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Bianca's message to the offended #BiancaGate (instagram.com)

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[–]YoGirlShaniquaMy sister had a big cock - Davenport, Kennedy, 2k16 42ポイント43ポイント  (39子コメント)

I didn't find her that offensive (i mean, it was pretty offensive but its Bianca), i just didn't like the hypocrisy from the fans compared to Tyra-gate.

[–]nikkysanI will. Never cry. Mphf. Over you. At all. 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

It should be worth noting that there are no news articles about this at all, compared to many about the Tyra incident.

[–]highwayuniShe screeched and shook her flat wig wildly 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

"REVOKE TYRAS CROWN" was absolutely pathetic.

[–]YoGirlShaniquaMy sister had a big cock - Davenport, Kennedy, 2k16 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Totally, it was just another excuse for Raven stans to shit on Tyras existence....... like they hadn't done that before.

[–]mrsflowersChi Chi DeVayne 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ew, did we really do that??

[–]highwayuniShe screeched and shook her flat wig wildly 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, a petition was made and everything.

[–]kokovesgender fucked-up drug queen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

wow

[–]LuckyWriterMichelle Visage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah...if Sharon hasn't lost her crown for all the fucked up shit she did, I think Tyra's crown is fine. :P

[–]ThomseniteBob the Drag Queen 12ポイント13ポイント  (23子コメント)

Honestly I don't see how liking drag queens and being easily offended can even go together. That's what you get when fans just know drag from a tv show I guess.

[–]thedybbuk 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

I just don't see how, in this case, drag and the insults are even related. It would be one thing if this was at one of Bianca's shows, where you know what you're getting into. She can pull you on stage and read you at any time; it's part of the show. But this is not at a show, I doubt Bianca was even in drag during this. There has to be some line between when this is acceptable and when it's not. Why should the girl who was told she was fat for no reason just accept it because Bianca's a comedy queen? Does Bianca just get to insult anyone she wants, at any time, in any way just because she's a drag queen? Where is the line between when insults are part of the act and just mean spirited and unwelcome?

It's like people believe in the drag version of "license to kill." It's "license to insult" in any context and no one can say anything about it or they "don't get drag/comedy."

[–]BrokeWhoreganI'm serving #TheBestICanDoRightNowInThisSituation 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not about the act or her drag/comedy being directly related to her comments. To be a fan of drag is to be a fan of purposefully offensive shit. Drag, historically, is NOT a bunch of cute dudes playing dress up for attention. It is, historically, performance art intended to shock, to offend, to make the audience ask hard questions about society and themselves. It is a celebration of freedom of expression and the idea that life is NOT that serious, and if you're offended by a man in a dress then that is on YOU for taking shit so seriously. A long time ago when there was no RPDR, no gay rights, no challenging of gender roles... drag was absolutely the most SHOCKING and TASTELESS thing you could do, and that was the point of it.

To be in support of the message of drag, and also feel that jokes about suicide are too far, is confusing to me. I don't know how those two mindsets can live in harmony... unless, of course, you see drag as a bunch of cute dudes playing dress up for attention and nothing more.

I'm not remotely a fan of what Bianca said, or Tyra for that matter... I think it sucks to talk to other humans that way. But to stage some kind of uprising like she is literally causing people to kill themselves and she's somehow responsible for anyone else's feelings and actions is taking shit too seriously, to me.

[–]thedybbuk 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I respect that that's where drag comes from. And like I said, if these people are at a Bianca performance and Bianca read them, it would be completely different for me. In that case, it's part of how Bianca does drag, and you should have expected it. But I just can't subscribe to the idea that to be a drag queen/fan of drag you have to think any insult, at any time, in any context is funny and appropriate. There has to be SOME line. I think calling a random girl online who simply disagreed with you (politely) fat and telling her to lose weight is one of them. Being a drag queen doesn't give Bianca the right to insult everyone in any way she sees fit.

[–]BrokeWhoreganI'm serving #TheBestICanDoRightNowInThisSituation -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't think it was funny OR appropriate, you don't have to either... but the idea that there is a 'line' for offensiveness that is universal and cannot be crossed is the part that I think directly opposes the nature of drag and subculture as a whole. You can have your own personal lines, for me Bianca crossed my lines too and I wasn't into it at all. But MY lines have nothing to do with her. They do not have a greater responsibility to be sensitive and PC as drag queens, actually quite the opposite. Ultimately one of the many messages of drag is 'your comfort levels are not my problem'.

I personally thought what she said sucked, but that's about all there has to be to it, trying to take her to task for crossing boundaries that don't belong to her is where it gets silly, to me. She has the 'right' to call a girl fat just like she has the right to get in a dress, maybe it offends somebody but that's their business, not hers. That's the point.

You can opt in or out of liking it, but that's about the extent of the public's role in Bianca's personal choices to be offensive in a myriad of ways.

[–]godiegoKimono You Didn't: Murasaki's Journey I'm Still Here 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

there are various lines between Bianca reading someone at a show, Sharon using racial slurs and Nazi imagery, and Bianca just straight up telling someone that they're fat and to kill themselves on insta.

if Bianca had actually been clever (you know, like throwing some shade or actually reading), i'd probably care less-- if at all. but no, this wasn't creative. it wasn't funny. and it's not even a matter of 'i'm offended,' so much as it was just tactless and un-funny.

[–]BrokeWhoreganI'm serving #TheBestICanDoRightNowInThisSituation 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I totally agree with every single thing you said. It was tactless and unfunny. All I'm saying is, the fact that I feel that way is not her obligation to make right, or apologize for. That's the part I disagree with when the moral outrage of the week occurs with whatever queen.

[–]godiegoKimono You Didn't: Murasaki's Journey I'm Still Here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

if it were a comment or remark at her show then yes, be unapologetic. since that's not the case i think it's a reasonable obligation for her to apologize (though it does not have to be public). and it doesn't even have to be some next level apology, it could be as simple as: 'i took it too far. i'm sorry.'

realizing you fucked up and went too far and should apologize, that's being professional.

[–]BrokeWhoreganI'm serving #TheBestICanDoRightNowInThisSituation 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would go a long way in my personal opinion of her if she apologized, it's kind of unreal to me that she spoke that way to someone, especially in someone else's instagram comments of all fucking places...

I just disagree with the idea that she has a greater obligation to fans or the public to be better, more palatable person or whatever. I don't like that concept in general, but especially when it's coming from fans of drag and counter culture, as the concepts and values seem to be in direct opposition to me.

EDIT: I feel like I've said as much of my piece as I can think of to say, haha. I disagree with you guys but I'm not taking it personal or anything. It's a complicated topic when someone we all admired so much pulls some shit like telling people to kill themselves on social media... lots of different but totally understandable perspectives.

[–]OnceinalifetimerYaz 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

So liking drag queens means you can't be offended or irritated by rude behavior?

[–]ThomseniteBob the Drag Queen -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You don't have to like it, but offended? 5G's girl

[–]OnceinalifetimerYaz 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am not offended AT ALL....but I can understand why people would be annoyed by a grown man telling people to commit suicide and eat less. Which has nothing to do with drag culture.

[–]bysummerfallBob the Drag Queen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't get what people don't understand about this lol.

[–]CupcakePartyChi Chi DeVayne -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gurl...

[–]otommyboy22 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was camp.

[–]Pattsmear 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you told them you could do glamour and you were high fashion...

[–]OnceinalifetimerYaz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know right?...going off on Insta

[–]iloveamsterdam 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Indeed. Drag Race is creating a Disney version of the drag queens image. They have no idea that all of them can be pretty ruthless.

[–]kokovesgender fucked-up drug queen 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're being downvoted, but what you said is the truth.

I guess the majority of RPDR fans have never been to an actual drag show and/or didn't even knew drag queens before.

If your only exposure to the art of drag is the specific show, shit can get problematic.

[–]webby686Chi Chi DeVayne 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a product or Ru's own creation which has now gotten out of her control. Like with the Shemale-gate, Ru was stubbornly holding on that word and was not relinquishing. I think drag from the 80s and 90s had to be a lot more subversive because gays were still much more oppressed and queens were living through the AIDS crisis and had to make light of dark subjects. There wasn't time to get so hung up on words. There was much more urgency.

[–]OdinichkaDon't like me? Don't care. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen

[–]OdinichkaDon't like me? Don't care. -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Praise Jeebus.....someone else coming to my point of view.

(And now people will downvote and say "Hateful cunt" at their computer screens)

[–]Wallace_Grover<3 Horchata Barry -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the Shemail debacle.

[–]ultradav24 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello, yes. Besides, this was a one-off comment on some other queen's instagram photo, it wasn't part of her act or one of her statuses. It's only because of the reddit stalkers we even know about it.

[–]Gamer10123김치 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have to admit though, the Tyra situation was a bit different... At first it wasn't a huge deal--she just told someone to kill herself and then some people mentioned how that was kind of an inappropriate reaction. If I recall correctly, most people thought she probably just was in a bad mood and said something insensitive, but it wasn't a huge deal.

It became a huge deal when she started going on a Twitter rampage that lasted for a long time, telling everyone to kill themselves left and right, and finally releasing multiple statements in which she said she believes actual suicide is indeed selfish and even pretty much mocked people who have committed it. I think what Bianca said was insensitive, but it's definitely not the same as Tyra-gate.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. When she said that from the very beginning she had a lot of messages and reddit drama over her first reply to the hater. So don't, she only continued to talk about it because people wasn't getting over of sending her more hate on twitter.

[–]Gamer10123김치 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Girl, people always get hate on Twitter, and it was inevitable she was gonna get some hate for it. I meant that people here weren't going super crazy about it until after the rampage. Yes, there of course was some Reddit drama too, but it was probably going to blow over quickly if she had just quit talking about it. My point was she didn't handle it well. She should have just let it blow over, but instead she just made it worse.