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Orlando Discussion Thread (self.SRSDiscussion)

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Posting this in the hope of having a space to talk about this horrible crime without an endless torrent of smug racism and sudden inexplicable care for the lives of LGBT people.

There's reporting going on that the shooter was influenced by propaganda spread over the Web but I can't imagine there's been time to fully confirm that. Fortunately the other high profile arrest doesn't seem to be connected; coordinated attacks are a terrifying prospect.

This is just the most heartwrenching event. I hope all your loved ones are safe. I'm so sorry if they aren't.

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[–]jbob2011 31ポイント32ポイント  (9子コメント)

How typical the media waited until there were ISIS affiliations to call it terrorism. It was an act of domestic terrorism from the get to. I stand in solidarity with the lgbtq community after this terrible act of hate, as well as the Muslim community as they withstand the horrors of islamophobia.

[–]Skyarrow 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

The media has been really bad in reporting this news, some outlets are focusing solely on the shooter's links to ISIS and not even mentioning that this was a hate crime against the LGBT community. Even Florida's Governer conveniently didn't mention that this was a crime against the gay community in his address.

[–]cheerful_cynic 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not to mention that it was Latin night, can't wait to hear the neocons flub around both the gay and the Latin thing

[–]Skyarrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hadn't heard that yet. Goes to show how everyone's trying to use this to marginalize Muslims while ignoring the other minorities.

[–]piyochama 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus there were other instances of attempted domestic terror as well today - one man was stopped on his way to shoot up a California (San Bernardino, I believe) pride parade and there are reports of increased police activity in New York City (that has since been confirmed), particularly around GSM spots. While the Mayor attempts to state that there are no credible threats, I no longer believe that's the case.

[–]SpiveyArms 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the media just using the discrepancy between strict definitions and wide definitions to spin the story the direction they want it to go.

[–]sayer_of_things 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I recall correctly, there was a Washington Post article that quoted the shooter's father as saying that he was noticeably disgusted by two men showing romantic affection for each other in public. So if that is correct, he was clearly previously homophobic. He also had a clear propensity for violence, as his ex-wife testified to.

I can't claim to be the world's biggest fan of theism - or of Islam in particular - but there were clearly some major pre-existing problems here. He just sounds like the kind of unstable fertile ground ISIS-type radicalization loves to root in.

[–]Batsy22 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm really just not okay right now. It hurts to see how casually people are talking about this when people in my community are getting killed. I wish I had more to say but I just don't.

[–]kurashiki 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel you. I'm not even part of the main demographic of the shooting (most of the victims were Black and/or Latinx, I'm Asian), but the homo- and transphobic nature of the crime and the fact that it's yet again the most vulnerable of our LGBT siblings suffering is wearing me down so hard today. I know it's important to defend innocent muslims, but I'm just... this isn't anything to "discuss" for my friends and me, and I'm sure it's the same for many other LGBT folks... We just need a grieving thread, not a discussion thread.

[–]Protanope 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Redditors in /r/lgbt were being harassed and PMed hateful shit today. I don't get human beings.

We're just in this ugly place where people will feel terrible and sad for one day and then go back to giving the mildest of fucks the next. I hate that we're in a society where caring about things like equality are socially unacceptable. Think bad things are happening? You're just a SJW. Dismissed.

[–]CandiwithanI 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like this, to me: when someone like the Jonesboro Slayers who were raised as conservative Christians shoot up a school, there is deflection. When atheists shoot up Columbine, it's "those weird kids". When a domestic Muslim who has been radicalized online or has self-radicalized shoots up someplace, suddenly it's all of us.

Yet the very people who eat this sort of thing up and who are always looking for conspiracies everywhere fail to notice any sort of bias or manipulation by conservative media. They gleefully consume whatever media fuels their biases and ignore that which does not. It's disturbing how little critical thought they entertain.

[–]SorryIAmFourEels 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even more disturbing how they proclaim to be the leaders of free thought and see themselves as the only ones who are woke

[–]minimuminim[M] 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

As an addendum: we will not tolerate Islamophobia in the guise of caring for LGBT people; such comments will be removed and their posters banned. We love and support our queer Muslim siblings too.

[–]allthebees 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love, solidarity, and support to all my queer and muslim siblings (and queer muslim siblings) affected by the awful shit happening today. For those of us in London - who feel able/safe enough to come - there's a vigil being held on Old Compton Street tomorrow at about 7 (also I think maybe a balloon release too).

Please please everyone look after yourselves, and have a happy and safe pride month (and Ramadan Mubarak) despite this