As feminists have run out of institutions to mark as feminine in their futile effort to abate their driving pangs of envy, they have more and more turned to marking men themselves as feminine. Part of this no doubt is the recognition that it is far easier to convince men to be like women than it is for a woman to convincingly pretend to be like a man. This is made simple because so many men are desperately searching for a socially acceptable concept of noble manhood, following feminists’ successful cultural jihad against the notion.
Chase Bank teaches us that heroic fatherhood means dressing in drag:
Dads can be heroes in many ways — and, according to JP Morgan Chase & Co., that could mean putting on makeup and a wig and donning a tutu to play the fairy princess at a birthday party…
Real Men Wear Pink*, a campaign from the Australian National Breast Cancer Foundation, teaches a similar message:
Heroes change the world, so we’re daring all real men to wear something so outrageous their friends will sponsor them heaps of cash.
The site is filled with pictures of men in pink tutus, feather boas, and onsies, and suggests that men dress up in “mankinis”.
As long as it’s safe and as embarrassing as possible, anything goes!
There is a common theme to all of these messages, and it is that if you are a real man who cares about women, you will gladly feminize yourself. The specific cause will vary, as it could be showing your daughter that you love her (the Chase commercial), driving awareness for violence against women (as with the soldiers marching in red high heels), or breast cancer research (in the US this is primarily men’s sporting teams wearing pink). But the solution to all of these is for men to prove their manhood and show they care about women by emasculating themselves.
Individually, as I’ve pointed out before, these are in the big picture petty things. But pettiness on a grand scale is entirely the point. If feminists can’t experience manly pride, they don’t want men to experience it either.
*H/T Spike.
This is going to be a bigger and bigger problem for me as time goes on.
My daughter recently wanted to tie multi color ribbons/bows on our horses mane. My wife was asleep during the day (she is still a nurse and works about 1 weekend a month, though still a 99% SAHM).
The ribbon thing fell on me to do. It was stupid and awkward but I helped. (She can’t reach that high, and he won’t stand still for her). I did it “like a guy” would, I’m sure you can imagine.
That’s about my limit though. There is tremendous pressure from other dads to act silly, dress like s princess etc. I just don’t. I don’t have it in me.
This will result in “he’s not secure in his masculinity” and other nonsense and it’s getting worse.
Saw that ad last week while watching local news here. 7 in the AM! Husband was left to explain to the kids why it was ridiculous and inappropriate and something he would never even consider doing.
and yet more men die of prostate cancer then women die of breast cancer……
This will result in “he’s not secure in his masculinity” and other nonsense and it’s getting worse.
Yes, exactly.
I view these things as falling under the rubric of “weak men are screwing up feminism”. Basically weakness is being redefined as “being so insecure that you are unable/unwilling to act feminine, be married to a woman who is much more successful than you and leads you”, etc. It’s about redefining subordination as strength, and resistance to subordination and reprogramming as weakness and insecurity.
It’s effective because (1) men really *are* confused about what it means to be masculine in this confused era with all of the cultural messaging that is contradictory in the extreme which presents the opportunity for (2) reprogramming of men to consider subordination as strength and resistance as weakness. Very much like something out of 1984. Men will then reinforce this against each other, as men generally enforce masculine norms against each other, but now with the revised, upside-down “content” of these norms being the essence of what gets enforced, with the right-side up content being shamed and dismissed as insecurity and weakness.
It also ties into the hypergamy/adultery/cuck thing in that it’s a very good bet, in my opinion, that we will see this same approach being applied to married men whose wives have affairs — that is, that it is a strong man who accepts, embraces and encourages this, because he is “secure”, while it is a weak and insecure pseudo-man who objects to this based on his fears and insecurities. Upside-down, for certain, but that’s the whole point.
As Jack Donovan said on twitter, about a year ago: “Are you man enough to chop off your penis and name yourself Susan? If not, why are you so insecure in your masculinity?”
As Jack Donovan said on twitter, about a year ago: “Are you man enough to chop off your penis and name yourself Susan? If not, why are you so insecure in your masculinity?”
Haha, exactly — it’s redefining what weakness and strength are, in substance.
@DeNihilist:
Because it’s easy to raise money when you can show breasts and call it “awareness”.
On the topic of Breast Cancer “Awareness” in general, I haven’t thought a lot about it, but it strikes me far more as a vanity & corruption vehicle more than anything else. Though it’s possible the staying-power of it might as much be about the instinctual response of modern Women to the fact that they’re not really very Womanly anymore. Because there’s some obsession on the topic in certain circles that don’t just fit into the standard Feminist playbook.
Or Women just fear anything scary and, since they have breasts, clearly it’s “important”.
Shared on FB wall with this comment;
Men-
There is literally no culturally accepted norm for operationalizing “masculinity” or “manhood.”
Just do your own thing. Define it for yourselves.
Good luck.
DSK
I have four young daughters, and as the God-ordained custodian of their concept of “normal,” particularly when it comes to men, there is no way I am going to mess it up for their impressionable little minds by putting on women’s clothes and makeup. As we say in my house, “Men don’t wear dresses, sweetheart.”
Have a tea party with them and their dolls? Absolutely.
Dress as if I were one of their dolls? Not a chance. I show up to any formal occasion as a churchman and a gentleman, in that order.
And regarding the “secure in [his] masculinity” thing, I don’t know what definition of “masculine” is beneath the assumptions, but I do not see how it would make me “secure” in the notion that the ground is solid beneath my feet to go find a cliff and jump off of it. Denying something does not make it more real. We don’t live like that when it comes to our personal safety…at least not yet.
I am more interested in my daughters being secure in my masculinity these days than subscribing to the quickly changing ideals of the people around me. That is, having a stable father and being taught how to be little ladies from convictions of both their mother and their father together should be prioritized if all were consistent with the “for the children” mantra one so often hears.
Whether or not you think pink or ribbons or onesies are ’emasculating’ depends entirely on your personal experience of masculinity. It’s not like things are inherently not-male, we’re just socialised to accept certain arbitrary things as male or not-male. When our grandfathers were growing up, this pink/blue association didn’t even exist. Plenty of our grandfathers probably wore thermal onesies as well.
“Individually, as I’ve pointed out before, these are in the big picture petty things”
I’ve come to believe that there are only small things. Every mountain, every building, every animal is just a vast collection of small things assembled together.
@htris
I hope you aren’t meaning your remarks to be an argument to be a reason as to why this behavior is OK. If it is, you’ve boiled this down to:
1. Men are doing things that are female behavior today.
2. In some other time period, different behaviors signified male or female norms.
3. Therefore, you’re OK with men doing female behavior today.
It’s literally a facepalm moment if you think this is a counterargument to anything Dalrock said.
If you didn’t mean it to be that, it’s like saying – you know the Greeks used to wear togas, and togas are basically dresses? Yes, well, a woman didn’t wear a poodle skirt in 1955 as a sign of masculinity because a Greek scholar in 350 BC or a Roman statesman in 50 AD wore a toga. Although signs and signifiers change, when you overtly adopt the opposite signs in the present age, that’s got a specific meaning – i.e., a father is a hero when he becomes a pretend mother.
Modern society defines man as…
Man=stupid, foolish, dumb
Therefore “are you man enough” is really “are you “stupid/dumb/foolish” enough to chop your penis off and be called susan”
@htris:
That post was so perfectly nonsensical, I suspect it must have come from a Womyn’s Studies “PhD” thesis.
This will only end when men collectively realize the envy and want of women cannot be satiated. Then it will be back to patriarchy of the strictest sort just as the fisherman’s wife went back to the shanty.
In the end, the only thing to truly make them content is to be owned by a man strong enough to tell them no. Anything less is trouble for men, families and society.
We’re doomed…
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/queer-2-0-life-outside-the-gender-binary-703002179789?cid=sm_fb
I have to put more emphasis on it and declare it to be more than merely feminizing oneself. In the Australia case, it’s outright sexual humiliation.
They’re asking men to dress in ways that would be just as embarrassing to a woman dressed in the same way.
In what ways are women interested in making fools of themselves to support prostate cancer research?
I’d wager that 99% of men wouldn’t dress up like a fairy, daughter’s birthday or not. The commercial is attention grabbing because it is so ridiculous. The point of these kind of things is to shock people with the contrast, not to feminize men. Football players didn’t stop being masculine because they wore pink for a cause and I seriously doubt that the most elite athletes in the world felt humiliated and feminized by pink cleats.
@TheShield
Well put.
@Scott
This should be really easy to handle, and if you do it right pretty fun. The serious answer is explained by TheShield above, and you can cite Deut 22:5 for reference. The huge push to normalize men dressed as women, including the bathroom/locker room issue, should make this a very easy point to make. The world has gone mad, and your kids need dad to model sanity in an insane world.
The less serious answer is to agree and amplify (with a twinkle in your eye*):
*The pure absurdity of this should make this twinkle entirely natural. Deep down they themselves know this, which is what makes it all the more ridiculous.
It is one of the prohibitions of the Torah for a man to wear a woman’s garment and visa versa
@Scott
One thing I forgot to mention is that Mychael can help with this too. Imagine what your grandmother would have said if someone had suggested to her that your grandfather to wear a dress, etc. Women used to be quite fierce in guarding the respect and masculinity of their brothers, husbands, and fathers; they understood how petty this kind of envy was. Mychael can teach both your daughter and other wives by example here.
Edit: I should add that my guess is that Mychael already reacts this way, but it is something to consciously reinforce.
IDK, seems to me that step one is to not watch television. Seriously, the only place I see these commercials is here.
I’m not saying that somehow makes me and my kids immune to the wider societal influence, but there is something to be said for not letting the rot into your head, or that of your kids.
@Nathan Bruno
I get your point, but when we’re talking about things that wouldn’t have mattered to men I knew, it renders those particular concerns a little less relevant to me personally. As I said, what a person views as emasculating is just a reflection of their own view of masculinity, and it isn’t necessarily immutable.
Htris, being pedantic is a way of distracting from the point of the discussion. Here’s my attempt to speak your language: Masculinity is defined within general parameters in any given culture, time, and place, and generally recognizable by said culture-time-place’s inhabitants.
Must I really add that My grandfather would not have worn a tutu?
D-
Great minds, I guess. That is more or less the way I handle stuff like this. Generally, it comes up in contexts (like little girls birthday parties) where the dads are expected to do something “silly” or else risk being ostracized for not participating.
And yes, Mychael is quite in my corner when I refuse either with humor, or if I just ignore it.
She has a way of sending the “my husband does what he wants, thank God” message pretty well.
When you watch the Chase commercial it is shot so that the first impression you get from the man applying make up is that he’s transgender. Watch from the start to the :20 mark. His expressions are of sincerity, reservation, hesitancy and shame, but not in the context of he’s doing something “silly” for his daughter. Rather the initial impression is that this guy is doing something “courageous” by coming out as trans.
The “oh, phew, I thought it was something different” relief comes when you see he cross dresses for his ballerina daughter, that’s when you go “well ok then, I guess it’s all good”.
Rollo, that is a fantastic observation, man.
But the ever weirder part is, what are we supposed to be worried about?
“Phew. He’s not headed into the women’s restroom at Target.”
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Of course not, BtP, I just think it’s useful to keep in mind how quickly some of these things change.I half expect that within a few decades the pink/blue gender differentiation will be consigned to historical trivia. “Did you know that from 1940-2040 people in the West associated pink with girls and blue with boys”.
I’m not suggesting that there isn’t a general societal shift towards diminishing associating things with particular genders. There certainly is such a movement.
Dalrock, thanks for putting up that bible verse. I always like to refer to Matthew Henry’s commentary and he elaborates more plainly on this matter:
“men must not be effeminate, nor do the women’s work in the house, nor must women be viragos, pretend to teach, or usurp authority…[p]robably this confounding of garments had been used to gain opportunity of committing uncleanness, and is therefore forbidden; for those that would be kept from sin must keep themselves from all occasions of it and approaches to it.”
With the world “unclean” no wonder it’s being pushed so hard.
You called it, Dalrock. All expressions of masculinity, and symbols thereof, are a threat to feminism. Even something as prosaic as clothes. It’s not enough for them to wear pants. We must be shamed into wearing skirts.
@htris
BS. Be a man and have the stones to make your argument outright. You don’t believe in the idea of manly pride. This is what you’ve been edging around about since you first started commenting:
The point isn’t that in the early 1900’s pink was for boys and blue was for girls. It was also historically accepted that all children (male & female) were clothed in dresses until a certain age…it helped with diapering. No rational person disputes that styles and customs change over time. What matters here is the relationship of the custom/dress/habit to the –currently– accepted norms.
Dalrock is correctly pointing out the ridiculous and heavy handed push by the media to pressure men into feminizing themselves. I cannot count how many times I’ve heard the phrase “If you were man enough…” or “Real mean wear…” especially when associated with wearing the color pink. As if somehow the shaming language accurately defines manliness.
I am sure that I am far too girly and dressed and made up as a girl will merely look like my Mother; certainly my parents like most parents were terrified that their son would grow up to be effeminate. A spell in Stalag Luft 17 would surely sort that out and the best way to get there is via boarding school and the Army. The best laid plans…
New commentator Trish (I have all the right letters though not necessarily in that order) suggests that the association of blue with boys and pink with girls is a social construct and likely to change. I beg to differ and would refer him to Norwegian Harald Eia’s seven part documentary Brainwash and in particular the episode on sexual equality. It ‘s on YouTube and the relevant part is at about 29’ 30″ where you can see the baby boy crawling towards the mechanical toy and the baby girl towards the soft pink thing.
I was talking the other day to my girlfriend and telling her that a fifteen year old daughter of a friend of mine is having her bedroom painted and wanted all four wall to be a bright shade of Pink. My girlfriend said she had never worn Pink (and come to think of it I have never seen her in that colour) but was enthusing over the fact that some men are wearing a light pink in their formal shirts. No way am I going Pink if for no other reason than I am embarrassed to admit some of the colours I wore back in the seventies. Shades of purple even Abba would have thought twice before donning.
@Dal
You’re on it. As I was reading his post, it became clear that he wasn’t going to consign, nor give the impression of the static nature of manhood/masculinity.
Men do men shit. It not even debatable and it’s hardly that fluid.
Dalrock, You: “BS. Be a man and have the stones to make your argument outright. You don’t believe in the idea of manly pride. This is what you’ve been edging around about since you first started commenting:”.
Good take, Rock. THAT’s the message. WE, not one of us, ever need fold up and toe the feminist de-nutting. That is something going on outside, but in our circles, in our lives and in our churches we must never tolerate this. The push back from us, at the grass roots, can at least halt the destruction of masculinity, keeping this silliness and the alphabet soup of sexual depravity it out of our lives, our families and the minds of our children. They threw feminism at us, then homosexuality, now transsexuality and then it will be another perversion, another attack on masculine heterosexuals and another. It never ends, but we can and must kick back. In OUR lives, we don’t have to have it because nose-to-nose, these people are weak and will find others to pervert where they find strength in those of us who are fighting back.
“men […] prove their manhood and show they care about women by emasculating themselves.”
This is not a petty observation, at all. Women are once again projecting their destructive feminine behaviors—but, this time at the direct expense of masculinity. After all, if she chops off her hair and butches up, then why can’t men perform similarly self-destructive acts? Worse yet, men are accepting the premise and going along with it.
Please, just say no to both sides of this ugly coin.
Watch ESPN. The men now have “soft-metrosexual looks” to garner and appeal to the supposed ‘female demographic’, I mean…..Howard Cosell would have ZERO chance of being hired today. Look at ALL the ‘on field / locker room “sports” reporters now……they are all women. Even on the MLB network there is always at least one female commentator now dressed like she is going to a nightclub with ‘pole-swinger’ shoes on. Look at football, making men wear pink for “breast cancer” awareness……never mind the fact that prostate cancer kills more men today than breast cancer…..and if you DARE question this you have your manhood shamed by men because if you don’t want to protect “boobies” you might as well be wearing a dress. I have said it before….just wait until the pampers commercials and tampax ads appear during the commercial breaks for football, baseball, golf, and basketball
BS. Be a man and have the stones to make your argument outright. You don’t believe in the idea of manly pride. This is what you’ve been edging around about since you first started commenting:
Are you sure htris is a man? I’d don’t get that vibe at all so far.
The Meta Shit Tests have come. Will you transition or not? The ultimate just-get-it tests are upon us and your testicles, literally, are at stake.
“Wait, you actually believed we thought that was sexy?”, says his best girl friend. Man goes, “Oh my God, what I have I done. They promised they would like me if I went on hormones, but they still like the jerk jocks!”
Without fatherly figures and rights of passage into manhood, each man must rely on his internal guide to be a man and resist the social lie of entry into manhood through femininity. You think you’re being the real you, but you are just playing really crappy game. Feminine identity game – and it never works. They will cheer you on to your death. Look at MtF suicide rates.
Hell, Even Jenner said he wanted to keep his D and be a “lesbian” – i.e. maybe Kris just never loved him and grandpa game wasn’t going to work after the divorce.
Dal, I didn’t edge around it. I explicitly said that it’s not for me.
It’s not that I don’t ‘believe in’ manly pride. Quite clearly lots of people have it! I stated that personally, I don’t attach pride to my gender (or race, or sexuality, or country of origin), but rather my actions.
I grew up in a mining town and on the land. Dad was a rugby playing park ranger who liked the ladies and never showed much emotion beyond disapproval when I didn’t win. With that background it’s not exactly a surprise that my interests and behavioural traits mark me as pretty unambiguously male. But it’s not a source of pride (or shame) it’s just where I come from. And yeah, I think the idea that pink is somehow ‘feminising’ is ridiculous. Although that doesn’t stop it from being a pretty awful colour to wear.
All I can say is the androgyny is getting so bad I can’t tell sometimes if a person is a guy or a gal talking to me.
This nonsense is going to get a pushback sooner or later, and it’s not going to be pretty. At some point all there will be left for men is to act utterly feminine or wholly barbaric.
When that happens this will be the battle hymn of the barbarians.
My wife knows better than to buy me anything pink. Bright orange, sure, but pink would go with the other shirts I never wear.
I was not completely bothered in the past for guys who wore pink shirts, but I would probably push more against it now because of the message it includes today.
This is also idiocy, since women are generally attracted to masculine guys. This is a push far from reality.
That video Rollo linked is just embarrassing to watch as is the commercial that precedes it. Why would anyone want to encourage this kind of behavior is beyond me.
“I don’t attach pride to my gender (or race, or sexuality, or country of origin), but rather my actions.”
The pride arises from the extent to which those actions fulfill manly purposes.
Mate, the thing hanging between my legs is designed for pissing and fertilising, and I only plan on doing one of those in my life, so my primary manly purpose is already a wash.
Then, kindly, piss off!
“Mate, the thing hanging between my legs is designed for pissing and fertilising, and I only plan on doing one of those in my life, so my primary manly purpose is already a wash.”
Huh? Who bitch dis is?
Your estrogen treatments are kicking in and you need to lay off the W.H. Auden poetry…
…the stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
for nothing now can ever come to any good…
I guess I’d wax gynocentric too if my nuts were put on time out…
Eh? Do I need to break down contraception for you?
What really stands out is that women are so desperate for a man who actually gives them gina tingles…. there need for this is equal or greater to a man’s need for the world to have more 9s and 10s..
Yet…
Women are utterly incapable of teaching a man how to become more attractive to women. No woman can articulate Game or associated traits to men. Women can only ever mislead men, and any man who does exactly what a woman tells him to do in order to do better with women, will precisely become less attractive to women.
So, even though women are desperate for more attractive men, they cannot understand female psychology well enough to TEACH men anything…
Women are stunningly incapable of self-sufficiency. They cannot even teach men to generate more of what they themselves crave most, and in fact actively misguide men away from it…
No wonder that female unhappiness is a virtual guarantee outside of rare cases of Game and/or strictly patriarchal cultures.
There is literally no culturally accepted norm for operationalizing “masculinity” or “manhood.”
Well, there is Islam…
No wonder female voters vote in more Islam into the West.
Good catch home boy.
A big tip of the hat to the latest trans-man on Dalrock to pull chains and watch the dancing. The fact that you so easily fooled me means that I’m getting old and slow, you’re particularly skilled, and society has degenerated to such an extent that I can’t tell dude from chick any longer.
More blood in the gutter, and me without my spoon…
Boxer
What the hell kind of “tough guy” talk was that. The fella from “40 year old virgin” trying to sound like one of the guys came off harder than that. ha ha ha ha. Go knock up some pussy. Use “jerk boy” game to moisten that hole up. It is the manly thing to do beside pissing sitting down.
Looks like some of y’all beat me to it ha ha ha ha!
Scott – This will result in “he’s not secure in his masculinity” and other nonsense and it’s getting worse.
Scott I rebuke anyone who tries that with me. When they try the shaming I quote scripture. The best they can do after that is A) a weak attempt at misrepresenting scripture or B) attempt to undermine the authority of scripture. Neither goes well for them. If they try option A I put it right back into context. If they try option B I ask them to explain what they appeal to for ultimate authority and why it should be considered higher than the Bible. I find that most believers don’t know the Bible as well as they thought, and most unbelievers appeal to themselves as the ultimate authority (which begs the question why is their opinion better than anyone else’s?).
Option D) Is paranoia :p Commented here because I don’t like being in echo chambers all day long. Not to troll, but out of curiosity. I’m completely ignorant of this side of the table and wanted to interact some. Glean some sort of insight. Determine whether or not you’re all frothing imbeciles or whatever. You’re not. Well, not all of you at any rate
@greyghost
You don’t sit down to pee? Are you a barbarian?
You’re damn right I am. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Good to see you acting like an asshole instead of some fairy trolling a men’s blog.
Just frothing. Not an imbecile.
@Pedat
…… and sweep up the wood?
Check….swept it away indeed