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[Breaking News] Orlando Nightclub mass-shooting.Breaking News (self.AskReddit)

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Over 50 people have been killed, and over 50 more injured at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL. CNN link to story

Use this thread to discuss the events, share updated info, etc. Please be civil with your discussion and continue to follow /r/AskReddit rules.

Helpful Info:

Orlando Hospitals are asking that people donate blood and plasma as they are in need, here's a link to blood donation centers in Florida. If someone has a better link, feel free to share and I'll update this one.

FBI Tip Line: 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324)

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[–]Motha_Effin_Kitty_Yo[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (132子コメント)

Just a reminder, we are not trying to censor discussion, but any rulebreaking comments that attempt to doxx or attempt a brigade will be removed and may lead to a ban. Cheers

[–]PizzaHutPoptarts 5033ポイント5034ポイント  (2009子コメント)

Worst mass shooting in US history

[–]Agastopia 966ポイント967ポイント  (163子コメント)

It's now officially the worst shooting in US history.

:(

[–]HCJohnson [スコア非表示]  (60子コメント)

For some reason, that I can't even explain, when I heard that the Orlando Mayor declared a State of Emergency it really sunk in.

It's terrible, but you have to give all of the rescue works/police extreme credit. From the things I read the shooter had no plans on letting anyone in the club live.

It's something that just makes you feel numb and sad. Thoughts are with all the people affected by this tragedy.

[–]PacSan300 [スコア非表示]  (74子コメント)

I think the previous worst one was the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007. I remember shaking my head at news of that one, but this one I just can't comprehend why this keeps happening.

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    [–]zykezero 1054ポイント1055ポイント  (1032子コメント)

    I'm surprised this wasn't at the top. I open reddit and didn't read the first link assuming it would have been this and I was wrong.

    edit: I didn't think this was going to be controversial... We shouldn't jump to conclusions at any point at any situation. I don't know any of the context so thats all I'm going to say.

    [–]whovian42 [スコア非表示]  (918子コメント)

    /r/news was censoring coverage.

    [–]SonicRoof [スコア非表示]  (839子コメント)

    Why?!

    Edit: /r/news - unsubscribed

    [–]throwaway_needshelp1 [スコア非表示]  (367子コメント)

    I don't know but any threads covering the shooting were locked, even ones with hundreds of comments.

    EDIT: Unsubscribed from r/news as well. It's ridiculous that we're seeing this news from /r/AskReddit.

    [–]Trajan_ [スコア非表示]  (173子コメント)

    Because it involves Islam and Gays obviously.

    [–]yawaworht1989 [スコア非表示]  (98子コメント)

    The shooters father stated that the shooter Omar was upset when he saw two men kissing somewhere in Miami and that perhaps caused him to do what he did. But then again, he's not gonna go out there and say that it involves Islam either.

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        [–]definitelynotweather [スコア非表示]  (111子コメント)

        They weren't at first. The story was on the front page when it started to come out but as soon as they found out who the shooter was they started censoring the hell out of everything.

        [–]gangstarapMAIDmeDoit [スコア非表示]  (66子コメント)

        who was the shooter? What was so significant about him?

        [–]definitelynotweather [スコア非表示]  (35子コメント)

        Omar Mateen. US citizen living in St. Lucie County with Afghan parents. Possibility Islamic extremist with potential ties to international terror groups. I'm still wading through FBI stuff to figure out what's real and what's just rumor.

        [–]DrRazmataz [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

        He is/was Muslim. And suddenly they censor everything.

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            [–]Vice_Admiral_Crunch [スコア非表示]  (64子コメント)

            they've been doing it for a while with anything to do with radical Islamic terrorism and right side politics in general. IIRC there is a major conflict of interest with some of the mods. They might just be trying to reduce the chance of a witch hunt but it sure as hell looks like censorship to me.

            [–]treycartier91 [スコア非表示]  (50子コメント)

            Because the FBI announced his name is Omar Mateen, from Afghanistan, and has Islamic ties.

            And that's racist to say or something.

            [–]shapendo [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

            Thing is, even if I don't have any stake in these discussions of how religions relate to violence... it sure is newsworthy to mention the religion because it will heavily influence the aftermath and reactions on this (it might even influence the voting pattern in the upcoming US elections). To say his religion must be hidden is to treat me as an islamophobe who needs to be spoonfed what I can "stomach". It hints at a total disassociation of your user base, too. And just makes people go look elsewhere for news...

            Thanks to AskReddit for opening this thread!

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              [–]nikktheconqueerer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              They're deleting muting and banning anyone who posts about the mass shooting because the shooter has Islamic ties

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                [–]bearsimbibingbaboons [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                is censoring coverage

                They're actively deleting what I can only estimate is hundreds of comments.

                Every thread about it is a ghost town, and you're only allowed to speak your mind in their designated thread...even then, you better not say anything the mods wouldn't say themselves.

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                  [–]PM_me_Venn_diagrams [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

                  The mods censored it.

                  This is the first time Ive seen both liberals AND conservatives so pissed about something. Both the liberal subs AND Donald Trumps subs both have the censorship as their top post right now.

                  Not the shooting itself, but how the mods of /r/news censored it.

                  First time Ive ever seen both sides this pissed about the same thing.

                  [–]Jingr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  That should go a long way in how we Americans cherish our right to free speech, free press, and freedom of information.

                  I'm still disgusted by what has happened in Orlando, and Im equally as disgusted by the actions of people trying to control speech in such a blatant, arrogant manner.

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                      [–]kilo73 [スコア非表示]  (49子コメント)

                      And I'm hearing about in on /r/AskReddit .

                      Reddit is pathetic now. I used hear about breaking news as soon as it happened. Now my wife is beating me to the punch with her Facebook feed. FUCKING FACEBOOK.

                      I don't know what the problem is but the admins need to get their shit together, or I'm going to have to find another site to get my news from.

                      [–]cart1yn [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

                      I wouldn't be surprised if r/news loses default status over this. They are censoring discussion of a serious tragedy because of their political views. Though it doesn't matter why they're doing it, the fact is that THE default news subreddit is not allowing discussion of the absolutely most newsworthy event right now. I suspect the admins will do something in response.

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                        [–]Enverex 2016ポイント2017ポイント  (343子コメント)

                        And completely censored on Reddit...

                        [–]calicotrinket [スコア非表示]  (204子コメント)

                        /r/news decided that posts for the shooting need to be locked and contents nuked. Good job, mods over there.

                        Also got muted for asking why they've censored the news.

                        Edit: If you want to stick it to the mods there for censorship, best bet is to unsub.

                        [–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

                        Was reading about this about 2 hours ago, went to do other things, my friend told me the death toll is up to 50 now, went back on reddit to read about it and had to keep scrolling down and down and down...

                        [–]calicotrinket [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                        I can see they're actively removing threads for it...

                        [–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                        Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

                        Gays, guns, Muslims, terror, we have pretty much everything contentious topic in this country in one event, of course it's going to be a shit storm.

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                            [–]Bigred2989 [スコア非表示]  (118子コメント)

                            I emailed the Reddit admits about this and ended it pleading they don't ban me for asking. This is terrifying.

                            Edit: my message to the news admins was something along the lines of "why are so many threads being locked". That was met with a "you have been muted and cannot message the admin". My email to the Reddit admins is the following:

                            Inquiry into the situation regarding /r/news and apparent censorship

                            I opened up Reddit this morning to news about a mass shooting in Orlando, Florida and saw that on /r/news, any thread about it was locked and comments were being removed. I messaged the admins to find out why and was immediately muted from messaging them for 72 hours. All I wanted to know is what was going on and the only thing I can find from other boards (ones with a politically right mindset) mentions of the shooters religion and reports from the press and FBI are being removed. I can only assume Reddit will have some sort of press release or announcement about this soon. Given how I was treated by the admins on /r/news, I feel I need to end this email with a request you don't ban my account just for asking what is going on. I am generally frightened by this behavior.

                            Thank you

                            I'll post a reply if I ever get one.

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                              [–]KingJewffrey [スコア非表示]  (49子コメント)

                              Reddit needs to fire some moderators, /r/news and /r/worldnews are worse than /r/pyongyang right now. Totally legitimate comments are being deleted, people being banned for just asking why so many comments have been removed. It's like the mods are 12 year olds.

                              edit: I know mods are volunteers, volunteers can still be fired.

                              [–]84ndn [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                              Bizarre that it can found here in an askreddit thread - unbelievable

                              [–]boohuscared [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

                              They've been banning/removing anything linking the attack to terror/ any reference of the attackers religion/motivations. Very disappointing actions by the mods in several subreddits.

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                                [–]roastedbagel[S] 507ポイント508ポイント  (110子コメント)

                                Fuck terrorism.

                                [–]Krieg-The-Psycho1 258ポイント259ポイント  (206子コメント)

                                And it was by a security guard with no criminal history

                                http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-concealed-carry-license-security-license-florida/

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                                  [–]Longstory_Longer [スコア非表示]  (45子コメント)

                                  The mods here deserve some recognition, it's up to ASKREDDIT, a sub that has nothing to do with news to host an uncensored discussion about the largest massacre in the past 15 years!

                                  Unacceptable that it got to this, respect for the mods here!

                                  [–]Gr1pp717[🍰] 6752ポイント6753ポイント  (307子コメント)

                                  Thank you /r/AskReddit for picking up where /r/news has failed. There really needs to be something about this on the front page.

                                  Edit: here's the live feed - https://www.reddit.com/live/x2tjnk7gg9wa

                                  [–]sgt_science [スコア非表示]  (39子コメント)

                                  Seriously, I first saw this on Facebook after being on reddit for 30 minutes. That's never happened before.

                                  [–]mattmck90 [スコア非表示]  (97子コメント)

                                  Yeah, that was nuts.

                                  [–]Sanity_in_Moderation [スコア非表示]  (94子コメント)

                                  What happened?

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                                    [–]Rawr_Imma_duck [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

                                    No joke, that subreddit is a warzone right now...

                                    [–]plamplapla [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

                                    Yep, nice job on the mods.

                                    [–]ThaddeusJP [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                    Reddit says its the front page of the internet. The fact we have to get info from non news subs makes me question that. This is how you piss off users, both acounted and casusal readers. Makes me think ill go somewhere else for the next big news story.

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                                        [–]Homiedesai 1927ポイント1928ポイント  (492子コメント)

                                        homophobic shooter?

                                        [–]NewClayburn 2405ポイント2406ポイント  (157子コメント)

                                        The shooter's father has apparently said that he had become angry after seeing two guys kiss in Miami. So yeah, seems like he hates gays and this was a hate killing.

                                        [–]Has_No_Gimmick [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                        Angry about two guys kissing in Miami? You may as well get angry about the sun shining in Miami. What a fucking stupid crazy evil sonofabitch.

                                        [–]PM_me_Venn_diagrams 1638ポイント1639ポイント  (95子コメント)

                                        This answer was deleted from the /r/news thread. Not only that, but nearly all comments have been removed.

                                        Its about time the Reddit devs take over /r/news, the behavior of the current mods is unacceptable.

                                        For instance, how many of you knew that concealed carry permits were judged "not a right" by a federal court this week?

                                        Well, it didnt make it to /r/news because they censored it. Thats a pretty important topic to be censored, dont you think?

                                        /r/news is basically incompetent. They need to remove the mods or replace /r/news with a new front page sub.

                                        Edit: No, I am not spreading misinformation. Rights in the US are determined by if they are constitutionally protected. The court siding with open carry or any other subject does not change that it ruled that concealed weapons are not a right given by the constitution.

                                        Its like if they outlawed hotdogs and somebody says its misinformation because they ruled hamburgers are a right. One does not somehow cancel out the other. They are different things.

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                                          [–]violentre 264ポイント265ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                          They're saying "possible hate crime" and terrorist attack.

                                          [–]roastedbagel[S] 214ポイント215ポイント  (179子コメント)

                                          While it's too early to tell, I'd lean towards that was part of their MO last night.

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                                            [–]ladycoleopterist 908ポイント909ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                            My best friend lives right around the corner from Pulse and spent the night hiding in her closet because she was hearing gunfire but didn't know where it was coming from or what was going on. I can't even imagine how terrifying it must have been for everyone there.

                                            [–]crotherm 1043ポイント1044ポイント  (350子コメント)

                                            This, from the shooter's father, is from Huffington Post..

                                            “We’re apologizing for the whole incident,” read Seddique’s statement. “We weren’t aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country. This had nothing to do with religion.”

                                            He says his son got “very angry” when he saw two men kissing in downtown Miami a couple of months ago, and believes that was part of his son’s motive.

                                            [–]Gunslinger_11 747ポイント748ポイント  (132子コメント)

                                            When I see something I don't like i don't get "murdery".

                                            [–]bmoviescreamqueen [スコア非表示]  (116子コメント)

                                            If it didn't have anything to do with religion then you really have to wonder how messed up this individual was beforehand. Normal people don't see two men kissing and jump immediately to murdering 50 people.

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                                              [–]NeilPoonHandler 488ポイント489ポイント  (113子コメント)

                                              So I imagine that Obama will give a televised speech about this shooting some time today? It would make sense since this shooting is now (unfortunately) historic in its death toll.

                                              [–]junkmanserenade [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

                                              Correct, I believe he will speak at 1:30 eastern time.

                                              [–]ThaddeusJP [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

                                              18th time he will have done this during his presidency. Shame.

                                              [–]ThatsMyHoverboard [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                              It's visible how much he has aged mentally and physically throughout his presidency.

                                              [–]ThaddeusJP [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                              Can you imagine him being woken up at 4 o'clock this morning and what must have been going through his head. I mean when I get woken up in the middle of the night and it's bad news there's a limited amount of things that I think it might be. But as president of the United States oh my God could be anything.

                                              [–]lashazior [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                              that's not a characteristic of just Obama's presidency. GWB looks equally as terrible. Clinton turned into a tomato. Lincoln looks dreadful

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                                                      [–]TheDiamondDog 421ポイント422ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                      This is the biggest mass shooting in the U.S. If anyone's friends/family died my thoughts go out to you.

                                                      Stay Strong.

                                                      [–]Iforgotmyother_name 783ポイント784ポイント  (191子コメント)

                                                      I wonder what the police tactics were on this one? I hear the gunman took hostages and started executing. I'll be so pissed if it's a repeat of Columbine where the police waited outside for hours while those kids were getting executed.

                                                      [–]justflycasual [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

                                                      An off-duty officer was working in the club, exchanged gunfire with the suspect when he began shooting on the main floor at approx 2 AM.

                                                      Two additional officers responded, initiating the hostage-taking and subsequent standoff.

                                                      [–]honorary_mexican [スコア非表示]  (106子コメント)

                                                      Unfortunately, it's looks like SWAT waited outside for over 3 hours while he executed everyone inside. They said it was a hostage situation while people inside were sending out texts that he was rounding up and killing everyone.

                                                      [–]jimmyyang3000 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

                                                      This happened at the Bataclan as well. It appears that hostages are no longer being used for monetary or political ransom, but rather to prolong the attack and suffering caused. And when the hostages have outlived their usefulness, well...

                                                      Police forces will certainly have to revise their strategies.

                                                      Edit: Added a few things

                                                      [–]Happyplantgirl [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                      This is huge if true. I can not even fathom getting frantic texts like that from my loved one.

                                                      Edit: not sure if posting this is allowed but I'm piggy backing this comment to post this link I saw on Twitter. Possible photo of gunman. Will delete if against rules.

                                                      https://mobile.twitter.com/SunDoucette/status/742034290687496192?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

                                                      [–]LordBenners [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                      Officers rescued at least 30 individuals in the club.

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                                                        [–]drak0bsidian [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

                                                        At least in the CNN article, it seemed they came in both highly organized and with guns a-blazing. Not at all like Columbine, but also not like Waco.

                                                        [–]BLUElightCory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                        Evidently they waited for ~3 hours because of the possibility of explosive devices in the club.

                                                        [–]Lushkush69 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

                                                        News said a police officer opened fire on him as he was going into the club at around 3am, they didn't go in after him until 5am because he had hostages. Meanwhile accounts are coming out from inside saying during this time he was lining people up killing them anyways. 2 hours wasted while people still being killed.

                                                        [–]Jkizzle9 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                        To be fair hindsight is 20-20 and the police might not have had all the info on what was happening on the inside, I'm sure it was very chaotic and they didn't want to charge in and make a mistake

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                                                            [–]youre_my_burrito 1405ポイント1406ポイント  (784子コメント)

                                                            Here comes hundreds of interviews with Trump and Clinton about what they would do.

                                                            [–]frankreddit5 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

                                                            (since my last comment will probably be deleted from the last thread) ---

                                                            one guy in a live stream interview on TV with the news station said that he and several others went out an exit door into the alleyway and then turned around and barricaded the door so that it couldn't be opened. he then went on to say that he kept hearing banging noises on the door and he can "only hope that it wasn't people trying to get out." Uh, yeah, it was probably people running from the shooter and trying to go out the EXIT DOOR only to not be able to get out and have to turn around to meet their fate - death.

                                                            I understand that in a panic situation things like this happen, but if he ran into an alleyway, why block the door and trap the people inside? Why not just keep running ?

                                                            [–]xTheosis 9719ポイント9720ポイント x10 (991子コメント)

                                                            Fuck the mods at /r/news

                                                            [–]SnerdMcGill [スコア非表示]  (203子コメント)

                                                            I'm so proud of /r/askreddit for being willing to do what /r/news has failed to do.

                                                            [–]rwl4z [スコア非表示]  (176子コメント)

                                                            Actually, I really appreciate having this in a place besides /r/TheDonald. No offense to them, but this needs to be discussed in a less partisan place and this seems like that place.

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                                                              [–]TheLoneWolf156 542ポイント543ポイント  (260子コメント)

                                                              What did they do?

                                                              [–]1pfen [スコア非表示]  (40子コメント)

                                                              Also they created a 'megathread' which doesn't show up on the front page, and deleted all other posts about it, so the worst shooting in American history isn't on the front page.

                                                              [–]skeptoid79 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                              Well now it is! Thanks, /r/AskReddit!

                                                              edit: aaaaaaaaand it's gone.

                                                              edit2: and we're back!

                                                              [–]TamerVirus [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                              It's a sea of delete in that 'mega thread'

                                                              The Streisand Effect shouldn't apply for THE WORST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY, yet here we are

                                                              [–]PubliusVA [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                              And are deleting practically every comment in THAT thread.

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                                                                [–]xTheosis 1543ポイント1544ポイント  (210子コメント)

                                                                They're deleting and banning anyone who posts about the mass shooting in Orlando just because the shooter has Islamic ties

                                                                [–]S0T0 [スコア非表示]  (62子コメント)

                                                                They're also deleting peoples comments for donating blood for the wounded, etc.

                                                                It's disgusting. https://i.gyazo.com/c3163f168b293d76f0eca152556e6e0c.png

                                                                Edit(thanks /u/Lokan for the link); If you live in Orlando, please consider donating some of your blood to help the victims of the attack. More information can be found at the bottom here with addresses to clinics accepting blood donations; http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-orlando-nightclub-shooting-blood-donations-20160612-story.html

                                                                Edit2; Holy fuck, they're removing anyone that's trying to help by posting blood donations. Quick imgur link after searching for 15 seconds about removing donation links... WOW; http://imgur.com/a/l3EZj (Unreddit link is here, check for yourselves; https://unreddit.com/r/news/comments/4nql8f/orlando_nightclub_shooting_megathread/)

                                                                Edit3; /u/i_cant_mathematics

                                                                Orlando resident here (a mile from the incident). The blood centers are all at capacity. I believe they are making exceptions for/prioritizing O negative donors.

                                                                Looks they still need type O negative, positive and AB plasma.

                                                                OneBlood had put out a call for the donations and still need types O negative, O positive and AB plasma.

                                                                [–]Solthercunt [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                                Exactly. I saw a guy talking about how he used to live here, and other people hoping his friend were ok. Comment deleted. Fuck that shit.

                                                                [–]goldenninja23 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                I agree, this is outrageous shit! We post about helping other people, then it gets deleted!?

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                                                                  [–]Lokan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Then we keep bringing attention to it. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-orlando-nightclub-shooting-blood-donations-20160612-story.html

                                                                  [–]Kimi712_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Holy shit that is evil.

                                                                  [–]ValerieJarrett [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                  What. The. Fuck.

                                                                  [–]letmeaddnumbers [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Wow that is complete garbage. That particular piece of information would be important for anyone living in that area that wants to help.

                                                                  [–]Aldracity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Mmmm, I love the smell of scorched earth in the morning...

                                                                  I mean yeesh, if you're nuking stuff like that, you're clearly not spending enough time to read two words before hitting delete.

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                                                                        [–]plamplapla [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

                                                                        Don't forget to unsubscribe folks.

                                                                        [–]SeanTheLawn [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                        What's a good alternative? /r/worldnews sucks too

                                                                        Edit: /r/inthenews seems like it'd be good if it had more subscribers

                                                                        Edit2: jk, the top mod all the mods of /r/inthenews are also mods of /r/news. Why the fuck hasn't reddit made supermods against the rules yet? This is fucked. /r/truenews and /r/worldevents seem clean of supermods though

                                                                        [–]arcq [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                                                                        done... Reddit should also take them off the auto-subscribe for new accounts...

                                                                        [–]tossweir [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Reddit itself is behind this. Admins will threaten to ban you if you question them about the removal of news on r/news as other commenters have stated.

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                                                                          [–]Brute_zee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                          This needs way more upvotes. This shit doesn't get better if people just sit around.

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                                                                            [–]AustinXTyler 2168ポイント2169ポイント  (316子コメント)

                                                                            Why the fuck would they delete all those comments, and why can't I even see the rules that supposedly everyone is breaking?

                                                                            Edit: So what I'm hearing is that r/news is bigoted and hating on the guy for being Muslim, and the Muslim mods got fed up with it and deleted just about everything. Fuck this shit, why can't we all just be people?!

                                                                            Edit: Jesus, I can't keep up with all these replies

                                                                            Edit: I probably shouldn't say "Jesus" this might get deleted

                                                                            [–]ChristmasSteve [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

                                                                            Anyone have a list of alternative subreddits I could subscribe to for news in the future?

                                                                            [–]bestaccountof2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Everyone should unsubscribe from /r/news.

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                                                                              [–]Ravestr 146ポイント147ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                              Is there an accurate timeline of events? Not confirmed, but I've seen reports of it lasting hours and am wondering what prevented entry.

                                                                              [–]WittyAtom [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Shootout started at 2am with an officer working at the club. Suspect fled inside, taking hostages. At 5:00am SWAT moved in to rescue hostages killing suspect in process.

                                                                              The final SWAT raid that took the life of the shooter and injured an officer also rescued 30 people that were still being held inside or in hiding.

                                                                              https://www.reddit.com/live/x2tjnk7gg9wa

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                                                                                [–]Critmed74 [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

                                                                                Please spread these around, I made these posters (infographics) for non medical personnel. These instruct you how to stop gun shot and stabbing bleeding before EMS and First responders arrive. With mass shootings like this, time is of the essence and sometimes patients bleed out, waiting for the scene to clear or to be found.

                                                                                ENGLISH = http://emtradio.org/episode-43-non-medical-english

                                                                                SPANISH = http://emtradio.org/episode-43-spanish-non-medical

                                                                                RUSSIAN = http://emtradio.org/episode-43-russian-non-medical

                                                                                NAKED = http://emtradio.org/episode-43-naked-non-medical

                                                                                Do not let this massacre divide us humans helping humans, anytime, anyplace, any race. Charlie Alvarenga NREMT-P, FP-C, BS-EMS

                                                                                [–]slimjim00 927ポイント928ポイント  (93子コメント)

                                                                                Serious question, where can I find a dedicated subreddit that posts un-censored (within reason) news articles?

                                                                                [–]itsmikeo 340ポイント341ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                Let's start one

                                                                                Edit: I've made one! r/open_news Although I haven't posted anything yet. Anyone wanna help?

                                                                                [–]specialservices 139ポイント140ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                /r/inthenews

                                                                                /r/qualitynews

                                                                                [–]Krieg-The-Psycho1 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                This thread is the best you will get

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                                                                                  [–]HeresNotHere 2140ポイント2141ポイント  (299子コメント)

                                                                                  Hello there r/news

                                                                                  [–]-FLuX- 1407ポイント1408ポイント  (245子コメント)

                                                                                  r/news is massively censoring discussion on the topic, This might be the only chance at an outlet for the discussion, so I understand why this person posted. Who is also a mod I just noticed, /u/roastedbagel, I'd like to "askreddit" how they feel about the mass censorship going on in /r/news/.

                                                                                  [–]Keikobad 784ポイント785ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                                  It's frankly embarrassing to Reddit that the moderators of /r/news are so vigorous in their deleting of threads and posts on this. The deadliest mass-shooting of its kind in recent U.S. history, and nary a word about it in the forum ostensibly set aside for discussion of news, hours after the event.

                                                                                  Screenshot of my Reddit front page, hours after the incident.

                                                                                  [–]roastedbagel[S] 464ポイント465ポイント  (154子コメント)

                                                                                  I just got around to seeing all that (after reading the news while making coffee, etc). What topics exactly were they censoring? Honestly I'd rather not have this entire thread be about /r/news if possible. But we can keep the discussion of that to this thread for sure as long as it remains calm.

                                                                                  [–]TheTrashyOne 316ポイント317ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                                                  i woke up and saw the news. Immediately came to Reddit. Every thread that wasn't removed from r/news was locked. They did finally put up a mega thread a little while ago but it's still not showing up on all. Instead we get multiple threads from r/thedonald. The worst mass shooting in U.S. history and r/news mods are stifling discussion under the guise of being brigaded. That's just sad.

                                                                                  Thank you for giving us a place for discussion. I beg everyone, no matter your views, to keep it civil.

                                                                                  [–]Draxus 126ポイント127ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                  I saw it on the news, came to reddit and was surprised to see nothing on my front page. Askreddit is not where I expected to find discussion. I see there is a megathread now but this happened at 2am. Way WAY overboard with the censorship when I hear the news for such a huge event on TV first despite going to reddit first.

                                                                                  [–]honorary_mexican 67ポイント68ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Same here. Worst shooting in US history and it's not even on the default front page. I was confused and thought reddit was broken or something. I usually come to reddit to find aggregated information when something like this happens.

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                                                                                      [–]WillJenkx 444ポイント445ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                                                                      Once it came out the shooter may have had any connection to Islam they shut the whole show down. Nuked whole threads, banned anyone who asked them a question, then deleted the comment graveyard posts with 4000+ karma and 0 comments in favor of their mega thread.

                                                                                      [–]-spartacus- 113ポイント114ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                      I just woke up and if I hadn't turned on the news I would have no idea anything had happened, there was and is nothing at the top/hot of reddit, this was the only thread I could find doing top for this hour. So thank you for the mods here, I've been trying to find more info, and it's really disappointing what's going on here on reddit (not dismissing the shooting).

                                                                                      Normally there is a big thread where someone updates the info in news, where you can get a time line of info, strike through for anything wrong, really informative sitting at the top of reddit, now there's nothing.

                                                                                      I don't understand what happened in the shooting and wtf is up with news if I can't even get the god damn news from it.

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                                                                                          [–]novade 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                          I suspect /askreddit's trying this 'cause they've a full contingent of moderators ready to nuke comments that tend to hysteria.

                                                                                          But it's good that it's up, it is something that has a need to be discussed - but within bounds. No "Boston bombers" mistakes.

                                                                                          [–]roastedbagel[S] 91ポイント92ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          Agreed, and yes, we're on the lookout for rule breaking stuff, but please help us by reporting comments as well. Your reports help us out tremendously.

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                                                                                            [–]NewClayburn 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                            They fucked up by locking/deleting before creating the megathread. You should always do that first so users know what's going on. You can't just delete/lock without warning.

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                                                                                              [–]osarog 355ポイント356ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                                              I got banned for mentioning that the shooter is Muslim.

                                                                                              [–]Andrei_Vlasov 92ポイント93ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              The mods over there are the biggest assholes in reddit history.

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                                                                                                [–]Faugh 633ポイント634ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                                                                                Did Omar Mateen, that dumb fucking son of a bitch, not understand that this is going to make people at large more sympathetic to homosexuals and less sympathetic to Muslims?

                                                                                                It's not even the horrific, utterly senseless loss of life, it's that even from his perspective, his actions will have the complete opposite effect of what he set out to do in the longer run. He wasn't just an evil fucking idiot, he was an incompetent evil fucking idiot.

                                                                                                My sympathies go out to everyone affected by such a horrible tragedy. Love yourself and each other.

                                                                                                [–]LordWalderFrey1 226ポイント227ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                If he is actually a member of ISIS, then the bastard gets what he wants. The greater the divide between ordinary Muslims and the West, the better for ISIS.

                                                                                                If he is just some moronic idiot who hated gays, then yes he is just some incompetent evil idiot.

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                                                                                                  [–]empify [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  /r/news should be removed as a default subreddit or their moderators stripped of power. I can't stand when people "with power" abuse it.

                                                                                                  [–]meatfrappe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Sad that we need an /r/AskReddit post to discuss this because /r/news mods are blocking/deleting/censoring all news-related discussion. Thanks for filling in where others fail, /r/AskReddit mods!

                                                                                                  [–]Electrode- [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                  Removed? And now it's back up. Wtf is going on

                                                                                                  [–]i-opener 2518ポイント2519ポイント x3 (530子コメント)

                                                                                                  They're reporting that the shooter is an angered Muslim who did this because he saw 2 men kissing earlier this week. I feel bad for everyone involved but this story is going to get spun like a top. Every time a story like this happens, people think that as long as they can lay the blame at the foot of one group or another that that will somehow ease the pain. There's no fix for crazy and no group has a monopoly on them.

                                                                                                  Edit: To all the people that are calling me out for being a Muslim apologist, I'm pasting a snippet from one of my posts below because it will get more visibility here and hopefully curtail further replies of the same sentiment.

                                                                                                  It's not Islam, any more than it was Christianity when Christians do it. The problem is Islamism - which, in short, is the movement to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life. We're doing the religion a great disservice by not calling out the problem. You are right though - it is a hard thing to communicate and we need to start doing so, and not cloak the conversation by focusing on the religion rather than the people that seek to implement a very narrow minded version of it globally. You seem genuine in your convictions and it's good to see that, so I please ask you (and anyone else that comes across this) to watch the video below. It's powerful and hopefully it will spark the right conversation.

                                                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iltoS3vHYRk

                                                                                                  [–]drak0bsidian [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                  The CNN article has two statements on that:

                                                                                                  There has been no claim of responsibility for the attack on jihadi forums, but ISIS sympathizers have reacted by praising the attack on pro-Islamic State forums.

                                                                                                  And

                                                                                                  Orlando authorities said they consider the violence an act of domestic terror. The FBI is involved. While investigators are exploring all angles, they "have suggestions the individual has leanings towards (Islamic terrorism), but right now we can't say definitely," said Ron Hopper, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's Orlando bureau.

                                                                                                  [–]ItsHampster [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                  he saw 2 men kissing earlier this week.

                                                                                                  He saw two men kissing and procured a suicide vest and guns and ammo in less than a week?

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                                                                                                    [–]violentre 541ポイント542ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                                                                    I live about 45 minutes from Orlando and have sooooo many friends who frequent this nightclub.

                                                                                                    I am praying right now. Not sure if any of them were there during this, but such a horrible moment...

                                                                                                    [–]-snowflakemango- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    I hope each and every one of your friends are okay.

                                                                                                    [–]emsmale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Facebook has a cool safety check feature that can tell you if your friends have marked themselves "safe". It might be worth checking out if you have people you haven't heard from.

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                                                                                                      [–]elpaw 951ポイント952ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                                                                                      If 9/11 happened today, would it be censored by Reddit?

                                                                                                      [–]violentintenttoday [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      There is a post I made at undelete to discuss the censorship issue at /r/news.

                                                                                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/4nqbb8/moderators_of_rnews_locking_any_post_having_to_do/

                                                                                                      The discussion of censorship is more appropriate there than here.

                                                                                                      [–]appleiphone6plus 189ポイント190ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                                                                                      This is incredibly sad. This is the deadliest US mass shooting since Virginia Tech.

                                                                                                      [–]Dev1114 100ポイント101ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      Disgraceful behavior. At this point I'm not really what's going on anymore. I feel terrible to the victims and their families.

                                                                                                      [–]Helplessromantic 316ポイント317ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                                                                      Why am I seeing this through Askreddit?

                                                                                                      Why does it seem like this story is being censored? What does r/news have to gain by trying to hide the deadliest shooting in US history?

                                                                                                      [–]Sir_George 288ポイント289ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                                                      So everything has disappeared from the front page and BBC is saying the death toll is now 50. Shame on the mods of r/news and r/worldnews. Users have even been banned from these subs for saying the shooter was Muslim. After this I don't think Reddit can be trusted anymore.

                                                                                                      [–]Boatsmhoes 475ポイント476ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                                                                                      I'm not even seeing any articles on /r/news about it

                                                                                                      [–]choongjunbo 804ポイント805ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                                      cause /r/news mod went on a power trip to protect the image of islam and actively removed out comments,threads that contain the reference of the shooter name or religion

                                                                                                      Never mind that FBI have say that its linked to domestic terrorism and his dad say his son is outrage by 2 gay person kissing

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                                                                                                        [–]billieisanidiot 154ポイント155ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                        It breaks my heart that pride month will always have this bleak reminder of how much more we have to fight for. This was a vile homophobic act by a maniac. My heart goes out to the families and friends of those who were murdered, and everyone involved. I hope they find peace amongst the pain.

                                                                                                        [–]h20rabbit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Pride month has always been a bleak reminder (Stonewall), but I do agree, so many years later to have this time punctuated by this event is heartbreaking.

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                                                                                                          [–]Jlocke98 390ポイント391ポイント  (88子コメント)

                                                                                                          I thought it was pointless to donate blood after a shooting/terrorist attack because it takes weeks to get it through QC and actually into hospitals. I know a ton of blood went to waste after 9/11 because of so many people donating in the following days

                                                                                                          EDIT: I get it guys, it only takes ~48 hours to get blood ready, this blood is to replenish what was used to treat the victims and it sucks that the red cross doesn't let dudes that have had gay sex before donate blood. Below is a citation on the 9/11 comment but it's been made clear to me that it's a different situation in orlando and since it's summer, they're already pretty low and could use the influx of donors anyways.

                                                                                                          http://www.academia.edu/386456/BAD_BLOOD_THE_9_11_BLOOD-DONATION_DISASTER_The_New_Republic

                                                                                                          [–]gracemus 726ポイント727ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                          I suppose their current blood supply will most likely be depleted after an event like this so they will need more for the coming weeks

                                                                                                          [–]Krieg-The-Psycho1 127ポイント128ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                          People who dont know this will be donating regardless of wether its effective

                                                                                                          [–]PLEBOFTHEMASTERRACE [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                          You are not donating so much for Orlando as you are for all the blood banks currently sending their stashes there, who will need more blood as well.

                                                                                                          [–]llahsram555 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                          Who cares if the blood goes to waste. Better to have an abundance of life saving fluid than not. It's not like we've only got a limited amount of supply we can give

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                                                                                                            [–]nick908 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                            At least they're trying. Sitting idle is the worst.

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                                                                                                                [–]Mike81890 101ポイント102ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                Well yeah, but then they can use that overabundance to restock the blood on which there was initially a run.

                                                                                                                [–]half3clipse 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                they do however need to replace the stock they're currently using.

                                                                                                                [–]roastedbagel[S] 84ポイント85ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                That's sad if that's true.

                                                                                                                I get the processing time, but maybe knowing that they have all this incoming blood, they can use what they currently have in stock knowing it will be made up for? Would love to hear from a blood bank employee/volunteer if there's one here on how this all works.

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                                                                                                                  [–]mastigia [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                  It is a tragically fucked up situation when we need /r/askreddit, /r/atheism, and /r/thedonald to get news.

                                                                                                                  I remember when I first came to reddit and /r/news was the serious alternative if you just wanted to see what was going on instead of drinking raw sewage from a firehose.

                                                                                                                  [–]nfstopsnuf [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                  It's really sad when basically the biggest news story in the U.S. is being covered by two subreddits, AskReddit and The_Donald, two subreddits that aren't even news oriented. All because r/news is censoring this tragic event.

                                                                                                                  [–]sh2003 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Seriously?! Now THIS has been removed??

                                                                                                                  [–]slimjim00 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  WTF? Even the AskReddit gets deleted?

                                                                                                                  [–]Seymour2012 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Terrifying and devastating.

                                                                                                                  If you're a member of the LBGT community in Central Florida, from Ocala to Tampa to Titusville, you've been to Pulse at least once.

                                                                                                                  To us this didn't just happen in our backyard, it happened in our living room.

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