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[AU] Impatience can be dangerous. (youtube.com)

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[–]bburgg1023 106ポイント107ポイント  (76子コメント)

Car shouldn't have tried to pass, but there's nothing worse then 2 trucks going the same speed right next to each other on the highway blocking everyone

[–]xanif 57ポイント58ポイント  (70子コメント)

Looks like the truck in the right lane is passing the truck in the left but is limited by a governor.

[–]boxjohn 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

yeah the real dick is the guy in the left lane who won't slow down even by 1-2kph to help that painfully slow pass go a little faster

[–]Zeifer 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

the real dick is the one who tried to overtake in the first place when his speed differential is so small. Why should the guy in left lane have to slow down to assist somebody doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

[–]boxjohn 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

as others have pointed out, when you're talking the distances involved in the Outback that difference is huge. 0.6mph (the approximate passing speed someone calculated here) for a 10 hour day of driving leaves you a whopping 6 miles ahead at the end of a day. Enough time to have had your dinner served by the time the other guy rolls in.

Slowing down by 1mph for, say, 2 minutes to allow this pass to be completed in reasonable time results in a loss measured in yards at the end of the day.

I've never driven the Outback but do a lot of 2-5 hour trips on the Windsor-Ottawa corridor. You learn real fast that someone you're barely pulling away from at the start of the trip will usually be late enough reaching their destination that you can be checked into your hotel room and comfortable before they get there.

For instance, if you drive from Toronto to Montreal at 100kph (nominal speed limit/slow lane travel speed) it takes 5 hours and 24 minutes. If you drive there at a mere 5kph faster, you're now arriving in 5 hours and 8 minutes. Definitely big enough to be the difference between late and on time.

For an Aussie example, one of the most common Road Train routes is between Katherine and Broome. 1,550 KM. If you travel it at 100kmh (the speed limit for a Road Train) it'll take you 15 hours and 33 minutes. If you're stuck behind someone who averages a mere 2kmh less, it'll takes you 15 hours and 52 minutes. Again, easily the difference between early and late. Oh and from the car's perspective? If they DON'T get stuck behind a road train and average a very reasonable 125kmh, it'll takes them only 12 hours and 26 minutes.

So yeah

[–]Zeifer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sorry, saving yourself a bit of time is not justification for being a selfish jerk. 6miles you say? So all of 5-10minutes then. The German's have the right idea, it's illegal to pass unless you have at least a 10kph speed differential, as it should be.

[–]boxjohn 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

the Outback is a whole different set of rules compared to Germany, for good reason.

[–]Zeifer -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nope, sorry, overtaking with a very minor speed differential which inconveniences other road users is universally and globally a jerk selfish move.

[–]CaptainGoAudi Owner and Cyclist 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, so is overtaking on the shoulder and spinning out in front of the guy you're overtaking. Waiting for a truck to finish overtaking would also take only 5-10 minutes too. Which as you've said yourself isn't a significant amount of time.

The trucker is a bit of a dick, but he's not the one in the wrong.

[–]Zeifer 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

But he is in the wrong for overtaking in the first place, and creating the frustration. There is more than one person in the wrong in this video.

Which as you've said yourself isn't a significant amount of time.

No. 5-10 minutes later arrival time when your doing say a 14hour journey as the trucker isn't a significant amount of time. To suggest taking 5-10 minutes to complete an overtake is reasonable and a comparable situation is a strawman and is obscene. 5-10 minutes is a big deal if you come across one of these selfish truckers on what should be a short journey. Worse when this behaviour is left unchecked you can encounter the same situation repeatedly on a single short journey.

[–]harrykanestesticles -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually, I think you'll find the real dick is the guy trying to pass on the grass.

[–]Zeifer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I call him the secondary dick. He wouldn't have been a dick if it wasn't for the primary dick. The primary dick's dickish behaviour encouraged the additional dickishness of the secondary dick.

[–]Justinw303 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't believe you are being shat on by the losers here for suggesting that a truck should be allowed to use the passing lane to pass another truck.

[–]vlasvilneous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because people who bitch and moan about "passing lane hoggers" are hypocritical jackasses.

[–]thehighground 28ポイント29ポイント  (52子コメント)

Then he shouldn't be trying to pass

[–]FrankToast 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think the truck on the far left is also partially at fault. If you're in a truck and someone is passing you and is limited by a governor, then you should slow down a little.

[–]bdm800 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Australia articulated trucks are limited to 100kph, slowing down can cause substantial delays as it can take a long time to get back upto speed.

[–]FrankToast 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't have to be much. You can slow down 10-15 kph and the guy passing you will still be going that much faster.

[–]xanif 18ポイント19ポイント  (41子コメント)

Why not? He's making progress. Just because he doesn't pass at the rate you would like doesn't mean he's not passing.

[–]mikeash 67ポイント68ポイント  (37子コメント)

Passing a big truck with another big truck at a 1MPH speed differential takes forever. It provides essentially no advantage to the passer, while causing lots of trouble for the people behind. It may be legal but it's a dick move. Staying behind the other truck and matching their speed won't make you appreciably later.

[–]mkyblu 32ポイント33ポイント  (10子コメント)

Have you been to Australia? We are talking enormous distances between cities where overtaking other trucks is simply what is required. That rate of difference of speed is extremely important with our road laws.

The truck drivers are monitored by cameras that ensure they only work a certain number of hours in a given period of time, so maximising your distance travelled in that time is absolutely essential. We don't have a good enough rail network between cities here, so essentially all of our freight goes by road. The trucks are the absolute majority on these outback roads, so it's their road - you're just driving on it.

That fuckwit in the station wagon is lucky he's not dead - you have to have patience on these roads.

[–]mikeash -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I really doubt that overtaking when there's a 0.6MPH speed differential is required. It's not going to make an appreciable difference to your arrival time, especially since it's not a constant ongoing forever thing.

[–]Waizujin 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your speed difference keeps going down.

[–]mikeash -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, it went down once, and only because I started with a rough eyeballed estimate, but then did a rough calculation.

[–]bdm800 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

It sure does, When your traveling from say Perth WA, to Melbourne VIC its approximately 3400km, at 100kph it would take 34hrs, at 5km less (95kph) it would take 35h 47m.

Little changes in speed make a big difference over long trips.

[–]mikeash 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And at 1kph less (approximately the speed differential displayed in this video) it would take 34 hours and 21 minutes. Insignificant for a journey that takes a day and a half.

I have no problem at all with trucks passing each other because of a 5kph speed difference. But 1kph is getting ridiculous unless there's nobody else around.

[–]_nothing_to_say_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't seem to be a 5k differential though. It's been roughly estimated to 0.6 mph so 0.96 difference. Assume they were doing 100 and the other guy is governed to 99, the difference results to a saving of 20 minutes (34 hours vs. 34.343434). Choose a better overtaking point and you'll lose a few minutes potentially not a few hours.

[–]bdm800 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You need to also take into account hills and other trucks, that may of been the only flat bit for the next 10 minutes where it would of been capable of passing and depending on load the other one may of been going as fast as it could (roadtrains take about 3mins to get from 0-100).

Its a common occurrence on the outback roads that cars wait a minute or two as they can accelerate a lot faster afterwards causing minimal loss of time for them.

Also the drivers have very tight schedules due to driving limits, along the highways there are areas called safe-t-cams. These photograph the driver and vehicle to monitor driving times. if they dont make it past the camera in time they have to have a mandated break. For example a 1200km trip from Border Village East to Crafers East requires a 12hr break, add that to a 14hr trip and your going to be very late. Theres also Heavy vehicle inspection bays that they must stop at if open.

[–]GiveMeNotTheBoots -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was doing more than that, come on, don't be silly. He'd have got past him in another minute or so at the most, dipshit driver was just being unreasonably impatient.

The truckers weren't doing anything wrong.

[–]mikeash 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

A typical tractor trailer is about 60ft long. The cammer took about 35 seconds to go from the midpoint of the other truck to the front. That's 35 seconds to go about 30ft, which is 0.86 feet/second or roughly 0.6MPH.

[–]NonyoSC 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

A minute? Not hardly. I have been behind two dipshits like this in the video with another 200-300 cars stuck behind them. I timed it once and it was 15 minutes. That's almost 20 miles of following asshats doing this. Douchebags probably think it's funny to have a 5 mile line up of cars behind them.

[–]BenjaminSisko 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

in this video it took him 1 minute to make up 2-3 meters. Don't be ridiculous

[–]GiveMeNotTheBoots 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, wouldn't have taken much more than another minute for that truck to get past, not a big deal, trucker wasn't doing anything wrong there.

[–]assholes_idiots 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Progress? What progress?

They were snail racing...

[–]BenjaminSisko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh come the fuck on, it would have taken him the best part of two minutes to pass that truck. Complete wankery

[–]mulduvar2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's bunk yo.

[–]thehighground 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it's got a governor to limit it's speed then it will take forever to pass and cause a logjam of traffic behind them, he's just as big an ass as the car driver is a moron.

[–]Zeifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/xanif /u/Justinw303 /u/vlasvilneous

You don't have to drive on the limiter. If the only reason for wanting to pass is due to an extremely minor difference in calibration of the limiter, you shouldn't be trying to pass in the first place, just stay behind. Anything else is being a selfish dick.

[–]mightybonk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

but there's nothing worse...

How about crashing into a ditch?

[–]will_code_for_free 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It sucks balls when two trucks are dueling it out but I just remember that this is literally their job. The road is literally their workplace. It's not always pretty but I try not to make their workday any harder than it needs to be. And every once in a blue moon it's just the truckers being bros cause there's a speed trap ahead.

[–]HelpingOutPops 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That happened to me once. I was getting annoyed at a truck in the left lane making it impossible to pass despite the fact he was gaining on the right-lane truck by something like 3 inches per minute. After several minutes stuck behind him, we passed a speed trap. The way I'd been driving that day, I'd have been on the hook, well, literally. I was doing 100+ on a lot of those stretches and if a cop had seen me going that fast I would have been arrested and towed. Never complained since.