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[–]a_calder 508ポイント509ポイント  (41子コメント)

/u/spez, why has Reddit not put more effort into promoting /r/live posts? I find them much more useful than some mega-thread that is difficult to keep track of.

  • Can you make it easier for mods to link to /r/live threads?
  • Could you create a method for merging two live threads if they are the same subject (and the creators want to merge them)?

[–]spez[S,A] 235ポイント236ポイント  (34子コメント)

Agreed. We haven't invested in the technology in a while, but even in its current state, they're very useful for these big events, and I regret not promoting one in this case.

[–]mygrapefruit 106ポイント107ポイント  (18子コメント)

How about a sticky on /r/all when there's worldbreaking news like this?

edit: he just replied to similar question here

[–]whateverbuddy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you plan to invest in this area in the future?

[–]Metallics 2067ポイント2068ポイント  (152子コメント)

Remove r/news from default subs

[–]spez[S,A] 220ポイント221ポイント  (62子コメント)

I'm not a fan of defaults in general. They made sense at the time, but we've outgrown them. They create a few problems, the most important of which is that new communities can't grow into popularity. They also assume a one-size-fits all editorial approach, and we can do better now.

[–]IranianGenius 94ポイント95ポイント  (11子コメント)

Then why not get rid of them? There are plenty of subreddits dedicated to finding new subreddits. I moderate default subreddits and I agree that getting rid of some subreddits being defaulted is a good idea.

This has been a problem for a long time.

[–]Zebba_Odirnapal 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remove /r/news from the default subs.

It's a simple request. We're not asking you to fire Ellen Pao all over again. Just move /r/news to a place where the mods can push their agendas without dragging Reddit Inc's good name through the mud.

Maybe change their name, too. Calling it /r/news makes it sounds awfully official.

[–]cahman 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

But removing defaults is only one part of the problem - super mods continue to plague all communities, especially when one specific group takes over multiple subreddits and pushes their agenda. Super-moderators and allowing mods to pretend to be unbiased (when they try to create a narrative) need to end.

[–]MonkahBoy 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does this mean /r/all would soon become the frontpage for guests? Because I could totally get behind this, actually.

[–]djtemporary 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please remove it. There has to be something better. Reddit used to be THE place to go to for breaking news.

r/rupaulsdragrace had better info then r/news.

Reddit made big decisions when it took r/atheism off the default list. Make another big decision.

[–]Agent4nderson 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

What do you put on the home page of someone who's not logged in the? Just /r/all?

[–]PyourIdiology 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

So will we have like a tumblr-style 'pick your interests' when you first sign up?

[–]BlarpUM 331ポイント332ポイント  (37子コメント)

What's Reddit's policy on posting pictures of events like this as they're unfolding?

[–]spez[S,A] 177ポイント178ポイント  (32子コメント)

There's no policy against this beyond our existing Content Policy.

[–]Double_A7 219ポイント220ポイント  (25子コメント)

There should be a policy update for pictures of events that may harm individuals involved.

To prevent what that news station once did (When they gave away people's positions in france during the shooting)

[–]spez[S,A] 137ポイント138ポイント  (13子コメント)

We of course reserve our right to use our discretion in these situations. There will always be exceptional situations.

[–]BlatantConservative 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

Will there be a way to report these things to the admins and have that be quickly dealt with? During quick paced breaking news stories, there is way too much information for an entire mod team to be curating stuff like that, much less a few admins.

[–]rz2000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have specific advice for this issue. However, with regard to requests for tips about missing persons, it is good that it has been recognized that sometimes people don't want to be found, and that the requests can be made by people who wish them harm.

While a tragedy is unfolding, very timely access to information may save lives, so it is challenging to think of a perfect solution. Just as missing persons' tips are now forwarded through authorities as a general rule, there may be a sensible measure to get the life saving information out there without potentially causing more danger.

[–]duckiesuit 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are there any experienced journalists on the admin team to help maintain ethical and responsible dissemination of information during times of breaking news?

[–]supershaft25 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You would do well by purging the entire /r/news mod crew and restore some faith. Otherwise you guys are well on your way to digg.com

[–]ghostsnstufx 497ポイント498ポイント  (239子コメント)

Is there an official response from the /r/news mods? Do we know what was removed and WHY, or was it just everything?

[–]spez[S,A] 75ポイント76ポイント  (205子コメント)

Their response is here.

[–]CaptainDogeSparrow 291ポイント292ポイント  (158子コメント)

What do you have to say about one of /r/mods telling a user to "Kill yourself"?

[–]spez[S,A] 324ポイント325ポイント  (155子コメント)

It's totally inappropriate and that person is no longer a mod.

[–]Buelldozer 787ポイント788ポイント  (87子コメント)

C'mon, none of us here are stupid. That mod account was 4 months old, it was clearly someone's sock puppet and it's highly likely that person is another mod on the team. No account goes from new to moderator of a default sub (with almost no history) in 4 months.

This kind of crud threatens your business, the business of Reddit Inc, and you'd better start taking it more seriously.

[–]spez[S,A] 147ポイント148ポイント  (33子コメント)

My understanding is it was a new account from an old mod. His original account is also gone. He stepped down about a year ago when he got a new job, and returned a few months ago.

[–]Buelldozer 147ポイント148ポイント  (12子コメント)

I appreciate the reply but /u/suspicousspecialst was a sock puppet, alternate account, for /u/nickwashere09 and the mod post you reference directly says this. For grins check back once a week for the next 2 or 3 weeks and I'll bet the user reappears with a new name.

He's just a symptom of the real problem anyway; and that is you have unaccountable moderator teams in default subreddits. These default subs, and their moderator teams, are the face of Reddit, Inc. and they got you a whole boatload of bad press worldwide today.

How many more scandals like this are you willing to tolerate? This one wasn't the first and if you don't solve this it will eventually sink you.

[–]negajake 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

Will his IP be permabanned so he can't just return after everyone forgets about this? Even as a normal user that's generally not cool in most contexts, but as a mod of a default sub, that's just unacceptable.

Looks like he's already back: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4nsiw1/state_of_the_subreddit_and_the_orlando_shooting/d46nram

[–]HOEDY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is not how Reddit participation should work. There are thousands of dedicated volunteers on all parts of Reddit and some guy can just flip flop back and forth on his decision to moderate /r/news with brand new, unseasoned accounts. Subs like /r/news may be as important to information flow as the front page of sfgate.com and you're just completely ok with these people manipulating it to their will? It's not just some hobbyist sub with a few hundred users who can self-govern, there were nearly 9 MILLION subscribers before this started and you have to assume that every single one of them was fed misinformation and lied to because of these moderator habits.

[–]TheCheesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This probably could have been calmed down a lot sooner had a reddit admin stepped in the day of.

Either way, Thanks spez for being a face for Reddit to speak with today.

[–]JBHUTT09 176ポイント177ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are they really no longer a mod? Or have they just switched to a different account? The account was 4 months old and was a mod there for that same amount of time. It's obvious it was an alt account or a replacement account (more likely as they probably had to hide from something they did in the past, considering how they reacted in this situation).

Can we be sure this individual will never be a mod at /r/news again with any account?

[–]bluesatin 58ポイント59ポイント  (7子コメント)

Will they be banned from the site entirely?

And/or will they be able to continue moderating subreddits under other accounts?

If so, what's to stop them becoming a moderator for /r/news again?

EDIT: Rephrased my question to 3 separate ones to help clarify my questions and help with clarity of answering.

[–]realfinkployd 53ポイント54ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let's not play pretend. That account was a sock puppet for another mod and everyone knows it. Otherwise do you have an explanation for how a nobody account a couple months old suddenly moderates some default subs?

I'm assuming that person is still a mod on their main account and will just create another one to be salty when they feel like it.

[–]sammie287 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

He just made a new account, is there some way to prevent him from just being added as a mod again?

[–]ejbones27 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

My main question is why did the extreme censoring begin once news of being Muslim released? I understand you have an image to protect but if you are selling yourself as 'the front page of the internet' (which yesterday showed something entirely different) than how can a major motivating factor in a killers mindset, such as religion, not be important information for the front page?

Really what I'm asking...what bias are you going to continue to allow while ONLY doing something when an opposing opinion occur? You're changing the algorithm now that /r/The_Donald is consistently on the top because redditors flocked there for information. Now suddenly it's now okay for that subreddit to remain on the front page? Now...flashback 2 months ago when literally every other link was /r/Sandersforpresident...where was the algorithm changing there?

TBH /u/spez Reddit's Admin team has a clear motive for changing the algorithm as it only changes after a non-PC group gets to the top. So..as Admin...which people are protected classes of reddit? Right now being gay and not enjoying being murdered by Muslims seems to be something i can't say.

[–]photondeployment 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sending death threats is not. We will be taking action against users, moderators, posts, and communities that encourage such behavior.

Is the action the same across the board? I see little difference in telling someone to kill themselves verse threatening to kill them.

[–]Opendore 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you able to tell if they are a mod on a different account?

[–]Meltingteeth 111ポイント112ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are there any policies governing joint accounts, like /u/RNEWS_mod? It seems like an easy way to offset any accountability. For instance, if it was that account that behaved in the way that the now removed moderator did, how would the situation be rectified?

[–]not_a_throwaway23 90ポイント91ポイント  (1子コメント)

I saw this happen in real time. Their response is nonsense. Then they and their friends report brigaded the post I made to /r/undelete and had it removed automatically. The mods there put it back.

If you can't remove these abusive mods, then remove /r/news from the default list.

[–]bernredditdown 262ポイント263ポイント  (22子コメント)

That was a pretty terrible response.

Your own response is false too:

A few posts were removed incorrectly

They removed everything. Even blood donation information and condolences.

/r/news botched it, you guys botched it too.

[–]Jim-Samtanko 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

What does it say about a mod team when one mod, one without much power to do anything, is the one who makes that post?

Don't you think that moderation of very large default subs is more important than the amount of time/effort/etc. that these mods can put forward on a volunteer basis?

That is, maybe your "users moderate other users" idea is flawed and prone to this kind of bullshit.

[–]Gusfoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I appreciate, because of how this site has evolved across the few years that I have been using is, that it is somewhat difficult to go outside protocol, but may I ask that Reddit Inc starts a new set of defaults that are Admin curated rather than the 'it just happened like this' set?

[–]BetterThanYou 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole "brigade" thing is unfalsifiable. It is trotted out without fail. There is no evidence provided, and there never will be. And the timeline doesn't work. The moderator in question was removed way, way after the actual problems happened. Everyone knows what is going on here.

[–]stackus 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean "their lip service."

[–]Alerta_Antifa -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the mods did a good job in combating the brigading from the_donald. I saw no less than 12 frong page posts there directing users to come brigade /r/news with hate speech based on a vague FBI answer at the first press conference. I hope the mods aren't going to give in to bullying and pressure by those scumbags now and show them they can win just by behaving like an unruly mob. The_donald has made /r/politics toxic with their bridaging and they are going to make /r/news one of their hate filled echo chambers too without the mods doing something to stop it. They also brigaded /r/Sweden in the past and today attacked /r/de. They openly talk in the comments about how they want to "aggressively red pill weak liberal minds throughout Reddit" so they obviously have no intention of stopping this behavior. I guarantee these same people involved in brigading /r/news will be brigading this very announcement.

The admins cannot continue to allow the_donald to be used as a base from which brigades and attacks on other subreddits are carried out and the site wide rules are ignored because they think they are too big to be banned. That's not even counting their hourly posts that harass, threaten, and target innocent Muslims, immigrants, journalists, and Reddit mods. When will the_donald actually be taken to task for their constant violation of Reddit's site rules?

[–]GEORGE_RR_MARTlN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez . Your post is condescending enough to convince me to quit reddit.

No, not just a few post and comments were removed. Threads were virtual graveyards of censored comments.

The malicious mod wasn't actively removed by either the mod team nor the admins. He deleted his account. Stop implying ( and you know you are regardless of what you explicitly stated) that he was removed as a consequence. This is a faerie truth ( a phrase I learned recently in one of these threads) .

This mod was obviously was an alt to another admin. While this doesn't violate any specific rule, it violates our trust in the Reddit product, especially since it seems that this alt was used as a vicious troll. This alt account removes any sense of permanence we'd expect from removal of a mod from a default as a means to make amends with your users. Hell, it makes it seem like such accounts are used for the inevitable fall guy when such a controversy occurs. What change can occur when the change in mod leadership is as cosmetic as this?

All of these grievances are either demonstrable facts or are so patently obvious to everyone.

Not even acknowledging them, and instead chastising us for our treatment of the mods is condescending to the highest degree. We are not children who you can trick and scold. We are your source of income. Ignore us at your peril.

[–]-run 108ポイント109ポイント  (21子コメント)

This thread will go well.

[–]adadadafafafafa 140ポイント141ポイント  (9子コメント)

Live threads are the best place for news to break and for the community to stay updated on the events. We are working to make this more timely, evident, and organized.

Is it just me, or do live threads suck? They're fine to hang out on after you've read news articles and other reddit threads to get yourself up to date. But as a primary source of info they're just too... unfiltered and empty.

If you come to reddit 2 hours after an incident has started, a normal reddit post will have (a) a link to a good article covering the scenario, and if the primary link is insufficient or inaccurate, the top comment is likely to be a better source, (b) several top comments with context and discussion, pretty representative about what reddit and a chunk of the world are thinking at the time (c) a fairly responsive bubbling up for new information, along with a "new" sort option to check the latest.

While on the other hand, a "live" thread will just be random and often inane comments, lots of repetitive comments, and zero attention on all the background info its assumed "everybody already knows"

[–]hsmith711 300ポイント301ポイント  (30子コメント)

So when a news event happens and a megathread is created.. initial comments/reactions get voted to the top.

Any new information and updates may or may not be edited into the main post.. and is usually just going to be a buried comment.

Every post at all related to the same news event is deleted.

In other words... 30 minutes after something happens, Reddit is literally the WORST place on the internet to get news. The only thing in front of you will be a single post that the event is happening and "best" or "top" will be the most popular comments from the first 30 minutes and "new" will be ignorant reactions.

That doesn't seem like a good idea at all. If there were a subreddit with moderators that knew the difference between "contributing to the discussion" and not.. and would just remove 100% of parent comments that don't contribute to the discussion... that would be a good start.


Edit: To those saying livethreads fix the problem.. I agree they are an improvement.. but that still doesn't explain why new articles/stories with new information are automatically deleted just because a megathread or live thread exists. How many hours after an event until new stories with new information are allowed as new content? 1 hour? 3 hours? 24 hours?

Simply put, if I wanted the most up to date information about this story and several others in the recent past, news.google.com or any other actual news site was far easier to find what I was looking for than Reddit. Reddit is just the best place to find out how the reddit (or specific subreddit) hivemind is reacting to a particular story.

Duplicate news stories muddy the water... but removing all posts that have anything to do with a topic limits the amount of information that can be found about an event on this website.

[–]thebaron2 1335ポイント1336ポイント  (51子コメント)

A few posts were removed incorrectly

Isn't this the understatement of the century? The amount of DELETED comments in those threads was insane and it turned out many of them didn't come close to violating any policy. Identifying where to go to donate blood?

We have investigated

Will this be a transparent investigation or is this all you guys have to say on the matter?

it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators

While I agree with the sentiment, it's really bad form, IMO, to include this here, in this post. Part of the disdain for how this was handled included the /r/news mods blaming the users for their behavior.

This is a responsibility we take seriously.

This is hard to take seriously if theres a) no accountability, b) no transparency, and c) no acknowledgement of how HORRIBLY this whole incident was handled. This post effectively comes down to "One mod crossed the line. And by the way, don't harass mods ever."

We–Reddit Inc, moderators, and users–all have a duty to ensure access to timely information is available.

What happens when you - Reddit Inc and moderators (I'd argue that regular users do not have a duty to provide access to info) - fail in this duty? If it's a serious responsibility, as you claim, are there repercussions or is there any accountability, at all, when the system fails?

*edit: their/there correction

[–]cheald 216ポイント217ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's pretty bold to say that there is no evidence of censorship when community undeletion logs pretty clearly show mods removing posts which contain nothing except links to related stories or headlines (ie, "FBI: Orlando Gunman 'May Have Leanings' Toward Radical Islamic Terrorism"). I watched completely appropriate posts (and even entire sub-threads) disappear between page refreshes.

It was abundantly clear to me watching yesterday that there was an agenda at play to shape the narrative in the /r/news threads. The moderator agendas in certain subreddits have been a running joke for a while now, but after that display yesterday, I have zero confidence in the ability of the /r/news moderation team to objectively moderate the sub. Locking threads because they're getting a lot of attention is a horrific way to manage such a scenario - saying "we can't control this, so we're going to just shut it down" is hard to read as anything except censorship. Reddit has plenty of community tools to help curate discussion content, and a bunch of people voting in a way that you don't agree with isn't necessarily brigading.

Regarding the "rogue moderator", name and shame and point out what they did, why what they did was inappropriate, and any internal policies the team has taken to prevent that from happening again. There's a moderation log - make it public, so that when content is removed, people can see when, by whom, and possibly why. Maybe even consider something like HN's "showdead" flag to permit readers willing to brave the dregs of the comments to see things that have been removed, so as to improve accountability and diminish the capacity for moderators to operate in secret. You have pretty damning evidence that the current system allows for abuses that are withing your technical means to mitigate.

Shame on everyone involved in suppressing conversation that didn't support their biases yesterday.

[–]o11c 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two things that are absolutely needed, that you haven't addressed:

  • It's against the rules for a user to create an account to circumvent a moderator's ban. So why are moderators permitted to create a new account to moderate major subreddits after one of their moderator accounts disappears for one reason or another? (Also, for defaults, purging of inactive mods needs to be automatic and entirely dependent on activity in that subreddit.) Also, forbid shared moderator accounts (definitely against the rules already!) from doing anything except make stickies.

  • The quality of Reddit is entirely dependent on the quality of its community - not the quality of "algorithms". Vote manipulation was not a notable problem at any time yesterday. Rather, the problem was that one or more moderators decided to stifle discussion from its ordinary community (Since it's a default, the community is already everybody! Brigading fundamentally can't happen on something everybody checks regularly!), and all the rest of the mods were perfectly happy to let it happen.

Or, to put it shortly - previously, it was possible for me to trust Reddit to inform me of any major news story (it doesn't matter that updates aren't perfect!), but that is no longer the case. I didn't know about this at all until I heard about it from other media, which is frankly embarrassing.

[–]istorical 161ポイント162ポイント  (14子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

If you don't call thousands of comments being deleted because a moderation team doesn't like them censorship, what do you call it? Oh that's right, you call anything you don't like brigading. Because it's not possible to read and comment in multiple subreddits, you're only allowed to have and share opinions in your own home turf.

Reddit of 2016: Non-circlejerk opinions aren't allowed in any subreddit. Expressing a contrary view is brigading. There's no such thing as censorship, the mods are always right, and remember, we've always been at war with Eastasia!

Edit. Since I'm getting a bit of traction, this is the real problem as I see it:

  1. A sub like /r/news normally has a consensus that A is right and B is wrong (spoiler alert, the mods usually also agree with A and disparage people who believe in B!)
  2. A big thread appears and people who wouldn't normally comment or vote show up. This is normal. You might normally lurk in most subs, but when something big happens you want to participate. It's not brigading.
  3. Some comments in support of B start popping up, and gasp, they get upvoted! This angers the mods!
  4. This is the part where the mods start deleting shit like crazy because opinions they don't like are actually prevailing. The public discourse is shifting towards an unacceptable direction. So they exercise editorial control over public opinion. What gives them this right?
  5. Reddit users rebel and get super pissed off.
  6. Admins don't admit that the mods did anything wrong, they victimblame people who had their comments or posts deleted, and instead divert attention from the manipulation of discussion using "brigading", "death threats", and "harassment" as a scapegoat and boogeyman.

We've been seeing this time and time again: If 3% of users are brigading, or harassing, or doxxing, or death-threating because they believe in B, then Reddit admins and mods decide it's OK to delete all comments that express support of B.

As these things keep happening, citizens of the internet are learning that Reddit isn't a forum for open and earnest discussion of ideas, it's a place where you can only say what's acceptable to mods and admins. This isn't about harassment, or hate speech, or doxxing, or brigading, it's about moderation teams shutting down opinions they don't agree with.

Moderators are not meant to shape public thought or push their values onto others.

[–]youramazing 212ポイント213ポイント  (19子コメント)

This is all nice, but none of it addresses the real issue which is abuse among the mod teams here. I don't have any solutions, but there should be a checks and balance system put into place on some level to protest actions of a specific moderator. For example, if one or more mods are censoring discussion, can we not raise those concerns somewhere higher than that specific sub's modmail? Because as shown over the weekend, they will not treat those concerns in a serious or fair manner.

If you don't do anything to address this issue, then you can't say that you are really doing anything to prevent what happened with Orlando again.

[–]D0cR3d 34ポイント35ポイント  (12子コメント)

So what happens to regular sticky posts. A few of my subreddits use sticky posts as a gathering of information. Can only mods make sticky aka announcement posts? What if a news info like E3 for the gaming subs, a user makes a post first, and we want to honor that by making a collective discussion thread? Are we not able to do that and we as mods would have to create our own announcement post just to sticky it?

Examples when we would sticky a users post:

  1. They create a really detailed helpful post with information, and we want to direct users to it
  2. Mods are asleep and a user gets the drop on a game update, or E3 coverage, or some other bit of information. We like to reduce redundant threads, so direct discussion to a single thread and make this a stickied megathread.
  3. An important new story breaks out (current event) and the mods want to sticky that for visibility.

Users kinda get angry if mods remove threads to make their own, especially when users get a big drop on the mods in terms of time. Not exactly the best PR for us to remove a post and make our own just so we can sticky it to get users attention.

So what are we supposed to do? Make a announcement thread with a link to the users thread and lock our thread just as a redirect?

[–]MisterTruth 437ポイント438ポイント  (77子コメント)

Very simple rules: If you are a default sub and you participate in censorship, you lose your default sub status. Mods of default subs who harass users, threaten users, or tell users to kill themselves are demodded and possibly banned depending on severity.

Edit: Apparently there are a lot of users on here who consider removing thoughts and ideas they don't agree with for political purposes not only acceptable, but proper practice. There is a difference with removing individual hate speech posts and blanketly setting up an automod to remove all instances of references to a group of people. For example, a comment "it's being reported that the shooter is Muslim and may have committed this in the name of isis" should never be removed unless a sub has an explicit policy that there can be no mention of these words.

[–]mobiusstripsearch 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their policy includes removing duplicate posts to focus the conversation in one place, and removing speculative posts until facts are established.

They deleted and banned a lot more than this, and /r/news was not the only offending subreddit. /r/Worldnews banned the story as a "local news story". /r/news banned posts about blood donations and anything that mentioned that the killer was Muslim. (This is something that has never been done when the killer is White.)

It already sounds like you're dodging blame by saying that this is just "their policy" at /r/news. The whole issue is that a default subreddit like /r/news, which controls such a huge portion of traffic at reddit, is able to censor, delete, insult, promote, over-moderate, under-moderate, or ban without any oversight or action. Is /r/news going to change their policies? -- it's great that you're talking to them and "trying to understand," but what about the thousands of users who want something new? Do we all go to a new sub, cut our losses, and accept that the promoted, default subs have no effective check? Do we have to make a new sub every time a subreddit displeases us? Why should /r/news remain the legitimate news subreddit? Are you listening to the concerns of /r/news subscribers, or just the mods?

Without rushing to judgement: it sounds like you really don't have anything new to say.

[–]CowrawlAndFheonex 530ポイント531ポイント  (44子コメント)

Something about "One moderator" sounds kind of bullshit. You're telling me one moderator completely censored multiple threads at a very high rate? Sounds like a lot of work for only one person. Or are we talking about the one moderator sending death threats? Because that doesn't solve the problem.

[–]thatpuck 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

What will you do about the user /u/rnews_mod which is a shared account for the moderators which tried to spin yesterday's censorship to about not caring for yesterday's shooting?

/u/rnews_mod:

Only comments breaking our rules are being deleted. If you think its more productive to cry about censorship then it is to discuss this horrifying event, we suggest you try another subreddit.

Why are there even shared mod accounts,? Don't you see how this could easily be abused by moderator teams so they never take responsibility for their own actions.

[–]HordeOfDoom 149ポイント150ポイント  (6子コメント)

You're a content aggregator; contributors are the content, not you, not the moderators.

If your policies continue to promote moderators, admins, and advertisers at the cost of the contributors, your business will die. You need to change.

In particular, Reddit's algorithm's as-is are, simply speaking, fucked. News is slow to propagate through the site, suppressed by algorithms, and heavily biased. When I find out something from the mainstream media before it hits the front page on Reddit, you've lost my readership.

[–]2dilatedpupils 313ポイント314ポイント  (55子コメント)

You are seriously telling us you found no instances of censorship in the whole /r/news fiasco? I call bullshit.

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

Just so /r/the_donald doesnt keep reaching /r/all all the time?

[–]ReluctantPawn 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

What an absolute garbage, non-explanation, non-apology. Also, what a catastrophe of damage control. So you (contrary to overwhelming evidence and first hand accounts of thousands on this site) found that no censorship occurred? A few posts were removed incorrectly? One moderator is to blam? But also oh the poor mods are the victims here? Spez, your /r/news mods have lost all credibility and you need to clean house. You are now losing all credibility yourself by making bullshit excuses for them and protecting them. Don't do it. It's time to finally own up to what happened (and is happening) to a once-good website, apologize and take drastic action to correct things. Do you think there is any chance at all this would have happened on 2005 reddit? 2008 reddit? 2010 reddit? This place is going to end up like digg if you don't make changes. People are already searching for alternatives within the site and to the site as a whole. The writing is on the wall and you keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

[–]BigIrishBalls 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not on any side politically. But when you have to hear about this from the Donald Trump subreddit, one who's fairly controversial on here, I think it points out just how bad this censoring is.

Every post was removed. Vast amounts of comments were removed. There's an agenda on a lot of subreddits here that doesn't suit the very nature of reddit. We want to discuss real things, without having a fear of being banned. To have our voices silenced or be called racist for mentioning facts is idiotic. The mods fucked up. There's literally no other way of looking at that. News should not be a default sub. It's censoring news and this isn't the first time. Censoring goes against the very purpose of news.

I'm sure this might get buried, but I want my voice heard. This is disappointing to say the least and your dismissal of it is ridiculous.

[–]clintonthegeek 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

So what you are saying is you don't want /r/The_Donald scooping the discussions on any more events which default subs are all set to moderate for civility, etc.

You see, I don't think that is how it's going to work. The community of Reddit, the multitude of users, come here to have discussions and encounter the opinions of others. When moderators and administrators try to fiddle with the mixture of ideas, priviliging some and trying to obscure or minimize others, it interferes with the free exchange of ideas.

The world is changing. We all know it, we've all felt it. The world has gone digital. With AMAs and outreach programs by political campaigns, the MSM and establishment has descended massive sites like Twitter down to Reddit to have deeper discussion here. Also, anonymous imageboard culture, from sites like 4chan, has risen from its depths to occupy some sub-reddits and spread their memes and ideas. There are cold winds from the north, and hot winds from the south converging on this very website.

A storm is brewing on Reddit that nobody can predict.

I understand moderators and admin must feel like it's an impossible situation to please everyone as culture goes crazy and opposing ideas crash together in thousands of controversial upvotes and flamewars. Just realize that it's the users who choose to keep coming here that keep Reddit a thriving community. And they like keeping the strong arguments on the internet, in cyberspace, apart from physical reality where punches are thrown and people get shot. When they collectively say that "censorship" (not 1st Amendment violations, but merely overzealous moderating) bothers them, you should listen.

Reddit is the safe space for the societies most contentious issues to be battled out in containment. It's not a safe space for people's ideas to go unchallenged. I think that is how Reddit should act more like a neutral carrier, and not try to use admin/mod powers to shape how conversations go. To borrow a phrase from America's Declaration of Independence, Reddit has become the place for facts to be "submitted to a candid world."

Let us remain candid.

[–]KSBadger 68ポイント69ポイント  (4子コメント)

Many of you use Reddit as your primary source of news, and we have a duty to provide access to timely information during a crisis. This is a responsibility we take seriously.

Prove it.

A few posts were removed incorrectly

Way more than a few. You're out of touch.

have not found evidence to support these claims.

sooooo out of touch

Whether you agree with r/news’ policies or not, it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators. Expressing your anger is fine. Sending death threats is not. We will be taking action against users, moderators, posts, and communities that encourage such behavior.

The mods were totally the victims in all of this.

We are working with r/news to understand the challenges faced and their actions taken throughout, and we will work more closely with moderators of large communities in future times of crisis.

Translation: You're going to stall and hope people forget.

Until you produce tangible results like removing /r/news moderators, announcements like this will be seen as nothing more than hand waves at a larger problem. You're just paying lip service to your pissed off users and most people can see that. If you continue to ignore your audience and cater to a few power users this site will go the way of Digg.

[–]SixBiscuit 104ポイント105ポイント  (17子コメント)

Stop using amateur, inexperienced, volunteers to moderate and curate your main subreddits with 8 million users and actually pay someone that knows something about journalism to moderate your news subreddit, someone that knows something about politics to moderate your political subreddit, etc.

You get what you pay for and you mostly get drama loving power trippers.

[–]ABCosmos 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

Many people argue that the biggest issue with Reddit is that the moderators of default subreddits like /r/news have too much power.

Is this concern on the radar of the admins at Reddit? Is there any theory on how to handle this better than reactionary, after the fact, and on a case by case basis? This seems like it will happen over and over.. the defaults are too important to be controlled by mods who tell redditors to kill themselves.

[–]druglawyer 81ポイント82ポイント  (4子コメント)

A few posts were removed incorrectly, which have now been restored.

Understatement of the year award, right there.

We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

And I'm sure we all believe you. /s

Edit: The initial excuse for the "kill it with fire" approach to the event that the mods took was brigading. There's even an admin in the thread confirming that brigading was happening. Please provide some actual evidence to that effect, or post a retraction of that excuse. And also please explain how brigading, in your view, differs from large numbers of people climbing into an /r/news thread regarding a major event.

[–]BlueSignRedLight 125ポイント126ポイント  (3子コメント)

This sounds like a very long post to say that other than banning an obvious sockpuppet, nothing is going to be done. So business as usual then?

[–]mafaldo 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

https://i.sli.mg/mbleSK.png

https://i.sli.mg/Oxshsf.png

http://imgur.com/qRWIlGM

Deleted comments in red

So this doesn't count as censorship?

[–]tcp1 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

/u/spez,

Why can't you simply come out and admit that Reddit and a good portion of mods have a certain bias and agenda, that this is NOT an unbiased/uncensored news site, and let the users decide?

We accept that Fox News is conservative, MSNBC is liberal, and CNN is a schizophrenic meth addict. And that's OK, because we know the context. We know what we're getting when we read Daily Kos or Newsmax - on either side.

Let's just call it what it is and say that Reddit and its leadership is attuned to a certain crowd that is hypersensitive to race/gender politics and prefers to reject what they may perceive as overentitled "mainstream" American demographics and be honest with each other?

What happened in /r/news yesterday was not an "accident" and the quicker you guys admit that, the more people will just be OK with what Reddit is and know how large a grain of salt to take with any news events.

You can pretend the "kill yourself" mod was an errant outlier, but those of us who have been on Reddit more than a few months know that just is not true.

[–]designer_of_drugs 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey look, it's spez minimizing bias and coming to show what a good job the mods do and how neutral and good (and worth investment) reddit is. Sticky posts are now called announcements! This will obviously address the problems reddit doesn't have! But remember, what happened in Orlando is horrible, so in comparison this was just a little hiccup. Err, or hypothetically would have been a hiccup if reddit had bias problems. Which it doesn't.

It sounds like spez has a PR lackey permanently installed in his ass.

[–]lifelongfreshman 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no excuse for the raw number of removed comments, period. I don't care how many duplicates there were, entire sections were graveyards because of direct moderator behavior.

There's a difference between enforcing your rules and stifling your userbase, and the moderation team crossed that line in a bad way yesterday. There needs to be some protection for the users from moderator abuse on this scale.

[–]harps86 101ポイント102ポイント  (14子コメント)

Moderators can make or break this website. Certain ones overstep their boundary and yesterday was a prime example.

[–]dltbgyd 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

What? Aside from the post that were censored, which you have now uncensored , there was no censorship? It doesn't matter that you uncensored them, the fact remains that they were censored at the time, which is the problem.

That's like saying "aside from the 50 people who died, no one died"

[–]matesc 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

How are you going to prevent the mod from just making a new account, it doesn't seem that unlikely that that had already happened since their account was only 4 months old and they are clearly friends with the rest of the mods at /r/news since they weren't instantly unmodded.

[–]Tomes2789 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

What about the NUMEROUS (too numerous to even count) people who were both banned AND muted by the mods of /r/news for posting stories and/or comments that were IN NO WAY hateful/bigoted/etc.., but were instead just the facts?

Just because these facts seemed to be against the political ideologies of the mods of /r/news, they were removed, and the posters were immediately banned AND muted.

How is this not censorship?

This goes beyond the one mod who told a user to kill himself.

[–]iEpicsaurus 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hello u/spez, you stated that a few posts were removed incorrectly however this is not the case. Thousands of posts were removed for not reason (they did not violate any rules) and asked for fellow redditors to donate blood to local centers etc... we ask you to be transparent in your public statement and not give us some nonsense which is obviously false and you are in full damage control.

Furthermore, several mods on r/news lied about the mod in question and stated that this individual was not an alt account and later the mod in question revealed the removed mod's official account.

We, the community, are appalled to how your response and the moderation team has handled the situation and are asking the whole moderation team to be replaced. This was not an isolated incident with only one moderator, instead, the whole moderation team failed the community.

[–]KimH2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a sub's mods pull some shady crap yet again and the admins back them up and hand-wave it away as nothing...

If you continue to breed feelings of mistrust and disdain your user base will eventually get sick of it and leave.

For now you might feel secure thinking "Where are they gonna go?" but you push people to the breaking point and it won't matter they'll go back to using google alerts, they'll go back to using 25 different sites instead of 25 different subs. Reddit's 'convenience' just won't justify the hassle/toxicity

[–]Shooterman56 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a sadly obvious attempt to just kick one mod account out and hope that all of this will go away. The behavior of the entire news mod team has shaken the faith that people have in your website and these politically scripted half answers talking no real responsibility for your actions is only making it worse for you. No instances of censorship? The deleted post logs make it clearly obvious that there was clear political motivation behind the scrubbing of some of the comments the started the shit-storm.

How patronizing.

[–]AlexFaceHead 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit has become such a massive joke.

I used to enjoy this site, and, as /u/spez mentioned, used it as a source of news. It's sad, because I legitimately believe it used to host quality content with, for the most part, genuine people providing said content.

I can't say the same anymore. And completely honestly, it's pathetic. The staff is pathetic, the moderators of some of the largest communities are pathetic, and I am pathetic for even visiting this terrible excuse for a "front page of the internet" and supporting its nonsense.

Uncensored and unbiased information is hard to come across this day an age anyway, but reddit seems to actively and deliberately destroy any efforts put into preserving freedom of speech, information, and thought.

Furthermore, why was this even an issue? What power can a moderator really have? My layman's guess is not very much when compared to the group of people which runs the site. So really, the issue is with people like /u/spez, and the rest of the flock of administration that run this sad excuse for an informative website. Leave it up to these jerk offs to perpetuate bullshit.

I can't rely on this site for news anymore than I can rely on it for original content.

It's spiraled into a piece of garbage with a profit and an agenda in mind.

[–]G30therm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We all know that the "one moderator who crossed the line" is just a scapegoat for all of the problems, there's no way this level of censorship (which it was) occurred due to a single moderator. However, the 'rogue' mod was so far out of line that they made themselves an easy scapegoat for the rest of the problems too.

It's over now and /r/news will be scrutinised for a long time to come. Hopefully that is enough to prevent it ever happening again.

Lets move on.

[–]iReign_x 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clarity/transparency is something reddit promised, this would be a good opportunity to get moderators of the default subs to employ as well.

In a high profile situation like this with emotions running high, people want to know what happened and /r/news while may have been acting within its rules and boundaries, failed. It failed to settle things. Reddit knows the internet very well; once something gets out, it will be twisted and changed by people who are ignorant , didn't check sources, or didn't read the information properly; they were more worried about multiple posts about people breaking some minor rules (the major rules being broken is understandable) over clarity of their actions, which if they had explained in a proper way (subreddit announcement, near the beginning of this mess) would have quickly diminished the situation. Comment graveyards and deleted threads do not calm tens of thousands of people who are flustered looking for information on a tragedy.

I believe the admins should set better standards for moderators of default subreddits, including clarity.

[–]KytoCSGO 55ポイント56ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's absolutely unacceptable that the mods were deleting every single post about donating blood in Orlando. What they did could have caused someone to die because they didn't have enough blood for the person. When there's an emergency like that, they should make one of the threads about a blood drive a sticky, not fucking delete it. Admin intervention needs to happen in that sub.

[–]GameboyPATH 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

I admit, I'm interested. Even if we don't get numeric details on the exact changes made to the algorithm, could you generally explain what direction these changes go? Are we talking limits or caps on subreddit frequency? Differences in threshholds for karma scores?

[–]Turnoverman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Orlando was horrible, and /r/news did exceptionally shitty things in relation to it.

So you're going to do nothing to help with preventing that, and you're going to pointlessly cripple /r/The_Donald, the sub that let people know what was going on and wouldn't have been able to without the ability to rapidly sticky things and push them to /r/all.

Awesome. Just awesome.

Great way to abuse a tragedy, Reddit.

[–]MAXSquid 245ポイント246ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please put in a better system to report mods.

[–]RootUser 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with restoring posts which were incorrectly removed is that there was a critical time during the US East coast a.m. where users were left with no resources in r/news and instead had to turn to other subreddits for information. The damage was already done.

I don't have a solution for what happened, but if r/news is going to be a default subreddit, it should be held to a different standard than other subreddits. That means when critical information is being shared in a default subreddit that has been represented to the users as a center for receiving critical information, there's an objective treatment of that information.

Simply restoring posts is not a fix for the mistreatment of critical, time-sensitive information. There is no fixing that kind of mistreatment after-the-fact. The only thing that can restore the trust of users in that case is ensuring that it does not occur again, and what I have read here does not satisfy that, in my opinion.

[–]Feignfame 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if I like being told that what I witnessed on r/news yesterday didn't happen.

Because it did. A subreddit full of people dedicated to immaturely cheerleading a political candidate was on the ball on disseminating breaking news while a sub specifically MEANT to do that and almost 100 times bigger was doing its best impression if MH370 and no where to be found.

There is only one moderator of that failure of a sub's mod team actually addressing any concerns actively and most people are screaming out how little confidence they have in that mod team without being heard.

This whole mess needs a seriously bigger response than some announcement posts that you'll 'do better' because frankly anyone who's been on Reddit the last few years know how worthless that phrase has become.

[–]bonked_or_maybe_not 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A few posts were removed incorrectly, which have now been restored. One moderator did cross the line with their behavior, and is no longer a part of the team. We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

In other words, outright lies are completely acceptable if they fall in line with the political agenda of those on staff at reddit.

70 seconds after the first reputable news source stated that the shooter was possibly of middle eastern descent - the entire mainstream sections of this web site were in full on Orwellian memory hole mode.

[–]Actual_Dragon_IRL 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

You investigated yourselves and found no evidence of doing something wrong, I'm so fucking shocked.

People should be able to express hatred of terrorists no matter what religion they subscribe to.

[–]allthefoxes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't speak for every default moderator but at this point I don't see why default subreddits can't belong to reddit at the end of the day, ala eminent domain

/u/Doctor_McKay explains it better than I could, but simply slap /u/reddit on top of the modlist of any default, and give yourself the authority to handle situations like this.

I'm very surprised this is such a lax slap on the wrist. Every mod makes mistakes, I do all the time...but this was a fuck up through and through.

If a default doesn't want to give ownership, they cant be a default

I'm not suggesting reddit admins actually moderate the subreddit - I'm just saying you should really be giving yourself the power to handle these issues.

I am very surprised /r/news is "getting away" with this - Though I am happy with the changes you guys are making at least.

[–]GuruNemesis 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

" We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims. "

So, given that the first 24 hours makes a huge amount of impression on people, there's no censorship besides deleting posts, but only temporarily.

Are those posts going to be back on top once they are undeleted?

Didn't think so.

Also, when addressing vote manipulation, what assurances are their that the policy doesn't just mean controlling the posts you don't like? What is vote manipulation? If a group of people all up vote thing because they as individuals want to upvote it, but they happen to be somehow seen as unfavorable, is that vote manipulation, or just voting?

[–]RMAR_Devastator 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

What happened in /r/news was a total meltdown and honestly the slate needs to be wiped clean. This issue has blown way out of proportion and I believe you, the admins, need to take action against the moderators and find replacements for them. Barring all the accusations of censorship, the mods there clearly aren't qualified for something of that caliber given their status as a default sub.

[–]riemannszeros 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has this been addressed anwhere: why was that megathread such a ridiculous comment graveyard?

Was it just one rogue mod? What was this person doing and thinking?

I know that most of the deleted comments were complaining about the mods deleting everything (a vicious cycle), but many of the other comments weren't. Comments about how to donate blood were removed.

I'm in the minority, I suppose, because I think that some sort of narrative-enforcing political-censorship is far fetched and silly, but -something- was going on. You don't just start erasing blood donation posts for no reason.

[–]tisgdayfc 61ポイント62ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is the mod actually gone or just that one account?

[–]pizzaparty123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only visit Reddit now for humor and select niche subs (sports teams, etc) for news. Getting your everyday world and US news from Reddit is frustrating because of the inherent bias.

I'm not surprised a forum-like website such as Reddit would skew to the left, but it's been over the top recently. Pew Research found 47% of Reddit users identify as liberal, which is about twice as likely as the total population.

I like Reddit, but events such as this remind me why I don't get my news here.

[–]fearachieved 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't like the sound of this:

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

Sort of has an "affirmative action" ring to it, does it not?

Sounds like this may open the door to greater censorship.

[–]MisterJohnson87 60ポイント61ポイント  (7子コメント)

Unsure on how you came to the conclusion that censorship wasn't an issue? Can you clarify please?

[–]thebedshow 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the mods who censored all the information are cool guys and the real problem is those darn other subs who bothered them for their massive censorship campaign! Those poor guys, how can they continue after being bothered with mean comments due to their planned and executed campaign of censorship because it didn't fit their narrative. It must be rough being them. Mean comments are almost as bad as mass murder!

[–]happy_tractor 97ポイント98ポイント  (5子コメント)

All r/news moderators must be removed immediately and replaced. Such blatant censorship cannot be allowed to remain or Reddit will no longer be the front page of anything

[–]pteridoid 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

Does this have anything to do with a certain subreddit stickying tons of posts so the members can upvote rapidly so that reddit's algorithm thinks it's hot news every time? Cause that was getting real old.

[–]HelveticaBOLD 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've noticed the last several major news stories have taken so long to reach the front page that I have gotten faster updates on Facebook and TMZ, among other sites.

Reddit used to be lightning fast as a source for news, but in recent months it's become, well, kind of pathetic.

Can we expect this to change, or has reddit's usefulness along these lines come to an end?

[–]Flootersy 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you investigated yourselves on censorship and found no evidence of wrongdoing? Funny that. Everyone that was there knows that isn't true in the slightest.

[–][deleted] 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Expressing your anger is fine.

Oh good. Fuck you, spez. /r/news has been censoring for a long time and you know it.

[–]reformedman 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks /u/Spez, but why not allow users the opportunity to fill out mod satisfaction surveys, so the the bad ones can be replaced with good ones?

[–]cloudduel_13 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

That mod account that multiple mods are using shouldn't be allowed.

[–]jagdos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think one of the big issues here is the level of transparency. Entering a big thread where the top comments are [DELETED] is just a very frustrating user experience, as it prompts the question WHY was it deleted. If the mod team believes something should be removed, why not just collapse them like severly downvoted comments are?

[–]Trunkington 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe having the mods of one of the most important subreddits not telling users to go kill themselves would be a great start.

[–]Skyon1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This level of moderation did not occur during the Paris shootings, Brussels airport shooting, airline crashes, etc. Something more needs to be done here. During the aftermath of the largest shooting in US history is not the time for heavy moderation and ban attacks from moderators. We come to reddit for the flow of information. I've unsubbed from r/news and will replace it when something more suitable comes along.

[–]Nillix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

they will only be able to be created by moderators; and they must be text posts.

Change levied directly at /r/the_donald methinks. For those not in the know, they were sticking stuff to be focused for mass voting, and when it hit the front page, rinsing repeating with more content. Good, because fuck that noise.

[–]booyah719 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators.

But it is okay for moderators of large subreddits to biasedly censor users, tell them to kill themselves, and swap between accounts when they're found out?

It shouldn't have taken a national tragedy for admins to do something about that cesspool. /r/askreddit shouldn't have been the place to receive information.

We are nearly fully staffed on our Community team, and will continue increasing support for moderator teams of major communities.

Support? You need a fucking overhaul.

[–]manachar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like the Reddit community seems to be forgetting the anarchic nature of subreddit moderation and instead insisting that Reddit (the company) should be held responsible for moderation policies they didn't set.

I suspect your best choice would be to get rid of default subs and instead let people select their interests, and create an algo to have /r/all be representative of the "best" upvoted content.

I don't agree that Reddit SHOULD have the responsibility to ensure that content on this site should be moderated in a way that fits the majorities desire.

We can just make a new version or /r/news with clearer and better moderation. If people like it more, it'll do better.

I guess if Reddit wants to be more of a news org than they could hire some journalists as the mods of such a subreddit. Actually, that might be kind of neat to have some more "official" subs that provide these more critical feeds.

[–]duckiesuit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In light of Reddit's increasingly clear role as a first-destination news source, is there any movement toward adding journalists to the admin team? While I know Reddit is not a journalistic outlet bound by the profession's voluntary ethics code, an experienced journalist could, at the very least, assist in preventing the site from causing active harm during live news events that are moving at breakneck speed.

As we've seen in other breaking-news situations such as the Boston Marathon bombing and the Paris terrorist attacks, Reddit's teeming mass of posters and contributors can sometimes cause harm with speculation, doxxing, unsubstantiated reports, and giving away sensitive information during an active attack.

Maybe you do already have a journalism team in place -- but if not, I would like to know if you're considering it.

(I asked this in a reply, but thought maybe I should make a top-level post.)

[–]ImNotJesus 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Spez it's all well and good to say you oppose those things but what are you doing? There's a very popular subreddit regularly brigading other subs and harassing mods and despite constant begging by default mods to do something the admins stay silent.

What's more, in your last Q&A your own response to a question was partially responsible for the harassment of a mod that left that mod needing to take a break from Reddit. As a default mod (who has never personally been the victim of mass harassment), it seems like we hear a lot more about what you think than actually doing something. When are you going to start taking the people who run your website for free seriously? Do we need to blackout every time we need some fucking support?

[–]Hibria 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People were getting banned and comments deleted for saying muslim..... it is clearly heavy with censorship. Many people unsubbed including myself for this very reason, and for the leaders of reddit to have "not found this to be the case" makes yall as bad as them.

[–]amanforallsaisons 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You titled this post "Let's talk about Orlando" when it really should be "Let's talk about /r/news."

People in /r/news were trying to talk about Orlando, and 17,000 comments were deleted. What percentage of those comments do the admins agree should have been removed?

Care to share a bit more of the details of the admins "investigation?"

[–]2A_is_the_best_A 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Points #2 & #3 seem directly aimed at /r/The_Donald. I don't see how those items had anything to do with the unnecessary censorship and mod abuse from this weekend.

/r/The_Donald was the only place to get the news about this event. So let's go ahead and restrict the ways they work. Sounds like a plan!

[–]PandaBear10 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is not an isolated incident, and shouldn't be treated as such.

[–]-eDgAR- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So is this "announcement" sticky just a different name for it, or is is a completely new thing? If it is just the same thing with a new name do you mean to say that moderators will no longer be able to sticky links completely?

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[–]jeremycinnamonbutter 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought that Reddit would self sort itself with the comments with the voting system. Downvoted comments get buried. Why should there be moderators actively censoring these comments, without any standards, when news breaks and comments are purely reactive of people? Very flawed system.

[–]Pokatz 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Am I alone in thinking that no posts should be censored or deleted, no matter how awful or cruel or offensive. Is that not the point of the voting system. I was under the impression that anything goes, and if it isnt what people like they will downvote it, is that not what freedom of speech is. Sure some people will say horrible provoking things, but is it not better to let them state their opinion and let it be discussed and dissmissed by peers rather than be hidden and censored by some higher power in the community. People have opinions, good or bad, and in a free society they should be allowed to voice them. That is how we become a better group as a whole, we should learn other opinions, deconstruct them, see where the other person comes from, and educate and share our points of view, sweeping things under the rug just hides things instead of adressing them, and in the long run will create more problems, just my two cents.

[–]Tralan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate you addressing the issue, but I feel this is a hollow attempt at damage control rather than a sincere attempt to make Reddit a better place. What happened (on Reddit) was unacceptable, but you're still placing some of the blame on the users. It doesn't feel like the mods in question are getting more than a slight slap on the wrist.

And that's not fair to the community. You know, the people who make Reddit a success? I'm sorry if this means I can't mod anymore. It's a small game community for a card game that is all buy dying. They're good people and pretty much mod themselves anyway.

[–]HandshakeOfCO 56ポイント57ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or you could just like, get some new non-bigot mods....

[–]1millionbucks 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

and they must be text posts.

This is fucking stupid. Ban /r/the_donald if they encourage brigading with stickied posts, no one will miss them. Don't make every other community suffer for their idiocy.

What this announcement does not say speaks louder than what it does. Reddit needs to overhaul its policy towards moderators. /r/news has had a cancerous mod team for a very long time, it's a shame that it took a national tragedy for that fact to get any attention. Reddit needs to kick out supermods like /u/qgyh2, or at the very least limiting their powers, and give communities some democratic powers to counteract bad mods. Is anyone really surprised that a moderation team of 19 people had trouble moderating a community with nearly 9 million subscribers? /r/science has well over a thousand mods and they still have difficulty removing all the off-topic comments that appear on even the top posts. This is a problem with the leadership of /r/news, and the only reason the leaders of that subreddit are who they are is because of the date at which they arrived at reddit.

[–]Physick 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact that i got my news from a self post in /r/pics says a lot about /r/news as a subreddit. It needs to removed from the defaults.

[–]TechN9cian01 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's talk about Orlando

All but introductory paragraph about /r/news.

Edit: I wouldn't know where to begin talking about either issue (so good luck /u/spez!) except to separate the issues entirely. I doubt the victims' families and friends give a shit about whatever the hell a "subreddit" is right now. No doubt we all care, but we're not focused on them right now either.

[–]bonobosonson 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

So... the /r/news thing is totally fine according to you, it's just that /r/The_Donald were able to get multiple posts onto the front page that you're pissed about? K.

[–]doctor_rockstar 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit has investigated Reddit and determined that Reddit did nothing wrong.

[–]sammie287 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

No evidence to support that there was censorship? The moment news broke out that the shooter was Muslim the only thing on r/news was a megathread with no information. It contained about 5000 deleted comments, some about blood donation information, and one comment by a mod telling everybody to stop acting like "crybabies." This event wasn't on the front page until the end of the day, many hours after it should have been. Now they're trying to save their reputation and you're buying it because they restored threads a day after the news was relevant? What a disgrace.

[–]thebedshow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best part of this post is that it is a lot of nothing said and bullshit and then snuck in points about changing the algorithm and stickies which is basically specifically targetted at /r/the_donald. As they figured out how to best use the system to reach /r/all a lot. So it turns out the giant censorship fiasco by /r/news is being used as a catalyst to censor (site wide) the exact point of view that /r/news censors. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, this is some next level 1984 shit.

[–]echta94 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I refuse to believe that no proof of censorship was found. Are you serious? How many comments were deleted because the mods didn't agree? r/news didn't even have a front page link about it. r/AskReddit did. And are you kidding me, one moderator was able to do all of that?

This is a gesture to save face for a website that has been accused of censorship more than once and has proven to have shady business practices. I expect more from "The front oage of the internet."

[–]vrbana 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Far to little, far to late. Reddit used to be the place I came for breaking news and eye witness reports immediately after something happened. My frontpage was flooded with Bataclan info AS IT HAPPENED. Still, there's nothing on my frontpage. The largest shooting in this country, I place I live near and I lost a friend. This is a disgrace.

[–]StormCrow1770 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We’re introducing a change to Sticky Posts: They’ll now be called Announcement Posts, which better captures their intended purpose; they will only be able to be created by moderators; and they must be text posts. Votes will continue to count. We are making this change to prevent the use of Sticky Posts to organize bad behavior.

Er, okay. I don't see the point of limiting Sticky Announcement Posts to being only text posts. Do you care to explain?

[–]radio_ghost_car 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care about this nonsense announcement and anyone who buys into this is a sheep. Yesterday proved once and for all that when the building is burning the site administration will hold down and censor information first, ask for forgiveness later.

This site has zero obligation towards free speech or its users, it's a profit driven machine only. Find alternative sources for news and enjoy the Taco Bell ads masquerading as legitimate content.

[–]thematabot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are your thoughts /u/spez, on the actions of a particular mod (/u/SuspiciousSpecialist), of /r/News, where he was actively telling users to essentially end their own lives.

And secondly was the deletion of his account undertaken by reddit or himself?

Thirdly it was unclear how to report this activity to reddit themselves yesterday, as if I am not wrong the report button on comments goes to subreddit mods. Could reddit make this clearer?

Edit: One more thing... This particular disgraced mod keeps making new accounts. Can you guys IP ban him or something?

[–]ReginaldVonBuzzkill 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we get details on what's being done about the brigading and vote manipulation that apparently caused the moderation team to melt down in the first place? I'm not sure I understand how changing the feed algorithm for /r/all is going to prevent vote manipulation. Is there no way to track the users that are using these exploits?

[–]thatusernameistaken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To say there's no evidence of censorship in /r/news not only this Sunday, but for the last months is very out of touch at best, disingenuous at worst. It's rampant with graveyard threads with highly upvoted deleted comments that strayed ever slightly so far from political correctness or dared to question the mods actions.

If that is the official vision of reddit, I'm out.

I mean, an account from Richard Dawkins or Stephen Fry wouldn't last a day in there.

This is depressing.

[–]5heepdawg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Let's talk about Orlando" seemed to really be about "Let's talk about Reddit". Let's go ahead and fix this headline please?

Hi All, What happened in Orlando this weekend was a national tragedy. Let’s remember that first and foremost, this was a devastating and visceral human experience that many individuals and whole communities were, and continue to be, affected by. In the grand scheme of things, this is what is most important today. I would like to address what happened on Reddit this past weekend. Many of you use Reddit as your primary source of news, and we have a duty to provide access to timely information during a crisis. This is a responsibility we take seriously. The story broke on r/news, as is common. In such situations, their community is flooded with all manners of posts. Their policy includes removing duplicate posts to focus the conversation in one place, and removing speculative posts until facts are established. A few posts were removed incorrectly, which have now been restored. One moderator did cross the line with their behavior, and is no longer a part of the team. We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims. Whether you agree with r/news’ policies or not, it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators. Expressing your anger is fine. Sending death threats is not. We will be taking action against users, moderators, posts, and communities that encourage such behavior. We are working with r/news to understand the challenges faced and their actions taken throughout, and we will work more closely with moderators of large communities in future times of crisis. We–Reddit Inc, moderators, and users–all have a duty to ensure access to timely information is available. In the wake of this weekend, we will be making a handful of technology and process changes: Live threads are the best place for news to break and for the community to stay updated on the events. We are working to make this more timely, evident, and organized. We’re introducing a change to Sticky Posts: They’ll now be called Announcement Posts, which better captures their intended purpose; they will only be able to be created by moderators; and they must be text posts. Votes will continue to count. We are making this change to prevent the use of Sticky Posts to organize bad behavior. We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation. We are nearly fully staffed on our Community team, and will continue increasing support for moderator teams of major communities. Again, what happened in Orlando is horrible, and above all, we need to keep things in perspective. We’ve all been set back by the events, but we will move forward together to do better next time.

Literally 90+% of this post is about Reddit, it just "Media/News" headlines for, dare I say, click-bait? Stop it. At least wait a few days for fucks sake.

[–]frog_avenger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

a few posts were removed incorrectly??? If you were serious that means that you think we're all a bunch of morons. I woke up at 5:00 AM to head to work on Sunday. I saw the initial thread on r/news before i went to work. When I took my lunch break, I went to reddit on my phone to see if there was any new info available. To my surprise, The top post on r/all about the tragedy with 15k+ upvotes was from r/askreddit. R/ASKREDDIT. I went to look at r/news to find that at least the top 5 posts were locked and every comment on them was deleted.

If you don't think that every thread with 5k+ up votes and hundreds of comments each from a default subreddit being locked/removed is censorship, Than you're a fascist.

This response is absolutely pathetic and shallow. Basically you're blaming all the censorship on the ONE mod who told someone to kill themselfs?

This response does not sufficiently address any of the points of outrage that happened on reddit this weekend. You should be ashamed that you're trying to cover up censorship on this scale and covering for mods deleting comments from people who were trying to HELP PEOPLE AND SAVE LIFES by posting info about how to donate blood to the victims who were lucky enough to survive.

I am beyond angry that this is the only sorry response we get from the admins.

Oh and by the way, I can only assume that you're going to alter the r/all algorithm so that r/the_donald isn't going to be seen on r/all ever again? because of diversity in the feed? you don't agree with that subs politics so you're going to continue to censor them? you don't think any of us can see through your facade?

[–]yeahdefinitelynot 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems like every time there's a problem it has to do with some mod that people have had a problem with for ages.

[–]mikey_croatia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whether you agree with r/news’ policies or not, it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators.

Is it acceptable from mods to behave the way they did? This is beyond some "he said, she said" bullshit. Actions need to happen and general community should be aware of those actions. Also, I don't know the exact process of becoming a mod of a default sub, but it is obvious that it needs improvement.

[–]Rasalom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about instead of just saying comment deleted, you put a reason for why it was deleted in place of the deletion? Would save you the hassle of having other users do the same mistake as the person who got deleted in the first place. It would also curb the mods from abusing the system with fast, systemic deletions, and force them to be more thoughtful with their deletions.

[–]mcduck0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

BAN shared moderator accounts!

/u/RNews_Mod NEEDS TO GO.

[–]PrivateChicken 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"One Moderator" sounds like the person who offended the worst has been thrown under the bus to cover everyone else's ass. I want to know that systemic changes have been made so that when I go into a breaking news megathread it's not a graveyard of deleted comments. It's fine if moderators are trying to remove off topic meta complaints about "censorship" or whatever, but I find it hard to believe every comment in that thread needed to be pruned.

This problem could have been avoided if we didn't have just a small group of gatekeepers managing the news source for Reddit. It's a perfect example of why the very concept of defaults is cancer to Reddit itself.

[–]Moii-Celst 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whether you agree with r/news’ policies or not, it is never acceptable to harass users or moderators. Expressing your anger is fine. Sending death threats is not. We will be taking action against users, moderators, posts, and communities that encourage such behavior.

So kind of like this?: https://i.imgur.com/I6duX4r.jpg

You guys have a long goddamn way to go and a lot of cleaning up to do to make this a nice place to be around. You either need better oversight of your mods or more automated tools in place to take care of things like this. It was a terrible mess yesterday. Put in a better system to report and have mods reviewed.

And of /r/news response, it's laughable how terribly disingenuous it was.

Like /u/bernredditdown said below:

That was a pretty terrible response. Your own response is false too:

A few posts were removed incorrectly

They removed everything. Even blood donation information and condolences.

/r/news botched it, you guys botched it too.

We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

So, it's okay to just outright remove helpful posts like this?: https://i.imgur.com/OGaPNij.png

Are you in on it with them or are you blind? This is almost hysterical.

Remove /r/news from default subs and replace the mods. They are untrustworthy and blatantly censored plenty of news and posts where plenty of people were trying to helpfully discuss the topic. They are a team, no matter how many times they want to try and point the finger at one particular moderator. That censorship went on all day when any one of them could have come out and attempted to save face and fix the issue earlier, but did NOT. It's despicable, as a whole.

[–]Vilks_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is exactly what people have been saying would happen. You scapegoat one of the mods, and the rest go free to continue destroying the subreddit.

[–]throwmeawayinalake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

u/spez/ I hope you are more transparent with the algorithms etc... I think most users know the cause for wanting to freshen up r/all


Brigading/Vote manipulation

Reddit is set up in such a way that it promotes brigading. Any community that calls out another community will have people read a post/their post, now has the right to vote up/down on it.

When posts hit all, people who disagree with the sub ideologically and see the post now have the right to upvote/downvote it. It isn't a mass conspiracy, it is the basic nature of the reddit system.

People making anyone else aware of anything else on reddit allows the person to experience that post/subreddit and vote on the content. This can't be punished it is a flawed system.

subreddits that exist only to point out comments or subs by the systems definition exist to perpetuate a brigade as always SOME will vote where they may have never been influenced by the post before.

To fix this you would need:

  • limit who can upvote/downvote to a sub by only those who subscribe to the sub.
  • Moderators need a tool to limit posts to a sub on a timer, such as limited post mode 1post every 10 seconds not just a shut off restricted mode. during high stress and limit the queue of posts during this time to max out at 25.

    • this would allow during high stress events and reposts to cause people to stop and look at new posts and find out they are reposting and can have a discussion in an existing thread.

Default Subs

as they are now need some extra scrutiny and transparency since they are forced subs.

There should be a transparent basic ruleset for a sub wanting default status common sense ones that mods would be accountable for and they should have a robust moderator team or get cut.

can you brigade a default sub? everyone is subbed to it they are the users of the sub now and should have the right to upvote/downvote and when something like this gets pointed out and the focus is on a specific area it will heat up.

I wouldn't use brigading as a defense here as the 'brigade' was more the entire community being outraged/worried as they couldn't get news on what was happening.

and finally in this case

/r/news mods definitely have a political bias as they are human, but they push that bias on to the user base, that is what caused this mess they have suppressed what they consider to be hateful speech and hurt your site with negative press as a result.


[–]Alroni 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the fuck would you get rid of sticky posts? They're a way for moderators of subreddits to bring attention to content they feel is relevant or interesting. Controlling what shows up on /r/all is one thing, but this is a blatant attempt to mess with the affairs of subreddits specifically. You're only making the situation worse.

[–]BearHero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should invest in some professional development training because it was a shit show. The fact that Facebook is breaking such huge news to me when I heavily rely on Reddit is a concerning sign looking ahead. They can say sorry, but what happens during the next big event without proper instruction and only a slap on the wrist?

[–]danweber 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

What do you define as "censorship"? Because there were obviously huge piles of comments that were wiped out.

[–]SellinMelons 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Censorship defeats the purpose of this site. Default mods should not engage in censorship in any fashion, nor should any mods for that matter.

[–]InvalidFileInput 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez,

Can you please make moderation logs publicly viewable across all subreddits, instead of the community needing to rely on user-made tools to do so?

Especially in very large, default subs, it would grant a much greater degree of transparency and help alleviate many of these sorts of complaints in the future.

[–]robbie5325 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/Spez, I'm not trying to argue, I'm just wondering why certain subs aren't allowed to talk about other subs censoring or blocking content? Is it because the sub is dedicated towards something else, would it be okay if there was a sub specifically for that, or is criticism of other subs against the rules?

[–]frigitar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry but "Removing a post incorrectly" = censorship!

Removing a post that factually claims the killer was a certain religion and posts asking for blood donations is censorship! Restoring a post hours later and after worldwide outrage is still censorship! Maybe you, as Reddit admins, hold yourselves to higher standards but what /r/news did, most certainly was censorship.

All mods must take responsibility and the sub should re-earn its default status over time.

You are underestimating how much trust and credibility users have lost in this sub. There cannot be a gray area when it comes to this. You need to set a precedent.

[–]nate1212 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's talk about Orlando r/news

FTFY

[–]kaitco 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could you elaborate more on the algorithm changes to /r/all? Are these changes permanent, or will they be enacted just during major news events?

I'm assuming this is something to keep a single sub from dominating all of /r/all, but I'd like think there was a little more to it.

[–]my_lucid_nightmare 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A few posts were removed incorrectly

That is Bagdad Bob level of misstating fact. Dozens of posts were being deleted in real time, and the reasoning for doing so was pretty ridiculous given reddit's attempt to brand itself as an impartial and open news source.

[–]Safety_Dancer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sending death threats is not. We will be taking action against users, moderators, posts, and communities that encourage such behavior.

So will news be blanket demodded or will it be removed from the defaults? In this age of cyberbullying do you really want the default news subreddit to homophobically erase a terror attack while a "long time, experienced, mod" tells users to kill themselves?

[–]joozian_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

tl;dr we just made some changes to prevent /r/The_Donald from having any posts reach the front page

[–]Birdie4President 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

You mean changing it so that /r/the_donald doesn't dominate the front page anymore.

[–]bmk2k 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

"We will be making it more difficult for /r/The_Donald to hit the frontpage"

FTFY

[–]Rocksbury 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is disgraceful...Blame everyone but yourselves.

The mods who have been called out for months if not years had been confronted with a huge story and they do what we all expected.

If News is not purged you lost any respect some users may have had.

[–]anothercarguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed,

This reads as: suppress certain subreddits that don't tow our line and promote ones that do

Care to elaborate on what subs you are targeting this time?

[–]indianadave 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

As someone who likes to turn on /r/all during times of major news stories, it was extremely frustrating yesterday to see that one sub was dominating the front page with relentless complaint posts and what can only be classified as Upvote manipulation.

While having RES or hiding subs on desktop is fine, I cannot do that on mobile apps easily.

But I wouldn't be complaining if this was an isolated, one day issue. In this election year, everything has become more polarized, and the 3 biggest offenders of content spamming, /r/the_donald , /r/politics , and /r/SandersForPresident have been controlling the front page and top posts of all.

Yesterday wasn't an outlier, it is a signal of things to come, where a small sub or community can completely manipulate the content of the site.

My short term solution would be to remove those three subs (and which ever dominant Hillary Clinton sub should emerge in the coming months, if one does) from inclusion in /r/all, the same way large subs like /r/nfl does.

Breaking news should not be an opportunity for subs to push an agenda. What happened in /r/news was inexcusable, but I'm sure it was a result of the exacerbated pressure from angry people wanting to make an impact on the reddit narrative.

[–]lazyFer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, but you're somewhat full of shit. A for month old account being a mood of /r/news? It was an alt account. What's his other accounts? Only admins can find out for sure but there is already speculation on other accounts this mod had/has.

[–]nice_try_fatty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

The front page of the internet, as decided by us, not you, the voters.

[–]jdw101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lip service. /r/news has been a shitshow for a long time and reddit has supported it wholeheartedly. The only reason we are now getting a response is because it was entirely too egregious. Banning a shared new account won't change anything.

[–]MoreCleverThanEver 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other than the censorship of threads that we restored there was no censorship.

[–]TheCavis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

http://i.imgur.com/muq4NmH.gif

Every post was locked, deleted or a comment graveyard. It's one thing to say that you don't want multiple copies of the same story when moderating, but someone or something was clearly going nuts in the moment trying to keep the front of /r/news free and clear from any stories of the shooting.

We needed an AskReddit thread for updates. They shouldn't be forced to cover for another subreddit's massive failings and people who aren't subscribed to that subreddit shouldn't be forced to dig around to try and figure out why there aren't any news stories on their homepage.

Not only that, but /r/news abandoning the story made /r/the_donald the go-to place for coverage, as it was the only subreddit that had a continuous stream of updates coming in, so it started dominating /r/all.

If you are going to, as a company, promote a subreddit as the place for news by giving them default status, they must demonstrate a certain level of competence during a gigantic news story. If they can't, Reddit admins must either take steps to ensure that they will be competent in the future or remove them as the default location for news stories.

One fall guy, a couple of tweaks to stop bridgading (which addresses the response to the whitewashing but not the actual whitewashing) and some /r/all algorithm tweaks (unless deleted posts are going to stay in /r/all, that seems irrelevant; also, I tend to browse my homepage or the default homepage, not /r/all)... you haven't really done anything. You haven't even identified the problem.

[–]spndl1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's nice that those posts were restored, now that they're irrelevant or other posts with the same information were finally allowed to stay up because of the ridiculous shitstorm, but what about the future?

Heaven forbid, if a situation like this happens again, and /r/news (or any default) actively suppresses information, is reddit prepared to do more than just make a post about the terrible event being terrible and then chiding its users for being mean to the people suppressing the information?

I'm disappointed in this post. /r/news acted inappropriately and actively hindered rescue and clean up efforts by deleting quality posts and comments. Maybe the users did act out of line, but tempers run hot in a bad situation and the users that wanted to help were unable to do so, which is incredibly frustrating.

Maybe reddit did do some 'internal investigating' and found no fault of /r/news. Your users disagree and I am personally requesting any kind of proof that there was no censoring done by /r/news. I have nothing to go on but your word, and your word means nothing to me. The onus of innocence is on reddit after seeing the events unfold in real time. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I need more proof that it's not a duck than a statement of "we looked into it, that's not a duck."

Additionally, do you care to comment on why /r/askreddit was the place to find information on the event in the immediate aftermath while /r/news was still employing a scorched earth, I'm sorry, removing 'a few' posts, policy? That subreddit should not have needed to have anything to do with the event other than maybe an acknowledgement. Luckily, they stepped in where others would not.

[–]dawkholiday 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

All /r/news mods should be removed or you need to give them a set amount of time to be a moderator and then they are out on that sub. We need to be able to vote them out or something. You have minimized what happened this weekend.

[–]StrangerJ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao literally everything you are changing is to stop /r/The_donald from being so popular on all

[–]TailSpectrum 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

Good, fuck /r/The_Donald and their brigading.

[–]HrBerg 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that the new sticky thing is a good idea. For example, /r/rarepuppers, one of my favorite subs, frequently stickies user's posts that are deemed worthy, a sort of 'mvp of the day' type of recognition.

[–]rastapasta9 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

So you're going to limit /r/The_Donald

[–]Handlifethrowaway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a shitshow. Redditors aren't as dumb as you think they are. Keep it up and this site will crumble from within. The biggest threat to this site isn't the users, or /r/The_Donald, it's you and your lies.

[–]BandaGun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So in other words....

Nothing to see here, fuck /r/the_donald

[–]SerTinfoil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again, what happened in Orlando is horrible, and above all, we need to keep things in perspective.

Excellent and mature point right here. Perspective is deeply lacking on this website.

[–]SSJ3_DONALD_TRUMP 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We have seen the accusations of censorship. We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[–]kekforever 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

One moderator did cross the line with their behavior, and is no longer a part of the team.

STORY TIME PLEASE

[–]zz_z 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It seems like most of your post is about how you are going to use this tragedy as a chance to punish the donald, I can't stand that sub but I don't think this is an appropriate response either.

This is a really disappointing response to the events that unfurled last weekend.

[–]hiero_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

Translation: We are going to minimize posts from /r/The_Donald appearing on /r/all

Fucking finally.

[–]UGotAutism 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are working on a change to the r/all[5] algorithm to promote more diversity in the feed, which will help provide more variety of viewpoints and prevent vote manipulation.

LOL

[–]IrbyTumor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is with /r/news anyone can go to unreddit or goldf1sh and see what was removed. A lot of the removed posts had nothing visibly wrong with them and the common interpretation is that the redditor was expressing a thoughtcrime not currently in vogue with the editors of /r/news.

People are allowed to reject and criticize a religion. When that religion has adherents that commit acts of terror, we are allowed to mock and openly reject their belief. What's odd is that criticism of their hate is classified as hate by /r/news mods. You can't even react to someone killing us without being called a racist.

But that's not what is really going on here. /r/news has been caught trying to control the narrative. Most redditors can agree that we can make up our own mind without their interference. People annoyed with the meddling by /r/news might want to consider /r/qualitynews as an alternative.

[–]SonicFrost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it possible for default subreddits to have open modlogs? That way, people will be able to see what is being hidden from their front pages, if they decide to look through it.

[–]JustAnotherPer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have investigated, and beyond the posts that are now restored, have not found evidence to support these claims.

"We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong".

[–]xBigChillinx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

An amazing bunch of entitled bigots in here.

Reddit WILL NOT be your platform for launching wars on religion.

If you can't deal with that, fucking leave. We'll throw a party.

[–]cranphi 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I THINK we (Reddit) learned something from Boston. I can only hope that we can learn something from this as users AND as mods/admins. r/news and Reddit as a whole is/was SUPPOSED to be the new standard for news consumption. As a user, I counted on being able to come there, find the absolute latest information uncensored on whatever was happening. Then as a human being, do my due diligence and weed thru the flotsam and jetsam and find the greater truth. This weekend, Reddit failed me and failed us all in that respect. As mods and admins you absolutely cannot pay this transgression lip service, that is, if we all want to learn something from this and get better. Information and access to that information is now more important than ever. And yes, its more important than feelings. Be what we need you to be reddit and r/news or we will find what we all want and need elsewhere. It's entirely up to you.