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Rant/Venting[Rant / Venting] Woman really don't like being challenged (self.TheRedPill)

henrikali が 投稿

First of all I'm not really one of you. I have been reading TRP for probably more than a year now. I just recently got myself a better job and started what will hopefully be a long and prosperous career in the skilled trades. If everything goes right, I will be making a good amount of money once I am a journeyman in 5 years. I'm also working out more often, and am at a gym that I really like. In the past month I have gained about 7 pounds which is a lot more than I have gained during past attempts (quick tips - Log everything! Stronglifts 5x5 has an amazing app, and log all the food you eat, count your calories and protein, there are a lot of great apps for this). I'm in a new town, and am trying to meet people.

I met this girl on Tinder, she was easily a 8, and seemed very nice while messaging. Again, I am not really one of you, I am terrible with women (only been with 1), never had a real girl friend. I have a difficult time using the methods described here, but I am trying. This girl and I have a really nice conversation over coffee. I ask about hobbies and she gives me a list of things, and includes debating topics in said list. Later on, after about 45 minutes of talking she mentions she is a vegan. I have a lot of respect for vegans and vegetarians, I think it is a noble thing to do, is great for the environment, and good that you want to reduce your impact on other life. I also believe that hunting is noble, good for animal life, the environment, and good for the economy. I ask her her opinion on hunting and she tells me "I would never even associate myself with someone who would post a picture of their kill on facebook." I give her a few points as to why the issue of hunting isn't so black and white and give a couple of examples of when hunting is good for the animals. I get silence back, I have offended her. She acts all awkward and I crack a few jokes to lighten the tension, she is starting to act a little bit better and I drive her home.

Yesterday I asked her if she wanted to go for dinner on the weekend, and told her that it is good to disagree with people sometimes and that that is something that will happen often. I want to emphasize that I was respectful when discussing hunting, and did not shame her in any way. I actually told her of my respect for vegans and vegetarians, and that I was surprised at how she reacted because she did say that she liked debate!

This is what she texted back. "You shit all over something that is extremely important to me. To say we have a difference in opinion would be putting it lightly. You said some of the most arrogant fucked up things I've heard in my entire life. I didn't attack anything you said but you wouldn't stop attacking me for something I wasn't even pushing. No thank you. Please do not contact me again."

I was shocked at this response, in person she did not seem this offended at all. I didn't bash veganism at all. All I did was talk about how hunting isn't so black and white of an issue. I don't even hunt, it is just a topic I am interested in (Joe Rogan Podcast Check it out!).

In conclusion, Wow this girl does not like being challenged in any way. I didn't mention this before, but she is a psychology student going into her third year. I really wonder what she meant when she said she liked to debate. What on earth are they teaching her in these classes, and how does she interact with friends when she disagrees with them. I imagine to her debate is sitting in a big circle jerking each other off about ideas with no one playing devil's advocate or dissenting from the group.

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[–]red_question 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's more going on here than a simple disagreement about vegan vs non-vegan lifestyles. Like another guy in the thread said, if Brad Pitt offered to take this HB8 on a hunting trip, she'd be falling over herself to learn how to use a rifle.

"I would never even associate myself with someone who would post a picture of their kill on facebook."

This was a test, a call for you to either verify that you're not that person and thus validate her view, or to show her that you are 100% that person and communicate to her that she can deal with it or piss off. By taking the middle road (logically offering counterpoints and hiding behind them), you neutralized yourself and your potential polarity. It probably disgusted her.

The problem wasn't so much that you challenged her, it was that you challenged her and failed. Hot women don't have any reason to put up with that kind of failure, and she let you know that pretty clearly.

Lesson: whatever you do or say, own it. You would have seen radically different results if you'd responded with, "so does that mean you don't want to see the 14-point buck I nailed last weekend? guess I'll have to mount that sucker myself." See? You don't have to mean it, you don't have to care, you don't need to have ever hunted before at all. You just needed to not validate her militant veganism by arguing with it logically.

[–]Kekiganger 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree in general, but the Brad Pitt thing needs some further expansion. If she were attracted to a man enough, yeah she'd probably overlook some hobby in him she doesn't like (e.g. hunting, video games.) But the truth is that women don't really know what they are attracted to in the first place. Brad Pitt could've said that shit to her and she still could've turned to stone. There are 8,000 turn-offs for each woman. It's like a mine field.

The truth is that you can make a woman unbelievably mad at you and even more attracted to you at the same time. The death-knell for a woman's affection is not when she blows up on a guy, but when she cuts off communication altogether.

OP, I think you're probably fried here, but it's a good sign that she took the time to tell you how she felt. That's progress, in a way. But remember the lesson: women create themselves from the outside in. If you tear down something she thinks is important, then (to her) it's like you're attacking her directly. Just remember this.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Masculine polarity means you reward and punish women, children or puppies as necessary to assert your dominance.

If you are fucking a Plate do not seek masculine polarity.

That's the definition of Plate status... it's below the level where you actually permit a woman from breaking your Frame and you have no desire to actually Game her with rewards and punishments to reach a LTR status.

The LTR is entirely different.

In a LTR she accepts the masculine-to-feminine roles and actually gets horny while doing it. She submits to your dominance.

So in the LTR a woman doesn't try to challenge you and if she did and it got too out of hand then that ends the LTR.

What you are describing is the pre-pre-pre-stage of initial interaction with a fucked up empowered Femininst idiot chick.

The question becomes:

"Why challenge a woman who isn't even a Plate?"

...why give a fuck?

Essentially you have to assume she is less than dirt to begin with and only change that opinion as she proves herself willing to submit to you.

And if she never submits you use her as a Plate then "Next" her when done.

 

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are you having a debate with a tinder slut? Sluts are for fucking. What the hell did your argument about killing animals have to do with escalating toward sex?

Frankly, if it wasn't that, she'd have used any number of other excuses you gave her during your "real" conversation and attempts to emotionally connect with somebody you should have been trying to fuck, not connect with, to get away from you. You didn't blow your chances because you challenged her viewpoint. You blew your chances because you didn't escalate and spent the whole fucking time trying to have a real conversation about real viewpoints instead of making her laugh, teasing her, and going for the fuck.

You demonstrated a complete lack of social aptitude. No game. She nexted you.

[–]1Thenextprince 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. 1) don't fucking debate shit with women. Don't even entertain an argument with them. 2) tingles can not exist in a place of logic. If she is not feeling, she is not tingling. Having rationale discourse with her is not going to give her tingles. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE HER TINGLE, DONT HAVE DEEP CONVOS. 3) OP comes off as a beta sperg. You don't talk to women with respect mate, kinda dumb shit is that.

[–]redpillnobody 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's up mofuckah? Congrats for hopping on the RP train and trying to get your shit together.

I am not really one of you

You say this at least twice, and I understand that you're saying this to show that you don't feel like you have much skill or experience with women, but it shows a lack of frame. What I mean by that is that you're starting out from a position of weakness, almost as if you're giving yourself a psychological safety net where you expect to fail so it won't hurt as bad if you do.

I met this girl on Tinder, she was easily a 8, and seemed very nice while messaging.

Hell yeah, get it

Later on, after about 45 minutes of talking she mentions she is a vegan.

Vegans tend to be damn near militantly anti-hunting, and that's important to know because...

I ask her her opinion on hunting and she tells me "I would never even associate myself with someone who would post a picture of their kill on facebook." I give her a few points as to why the issue of hunting isn't so black and white and give a couple of examples of when hunting is good for the animals.

... it's an emotional issue for them. That means that you aren't going to get anywhere with logic, like what you tried for here. I point this out because you can find about 9,001 examples of guys trying to logic their way through an emotional issue with women, and it doesn't really get them anywhere. This is one of those times.

Overall, I think you've learned that she doesn't care much about how much you "respect and w/e vegans" or how you acted super respectful and all of that. On a grander scale, you've gotten some experience, and that's awesome in and of itself. Keep at it, but take a look at the issue of trying to logic a woman into some shit because that's not going to get you anywhere.

[–]throwabcdaway 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree.

" I give her a few points as to why the issue of hunting isn't so black and white and give a couple of examples of when hunting is good for the animals.

Never. Argue. It's very rarely in your interest, (unless you're clever enough to use that to show you have frame), and IN PARTICULAR when the issue is a bit emotional..

[–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You say this at least twice, and I understand that you're saying this to show that you don't feel like you have much skill or experience with women, but it shows a lack of frame.

I noticed this too. He's putting up random barriers to excuse his behavior.

Fuck that. You're one of us if you're in here reading and doing life with us.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This also applies to leftist gay people.

Telling one: "whatever makes you happy. Just don't rub it in my face and we are cool" ( the translation is poor. It was worded in a very polite way ) got me thrown out of a bar.

No big loss but a very valuable lesson about that kind of people.

Ever since I don't associate with such people anymore. Same goes for vegans and vegetarians. They are just far too intolerant of dissenting opinions on their particular topics.

[–]Entropy-7 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Veggies and vegans come in a few flavours, so to speak:

  • medical issues - their body doesn't tolerate certain foods
  • don't like the taste of it
  • religious-minded types (who might be socially religious or true believers)
  • moral types who think it is bad to kill/exploit animals
  • health types who think they are doing their body a favour

I met a few when I lived in Vancouver and they were fine enough to have around and chit chat with but really, I think they have some issues (except for the ones with actual medical issues or the socially religious types).

I wouldn't date a vegetarian on any serious level and certainly not a vegan.

But the Red Pill lesson is that you never debate anything with a women you are trying to get romantic with. And it's worse if it is not black and white because then it is usually her feels against your logic. After you have been banging her for 6 months then maybe you can "discuss" your differences in viewpoints on a few selected topics. However, religion, politics, many social issues and things like vegetarianism/veganism (which is kind of all three rolled together) are just "raise, call and show your cards".

If you are seriously considering the long term potential with her and want to piss or get off the pot, then go ahead. If you are content with an ongoing relationship with no set expiry date then it is best to leave that one alone.

[–]evileddy 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh god.. a vegan woman's vagina is fucking some nasty smelling shit... fuck I had to hold my nose while doing doggy on some of them as each pound would push the stench up into my face.

I told her it smelled and she said "That's natural...you are just used to women who douche"

ew

[–]Entropy-7 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think that is part of a larger phenomena. The "natural" ones don't shave or shower, and they may have cruddy hair in dreadlocks. I saw the type a lot when I lived in Vancouver. You have the vegan, hippy-dippy, kinda-lefty chickie whose fashion sense consists of Gore Tex and Birkenstocks. I suspect they have an Amazon jungle hiding in their panties that you would need a machete to carve a sluiceway for your dick, but I wouldn't know because I won't go near that type of girl.

[–]evileddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

You can smell them from across the room.. and much like how you can't smell your own house... they think it's fine and of course still get fucked by thirsty niggas who don't tell them.

[–]Entropy-7 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Haha. . would that include you thirsty doggie dude?

[–]evileddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What would YOU do for a Klondike bar, motherfucker?

lol

[–]Entropy-7 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Second cousin, maybe; mother, nooooo.

Oh wait, are we talking regular or the Reeses peanut butter ones?

[–]evileddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They have REESES PEANUT BUTTER ONES!!!?

Fuck.. I should have held out longer.. cries while having his 10th shower of the day

[–]probpoopin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot environmental, political, ecological, and socioeconomic reasons for it as well. I live in the pnw, no shortage of vegans here. You actually missed the biggest reason I have heard for going vegan. Farming animals how we currently do, is pretty much the worst thing we as humans do to the environment. A gallon of milk takes 8lbs of greenhouse gas, pound of beef/8lbs, pork/6lbs, chicken and fish/4ish lbs. Most of the time of has nothing to do with the animals treatment and is all about how greenhouse gas intensive it is, or a protest against factory farms and the overall business practice of corporations like Monsanto.

I firmly believe all the memes and stuff that comes out making fun of vegans, saying they do it for stupid reasons, are done by pr firms of these large corporations. I personally believe they are trying to get people to write them off before digging into the interwebs to see the real reasons and do their own research on things like how bad eating a meat heavy diet is for the environment. If they did, they would see there exist legitimate reasons to eat that way beyond, poor animals boo hoo.

[–]nicetimevers 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

vegan girls are crazy (unless you aren't a vegan too).

don't put dick in crazy

next

[–]Inoffesnive_Username 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

All girls are crazy, dude. You want to be celibate?

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are different levels of crazy.

Some levels of crazy are dealbreakers for me.

Veganism, tattoos, dyed hair, feminism, drug use are some of those dealbreakers, for me. If you think militant feminist vegans with dyed red hair are attractive, all the power to you.

[–]Diabolical_Nuke 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say you need to be more playful. Most women get offended when a man they deem below their SMV disagrees with them, so you need to come off as cracking jokes about it...or avoid the subject all together. Let's face it, this bitch would probably "Just like OMG LOVE HUNTING!!!!" if Brad Pitt took her on a hunting trip.

I'd suggest focusing more on game, rather than all the Men's Rights/anti-feminist stuff on TRP. Based on what you wrote, it sounds like you're still going about dating girls in the 'ol Beta Bux role.

[–]StinkyDiaper 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Protip: 95% of women who study psychology as a major do so because they themselves are emotional basketcases.

[–]Inoffesnive_Username 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

tl;dr - women are stupid, don't try to engage with them intellectually.

[–]Darkredsubmarine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

especially when it's some tinder/random chick looking for a shag

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I give her a few points as to why the issue of hunting isn't so black and white and give a couple of examples of when hunting is good for the animals.

That kind of talk (logical, explanatory, detached) is for when you're with guys.

With stupid bitches on a First-World-Problem mission like veganism, do this:

I would never even associate myself with someone who would post a picture of their kill on facebook

Oh, well I don't hunt. Have you seen the new xxx movie / concert / art exhibition / blabbity-blah?

Change the fucking subject and keep the convo light and happy.

EDIT:

I re-read your post and have one extra comment:

Next time just think smarter: if a girl says she's vegan, she most likely hates anything that involves killing animals - hunting, the meat industry, etc., so don't ask her opinion of things (like hunting) that will predictably get her all huffy and self-righteous. You don't need THAT kind of tension between you.

[–]Uptonogood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At some time you got to ask yourself why the hell are you talking to such a person at all then. Even for plating it's horrible to be with someone you're always having to limit yourself.

[–]reddily1 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any girl who takes too much stock in her own opinion is a bullet dodged.

[–]1Thenextprince 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she thinks her opinion has any worth, she's just deluding herself.

[–]flavornuts 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

When debating a woman I've found that the best method to use is the Socratic method, this makes her feel like she came to the logical conclusion on her own. I don't know what the pro-hunting arguments are, but here's an idea for how the Socratic method would look:

You: You empathize with the suffering of animals, right?

Her: Yes.

You: Would you say that keeping them locked in a cage for our consumption is a means of increasing their suffering?

Her: Yes.

You: Would you agree that some humans can't be swayed into becoming vegetarians, either because of dietary needs or because they lack compassion?

Her: Yes.

You: Then why not endorse these people to hunt the animals that they are so determined to eat instead of having them support an industry that maximizes the suffering of animals? A free life followed by a quick death is preferential to a life spent imprisoned in a cage and injected with chemicals.

Her: I see your point.

Her responses aren't always going to be simple yeses and nos and she will try to steer you off topic multiple times. Make sure you don't budge. Stay on topic and follow the sequential steps of the argument through to the logical conclusion by asking the right questions.

Sometimes when using the Socratic method you'll find that you'll start challenging your own beliefs and realize that you hold certain beliefs for irrational reasons. If that happens, stay with it and follow the ideas to their logical conclusion. Life should be about uncovering truths as opposed to justifying biases.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is fucking horrible advice.

Never try to engage women on a logical/rational level.

Especially if she isn't your girlfriend or wife.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always avoid politics and other polarizing shit on a first date. Stick to neutral topics. If she starts bringing up shit like veganism and anti-hunting and growing carrots using her feces as fertilizer, acknowledge it and change the subject.

If she pushes the fucking issue, she's looking for a soapbox to validate herself on Facebook later.

[–]Darkredsubmarine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

growing carrots using her feces as fertilizer

I'd pry into that just for my own amusement

[–]tuxidomasx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

" I give her a few points as to why the issue of hunting isn't so black and white and give a couple of examples of when hunting is good for the animals. I get silence back, I have offended her. "

women dont logic

women feels

[–]letoutyourroar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the fuck are you worrying about this? You failed, you learned, move on. DO NOT COMPETE WITH WOMEN, THEY ARE NOT YOUR COMPETITION. THEY ARE THE REWARD FOR WINNING.

Also, obviously you are one of us if you're here. Man up.

[–]squidracer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

vegan

Should've walked away right there. Vegans are crazy

[–]traptrapstar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would you even discuss hunting with a starry-eyed vegan idealist? That, my friend, is suicidal. I feel embaressed by just reading your story even though I know about your nobleness and superiority. The problem is, women cannot process these types of arguments, which is sad and somehow funny ;)

[–]DoubleTappp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bro, based on what has been posted and the overall contribution to this sub over the last year...you are exactly like the majority of this sub's userbase.

One of my favorite words needs to be utilized here in regards to your tale. "Next".

..and that one is followed closely by "Lift."

Go forth and do great things.

[–]THECHODERAT 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellow apprentice in the trade here, good luck on your journey man! Never stop improving.

[–]_Insidious_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next. Clearly, why the fuck would you want to be with some vegan tight ass retard who nexts you because you stand by your opinion.

[–]1RickJamesBeyach 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'a a waste of time to debate someone who forms opinions based on emotions rather than reason. That would apply to nearly every woman I've known.

Save the debating for your male friends.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

after about 45 minutes of talking she mentions she is a vegan.

"I would never even associate myself with someone who would post a picture of their kill on facebook."

Don't stick your dick in crazy... should have hard nexted the moment you heard this shit.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only way to get out of this situation and still fuck her is the pressure flip:

Wow I really thought you were cool but if you are to immature to understand both sides of the situation you should probably leave.

[–]Darkredsubmarine 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

you should probably leave

Puts him back in control. If it doesn't work out.. it's because he nexted her.. not because she nexted him

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Puts him back in control.

Which would be something that is completely out of his demonstrated character. OP cannot win here. He's revealed himself to be a pushover. With this girl in particular, there's no coming back.

[–]Bottled_Void 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what knowledge did you employ in this debate on the merits of hunting? To me, it sounds like none at all. Is this just a post telling us how you failed to read any of the notes in the sidebar?

[–]Darkredsubmarine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Later on, after about 45 minutes of talking she mentions she is a vegan

I thought the first rule of veganism was to shout about it at every opportunity. She bided her time for that revelation.

Use other answers for a more serious reply

[–]Hjalmbere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dear henrikali, three words: Female psychology student

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You made the mistake of qualifying yourself to her. Of course she was going to react poorly. You never, ever do that as that's approval seeking behavior. The leader in any relationship never seeks approval. Council, maybe, but never approval.

This had nothing to do with you challenging her. It was the way in which you approached the issue. Your standing has significantly lowered in her eyes. You're probably better off moving on.

[–]CTsunami 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't go to coffee. That's for her girlfriends and gay bff so they can blab about nonsense. Meeting for coffee is a foot in the friend-zone. Some men around here use it as a go-to during day game, but to plan it as a date smacks of zero creativity. And don't go to dinner, either.

And if you're going to do either one of those do not ask her. Just say: "I'm picking you up at this time, wear sneakers," or something like that.

Also she's on Tinder. She's not an angel. SHE IS ON TINDER. Lol

Also also: Look at your thoughts on veganism. I this, and I that. She doesn't care. Focus on her. You shouldn't be talking enough that she actually knows what you think. Make her talk about herself more.

Find another one and try again.

[–]Javier_Mendoza 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah dude, women lie. Welcome to your first lesson! When she said she enjoyed debating topics she meant she enjoyed people agreeing with her and having her worldview validated. No matter what she says, women don't want to debate shit, especially on a fucking date.

Some people will say you should have been more direct in your own position or that you should have just agreed with her, but really you should just avoid any discussions involving political/social beliefs on dates. Just nod, smile, and change the subject.

[–]mksu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's Tinder, not a philosophy conference. Your goal is to get your dick wet, not to engage in meaningful intellectual debate, especially since most women aren't capable of it.

You fucked up.

[–]KIZAN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha I learned the hard way, never debate with women, they can't be reasoned with.

I had a similar experience with a girl where I totally destroyed her claims and dropped all kinds of knowledge bombs. I should've known better but this bitch was saying the most uninformed shit . So I put my frame aside and educated her, investing a shit ton of energy.

She started giving off bitch behavior and got pissed and left. I was like fuck yeah I showed her. Then it hit me, I probably fucked up my chances with her, oh well.

AWALT. They're emotional creatures, they don't like logic.

[–]JJonesWisco 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must be too young to know better; do not EVER try to debate a vegan, male or female. It is a cult. Do not try to convince a vegan girl that hunting is a natural part of life. Simply plow her brains out, and let her find out that she was taken by a caveman. She might not come around, but if you do it correctly, she will abstain from commenting on hunting.

[–]DivaExMachina 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a vegetarian (and not a red pill-er). On this specific issue I think I can see where she was coming from. I've known a lot of people over the years who took my vegetarianism personally, like I was personally judging them. I've also known people who said deliberately cruel things to try to get a reaction. Or try to find tiny inconsistencies in my morality as though they are the first person who ever thought of these arguments ('Plants have feelings too!' 'What about all the small animals that get killed at harvest!' ). I avoid discussing it when I first meet people because it's difficult to know how they will react and people can get surprisingly hostile. I'm not saying you were deliberately trying to goad a response from her but it might have come across that way. Honestly, I think it's best to just save the heavy ethical debates until after you've gotten to know someone a bit better.

Her text message to you was out of proportion rude though. I think you dodged a bullet to be honest.

[–]probpoopin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like I need to say this on almost every post these days. You are a beta chump. The only thing on can do is start lifting, make money, and raise your smv as high as possible. This is an excuse for her. Like another poster here said, if Brad Pitt asked her to go hunting, she wouldn't even have to think about it.

You skipped the hard part of trp and are here basically looking for the easy way out on this. Had you internalized trp, walked in that date with bulging muscles and a six figure income, she wouldn't have reacted that way. Again, that message she sent was just an excuse because she didn't like you. Getting to the point of an idgaf attitude is hard and people are not understanding this anytmore. If you don't do the work and try to pull off an idgaf attitude it isn't going to seem natural. Once you lift for a year straight on a good program, make six figures or more, the idgaf attitude comes completely naturally. So does amused mastery. But and however, you have to do the other work or you will just be seen as arrogant for no good reason. You have nothing to back up your idgaf attitude. In other words, you are faking it and women being ultra perceptive to that sort of thing will see right through you.

Op, go monk, lift, work on your career or education and get back out there. This wouldn't have happened if you checked those boxes off first. Use this as a lesson. Never listen to what women say, listen to their actions. She doesn't want another date, but as you said, you were very polite about this. So, she is using that point of disagreement as an excuse to not see you again. If it was Brad Pitt or you had a magic Mike body, she wouldn't have put an ounce of thought into spreading her legs and opening her throat to jam your dick down it.