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Is Gary Neville the most underrated right back in history? (self.reddevils)

JoePears182 が 投稿

I might be biased because i absolutely worshipped Irwin, Neville, Blanc and Brown as a kid and felt that we had some of the best defensive players ever.

However when I look at lists and articles neville is never even in the discussion and even Keane left Neville out of his all time 11 for Parker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H5LTJwHpc

People often refered to our defense as our weak link during our heyday.

Am i completely wrong here?

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[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

You worshipped Wes Brown?

[–]JoePears182[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I loved wes Brown, thought he was a terrific player. As i say though I likely have nostalgia of going to the game with my dad as a kid and being a defender for my local team at that time I always identified with the defenders than the other players.

[–]mufcirclejerk 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's a fair question and I'm glad you've asked it.

[–]JoePears182[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Don't get me wrong I know this sub, I will be downvoted into oblivion.

[–]ColdandTenseMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'll keep my downvote if you can logically explain which qualities of Brown exactly were worth worshiping.

[–]JoePears182[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

OK buddy here goes:

  • Tenacity.

    He was always chasing people down, leaping to head crosses and long balls, didn't give up on tracking players back, put himself in dangerous tackles. He was passionate, loyal to the club and always worked his ass off 100%.

    Whats not to love about a member of the team that pours his heart and soul into performances? He inspired me as a kid to be a better player and to put all my effort into training.

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

He was always chasing people down, leaping to head crosses and long balls, didn't give up on tracking players back, put himself in dangerous tackles.

You just described the basic qualities of a defender.

He was passionate, loyal to the club and always worked his ass off 100%.

That's the least I'd expect of anyone who pulls on the shirt. Not really sure what qualities made him loyal though, as he was a midtable-quality player who had the honour of playing for Man United. It's not like he could have his agent bandy his name around asking for more money elsewhere.

He inspired me as a kid to be a better player and to put all my effort into training.

Brown was okay, but we must've watched different players. Heart and soul is how I'd describe Bryan Robson. Wes Brown usually looked like he was interrupted from reading a book.

[–]JoePears182[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-boss-sir-alex-865023

Fergie admitted it had been a tough decision to allow both to leave. He said: “Wes has been a great asset to the club during the most successful period in its history. He was a product of the youth system and marked himself out from an early age as one of his generation’s most natural defenders. “John has been an outstanding servant to the club. His versatility, calmness under pressure and his commitment to the cause at United means fans will remember him with great affection.”

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well of course he's going to speak well of him. He was at the club for years. I'm not really sure how that quote proves wrong any of what I said.

BTW, Ferguson also said Phil Jones was going to be the best United player ever.

[–]JoePears182[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phil Jones would be great if he wasn't always falling over and breaking his neck.

[–]mapguyAs Tony Martial scores again 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you'd downvote him for having a different opinion than you? Why? He likes a specific United player more than you, and you think that's grounds to potentially downvote him?

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a joke, as he let us all know he'd be downvoted. But okay.

[–]downvotevalacoruna 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really. He's frequently cited as one of England's best RBs of the past 30 odd years. He was a workman who grafted his way to the top, that's why he gets the respect.

Parker arguably was much more naturally talented and I only remember him having one truly bad game (Away at Barca where he was tasked with marking Romario). Injuries did him in though.

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically this.

Neville was not a naturally gifted player, but he had the benefit in playing in one of the best teams in the world that focused on, in his words, "rock and roll football", which played to his strengths.

Granted, he worked harder than any player I've ever seen, and was extremely smart. He was a brilliant player, but not under or overrated.

[–]mufcirclejerk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's tough to identify "underrated" players in a side which wins the treble. I'd say Blomqvist is probably the only truly "underrated" player in that side.

United fans adore him. I think most managers and ex-pros recognise that he was a terrific player.

[–]Dublinguist -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well....I mean....the most underrated right back in history would be a name most of us don't know....right? Cause...like...that's how that would work.

[–]MrBenLadScholsey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought underrated meant they weren't rated highly, rather than their popularity. Cause....like....that's what it says..

[–]Lost_Afropick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Somebody like Michael Reizeiger or Jocelyn Angloma whose names never come up. In the prem Zabaletta has had a great career but Sagna whose been just as solid doesn't get mentioned. That's how it goes with fullbacks in general. Quiet important, quality work sometimes goes unnoticed. Gary Neville was a great imo and part of what made united so good was his understanding with Beckham. People undersell him when they say he was all graft. He had ability and brains too.

The glorious names were a step beyond though It's always the same Cafu, Thuram, Alves, Zanetti etc conversations. I don't quite think G Nev sits alongside those names in my lifetime but just behind isn't bad.

[–]JoePears182[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, underrated simply means people don't give them the credit they deserve.

[–]wakey87433Mata -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Neville is a bit like Beckham, both are naturally not great players but had amazing work ethics which allowed them to maximise their potential. Due to this both have players in their position that stand out more because more naturally gifted players play the position with more flair so stand out but if you looked at it in detail taking every game into account Neville and Beckham probably put in more consistatent performance across their time

[–]ZachMichSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Both were hard workers but Beckham was certainly naturally gifted. He of course trained hard but seeing him play, you can't say talent wasn't there

[–]wakey87433Mata -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

What about his skills are really natural qualities though? His crossing and dead balls are largely technique attributes which are honed by hard work rather than really being natural ability.

[–]ZachMichSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If his crossing and dead ball delivery/goals were just hard work every player would be able to score freekicks like he did and cross like he could. Seeing as there tons of players who don't even come close I would have to assume it's talent. I do realise that he would practice and train but it's ridiculous to say its more hard work than ability

[–]JoePears182[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are some kids who are just good at football. we had a kid who was better than anyone ever playing for one of our local teams (now a pro footballer in the championship and is pretty good on fifa :D)

He was jsut better at being in net, being a defender, being on the wing, centre mid or upfront, the way he could move, the way he could naturally pass and shoot.

We got him to play on our team in a tournament after he started playing for a profesisonal youth team and he scored 5 goals like it was super easy.

And I am betting Beckham was 1000 times the player he is.

[–]Reflex2011 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Becks is certainly naturally gifted imo, even at a young age he stood out above the youngsters around his age winning competitions etc. Even the way he strikes the ball is unique which leads me to believe he naturally figured out the best way to strike a ball.

[–]Lost_Afropick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't get vision and positional awareness like Beckham's by practicing.

[–]JoePears182[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have heard people say Beckham wasn't naturally great, I never understood it, the footage of him as a kid seems like someone naturally great at football.

[–]wakey87433Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like he was naturally awful, you can't become a pro footballer without some natural ability but he is hardly someone who you would look at their raw attributes and say he should have had the career he had. Plenty of much more talent players have had lesser success because their work ethic has seen them fall short of their potential where as Beckham knew his limitiation, put real work into making his stronger attributes amazing (his crossing and dead balls) and would then leave everything out on the pitch