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[–]spez[S,A] 1127ポイント1128ポイント  (483子コメント)

I'm not a fan of defaults in general. They made sense at the time, but we've outgrown them. They create a few problems, the most important of which is that new communities can't grow into popularity. They also assume a one-size-fits all editorial approach, and we can do better now.

[–]IranianGenius 847ポイント848ポイント  (101子コメント)

Then why not get rid of them? There are plenty of subreddits dedicated to finding new subreddits. I moderate default subreddits and I agree that getting rid of some subreddits being defaulted is a good idea.

This has been a problem for a long time.

Edit: There was a screenshot put out by an admin of something similar to what I'm about to say a year ago, but I can't find it. Basically, instead of defaults, a new user should be asked about their interests. They answer a few questions, and they are given a list of subreddits to choose from that are related to their interests. This would work far better than the current method.

Lists of subreddits can be found at /r/ListOfSubreddits. You can see that many MANY topics have been covered in depth there, and if you want a new list to be made, feel free to make a text post about it.

[–]peanutismint 43ポイント44ポイント  (14子コメント)

Wouldn't it be cool, as a newly-registering Redditor, to be faced with a quick page of random/popular topics where, when signing up, you can quickly click 5 subreddits that sound interesting to you and 5 that don't, and then Reddit will automatically pump those and other related ones into your feed as a 'jumping-off point' to get you started on topics/conversations that interest you?

[–]IranianGenius 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes! I'm trying to create something like this in /r/ListOfSubreddits but it has been a challenge.

[–]peanutismint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad other people are thinking the same thing! :-) Best of luck!

[–]binnes 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Perhaps a tagging system, where sub owners or maybe even any users can submit and upvote 2-4 popular tags identifying a subreddit.

For example, /r/leagueoflegends might have the tags "Games", "Esports", "Moba"

/r/spacex might be tagged "Science", "Space", "Technology"

Then when a new user signs up, they could pick a certain set of tags that interest them. Additionally, existing users could update their preferences at any time, and view subreddits by their tag at any time. Like an /r/all with only subs tagged as "Science" or "News".

Some discussion about how to avoid abuse of the system (mod power tripping, or users brigading for example) would need to be done, but that's my two cents.

[–]peanutismint 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I like this. Tagging would be awesome, because I've only really started to get the most out of Reddit after I started straying from the path (/r/gaming, /r/funny etc) and finding much smaller yet still active communities of people who like the same, slightly more esoteric things as me (/r/Sufjan, /r/hackintosh etc...)

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    [–]edman007 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    And what does the unregistered user see? Ultimately, that's the big question, replacing the front page with a signup form and questionnaire is simply not right for reddit. I think a new user should see the same as the unregistered user (to simplify the process), and then it becomes a question of what the unregistered user sees, is it all default subreddits, all popular subreddits, just total site wite popular threads? Mix in some small subreddits?

    [–]Jim-Samtanko 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    And what does the unregistered user see?

    An assortment of highly upvoted posts of the day from non-quarantined subreddits. What's hard to do about that? Reddit doesn't even need one single front page. It should be randomized on every refresh, drawing from the "best" threads of the day. Want that randomization to go away? Make an account and sub.

    [–]AlexFromOmaha 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If they're improving the /r/all front page formula, why not /r/all with the NSFW filter on?

    What's being proposed isn't all that novel. It's the setup used by places like Twitter, Medium, and Quora. Works well enough.

    [–]Less3r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pretty sure Tumblr does this. I don't believe there's any default Tumblrs, perhaps their official one. Instead they list stuff out by categories. Tumblr has, /u/binnes said, tags or categories.

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      [–]Busangod 118ポイント119ポイント  (17子コメント)

      Shit takes time. This poor bastard has a million fickle people to make happy.

      [–]IranianGenius 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

      It's been a while since that post was made. They've had tons of time to think about it.

      [–]Risley 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Well at least we see that /u/spez doesnt like how the default system is working here. Given the attention the /r/news shitshow has caused, I'd be willing to be that we see some things change. Hopefully the sooner the better.

      [–]IranianGenius 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I thought that would change back during the /r/politics or /r/technology or /r/atheism drama...

      [–]wolfman1911 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I haven't heard about any of that, might I trouble you for a summary?

      [–]IranianGenius 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      atheism

      politics

      technology

      Keep in mind you can find more info on any of these if you look yourself. None of these subreddits are currently defaults.

      [–]BigSwedenMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Just because that post was made 11 months ago doesn't mean that's when they decided it was necessary to do something else. Reddit has undergone a lot of internal changes lately, they've got other shit on their plate. Before recent events it wasn't exactly a big problem.

      EDIT: Let me rephrase. I'm not saying it wasn't a problem back then, but it wasn't as big of a problem. It's a growing problem, but one that they've been able to band-aid in the past. None of those subs you mentioned are default anymore. As a company they have many problems. It's stupid to think that we know what their priorities should be, because many of those problems aren't even visible to us. If you've ever worked on a project before, you know that you can't work on the entire thing at once. You can plan for it, but you have to finish one task before you can start another. You can't expect them to make all the changes you want when you want them. They have limited resources, it's just not feasible.

      And even beyond all of that, I far too frequently see people on here underestimate how much work is involved with software development. From planning to implementation, this shit takes time. You have no idea how they're planning to address it, and I'm guessing you'd underestimate the work required if you did

      [–]HeywoodUCuddlemee 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Too busy monetising AMAs.

      His response is horse shit. He's pandering, offered no solution and is only saying "I don't like them". That's not what you expect from the CEO.

      [–]SgtSlaughterEX 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The Amas have been sucking lately unless whomever is doing it actually cares.

      The Key and Peele Ama was fantastic but everything else has felt like shameless promotion with no substance.

      [–]munk_e_man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jerry Seinfeld was decent also, but I assume both of those were organized by PR teams on the fly or the guys are competent enough to do it themselves.

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        [–]Busangod 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Your top priority might not be their top priority. Your understanding of tons of time might not be their understanding of tons of time. It's awesome that you voiced your opinion and i'm 100% in agreement with you, but it's not very genius-like of you to expect anything on a site this big to be done in the timeframe of your choosing.

        [–]PicturElements 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of removing a few lines of code somewhere in the source or something. It can't be that difficult, and besides, it's just a subreddit. It's nothing huge.

        [–]Travixus 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

        How are you a moderator of 80+ subreddits including defaults? How do you possibly moderate all of them effectively?

        [–]IranianGenius 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I created a ton of them. I use /r/toolbox, RES, and other reddit enhancements to make moderation faster. I check modmail regularly. Most of them have strong teams so moderation doesn't only fall on my shoulders. I am adequate with automoderator and I have implemented it in subs amounting to well over a million subscribers, and I have created the wiki pages for many of these subreddits, even some of the very large ones.

        I used to comment a ton (see 2m+ karma), and now I moderate a ton. It's hard work, and I'm not the best, but I try my best.

        [–]verdatum 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If you just straight up get rid of the concept of defaults, then you are left with new users only having access to /r/all. It is just wrong to make new users deal with that until other issues can be fixed to make horrible stuff not constantly float to the top.

        Preventing linked non-moderator stickies is a big part of this. /r/the_donald was using this technique to direct people to know what post to upvote to make it more "hot". And I don't exactly blame them; they figured out an effective exploit that wasn't exactly against the rules, so they used it.

        [–]IranianGenius 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think you saw my comment before the edit. I agree with what you said.

        [–]Krelkal 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I moderate default subreddits

        Heh, that's an understatement. You currently moderate maybe a dozen defaults and a lot of the most popular non-defaults. Your opinion definitely carries weight.

        [–]IranianGenius 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I only moderate 4 defaults; that is the maximum. Two others want me on their teams, but I can't. If I were on their teams, I would probably be at my critical capacity of subreddits I could handle lol...

        [–]Krelkal 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Haha you're right, I pulled a number out of my ass because I didn't remember which of the subreddits on your modlist are actually defaults. It's been awhile...

        Regardless, you clearly have a lot more experience than the vast majority of Reddit.

        [–]IranianGenius 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes, but it is important to remember that the users have a different perspective, so their voices are important too. Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

        [–]DrSoaryn 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Even if they'd like to, it does take time to make these things happen. They still need a way to get new users properly introduced to the site, and coming up with a solution and then putting that into code, bug testing it, and releasing it to users, will take time.

        [–]PM_ME_YOUR_LENNIES 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Honestly it would be interesting to see a larger list of "defaults" that'll get assigned to people after a short survey when they sign up.

        [–]Awesomeade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I really like the idea of getting rid of defaults, but would like to see an alternative to /r/all that has a different weighting system for what gets to the top. Something to promote a more diverse set of subs, like taking into account vote totals relative to the sub in question, or relative to subscriber/active-user counts.

        As an example, if a small sub typically sees posts that rarely go higher than 200 suddenly gets one that rises to 1000+, it'd be cool if it were weighted more heavily relative to the typical 2000's on /r/pics or /r/funny.

        It'd bring some variety to the front page so it weren't 50% /r/the_donald all the time, and it'd help facilitate discovery because it wouldn't be limited to a grouping of defaults or subs you already knew about and subscribed to.

        [–]longshot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think the reason they won't just get rid of them immediately is because they need other things in place so when users come to the site it doesn't appear empty (due to not being subscribed to anything). Maybe they need to pipe users through a "select your interests/default subs" workflow when signing up. Maybe they have other ideas in mind.

        Just speculating, but it's pretty easy to see why they haven't gotten rid of them yet, that other stuff obviously doesn't exist yet.

        [–]Loueloui 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I respectfully disagree. This sounds like a good idea for established users, who know the site well. However, this assumes that all users are registered. Where do we send casual and/or unregistered users, a blank page or a signup form? Please don't make reddit like pinterest.

        I could see this as discouraging variety and discovery as well. If you have all of your bases covered by the defaults, this would disincline you to seek out other subreddits.

        [–]SexySexyLittleForks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm 39. I had no idea how to navigate Reddit when I signed up this year. Had I been asked to decide my subs on login there are so many great subjects I would have missed out on that I think younger people consider redundant. It's nice to be told what's popular or intersting so that I can make up my own mind.

        Shit. I can't believe I just wrote that I want to be spoon fed my online culture. Fukit. I'm old.

        [–]mav194 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I agree but let's pretend you are reddit. A new user comes to reddit, for the first time ever. What subs should be shown, to give greatest potential for this user to stay and browse, and further, even want to come back again? That's why you NEED defaults, unfortunately. Asking them about their interests won't work, as people are lazy and don't want to spend any amount of time being asked questions upon our first visit. Plus, reddit is difficult to understand for even experienced users. Newbies will have no idea how to customize, or that you even can from the first several visits.

        [–]TheMoves 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The only issue I see with this is that there would have to be some solution for lurkers/people without accounts/people stumbling upon the site so they don't have to go through that every time (lots of people don't allow cookies too). I can't think of a solution to that other than having /r/all be the front page for users like that or have some sort of defaults, maybe rotating weekly?

        [–]Destro168 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's a change to the core structure and overall functioning of the website as a whole. Can you imagine the amount of work and risk involved in making that change? I can't.

        It's doable. For sure. But, I don't think it's a change that can be simplified into a quick and easy remedy for something that is arguably not even a problem in the first place.

        [–]jax1492 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It makes it easy for new people to reddit to start using the side, when i started using it i had no idea about other sub reddits over time i found more and subscribe to ones i like, but there is just to many for the average person who just wants to see some cat pics and funny memes to find.

        [–]your_mind_aches 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Because the subreddits dedicated to finding new subreddits could be biased just as same as defaults especially if they become the primary hub for new Redditors.

        Either way new people to Reddit will want to subscribe to things like /r/news, etc. without knowing the issues.

        [–]IranianGenius 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        But if there's more than 50 total subreddits that users are shown initially, and if the admins choose which are shown just like they choose the defaults, it would be better than what we currently have. Maybe the admins are waiting for an even better fix.

        [–]your_mind_aches 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Most likely /r/news will still get most of the subscribers anyway.

        Either way I think default subreddits could be important to Reddit financially. There are a lot of people who don't even know anything outside the defaults.

        [–]unknown_name 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Great idea. I'm all for just rotating all subs with say a minimum amount of subscribers, non-NSFW of course. This will get so many small subs exposure.

        Because lets face it, unless you know someone your small subreddit will never make it into a defaults sidebar.

        [–]IranianGenius 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Depends on the default and depends on your sub, in my experience.

        [–]Abnorc 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Reddit could have a feature that assists new users in searching for subs, kind of like other services such as instagram or pinterest. That would give new reddit users a better experience, because the default subs are honestly not the best that reddit has to offer.

        [–]BigSwedenMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Because you don't just throw a system away before you have a replacement ready. That's not how it works. It sounds like they're working on something else, but that doesn't mean that they're just going to make the default home page r/all

        [–]itonlygetsworse 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Do you really think he's has the power to just "remove" default subs?

        Default subs acts as a way to market the "best and worst" of Reddit to a new user to keep them coming back. Even when it includes niche stuff like 2X.

        [–]litewo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Then why not get rid of them?

        They're not ready to make /r/all the public face of Reddit. Defaults were useful in curating a kinder, friendlier Reddit for newcomers and the media.

        [–]audible_dog_fart 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Then why not get rid of them?

        Because with default subreddits comes default subreddit traffic, which the reddit board can use when monetizing reddit advertising opportunities.

        [–]I____beforeitwascool 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Great idea. Make it so.

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          [–]cahman 189ポイント190ポイント  (9子コメント)

          But removing defaults is only one part of the problem - super mods continue to plague all communities, especially when one specific group takes over multiple subreddits and pushes their agenda. Super-moderators and allowing mods to pretend to be unbiased (when they try to create a narrative) need to end.

          [–]Omnimark 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          What's the solution? Who decides which mods stay and which ones go?

          [–]biznatch11 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Make a limit so a user can only mod X number of subreddits with over Y number of subscribers (ie. if you want to mod a ton of tiny subreddits it's fine but you shouldn't be able to mod 50 subreddits with over 50,000 users each, or whatever). For current mods over the limits there'd be a grace period during which they'd have to decide which subreddits they want to continue to mod and from which they will resign as mods. As for making multiple accounts simply to mod more subreddits, the admins would have to deal with that using IP addresses or whatever they already use to identify people who try to avoid bans by making new accounts.

          [–]itsthevoiceman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Get rid of the pundits after a period of time. Almost make it where users CANNOT be mods of any subreddit without at least a 6 month old account (unless that person being modded is someone that has direct influence over a very specific subreddit, like /r/cynicalbritofficial for instance).

          Voting is always an option for keeping in previous mods, but do it per the subreddit, and keep polls open for a while. Other ideas I'm sure exist.

          [–]jax1492 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          cough /r/atheism cough

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            [–]CaptainCummings 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You have a lot of people asking for removal of news as a default and I personally feel the same with regard to default subs in general. I started looking around for a /r/news alternative and ended up modding one of said alternatives. I don't really know what to say or how to say it now without sounding like a shill, but all I really wanted was to come to reddit, check the news, and not have this shitshow... somehow that desire translated to me helping create and build one. Your first two trending subs for today are both alternatives to /r/news because of the actions taken yesterday by /r/news mods. At what point here are you saying officially "We want our link aggregate site to have only one sub for each topic" when you won't even consider the removal of /r/news despite their record subscriber hemorrhaging and the drive to find unbiased reporting causes multiple related subs to go trending.

            I guess I'm just curious how promulgation of one central news subreddit affects your bottom line, if at all. I have trouble seeing how this works for you, in the third person sense as an organization, or you specifically, as a person of principle.

            [–]djtemporary 330ポイント331ポイント  (23子コメント)

            Please remove it. There has to be something better. Reddit used to be THE place to go to for breaking news.

            r/rupaulsdragrace had better info then r/news.

            Reddit made big decisions when it took r/atheism off the default list. Make another big decision.

            [–]tedsmitts 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

            To be fair, /r/rupaulsdragrace always has the T, Henny.

            [–]ParlorSoldier 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

            From the desert to the sea.

            [–]rita_ho 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

            To where ever there is Tea!

            Sorry, I had to finish it. Reddit Drag Racers are everywhere :D

            [–]ParlorSoldier 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm so relieved all of our performing girls are accounted for. RIP Eddie. What a terrible loss of life.

            [–]rita_ho 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            An absolute tragedy and a poignant reminder that while we have won some battles, we still have a long way to go in terms of equality.

            For what it's worth though, there is some nonsense that goes on in /r/rupaulsdragrace. However, it pales in comparison to what happened on /r/news. Despite the drama we see on the sub, it was nice to see the community uniting together and the mods allowing the free discussion between users.

            [–]MauiWanderer 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

            the fact is /r/news has been a problem for a long time now, it just took one mod losing his shit to put the issue at the forefront

            [–]Omnimark 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Serious question, what is better? I use /r/news a lot, but would leave in a heartbeat for a better news sub.

            And anything is better than worldnews. I have no idea why that sub in particular attracts so many hateful malcontents but there is no discussion of value there.

            [–]elbtg 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Reddit used to be THE place to go to for breaking news.

            What? No way! It's never been good for breaking news. I've been here since 2006 and it HAS NEVER BEEN a great source of breaking news. EVER!

            It's a laggy source, ALWAYS lagging behind fast-breaking news sources and even cable television channels.

            That's because, by default, it takes at least 15-20 minutes for even a massively popular topic to get front paged, and that's the fastest. Usually it takes hours or longer!

            In the mean time, actually fast-breaking news aggregators have dozens of new sources before Reddit shows anything in the top 100!

            When you say things like this, you're demonstrating how little diversity in news you consume because nobody who actually follows breaking news uses reddit for breaking news!

            [–]NominalCaboose 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Reddit is by definition not the place for breaking news. Some place always has to have the news before redditors can post it here. It's only the place for breaking news for people who spend all of their time on reddit and only look for news on here. However, this is a large amount of people, for better or worse I don't know.

            [–]danileigh 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I think the problem is that it IS the place for discussing said news and /r/news was seriously impeding any discussion.

            [–]itonlygetsworse 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You realize that when they took atheism off default they made a bunch of niche subs default right?

            Their "big decisions" led to this exact issue. Removing defaults as a whole would be more like admitting they made a mistake.

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              [–]PyourIdiology 175ポイント176ポイント  (32子コメント)

              So will we have like a tumblr-style 'pick your interests' when you first sign up?

              [–]Fabianzzz 68ポイント69ポイント  (16子コメント)

              That could be really nice.

              [–]PunjiStyx 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I really think that this is a bad idea. I got into reddit by lurking because I had relevant subreddits forced upon me, then i expanded. I still have no idea who i should add should i choose to use tumblr

              [–]swissarm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yup, the beauty of Reddit is its simplicity. Just type in reddit.com and you're good to go.

              [–]Hibernica 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Tumblr is a little different because it's largely individuals you choose to follow (as far as I can tell), whereas here on Reddit it's communities of people. That makes it a little more straightforward to find like minded groups.

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                [–]itonlygetsworse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There are way better ways of introducing reddit than default subs. Something inbetween would work best.

                [–]johnfrankie 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Have r/all as your front page until you specify your own.

                [–]g0atmeal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                He just said he wasn't a fan, not that current plans are underway.

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                  [–]Silly_Balls 59ポイント60ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Then get rid of them. Come on you know the defaults had you by the balls in the blackout 2015. The only reason was because of the size. You just had 19 people cause all this drama. How much money and goodwill did you guys waste today just dealing with this mess of crap?

                  You are admitting you can do better. This leaves no excuse for not doing better. You are the leader, lead. You see the issue.... Fix it!

                  [–]Agent4nderson 66ポイント67ポイント  (57子コメント)

                  What do you put on the home page of someone who's not logged in the? Just /r/all?

                  [–]StezzerLolz 65ポイント66ポイント  (47子コメント)

                  Dear god please no. I'd rather the site not turn into /r/The_Donald.

                  [–]TheSystem_IsDown 31ポイント32ポイント  (40子コメント)

                  I'm not a fan of the Donald, but if that's what the community votes to the top, I don't want to censor it from /all. It's only a problem until November either way.

                  [–]xereeto 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  I don't think any political subreddit should have a place in the default reddit frontpage.

                  [–]wolfman1911 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  r/new isn't supposed to be a political subreddit. I'm right there with you though.

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                    [–]RhynoD 31ポイント32ポイント  (22子コメント)

                    But is it really a sign of the community voting to the top? Or a small, very vocal subsection of the community manipulating the system to drive their voice to the top?

                    [–]Aelo-Z 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    It is absolutely a very vocal community. 100%

                    [–]80Eight 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Does the rest of the community not have downvote buttons?! If people actually cares about the front page of /all then the 5K + upvotes Donald posts would never stay there.

                    [–]NotNolan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    How is this not the case for any post on r/all? They all get there by amassing upvotes from within their community first. The "block" feature is plenty for you to avoid posts from The_Donald if that's what you want to do. Why are additional rules needed to stop others from seeing The_Donald posts? Why are you so deathly afraid of contrary opinions?

                    [–]RhynoD -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    There's a difference between upvoting something you genuinely enjoy and would like to bring others' attention to, and upvoting something for the purpose of forcing an unwanted opinion to the front page.

                    In any case, who said I was afraid of it? Did I call for any moderation of r/the_donald by Reddit admin, or ask for their posts to be censored? No I did not. Why are you so afraid of contrary opinions that you create them out of thin air?

                    [–]NotNolan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That doesn't make sense. I'm not afraid of words. I want everyone to have the same chance to hit r/all and I want everyone to have the same ability to block any forum they want. These new rules are clearly directed at punishing The_Donald for exposing this ridiculous censorship. We wouldn't be having this conversation if not for The_Donald. And yet we are the ones being punished. It's comical.

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                      [–]Starsy_02 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      I don't know how /r/all works, but wouldn't it be less "the community votes to the top" and more the community in that subreddit is very loose with their upvotes? I've never been there, but my best guess would be that the users upvote everything

                      [–]mmarkklar 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      But then that leaves the front page even more open to vote manipulation. An organization who wants to force something to the front page just needs to create their own subreddit, and have a few thousand bot/shill accounts vote it to /r/all. At least with the default system, there are moderators in those subreddits who can delete promotional posts.

                      Reddit without moderation would just become a mess that people would abandon in droves.

                      [–]I_Am_JesusChrist_AMA 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Anyone that tried to do that would be banned very quickly. It's pretty easy to spot vote manipulation to that degree... especially if they're creating a new subreddit to do it.

                      [–]mmarkklar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But they would likely seed the subreddit with posts, similar to what they do with shill users both on reddit and other social media sites. They'll pay people in Romania a couple dollars an hour to sit at a computer and populate fake accounts with opinions on various topics to make them seem legit. It wouldn't be that hard to make a subreddit like that too.

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                        [–]Captcha_Code -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        They just said they're going to be changing the algorithm in /r/all to be more diverse. I hope that's pretty much a direct reference to how /r/The_Donald tends to take over /r/all with how heavily their posts tend to get upvoted. So I'm hoping to see less of that in /r/all.

                        [–]Tom_Brett 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That's where I got my news yesterday. It made it interesting actually.

                        [–]MasterOfEconomics 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Seriously. This is so incredibly annoying. I still don't know if it's trolling or legitimate beliefs.

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                          [–]einstyle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You could give people a grid of interests to choose from and then make suggestions for subs from their choices. Or even just open up with a search bar and a few bullet points for suggestions to search for ("Try searching for your favorite TV show, book, or video game").

                          [–]Gravelord-_Nito 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Not a good idea. You have to let people discover the disgusting underbellies of this website on their own, any reasonable human being that opens reddit for the first time and sees it filled with childish shitposts from /r/the_donald would quite understandably assume the worst.

                          [–]mil0tic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I like the Netflix-esque idea someone posted in /r/showerthoughts a while back.

                          edit: autocorrect

                          [–]thought0 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Open an incognito window and go to reddit.com. That's the front page of reddit. Clicking the button called "front" takes you there. When you make an account you get the ability to customize the front page to better suit you. For some confused reason people from r/the_donald think r/all is "the front page". Apparently they've never noticed the button next to all that says "front". You'd think it'd be pretty self evident which is which.

                          [–]jaksalad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          it's currently the "default subscribed reddits" but IIRC funny, videos, askreddit, pics get a higher bonus so stuff from nosleep and the less "normal" subs appears only starting only on the later pages.

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                            [–]kakaesque 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I think the very root cause of a lot of what happened wasn't the defaults, wasn't #Orlando and wasn't /r/news.

                            The root cause was that because of the way /r/all works, it's now very difficult to agree to disagree and walk away. That goes for admins, mods and users. Each felt there was too much at stake, because /r/all makes it extremely difficult to ignore disagreement. It's literally in your face for almost all redditors. Consequentially, all the various communities and many of their constituents over-reacted.

                            The best solution is to make /me/f/all available to all users, including non-gold redditors.
                            This will free people from being at the mercy of others they disagree with whenever they use /r/all.

                            The cost of doing it: /me/f/all would no longer be an incentive to buy gold.
                            The cost of not doing it: Redditors may feel increasingly alienated on /r/all and over-react or leave.

                            Which can you afford less?

                            PS: If you think you can fix this problem by tinkering with the /r/all algorithm or by moderation tweaks (=live/sticky posts; paying $$$ to beef up Community staff), good luck. You cannot moderate, police and filter reddit to please everybody. You can however give people the power to filter and moderate their own input. You'll be surprised: Allow people to moderate their own input, and you'll get a much more moderate output out of them. Try to do it for them because you think you know best what's good for them, and you will find out the hard way that you don't. In part, you already have.

                            [–]Zebba_Odirnapal 379ポイント380ポイント  (69子コメント)

                            Remove /r/news from the default subs.

                            It's a simple request. We're not asking you to fire Ellen Pao all over again. Just move /r/news to a place where the mods can push their agendas without dragging Reddit Inc's good name through the mud.

                            Maybe change their name, too. Calling it /r/news makes it sounds awfully official.

                            [–]CarrollQuigley 157ポイント158ポイント  (17子コメント)

                            They should also require default subreddits to have public moderation logs, with a link to the moderation log in the sidebar.

                            [–]Phyroxis 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Underrated comment. This would go a long way to exposing what, if any, agenda moderators may have.

                            [–]NeedAGoodUsername 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            The thing is, there are parts of the anti-mod crowd that will cherry pick what they want to see, and if they know which mod did it, will start harassing them.

                            [–]MostlyTolerable 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Agreed. For proof of this, just look through /r/undelete. Sure, there are always posts there that expose something that was improperly removed, but there are also plenty of posts that are removed for legitimate reasons. But the threads with the legitimate removals are always full of conspiracy theorists talking about mod abuse, and they are always highly rated comments. A lot of redditors are just itching to pick up their pitchforks and chase down some mods.

                            We have to remember that even though there are shitty mods, they are all volunteers, and they are totally necessary to the reddit format.

                            [–]gw2master 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Have each mod go by a pseudonym in the logs ("mod A, mod B...") so you don't know which mod it is exactly, but if there's abuse, you can report that "mod C from /r/XYZ is abusing power" so the admins can act.

                            [–]darkknightxda 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I feel like that if you look into it enough, you'll start to figure out who is who, and once you know that, we come back to our original problem

                            [–]biznatch11 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            What if you don't even differentiate between mod A and mod B but it just says mod for all mod actions, you'd never know if it was one or multiple mods doing things. I think that would keep things sufficiently anonymous.

                            [–]darkknightxda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think that might work better, but how do you stop people from cherry picking individual items that mods delete, and then spamming the message the moderators button with it?

                            The lives of mods are already so difficult, especially on a large sub, and having dozens of messages to sip through because users don't like how a mod acted just makes the job unbearably hard.

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                                [–]fec2245 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Where do you draw the line with names? Lots of other subs have names that sound official.

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                                  [–]hrg_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I think they are implying to create a new /r/news, and change the name of the current to something more along the lines of /r/censorednews

                                  [–]Deklaration 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  We're not asking you to fire Ellen Pao all over again.

                                  Don't "we" this.

                                  [–]Aelo-Z 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Exactly. Regardless of what mistakes were made here, and what could be better there, /r/news mods have proven that they are unable to undertake the responsibility of what we would all consider to be a "default" sub. We all witnessed that yesterday, no matter what words are weaved to say "mistakes were made", it should simply no longer be a default sub. This is the user base speaking here. Personal bias among moderators is rampant, even in other default subs. Its time for a change if this website is to continue being the "front page of the internet".

                                  [–]ElMandrake 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Ellen Pao did nothing wrong

                                  [–]Abeneezer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  He just said that the mods of /r/news never commited any censorship. Let me translate: "What they did besides telling people to kill themselves was perfectly fine". He is in bed with them and their censorship and will never single out /r/news from the default subs.

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                                    [–]MonkahBoy 109ポイント110ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                    Does this mean /r/all would soon become the frontpage for guests? Because I could totally get behind this, actually.

                                    [–]YESBIKE 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    That could be problematic for the same reason. Popular subs will stay popular. Furthermore, vote manipulation would become more dangerous. Most of the defaults have strict rule regarding this, while some other subreddits are more lax.

                                    Think about Saturday. More than half of the posts on /r/all were from /r/The_Donald. That was an extreme case, but if reddit wants to attract new users they cannot have one side dominate a discussion.

                                    One option is for new users to choose their own subreddits to follow from the start. However, this creates another problem, as admins would have to choose between forcing users to create an account or having some other form of front page for people not logged in. In the end it's a complex issue with no easy solution. I'm glad /u/spez wants to get rid of them, but it's going to take time and a lot of creativity for us to see a solution.

                                    [–]MonkahBoy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    It's not like this doesn't currently happen with the default subreddits. /r/politics is a default, and any content from there that ever hits the front-page is almost always pro-Sanders. Yet nobody complains about that.

                                    [–]DuhHelloo 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    that would put off most new people, too much too soon.

                                    [–]djtemporary 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Reddit used to sort of be like that, there was no r/all it was just r/reddit. And that was what people saw and could post to without necessarily finding the right sub. Right around when r/atheism was pulled from the main subs, things changed. Admittedly r/atheism was turning into a huge circle jerk, but it was still an important point of view, one that hooked me on reddit.

                                    [–]ShootTrumpIntoTheSun -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yeah, at least then reddit won't get to pretend it's not a shithole any more. I say make this happen, scare away new users with The_Donald's mangled corpses and slurs that get regularly upvoted to the top of /r/All.

                                    [–]ploize 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    like 75% of the top posts are usually from The_Donald or some other alt-right cheerleading squad. how would that be any better, if "non-biased" is the name of the game?

                                    [–]WonderKnight 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Maybe would be smart to filter the NSFW subreddits on the 'default' /all

                                    [–]B-Sod_The_Majestic 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    they would have to have a better way of letting you filter it than they do at present, Stuff sitting there trawling through /r/the_donald posts

                                    [–]DragonTamerMCT 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    Yes the perfect impression! 3/4ths the_donald

                                    [–]mcskeezy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    As long as they made made the NSFW filter on by default, this would be a great idea.

                                    [–]Darrius_McG 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Yeah but with the current algorithm all a first time visitor will see is a bunch of BS spewing from The_Donald, not a good first impression.

                                    [–]Rndmtrkpny 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I'd like this too. After I subbed to it, then subscribed to what I liked initially, I unsubbed from r/all. I check back in every now and then though. Its broadened my interests.

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                                      [–]DelWhenIDie 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      You've lost a ton of trust, now is not the time to save face, remove /r/news from the default subs.

                                      As a redditor and a gay person, I'm extremely taken back by the lack of support for unbiased reports in NEWS. I'm not saying everyone has to be a gay supporter, but I deserve to know about the happenings in my community IMMEDIATELY and not at 3PM while talking to a stranger!

                                      Mistakes were made, make it right.

                                      Also, the snoo icon change does not make a DAMN difference to me right now.

                                      edit: format & observation

                                      [–]JakoffSmirnov 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Nowhere in the post or any of /u/spez's replies does he even acknowledge that this was an attack that targeted gay people.

                                      It's just sickening to me that the "tragedy" that is being discussed so much is what happened to the poor /r/news community. The mods caused so much damage to the reputation of reddit and lost my trust completely. As an additional punch to the throat, a political subreddit for an anti-gay racist is where the news about the event was available.

                                      [–]Fivethousand18 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Spez is living in san fran where the gays are rich white oppressors and people that kill them based on the commandments of their iron age desert god are the oppressed.

                                      He cannot maintain his social connections if he faults the self-professed Islamic terrorist for his actions so he has to speak of "the event" in the most nebulous terms.

                                      [–]DelWhenIDie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Thank you for verbalizing this. It is the harsh reality that is the most abhorrent thing I've seen.

                                      In 2016 a mistake like this is not tolerable PERIOD. For reddit to continue support for this sub without making any real changes is insulting to say the least

                                      [–]KoNP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      This shit needs to be taken to a wider audience. Reddit's admins have been complacently smirking at the userbase for too long.

                                      I propose embarrassing them on twitter, for starters.

                                      [–]mechanoid_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      They are, however, an excellent catch-all. They collect the dross that forms 80% of reddit and prevent it poisoning the 20%. People find small subs that match their interests over time in a natural way. If we just dropped people into those small subs straight away without first making them run the festering gauntlet that is the defaults all hell would break loose. It filters out the lowest common denominator.

                                      Imagine a reddit without /r/adviceanimals... (actually don't, it's unbearable.) All that... crap ...would have to go somewhere. We saw the same thing with the banning of the hate subreddits, those degenerates were just spread around more, and given a cause to rally behind.

                                      I'm all for getting rid of the defaults, I hate them with a passion, but there needs to be a way of doing it that stops all the other subreddits contracting the same symptoms.

                                      [–]LeRedditMillenial 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      non poisoned reddit in current year? impossibru this is who are, unfortunately.

                                      [–]mechanoid_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      The smaller the communities the better the quality. Dig deep and reddit's pretty great. Most people aren't willing to do that and that's what protects these havens. I didn't actually find know any of this drama was happening until I clicked on one of the trending subreddits by mistake, I'm that insulated from it all.

                                      The fact is that reddit doesn't scale. It's not just reddit really, socially in general, the bigger the group the stupider the general behaviour. Crowds breed cretins if you like!

                                      [–]jcvynn 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Perhaps instead of defaults set up categories for sub reddit to fall under using tags like "entertainment", "news", "humor", etc and when users create a new account they can select relevant tags and get automatic subscriptions to both popular and trending subreddits relevant to their tag selection?

                                      [–]sarcasticorange 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I posted this earlier in another discussion, but I am curious what your thoughts are on the possibility of such a thing?

                                      This makes me wonder if there is not a potential for Reddit to improve and also improve their long sought after monetization. Why not allow news outlets to have their own subreddits to which people could subscribe so that basically the news feed for that news outlet would show up in your Reddit feed and charge the outlets for that privilege? I would actually like having the ability to create a multisub aggregator of the top news agencies within Reddit.

                                      [–]rafajafar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I don't have a problem with defaults. What I do have a problem with is default subreddits being run by people-who-aren't-reddit staff. That's not to say it's a solution if they were reddit staff, but at least it could allow for some moderation transparency which is the real problem I have. Homogeneous content policies and three-strike-rule capability could be nice, too.

                                      FYI, who cares what I think. I'm actually organizing my active subreddits to be taken over so I deactivate my reddit account. After 9 years, I'm done. But that has nothing to do with default subreddits.

                                      [–]hngysh 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Please don't make /r/all the front face of Reddit. The day /r/the_donald greets every new Reddit user is the day Reddit dies.

                                      [–]optimalg 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      I think the algorithm is being changed specifically so that single subreddits won't dominate /r/all anymore. Speculation, obviously, but it seems the most likely.

                                      [–]NotNolan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yes I'm sure the creators of Reddit longed for the day when certain opinions would be suppressed because other users disagreed with them.

                                      Why isn't it sufficient for users to have the ability to block entire forums from their view if that's what they choose to do? You're making decisions for them as if you're a parent. Why can't users decide for themselves to block The_Donald if they choose?

                                      [–]Meatslinger 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      The Donald had actual pertinent information regarding the Pulse shooting, and links to blood donation services, while an actual front-page default sub did not.

                                      Objectively speaking...

                                      [–]wolfman1911 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Sounds kinda like every sub did a better job than r/news of posting the news. I'm still waiting to hear about the porn subs.

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                                        [–]UndeadVette 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        But what would the alternative be? You can't dump new users into /r/all, that would be overwhelming. Maybe upon account creation, they can subscribe to a few subreddits and have new ones recommended to them based on their interests?

                                        [–]astronomyx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I think it would be interesting to have a "build a front page" type thing when you first sign up for an account. Rather than having a bunch of pre-selected defaults for lurkers without accounts, you could have a dynamic front page that shows top posts from various popular subreddits. Have something that says "Click here to create an account and customize your front page" or something to that affect, and then after signup, they could potentially tick some boxes that show their interests, and have an algorithm that suggests subreddits based on said interests, sorted by popularity.

                                        I've talked to people that didn't initially realize the sheer breadth of content that reddit has outside of the defaults, a discovery which changed the way they used the site in massive ways.

                                        [–]Conchoinfection 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        But censoring people and pigeon holing them into one or another category is progressive? I feel that anyone with a differing opinion is literally blacklisted from every subreddit. Hurt someones feelings, banned, post an unpopular opinion, downvoted and or banned. It's definitely not inviting. And then you have the flocks of redditors that literally bully people out of one group or another. I don't think we've grown up here at all, I think we've just bandwagoned on the "r/news or r/pol is for retards who don't have a brain" It's not reddit, it's the community which is the problem. Stop trying to remove peoples freedoms, policing the internet is something reddit goes against, so why are they so hypocritical?

                                        [–]I_GIVE_BAD_ADVICEm8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Largely the problem is the hands off approach to Subreddits, the default Subreddits represent Reddit. Unfortunately they're not ran by more neutral parties. The /r/News moderation team have the ability to skew the story however they want. Your goal is a community driven social media website, but making certain subreddits default is unfair towards other Subreddits. We've seen that proven now, how much damage did one moderator cause? The story was silenced, Reddit was in uproar and dead-threats were thrown around because of a moderator going rouge for an hour or two. No Subreddit should be default and Subreddits that relied on and possess such large subscriber counts, like /r/news, should be scrutinised.

                                        [–]NSAPartyVanMK2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        A suggestion: Upon new account creation, display a splash page that asks for the users interests. Based on those interests, display subs that may match their interests. Allow users to enter free text in addition to dropdown choices, and route the free text entries through your search system to show example posts. This way new users can custom tailor reddit from the beginning by exploring subs that might otherwise go unnoticed.

                                        This also has the added benefit of your company learning more about what kind of content new users are looking to use reddit for.

                                        [–]julianh2o 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        What if instead of one monolithic set of default subreddits, there were a few different groups of subreddits that people could elect to use as their starting subreddits.

                                        A logged out user could start on r/all and have groups like "entertainment" (r/pics, r/funny, r/jokes etc) and "newsandpolitics" (r/politics, r/news, etc) along the top that they could click on to filter. These could line up with the self-serve advertising groupings that are already defined.

                                        It might make the issue of whether or not something is a default sub less contentious.

                                        [–]danbuter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Remove both default subs and super-mods. PLEASE!

                                        I don't even like Trump, but his sub has more news in it than /r/news. In addition, many of the /r/news mods are also mods on DOZENS of other subs, and they are banning people in those subs for /r/news posts. How is this good for reddit?

                                        At some point, you guys are going to start losing users, probably over a short period of time, and you'll all be looking for new jobs. I like reddit, but you are repeating the same mistakes made by numerous websites that used to be very, very popular.

                                        [–]Rossoneri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        If you guys aren't looking to phase out defaults any time soon, have you considered hiring full time moderators? A handful of full time moderators could definitely do a better job than part time volunteers who have no incentive to behave appropriately. I know a big part about reddit is the fact you can get free moderators, but for flagship subs and to avoid embarrassing/detrimental situations like this (and the /r/technology fiasco), shelling out some salaries might be worthwhile.

                                        A small team of full time mods could definitely patrol the major subreddits, especially if you put them in somewhat supervisory roles with volunteer mods supporting.

                                        [–]Will_I_Will_be 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Do you have a plan for making a change to or removing defaults?

                                        [–]twootenjths 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I hope this doesn't get buried but in defense of default subreddits, it makes learning Reddit easier to newer users. It gives new users an idea how they can branch off their interests based on the default subreddits. I'm only speaking from personal experience, however if the default subreddits were removed and I didn't have a complete understanding of Reddit I would quickly lose interest in the site.

                                        [–]treacherous_tim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        When a new user creates an account, you need to have a bunch of options for the user to pick what they're interested in. Sports, entertainment, video games, etc..

                                        Then, pending on what they pick, they get their own, unique set of "default" subs. This way not all users are forced (for lack of a better word) onto default subs, and the user gets more appropriate subs for what they're interested in.

                                        [–]jared555 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        What about converting some of the 'good name communities' into a multireddit style system? The default could be 'news', 'politics', 'gaming' but that could actually reference 100+ communities each. Having some standardized multireddits would theoretically allow for caching them so the load from having so many on the front page wouldn't be too terrible.

                                        [–]BEEPBEEPIMINAJEEP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Is it possible to have a separate page for new users to, instead of having a default list of subscribed subs, be prompted to a categorical view of subreddits, perhaps based on popularity, trending or whatever..

                                        I've always thought this would be a better way to subject users to the vast variety of subreddits to subscribe to.

                                        [–]AidsFrodo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm glad you agree with this.

                                        Defaults I think have grown outdated and can be easily replaced by suggestions for new users, and perhaps /r/All for incognito users. Or, incognito users could receive the suggestions as well and tailor their own front page based on cookies rather than an account if they haven't created one yet.

                                        [–]CactusCustard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Is this a common opinion among your peers?

                                        [–]everm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Please remove all defaults. Make /r/all simply reflect all subreddits barring nsfw/nsfl/quarantined.

                                        Defaults are silly, they get inflated by new accounts being forced to sub to them and almost all defaults have a massive drop in quality since they're forced into /r/all.

                                        [–]fnordfnordfnordfnord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        There's no dressing it up, /r/news is horrible, has been horrible for a while, and Sunday ought to have been the last straw for them. Dumping some of those shite moderators and de-listing /r/news from default status would be a great step (pour encourager les autres).

                                        [–]Texas_Rockets 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        At the same time, a new user who has never been to Reddit and doesn't understand how anything works or any good subs is going to benefit tremendously from default subs. Maybe after a month or two default subs dissapear from a users dashboard unless they deliberately subscribe to them.

                                        [–]HowAboutShutUp -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Then get rid of them, and start with /r/news. You keep feeding us the same equivocation and platitudes over and over again, but shit like this keeps happening. When will we see results instead of attemps to placate the users that lack any real substance?

                                        [–]Tizaki 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Why not make it completely empty by default, have new users get virtuall redirected to /r/all with a notification that there's no subscriptions yet, and include a big fat "discover new subreddits" button somewhere to begin adding to their empty list?

                                        [–]yes_thats_right 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Can you make a commitment either for defaults or against them?

                                        I personally think that it is shameful that such a popular and important website is effectively run by a small group of power mods who clearly favor certain demographics and narratives.

                                        [–]aagarwal777 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I think the best approach would be to actually make the default subs section into the trending subs section. The Front- All- Random still remains but then at least we get to see new subs on top everyday that wouldst normally get recognition.

                                        [–]ClockOfTheLongNow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The admins rightfully removed /r/politics for less, and the issues here are not only more blatant, but have the type of influence that can actually change things for the worse, as we saw yesterday. Please prioritize this.

                                        [–]xNicolex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That's funny...cause you guys (that's the admins, not necessarily blaming you) ruined /r/Europe by making it a default sub which was against the wishes off the user-base and the moderaters...

                                        Now we're flooded with far-right brigades on a daily basis.

                                        Thanks for that :)

                                        [–]seb_fisher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is a non-answer. Will you remove /r/news specifically from the default subs or not? Obviously the end goal is to remove defaults subs altogether but in the meantime will you be removing /r/news from the default feed?

                                        [–]bagelofthefuture 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The issue I saw with this scenario was that the mods had a mentality that users should just go somewhere else if they didn't like the rules of the sub. This shouldn't be the case when the subreddit is one of the defaults.

                                        [–]johnnc2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You could always implement a "choose your interests" interface when you initially set up your account. That way, the "defaults" are customized to your interests and don't potentially isolate certain smaller subreddits.

                                        [–]The_Bard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Imo new users should be asked to subscribe to at least 10 subs of their choosing. Options of the most popular and a search should be offered. That way each user would have a custom experience from the beginning.

                                        [–]Pateirn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is a thoughtful response. Making subs default creates Lord Acton style power ramifications. It places too much power in the hands of a few when a better sorting algorithm would serve the same function.

                                        Are there /r/all algorithm changes coming?

                                        [–]throwy09 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is an answer that doesn't mean a thing. It's a very PC non-answer.

                                        The mods from /r/news fucked up too badly as a community for you to try to swipe this under the rug. Which is what you're doing.

                                        [–]Doctor_McKay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        That didn't really answer the comment. Is there a plan for something to replace defaults, or is it just going to remain "we don't like the concept of defaults" forever and nothing will change?

                                        [–]james2037 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        In the meantime, /r/news should be removed for their incompetent handling of this important issue.

                                        edit: Why the fuck am I at -1 on this post?

                                        [–]KarlOskar12 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        So you are going to remove it as a default sub or just going to dodge the question and do nothing about how horendously the mods handled it and how horendously the site admins stood idly by?

                                        [–]stillsuebrownmiller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Please get rid of them.

                                        If I were a little younger than I am, I'd play a drinking game in which I'd take a shot every time a top comment on a /r/TwoXChromosomes post was written by a man.

                                        [–]Vimda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's a simple, yes we will do that or not. This in no way pertains to the matter at hand. If you can do better then do it. Don't just talk about what might happen sometime in the future.

                                        [–]jwg529 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Then get rid of them. All you need is /r/all for people without accounts. Front Page is for users who subscribe to subs they have interests in.

                                        Defaults don't need to exist!

                                        [–]bionikspoon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm not a fan of defaults in general.

                                        This is like libertarians saying they're not for gay marriage.

                                        Back to reality: remove /r/news from default subs in the meantime.

                                        [–]jedieaston 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        So are you getting rid of them? I would like to see a system where when you get an account part of the signup process is picking 20 subreddits to populate your front page.

                                        [–]jayrandez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        A better solution would be similar to some long-form style sites, where new users are asked to indicate some of their interests in order to find some starter subs.

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