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[–]Kimbernator 323ポイント324ポイント  (119子コメント)

To buy one that will match scorpio in 4k performance? Definitely not. Scorpio's certainly won't be running games at 4k AND 60 fps AND high-quality graphics. I'd say it's a "choose two" situation for a machine in that price range.

Get the AMD 480 if it lives up to what they say it will be and that's only $200. $600 for the rest of the components is totally doable:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $24.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $79.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $49.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $47.49 @ OutletPC
Case Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $47.99 @ Micro Center
Power Supply EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ NCIX US
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $83.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $624.22
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $584.22
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-13 21:09 EDT-0400

That has more RAM, a better-performing CPU (despite having fewer cores), and can do more than play games. Shoot, a lot of people have access to Windows for free through school so that's an extra $85 off.

[–]Vynlovanth 44ポイント45ポイント  (27子コメント)

In the case of Project Scorpio, I see it as choose one - 4K in this case. Until Microsoft proves otherwise anyway. A custom built PC can choose 2, maybe 3 depending on the exact deal and assuming you don't need peripherals.

[–]ColonelError 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even without the AMD 480, the Nvidia 1070 should be just fine for 4K if you don't mind turning down from Ultra graphics to high, and the 980's should be plummeting in price soon with the 1080's outperforming them in almost all situations.

[–]CoconutMochi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure even the GTX 1080 can't manage 4k 60 FPS on Witcher 3 on medium settings

[–]HubbaMaBubba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 480 should be just as powerful as a 980 and draw much less power while continuing to get decent driver support. There's no reason to buy a 980.

[–]a_vasquez96 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you tell me the price range for an entry level 4K tv gaming PC?

[–]toomuchanko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 1070 actually appears to perform better than even the 980ti and Titan X in benchmarks. There should be no reason to buy any old high-end NVidia card unless they drop well below $400.

[–]Whiteout- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Keep in mind that Microsoft won't be paying anywhere close to retail prices for individual parts. I don't think that $600 is an unreasonable assumption for the price of the Scorpio.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They won't be, but that doesn't mean the savings are passed on to the consumer. If they are selling two consoles at the same time, they probably won't be in the same price class.

[–]GingerUp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

damn this a great cheap build

[–]mopecore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lawyerred

[–]evothedream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been wanting to build a pc. I play league of legends of my laptop at 40 fps. Getting tired of that shit, thank you for this build! Gonna look into it!

[–]MustardBoy112 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nice build. So it'd be the 584 plus the GPU?

[–]dylan_the_wizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, so another $200-400 depending on what you get

[–]markyymark13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 480 only clocks 5.5 T-Flops and the GTX 1080 clocks 9 yet the 1080 can just manage to stay at 60 fps at 4K so I doubt that.

Plus you still need to buy a 4K TV, which is going to be more expensive than a 4K monitor. Maybe with the exception you go for low end brands like insignia or the like.

[–]Tangobo3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it really this cheap to build a pc? My laptop isn't cutting it anymore because it heats up so much, laptop keyboards are hard to use because they are fixed with the screen, and I have a shitty CPU. (I get like 80-100 fps on csgo with 4 GB video card and 16GB ram on low settings)

Are there any extra costs missing from this?

[–]De_Facto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The monitor... If you want a 4K monitor you're going to be adding an extra 400 to that.

[–]BubblingMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well running 4k doesn't mean a damn thing for games that aren't developed with that fine quality. Unless games don't follow the same suit.

[–]Velrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The RX 480 is a 1080p/144fps card maybe 1440p/60fps max. You won't ever get 4k @ more than 30fps.

[–]Hamilton__Mafia -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not 30fps

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's likely going to be at least comparable to Scorpio, unless they pull off a pricing miracle.

[–]DonnyChi 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

To buy one that will match scorpio in 4k performance?

'cause you know, we have exactly an idea as to what the consoles' actual 4K performance will be like.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

We can make some reasonable speculations on it based on what they said. And considering the fact that modern consoles now run on a PC-like architecture, the hardware more comparable to PCs than previous-gen consoles would be.

[–]DonnyChi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They said nothing but "Real 4K gaming" and "6 TFLOPS of performance" that honestly means nothing.

[–]theknyte 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Xbox doesn't even have a full fledged OS, so you could get put Steam OS on there, and be about on par.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, but why would you? I mean, if you are hell-bound on feature parity with consoles, yes, but you aren't limited to that with a PC.

[–]theknyte 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not saying its a great idea, just pointing out that your equivalent build is far superior, including OS.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, I didn't mean to sound contrarian. That was aimed at people reading these comments, not you.

And thank you for the kind words!

[–]Grayko 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

And here I am with my $800 i5 4460, GTX 960, 8GB DDR3 memory from last year crying.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey, well the 480 might be a good upgrade if it lives up the the hype. And it won't be too painful at $200.

[–]Grayko 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for the support. But as a PS4/PC gamer with all the amazing new games that just got announced, and being 15....probably gonna wait a few years. Only have one 1080p screen anyway. Really don't need anymore horsepower for games and school, atleast not yet. I just WANT said horsepower.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Damn, I only dreamed of a setup like yours when I was 15. Do yourself a favor and keep an eye out for another 1080p monitor at a low price. I see them on Slickdeals for $50 sometimes! Two monitors is really great for all of the other stuff you use a computer for. It doesn't do much for gaming.

[–]Grayko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A summer job helps. I had an old VGA monitor that my dad had at one point in time hooked up as well, but I took it down. I like two monitors for somethings, but I don't do enough to justify the desk space. Would much rather use that for the $1000 boombox I found in the basement from the 1990s that works with a $2 digital to analog adapter.

[–]xixspiderxix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is my exact pc. Went with 800w evga ps. And 970

[–]drakecherry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i don't understand the 8 cores thing? why would it need that many?

[–]Kimbernator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's possible that they actually optimize games to use them, but I'm jaded and cynical and think they probably did it because they source their CPUs from AMD and their 8-cores are cheaper than intel's quad-core and they can tell the average consumer that it has 8 cores, which sounds better than 4.

[–]Austin_the_OK 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You forgot about the WinRAR license.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shoot. Add $35. Apologies, everyone.

[–]hotterthanahandjob 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ughhh this is probably a stupid question... Do I have to buy a monitor or can I just run it through my TV?

[–]Kimbernator 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can absolutely run it through a TV! I wouldn't consider it ideal, but I know people that do it and are very happy with it. Keep an eye on places like slickdeals.net - I sometimes see ~20 inch 1080p monitors drop to prices as low as $50.

[–]hotterthanahandjob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna build a pc. Should take about a month to get my rainy day fund to $1000, but I have your post saved for when the time comes. Thanks!

[–]Sixoul 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like some of those parts are over priced and could easily be bought cheaper.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I slapped the list together in about 5 minutes. If anyone is considering making a purchase like this, please do a little more research and run your parts through /r/buildapc for more guidance.

[–]ShrikeGFX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In theory, the console games are much better optimized and you get a lot better visuals out of your hardware however. Still if you don't have a PC yet, a PC is obviously always the better choice

[–]Freddit- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd be flabbergasted if they can't pull off true 4k res at 60 FPS in a $600 console by the end of 2017.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be a feat, for sure. 4k output itself isn't that taxing, but yeah games likely won't be running at impressive framerates or graphical fidelity.

[–]Jogue 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for this. I've been thinking of coming back to the world of Windows and building a PC.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not as much of an expert as I was a couple years ago, but if you ever want advice or anything, I'll do my best to respond to PMs. At the very least I can push you in the right direction or get you to someone who is an expert.

[–]electrik_wizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To buy one that will match scorpio in 4k performance? Definitely not. Scorpio's certainly won't be running games at 4k AND 60 fps AND high-quality graphics. I'd say it's a "choose two" situation for a machine in that price range.

Have you tried 4k gaming? It's not going to be choose two, it will be choose one. You can take a 980 and the witcher, turn everything to low but set the resolution to 2160p, and it will still run like shit. 4k at 60 frames won't happen at $800 right now or even in the next year.

[–]ToughBabies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Running 4K games on a PC is way different than running them on a dedicated gaming device. Just yesterday people said a console wouldn't run 4k games in the foreseeable future and now we have a project Scorpio. I think come next fall, people will be surprised at how well 4k games run on Xbox.

[–]PlsNoCreterinos 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's still a year and a half away. If the 480 can deliver anywhere close to what it's meant to and at that price point, you have to image that the chip they make for Scorpio will easily meet 6GFlops at a competitive price by late 2017.

I really don't think that the console will be too far from a $500-599 price point.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be the minimum, purely for the sake of having it and the One S not compete on price.

[–]Kyerio 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

dumb question but what would be a good 4k monitor? EDIT: Reasonable Price

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that's the million dollar question for a lot of people! They are fluctuating in price and quality so drastically these days that you need to keep an ear to the ground. I am personally a fan of larger form-factor monitors for 4k, simply because I don't want to use scaling in windows. So I haggled a guy on Craigslist down to $340 on a 40-inch 4k monitor from a Korean brand called AMH. New, you're looking at $500 minimum. If you're okay with a 28-inch model (ostensibly the most common size for 4k), I have found korean brand models for $200.

This testimony may not apply if you have more disposable income than me and are willing to purchase a brand-name monitor for >$600. In that case, I am not a useful source of information.

[–]ironik86 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not the power supply I'd shoot for personally. Sure its cheap, but PSU is the one place you don't want to cheap out on.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I put the list together pretty quick. I wouldn't recommend blindly buying this without examining the parts.

I was mainly focused on choosing a reputable brand with sufficient wattage.

[–]ralre 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Drop the cpu cooler and save a little bit more. Stock heatsink/fan combo is sufficient. So theres an extra 100$ knocked off the price(windows 10 and cpu cooler removed)

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PcPartPicker yelled at me and said the CPU didn't come with a fan, so I added the best cheap aftermarket cooler ever. Also, it's really quite good at handling the extra heat produced by overclocking, so $25 for that seems worth it in my book.

[–]gex80 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Kinda need a video card on there. Otherwise the 584 is closer to 800-900

[–]inksday 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get the AMD 480 if it lives up to what they say it will be and that's only $200.

... they literally said ..... nevermind you probably didnt read it.

[–]billyjohn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said assuming the amd 480 lives up to its promises for $200. That was not included in the final tally. But he was basing the $800 off the amd 480

[–]MrWildspeaker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He mentioned it right before the table.

[–]sheephound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah his sentence before the price break down is to buy the AMD 480.

[–]Goggi-Bice 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

If you go with an AMD CPU you can get even lower in Price, but this is a very good build - it would be better in ANY way than the Scorpio.

[–]Kimbernator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

You'll get worse performance with AMD, though. It might match the core count, but that doesn't mean anything.

[–]Goggi-Bice 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah i know, i just wanted to keep the price even lower. As i said, great build.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a good point, though. Price definitely is a plus with AMD.

[–]underhunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No reason to downvote you, the fx 8xxx chips are poor performance at this point. Zen WILL turn this around.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I definitely hope so. Intel really needs some competition. I'm only speaking to the current gen.

[–]HubbaMaBubba 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The 6600k is a little bit of a waste in this build, a 6500 and H170/110 mobo would be perfectly fine.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm always a proponent of leaving room for overclocking. If we drop the K model, we can also drop the price of the motherboard to one that isn't capable of overclocking.

[–]HubbaMaBubba 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tried to say mobo, but I was corrected to novo by my phone.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, so we're on the same page!

[–]The_Velour_Captain 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Am I missing something? That price doesn't include a graphics card, and any graphics card worth its salt is going to burn out in 3 months on a 500 watt power supply.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I thought I might be a little unclear with that post when I made it - the statement above it is to buy the 480 for $200, then the rest of the components for $600 are listed below. I didn't find any listings for the 480 so I couldn't add it to the list.

Also, evga is a pretty respected PSU and the 480 only has a single 6-pin power connector, so 500W will be enough.

[–]Jadis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahh thanks for clarifying, I was scratchin' my noggin.

[–]HappyInNature -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

No solid state hard drive? :(

[–]tangclown 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not if you want to maximize gaming performance on a budget.

I would miss the SSD tho...

One could assume you can upgrade that like the PS4.

[–]413729220 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upgrading to an SSD is one of the biggest performance boosts a PC can get, IMO. You aren't even close to maximizing without one, IMO.

I think he overspent on a 1tb HDD when he could have just got a larger SSD by dropping the completely unnecessary aftermarket cooler (unless you are OCing you can use stock CPU cooler) and using that money for get an $80ish SSD

[–]Kimbernator -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm trying to be reasonable with price and parity. This at least matches everything Scorpio is planned to do, and does some things better. I agree that an SSD would be a very good addition.

[–]WrathOfMonkey713 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saving this cause i needed recommended parts to build a gaming pc that's decent priced and you're the first I've seen...unless you have other suggestions? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]Fostertheknow -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bahahahaha. Who buys Windows?? They inject it involuntary... 😂😂

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bought it OEM when I built my PC, but I got a few free keys when I was in school that I have kept for the future.

[–]whiskeybird123 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

fuck you PCMR people. You don't even have scorpio specs or prices and you're already circlejerking.

Where optical drive and controller?

[–]De_Facto 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can't build a 4K 60 FPS console for $800 it just couldn't happen. What they're saying makes sense, assuming it will be more than $800, people are better off just building a PC.

[–]whiskeybird123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We'll see what happens in a year or so, they still have some bets to make like HBM2 memory etc.

[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PCMR came a little after most of my involvement with Reddit's PC building community - I was involved with /r/buildapc a lot. I don't know if I've ever made a comment in PCMR, much less a submission.

We don't have specs, no. But I will be very surprised if Scorpio is much different than this based on what we've been told so far. Shoot, by the time it is released, the next gen of graphics cards will have come out and I'm sure the difference will be more noticeable.

Where is your GPU?

This was on the premise of an $800 price point, as implied by the comment I replied to, and I said the GPU was $200 and the rest of the parts at $600. Then I listed them.

Optical drive?

Totally unnecessary, but if you need it, slap another $20 on the price or pull an optical drive from an old computer. They are basically the same as they have been for years. I omitted this because I don't think they are needed anymore.

[–]deadmillicent -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or I could just get a ps4.5.

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[–]Kimbernator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually just sold my PS4 because I figured the price would drop when Sony announced their new iteration. That apparently isn't happening, but I may grab an Xbox One if the used prices drop.