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Rooneys transformation to CM (self.reddevils)

samsam78 が 投稿

Doing the rounds on Social media, rooneys suddenly not public enemy No.1. A large majority of comments about him were that he's the best passer, hes experience is essential etc. Far cry from the shouldn't even make the bench comments a month ago.

The transformation of wazza should do well for next season. He was fantastic the last few games for United. And he was class tonight. Just happy that he's not getting scapegoated. He's a damn good passer of a ball, at least hes getting some recognition for once.

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[–]doctorpwnRooney 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just wait til England concede a goal while he's on or he misses a chance. He'll be back to the scapegoat.

But yeah his performances have been very encouraging. Rooney pinging balls out to Martial and Embolo to cross it to Zlatan is very exciting.

[–]ChegismDe Gea 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

He does still tend to end up in strange positions. One time the ball got headed away by Russia from a corner, and Rooney and I think Walker were the 2 players back in our half 2 seconds later. Not really where I expect him to be, but I guess someone has to.

It reminds me of school when you'd run back and stand on the line because you didn't have faith in your teammates/keeper stopping the ball so you'd do it yourself.

I want him to replicate late 90's Keane. Boss the midfield, but dont be afraid to be on the edge of either box putting work in.

[–]reddit_no_likeyA new dawn is coming... 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have always been in the camp of Rooney's best position is in attack. I wasn't sure about his defensive abilities, but he's shown to be an incredibly well rounded and intelligent player.

He is key no matter where he is.

[–]lilpeleMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's always been able to do a job defensively honestly probably would've been world class had he become a defender or midfielder.

It's exciting to see his transformation into a midfield role.

[–]samsam78[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, he's only been playing the role for a few months though. I'm guessi g there's coaches behind the scenes working with him on it and not just saying nothing so he'll improve. Positioning can be trained, I'm excited see if Jose gets an extra gear out of him.

[–]medfunguySolskjaer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you consider that the keeper was Hart, it's easy to see why Rooney doesn't trust him. Lol

[–]CJohannessenHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait what? Hart is a class keeper. Every keeper makes mistakes but he is one of the best in the EPL

[–]tronicsss 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He played well

But it was against a poor Russian side, with little to no pressure on the ball he was able to influence the game!

I'm backing it just because I don't buy the narrative the football media pedal about players being over once they're the wrong side of 30. If Rooney is managed well he can play for a long time, regardless of his position

But I'm still not sold on him in CM, don't think he's come up against a good enough opponents since he made the switch to accurately judge him. When he does we'll see what his level is

[–]pwjplayer85 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

People getting way ahead o themselves based on an average performance vs an average Russian side who were also missing their two best CM's. It's not as if he was against Busquets/Iniesta.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same with every other win or game that didn't suck last season and all the "here's why I think LvG is doing well" posts kept showing up. Every single time. Nothing new for reactionary level posts now.

[–]knoxisbackTevez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk there was a period last season when Van Gaal thought it was his best position as well and people were harassing him for not playing Rooney up top, and now all of a sudden its his best position again.

Still has a lot of convincing to do, at least for me

[–]Tore_Andre_Slow -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow....I watched the match....england not great against a poor Russia team. I come here and people are fawning over Rooney? He barely stood out. This is russia ffs. They had 2 central midfielders with a combine total of 6 caps!

Is this Utd fans idea of convincing themselves Rooney is a great CM and that he should start there for us next year. He loses possession far too much with stupid passes.

[–]samsam78[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's about public perception more than what he did.

Rather than "oh it's Wayne Rooney yawn he's passed it, get him out the team." People are actually saying he's useful outside of United's fanbase.

I think your analysis is harsh, Opening game of the tournament, France didn't look their best either yesterday with their superstar XI, had it not been for a Payet masterclass they would've had the same result. I thought Rooney played well.

[–]ZlatanMourinho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He made a couple of hollywood passes that's been in his repertoire for nearly a decade. This public perception is nothing more than the typical English fawning of style over substance. While those passes look great and does require a certain level of technical skill, what really matters is whether he can consistently make the same passes under pressure and against a better team. I don't think he can and he hasn't shown that he can. As always, I'll be delighted if he can prove me wrong.

[–]testbug0what's the Mata? 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest, he had way too much freedom to pick his passes in midfield especially in the first half.

It was evident that Russia didn't anticipate him playing in midfield and their midfielders didn't know what to do with him.

I doubt he'd get that much freedom in the future against better sides. And his first touch, which has always been inconsistent, is a big negative for a midfielder.

[–]cadallimore -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves.

Rooney at CM means we need to partner him with two other CMs that can cover for his defensive weakness - he can make tackles but his positioning is awful.

His passing is good, but he mainly switches the ball - he doesn't pass vertically enough for me. Look at the passing map posted on this sub earlier, and you can see he rarely passes through the lines.

If we want him to be our playmaker he needs to vary his passing - there is no doubt he is great at switching the play but it's the other areas of his passing that are less impressive.

I like him at CM as an option against poor teams that will give him space to dominate the park; I fear for us if we're using him as first choice next season.

[–]TrickyxoneCoppell 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

How many times does he have to turn up at fullback before this shit stops? even when he played up front or 10 he regularly got back and saved both England and Utd's ass, if anything his main problem is when he plays up front he's never there, he's always dropped deep either to defend or to try create.

[–]qdatk 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think we can all agree that he works really hard and is great at chasing back, but I don't think that's the same thing has having good positioning. Good positioning would mean you don't have to turn up at fullback, because the ball will have been cut out before then. Of course, it's not his fault that he had to chase back, since it happens when he's played in attack, but I don't think we've seen any genuine defensive intelligence (as opposed to work rate) from him. Not that this disqualifies him from playing in midfield, but, as /u/cadallimore said, we'd need other midfielders covering for him. We did the same with Scholes, when his legs were gone, so it's just a question of whether Rooney's other attributes make up for it like Scholes' did.

[–]TrickyxoneCoppell 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He had the positional sense to be there, can you really blame an AM for having to cover the FB? by what you said ever player on the pitch is at fault everytime the other team attacks, even Keane had to cover other players at times, was that because he was out of position, by what you say every attack from the opposition it's the fault of the midfielders/attackers for not closing it down, even the worst teams have the odd moment when they are in an attacking position.

[–]qdatk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I specifically said that I don't blame him: "Of course, it's not his fault that he had to chase back, since it happens when he's played in attack". And I also specifically differentiated positioning sense from what he does. It's like you didn't read anything of the comment you're replying to.