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[–]FrozenSoil 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's being minimized is his being placed on the sex offender registry.

That's a life sentence to hell.

[–]TheRealBruce13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am in Korea right now and I saw this guy face on the Korean news. He is fucked, not only is he on the register, he made the news worldwide. The six months of prison should be the least of his worries and his family's attempt at clearing his name with their open letters just made things worse.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 19ポイント20ポイント  (23子コメント)

Details of the case are oddly hard to find as well.

That's what makes it strange to me.

Put it this way, there are many contradictory reports. One says they walked together and laid down by a dumpster. Then the woman reporter on TheLiptv says he "dragged her behind the dumpster."

I've also heard that she was willing to let it go if he apologized, but that he lawyered up.

I think that in general, these cases are stings. The Rolling Stone case being the obvious example. It's like COINTELPRO has sunk to a new low. Get information on 50-100 of these cases and find out what the common denominator is among these young men. Are they being targeted?

But of course, that doesn't mean that legit actual rapes don't occur. It's a sad situation for both sides. BUT, the coverage is there, the headlines and the media is there. This case either "fits the narrative" or it's being MADE to fit the narrative. But like you said, what ACTUALLY HAPPENED is hard to say...

[–]redpillnobody 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

I've also heard that she was willing to let it go if he apologized, but that he lawyered up.

It's a trap, apologizing would be admitting guilt

[–]true_detective_sf 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Her "victim letter" does not read like the writing of someone who was going to let it go.

[–]illisit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It reads like a really vindictive person who by happenstance got the opportunity to be a "victim".

We really don't know what happened but it sounds like she was willing up to the point she passed out and is just claiming rape to save face, point fingers, blame men, etc. That victim statement was cold though,it read very calculated to me.

[–]RedWinter88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Local student here getting screwed right now. I thought about posting it. Basically headline is "I would have stopped if you said no". Basically next day guy says something like "I didn't know, I would of stopped if you say to, I'm sorry"

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would have worded that very carefully.

[–]npath[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's sad that so many false rape accusations occur, that we have to question all cases the same way. I feel sad for those who have been raped, and those who have been wrongly convicted for rape. It's near impossible to find an unbiased source of information about this case. Too many people are ignoring the fact that she was blackout drunk.

[–]HeadlockBrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

How long after dancing does it take to pass out unconscious? Seems like a pretty tight timeline.

[–]kryptokate 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

When you are really drunk you can go from awake to passed out in about 2 seconds once you lie down. If you stay standing you stay awake, once you lay down you're out.

It is SUPER COMMON to be, for instance, making out/hot and heavy with someone drunk and if you get up to like, go into the bathroom for a minute, when you get back they will be completely hardcore asleep snoring and unrousable. This is not at all unusual.

[–]HeadlockBrock 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm stunned by this phenomenon, but actually it matches with his story 100%. He stood up to barf and then was confronted by the swede #1, then swede #2 checked on her and she was 'hardcore asleep and unrousable'.

[–]HeadlockBrock -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

But dancing just minutes before?

[–]kryptokate 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, she wasn't dancing just minutes before, but maybe an hour before.

People can do all kinds of things in blackouts. Things I have seen people do while not conscious: (1) stand up, walk to the bathroom, use it, and get back in bed, (2) use something they thought was the bathroom but wasn't, (3) eat food, (4) make phone calls, (5) take photos, (6) have conversations.

It's actually a fantastic glimpse into the difference between one's brain (which runs 99% of what you do) and one's consciousness. You don't need the latter to walk, move, talk. And you DEFINITELY don't need it to get sexual. That's a primal behavior that is one of the most common behaviors blacked out people engage in.

Anyone who doesn't have experience with partying and drinking a lot really has no right to comment on this whole incident. His sentence was appropriate to harsh, IMO. The public reaction is way over the top and the sex offender status is ridiculous. These were two wasted, partying students who hooked up and if she hadn't been brought to to the police, this would be similar to thousands of other college students Friday nights that same night. An appropriate reaction for her would be embarrassment and shame and maybe a lesson in not drinking so much. But all the public reaction is over the top and what happened really isn't anything unusual for the type of people who go to fraternity parties. Literally the entire point of frat parties is to get in inebriated and hook up. There is no other reason to attend them. People who are not looking to get inebriated and hook up don't go to frat parties.

Also, black out drunks are generally alcoholics. It's very rare that someone who doesn't drink a LOT blacks out because they will get sick and throw up before they get to that point. Blacking out means your body actually has quite a tolerance for alcohol, so that you can drink a ton without getting sick. Hell, I drink a lot and I have never in my life blacked out (but I've seen tons of people blacked out and it's always hardcore drinkers).

[–]HeadlockBrock -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, she wasn't dancing just minutes before, but maybe an hour before.

So what the fuck does your version of events say they they were doing between dancing and walking to the dumpster? If you're going to make up your own timeline, at least fill it in.

And you DEFINITELY don't need it to get sexual.

There you go. You just exonerated him.

[–]kryptokate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

From my understanding, there was a bunch of time where she was hanging out talking, etc between when her sister was last with her and when she was found. Who knows what she was doing, I don't know and neither does anyone else. I agree that the evidence to convict him was threadbare and personally I wouldn't have convicted. My understanding is that the jury deliberated for several days and felt agonized about the decision. I also agree that her lack of accountability is breathtaking and I don't know why the media is piling on and everyone is rushing to judgment with zero facts and only hearing her over-wrought side of things but not hearing his.

You and I don't disagree but you seem to think we do. Blacked-out people usually behave in an extremely sexual manner, from what I've seen, often groping or trying to make out with anyone in their field of vision. Literally. I have seen both men and women behave this way. If they ever saw a video of themselves after the fact they would be mortified.

If they want to start arresting everyone who has a drunken hook-up with a stranger after a fraternity party they would be sending thousands of men and women to jail every weekend. Everyone resents the white jocks and rich boys and gets gleeful at the idea of them locked up, but if these standards were ever applied to women and you started arresting them, it would be funny to see how people reacted. But that would require college men to actually make complaints -- it's up to them. They could do it.

[–]spexer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

if she was blackout drunk, then she can't give consent. Don't hate the player, hate the game...

[–]killego 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If he was drunk then she raped his fingers with her vagina

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he was drunk then she raped his fingers with her vagina

He should have countersued.

[–]1aguy01 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

How would you know she's blackout drunk? You lack a life experience of you think there's a tell.

[–]spexer 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

hmmm... maybe the fact that she was unconscious?

Not a hard rule to follow dude- don't sex a girl who is out cold.

[–]illisit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black out is when you can't remember, not unconscious. It sounds like she went unconscious after sex had started. He was really drunk and probably didn't even realise.

[–]tb87670 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

But of course, that doesn't mean that legit actual rapes don't occur. It's a sad situation for both sides.

Rape never happens anymore. Not in the actual definition of what is legally rape on the books. The definition of rape has been muddled and expanded upon to the point that the majority of rape cases are nothing more than consensual sex the woman regretted or men being baited into sex with a drunk/high chick.

At this point I am convinced the vast majority of rape cases are not rape by legal definition. Even open and shut cases from the past are being looked at, like the one where the woman dreamed she was raped and the guy went to jail for decades until someone else admitted to it on his death bed. Then the woman tried to hamster out of it saying it was a dream. Crazy shit. I now default to never believing any rape claim anymore. Harsh? Maybe. But it's not wrong. Innocent men by the thousands going to jail and being called sex offenders is wrong.

What is the fix for this? Simple, punishment for false rape accusations. Many women say this will prevent people from reporting real rapes. No it won't. It will prevent women who feel like sluts from saying they were raped when they weren't. It will prevent men from having their lives ruined. Real rape cases should be properly investigated but we need to stop this default of believing the woman all the time, we literally have mountains of proof that millions of women lied about this exact subject and none of them got any punishment for what they have done.

[–]JoeJackJohnson 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

As a paralegal, I'm not allowed to render legal advice....but don't fuck a drunk chick, don't finger bang a drunk chick, don't grab her titties, don't even put yourself in a situation that someone may think you banged a drunk chick...I don't give a fuck if Scarlett Johansen just had a sip of Bud Light and is dry humping your micro penis and soaking through her panties...just don't...

The truth is, the story of what actually happened will never be heard.

[–]jimjam80 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not once in my life have I picked up a woman and banged her when we both were sober. This is advise is simply not practical. It's akin to requiring people to read every last work of the iTunes terms and conditions before clicking that you agree to it . . . just not gonna happen.

[–]NobleShitLord 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Quick question:

How many of you actually have sober sex consistently? I'm willing to bet that everyone here, unless you're in an LTR, have drunk sex on the reg. Saying not to bang a drunk girl eliminates a SIGNIFICANT amount of sex.

I'm not going against your advice because it is sound and significantly minimizes the risk of false accusations but how well does that align with realty? Sex and alcohol are almost inseparable. Perhaps we should create some type of mutual consent form for college campuses?

I'm in my 30s now and this shit not as prevalent even 10 years ago. I'm sad for you guys attending college now because you guys are on the front lines of this male privilege/SJW/manspreading nonsense. It's like death by 1,000 cuts.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

theres a grey area between black out and sober.

avoid the extreme

[–]JoeJackJohnson -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure it's different for everyone, but I'm not big into partying, so I have had very minimal chances to have sex with drunk women (aside from a glass or two of wine or whatever). I imagine kids living the college life, that is pretty much the only way to get some pussy if you don't have much SMV or game.

[–]Darkredsubmarine -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sex and alcohol are almost inseparable

Life and alcohol are almost inseparable.. sex is just part of that

[–]dabrah1 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't like to comment on things unless I was actually there. No one knows what actually happened that night except Brock, and he'll obviously lie through his teeth to get out of jail. The most damning evidence is the eyewitness accounts. Even if they were having consensual intercourse before she passed out, once she was unconscious he should have fucking stopped, and he didn't.

[–]thetotalpackage7 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

They never had sex. He was fingering her, in the dark mind you, and says she was awake. When she passed out I guess is the big issue and only he knows.

[–]dabrah1 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

She was passed out when the two eyewitnesses confronted him, while he was fingering her. Idk what type of morals you have, but thats pretty fucked up that he would continue that after she had passed out , even if it was consensual initially.

[–]HeadlockBrock 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

thats pretty fucked up that he would continue that after she had passed out

Did you even read the comment you replied to?

[–]dabrah1 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

yea, did you read mine, or any of the reports/articles on the case? Two eye witnesses confronted him while he was fingering her- and said that she was unconscious. I'm not a fucking white knight but even if she consented, you don't keep going after a girl passes out.

[–]HeadlockBrock 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is getting really fucking repetitive. There was no witness of penetration, only "he was moving a lot" and "she was not moving very much". Then they confronted him, and then they checked on her. This kind of certainty about filling in the missing details with incriminating acts is exactly the reason that juries suck and the internet is retarded.

[–]dabrah1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

he ran lol. Thats breaking frame to the 10th degree. Like I said, I wasn't there, but he sure didnt do himself any favors. Even on the small chance that he didn't do shit, he'll do 3 months, get out on good behavior, and get on with his life. As for the reputation he'll have forever, he deserves it for being an idiot.

[–]omgimbackagain 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is front page news in Australia. Has been for the last 3 days.

No mention of this happening everyday in Europe from migrants they are paying for, or woman been kidnapped in Africa used as sex slaves then ostracized from their social groups when they return. Finally they have their rich white rapist to present at the alter of social justice. Doesn't matter that UVA/Duke and countless others where bullshit. They finally have one that fits the narrative to beat it into the ground.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so insane.

[–]jimjam80 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. This is a witch hunt, and it reeks of Duke lacrosse.

[–]StManTiS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This happened around the same time. Dude chokes out his girlfriend of 20 years, and then LITERALLY rapes her, and then cuts her arms while trying to get her face with a broken vase.

Did anyone care? Nope. Two drunk college kids may have touched each other's naughty bits - the whole world loses its fucking mind.

[–]HeadlockBrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man bites dog. I keep seeing people making comparison to Corey Batey's abduction, rape, and filming of an unconscious woman. Anybody that claims equivalence is exposing their exceptionally low expectations for minorities.

[–]2wantonton 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

One of the things that many people fail to understand is the difference between "black out drunk" and "pass out drunk."

To be clear, as the facts for this case are hard to come by, I don't know what happened. What I do know is that the girl claims not to be able to remember anything about the events. I'm going to assume the girl is being honest about her inability to remember. So, that means she was likely either black out drunk or pass out drunk. The difference is huge.

As most people know, and as everyone should know, alcohol is a depressant. It shuts down the brain. The more you drink the more the brain is shut down. Drink enough the shut down is involuntary and uncontrollable. For most people, the shut down is consistent across all portions of the brain including memory, speech, cognition and motor skills. People will begin swaying when standing, slurring their words and have to visibly concentrate to understand and decide all at the same time (or within a very few minutes of each other.) They will, more or less, progress in lock step until the person cannot stand, cannot effectively communicate and cannot effectively understand what is happening. If enough has been drunk this will progress to involuntary catatonia/passing out. If they can't effectively walk, or effectively speak, they can't effective decide/understand enough to consent (standards may differ by jurisdiction). This is passing out drunk.

Blacking out is something different. It occurs when the brain does not shut down uniformly. For some reason, some people are prone to having only their higher order brain functions shutting down initially. Functions such as long term memory function and critical analysis. Otherwise, the brain and the body continue relatively unaffected. This means a person can be far more drunk than they appear. If fact, it can be even more deceiving than that. Where as most people learn to look for lethargy/slowing down as symptoms of drunkenness, people who are blacking out usually appear more animated and energetic because their critical analysis (think social filters and inhibitions have been turned off). So, when a person is black out drunk, it is quite possible he/she is willingly and enthusiastically engaging in behavior he/she would normally never do and there is no sign he/she is drunk. Short term memory may be working quite well. In fact, it may appear as though he/she is absolutely not drunk at all given the animation and ability to hold conversations. However, he/she is extremely drunk if the long term memory is turned off and they won't remember a thing. And, eventually that alcohol will effect the rest of the brain and likely do so in a rush. Where usually, most people slip into a passed out state over a period of time where they are obviously getting more and more drowsy, people who are blacking out just drop, rapidly, into a passed out state.

So, it is possible the girl in question was black out drunk and enthusiastically engaging in whatever with Brock. Then, mid whatever, or shortly thereafter she passed out. If so, I don't think that's even remotely rape because he'd have had no indication she was too intoxicated to consent.

[–]kryptokate 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is true but it really isn't just "some people" who have this problem "for some reason". It's generally hardcore drinkers whose bodies have a super high tolerance for alcohol.

The vast majority of people would get sick before they got to this point. By the accounts, she had champagne, 4 shots of whiskey, several shots of vodka, beer, and then who knows what else as she doesn't remember after that. So that's like 7-?? drinks. Most people who drank that much would be totally incapacitated and throwing up unless they commonly binge drink and are used to it.

[–]2wantonton 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed, it is most common in chronic binge drinkers. However, it isn't absolutely limited to them, and we don't know if she was a binge drinker or not.

So, what then seems most relevant is that 1. She doesn't remember anything, including before she left the party, and 2) I don't see any reports that the people at the party recalling indications she was intoxicated. That would mean her memory was shut down but not other brain functions. That's highly indicative of blacking out.

[–]kryptokate 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the police report makes it clear she was a regular binge drinker. She admitted she's had several blackouts before.

[–]HeadlockBrock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does sexual stimulation have the effect of prolonging consciousness before slipping into the passed out state? If so, his story is entirely plausible because he stood up and talked to the swede for a bit, and then they checked on her.

[–]HeadlockBrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at the prosecution's timeline and ask if it makes sense:

  • Dancing and kissing at the frat

(Start timer)

  • Leaving together, walking to dumpster

  • Pass out cold immediately upon getting to dumpster

  • remove her clothes, finger banging for a while

  • dry humping her leg until he gets caught

(20 minutes elapsed)

  • Police arrive and discover her in fetal position

  • Her BAC was 0.127 at 7am, estimated at 0.24 at 1am

[–]redpillnobody 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

tldr: He fingerbanged some drunk broad behind a dumpster outside of a frat house

I still don't understand how he got 3 counts of sexual assault like wtf did he do, use three fingers?

pro tip: don't fingerbang girls who are passed out in fucking public

[–]npath[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Apparently they left that house together and went to that dumpster. One of my theories is that they were hooking up at the party, decided to go somewhere private, and she ended up going unconscious.

[–]redpillnobody 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's pretty much it from what came out of the court case

[–]NietzscheExplosion -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well then he still fucked up, lucky to only get 6months, fucking around in public with witnesses, any woman would change her story too. Just stupid. 6months for being very stupid - deserved.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it was walked back from rape

[–]statface21 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

im wondering about the details too but at the end of the day, never fuck/finger a passed out chick.

[–]exShinra 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is the simple fact of it. Social media is exploding, demanding justice or whatever the fuck those green-haired SJW's want.

The fact of the matter is they don't understand how law, justice, or equality actually work, and are demanding this judge be fired, resign, or removed from the bar. Thats not how it works.

If the plaintiff (The woman, the university, or the state) and her party feel as if the defendant did not receive the correct judgement, they have the absolute freedom to appeal to a higher court.

But they wont, because they don't understand the systems they speak so vehemently about.

The guy is going to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life, spend 6 months in prison, and all of this for what? Because this woman does not have enough agency to not get plastered drunk, and by her own admission "...can't remember the whole night", and use that to take no responsibility for her own actions.

But lets go back to Brock. Is he creepy? Absolutely. He's as beta as they fucking come. But to remove agency from the women and place it on the man for engaging with a woman in a sexual way is what is ruining our society as a whole.

[–]thetotalpackage7 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Here are the facts: (I read the police report and most of the trial transcripts).

  1. She went to the frat party with her sister after consuming 4-5 shots of liquor and proceeded to drink more at the party. She was 23 and didnt go to Stanford.

  2. PArty was crowded and she went out back of frat house and Brock Turner was out there with a couple other people. She consumed more beer.

  3. 18 year old Turner had multiple beers and multiple shots of fireball and made out with a "few" chicks that night. "Victim" was one of them.

  4. While out back and "grinding" kissing, etc they leave in full view of "victims friend/sister to go back to Brock's dorm room.

  5. On the way, he claims she fell and pulled him over by the dumpster and they started laughing/kissing. Here's where it gets hairy (no pun). He claims he was fingering her and dry humping and she was awake the whole time, rubbing his back and enjoying it. (Don't forget it was night time and very dark)

  6. Dudes on bikes come by, go to inspect (peep) and claim she wasnt moving, yell at him and he runs. He claims he thought they were going to jump him and ran, gets tackled and cops come.

  7. Chick at this point is definitely passed out and cops cannot arouse her. They arrest him and bring her to hospital.

  8. Two hours later she wakes up, consents to rape kit test after the cops tell her they found her passed out and a dude possible raping her.

  9. She has ZERO recollection of anything. cant recall calling her sister (which she did) or meeting him (which she did in full view of other people and kissed him etc)

  10. Chick admits to getting black out drunk on multiple occasions. (Chick needs fucking rehab!)

My thoughts: After multiple fake stories (duke lacrosse, UVA rolling stone etc) feminists jump on the rich, white, privileged kid to prove their narrative of rape culture and are horrified of the 6 month sentence. Yet they don't seem to care when hundreds of female teachers rape their 13 year old students. Kid got more time than their hero Bill Clinton and his enabler wife and way more than Lena Dunham did for admitting to stick rocks in her three year old sisters vagina!! #doublestandards

Just an interesting side bit, how many of you have awakened to have your gf or some random chick you banged grabbing your cock or sucking it? I have on multiple occassions. Was I raped? haha. I never felt violated.

Alternate universe: Since he was very drunk too, what if she was jerking him off and riding on top of him and he passed out. Would she have been driven off, tackled, charged with rape, sentenced to jail and be required to register for life as a sex offender?

The police report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf

Turners testimony: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/03/23/brock-turner-testifies-in-ongoing-trial/

TL; DR She kissed and grinded with him in front of witnesses, they left to fuck in his room, after walking away, she falls they hook up some more and at some point she passes out while being fingered (NOT FUCKED).

edit: added links to testimony and police report

[–]npath[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"No that's impossible, have you read the victim's statement?" is how the majority of people would reply to this logic, and that annoys me. Your list of how things went down that night could have very well happened, and yet it's not even brought up for some reason. All I see on the internet is a summary of the case, and how wrong it was for him to only get 6 months.

[–]badabinglove 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

your last paragraph is NEVER brought up. Honestly if they were that familiar with each other I don't understand the outrage. Ive woken up to a blowjob in college from a chick I gave a little too much attention too. I pushed her away but I would never even think to somehow give her problems. This whole brock story is way more tame than what is presented.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

LESSON LEARNED: Don't get a shitty lawyer.

[–]npath[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, could you please link a source or two for this information? I'm just having trouble finding anything official. Thanks

[–]HeadlockBrock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Two hours later she wakes up

In two hours BAC only falls 0.02-0.04%. Have you ever seen someone truly knocked out from alcohol wake up in 2 hours? I've definitely seen alcoholics take coma-like naps like that, but never just standing one moment, passed out the next, and wake up 2 hours later.

[–]StManTiS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

standing one moment, passed out the next

Usually you fall in between.

[–]Mitchell78 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems to me he did very little wrong, and did receive a rather harsh punishment not a lenient one.

[–]MethodicalRedman 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's safe to say this guy is a skeevy rachet ass of a human. From a stoic Machiavellian standpoint, taking advantage of a woman undermines all the time, effort and game we are all aware are necessary for proper seduction. Rapists create divisiveness between the sexes. From a standpoint of empathy, he took away the autonomy she has over her body, something that would make anyone feel like shit. It goes against the founding principles of this country and civil society to feel yourself forcibly entitled to someone else's liberty.

This guy knew he was wrong from the second he was caught in the act and started to run away. He was self aware of his actions and thus was able to process guilt and wrongdoing enough to try to make a break for it. He was probably wasted, but no matter how wasted one gets certain boundaries of behavior have to be acknowledged and adhered to. Whether the act was consensual at first doesn't legitimize what he did, it's creepy as fuck to finger a passed out woman you just met. Like just know that shit. Yeah he didn't pull out his dick but we can't draw lines depending on what acts were committed. If a gay dude fingered your drunk ass some night, you sure as hell would want some serious sentencing for that mofo, not for him to get off easy since 3rd base doesn't count.

She was stupid for getting that drunk and when you are passed out in public you are likely to get robbed, injured, sick, etc. But realistically the only thing someone deserves for being a sloppy drunken mess in our civilized society is a wicked hangover the next day. She was assaulted because a skeevy dude saw an opportunity to take advantage of the situation.

In college I saw dumb drunk bitches wobbling around a moment away from hugging pavement on several occasions. Never saw such as a sexual invite, plain and simple. Never saw it as my problem to deal with either. The mental disconnect for this guy to see this girl as a prime hookup over girls who were still partying, dancing and having a good time goes to show the sinister, creepy, and weak mindset of the rapist rather than a well functioning human being fit for society.

[–]thestoicredpill 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a great explanation-- I agree. In all honesty, this case was adjudicated, and Mr. Turner got his punishment including being on the sex offender registry for his whole life.

[–]HeadlockBrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a jury trial. I keep on saying this. Juries are insane. The judge states plainly that he believes Brock. He also probably thinks Brock is a skeevy ratchet ass of a human, but probably not quite as much as the specific convictions imply.

[–]npath[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've read that they were already hooking up at the party, and that they left together to that dumpster. My problem is that we don't know what exactly happened that night, and the media is trying to paint that picture for us.

[–]NietzscheExplosion 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the most irritating thing about this case is how MASSIVE it is in all media even here in Canada.

Fuck off... tell me about latest the mass killing in the U.S this week.

[–]neonoir 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it disturbing that almost every comment I've heard or read does not show any awareness of the difference between sexual assault [or even sexual assault with intent to rape] and rape, how there are different penalties for each, what the typical penalties would be for his actual charges in that state, and how that plays into this verdict.

[–]kozi88 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

This is actually a very good point. The media leads us to believe that he's undeniably some monster without giving any hard facts; always do your own research and form your own opinions.

[–]npath[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Exactly, it's very easy to blame the accused automatically without even questioning the victim. It's just hard to do research when every website leads to the victim's statement, and how powerful it is.

[–]jimjam80 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Aside from whether or not this guy did it (he was drunk, too and maybe didn't even realize that she had gone limp, but I acknowledge that doesn't matter one bit to anyone since drunk women are always victims and drunk men are always villians) . . . if this woman passed out and woke up in the hospital 3 hours later, does she even recall the incident at all? I refuse to read her empowering statement that's getting so much media, but how does she feel so violated if she has no recollection of it? It seems to me that the real trauma was all of the cops and doctors and media and everything that she got sucked up into after the fact.

[–]npath[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She had no idea that she was assaulted until someone had told her.

[–]kryptokate 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Absolutely correct. Her "trauma" is the shame of everyone knowing. It was apparently published in the news and that's how she found out. Plus she had a boyfriend.

Anyone would be mortified if they found out that they had gotten so drunk that they had their ass out in public and made out with a loser. I've known plenty of people embarrassed for precisely this reason but usually a week later they forget about it. The difference here is that the two guys intervened, she ended up in the hospital, the police were called, and it became news.

You should read her account, she is furious. I guarantee if the hookup had just proceeded and the two guys didn't call the police, this would've just been one night like many others she's had (which haven't been traumatizing enough to prevent her from still getting drunk and going to frat parties even though she's not even in college anymore).

[–]HeadlockBrock 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Her "trauma" is the shame of everyone knowing.

Her 'therapy' is ruining someone's life and being called a beacon of hope for all women instead of an alcoholic disaster.

[–]kryptokate 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, well, there's a reason she's remaining anonymous while he's on the cover of every newspaper.

How else would she possibly explain to her boyfriend that she was even going to a frat party when she's no longer in college (seriously, what woman does that???), not to mention getting blackout drunk at one and then making out with a dude 5 years younger than her.

[–]HeadlockBrock 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

seriously, what woman does that???

Generally someone who wants to get blackout drunk and make out with a dude 5 years younger than her. But not her. She wanted to dance and that's the only place you can dance.

[–]Throw-awy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just found out about this late and what I see is posters on other forums basking in their self righteousness. The aftermath and effects of this is exactly what the SJW's, feminist, Left wing liberal were looking for. They now have a poster boy for their narrative that they can point to and yell "SEE, SEE, WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!" The "we were right attitude" coming from some of these posters are sickening. It's ALMOST as if they are glad this happened just so their narrative was proven right. This case alone is enough to justify what they have been preaching since Duke Lacrosse and UVA, and even more so make Duke/UVA the isolated anomaly. This case will be shoved in the public's face for years and guilty until proven innocent will be the new norm.

This is what Sabrina Rubin Early and Rolling Stone was looking for: A rich white kid going to a prestigious, rich school that supported the massive rape crisis happening on privileged campuses. If you're a male going to college and reading this, PLEASE BE CAREFUL! This case is paving the way for the next big college witch hunt.

[–]TrumpRules2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brock Turner is a piece of shit who should have gotten way longer than the 6 months. I think the prosecutors were going for about 6 years. Him and the affluenza guy got off way too easy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

From what little we can see, this seems very obvious. Man convicted of sexual assault, receives very lenient sentence, because he's 'famous'

This isn't inside RP scope, this looks to be a straight up criminal with connections.

This isn't the droids we are looking for IMO

Luckily, so many idiots have poisoned the well when it comes to these cases, that now we have to look at every one of them skeptically. Though I've seen no reason to think this is among them.

[–]npath[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fully believe that he did it, and he got lucky with the sentence. This was after reading the testimony from her rescuers. I just have a problem with the media claiming what really happened, when we really have no clue.

[–]HeadlockBrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's from a poor redneck family in Ohio and his only way out of pissville was that he worked his ass off in a sport that doesn't pay shit, but allows you to go to college for free. His lawyer almost certainly sucked. His dad is an idiot. This kid had nothing going for him, and was up against an army of the best-paid and most liberal DA team in the country. Law professors from his own school pilloried him from day 1. He never had a chance at the truth even if he was innocent, and they took advantage of the opportunity to set a precedent that will fuck all men.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, well don't bang passed out Chick's behind the dumpster.

I mean, would you be surprised if that came back to bite you in the ass?

[–]HeadlockBrock -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you personally know that he did exactly that? And even if he did, why has this case become the anti-american rallying cry of feminists around the world? Because it was planned that way, and we're all getting fucked by it. The silent majority doesn't believe anything that comes out of the SJW media.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I went by the court documents that have been released, and the witness statements.

Just because TRP is here, doesn't mean that all of a sudden the rules don't apply. the strategy is avoiding a rape case, not to abolish punishment for real rape, or in this case, sexual assault (because it was walked back from rape).

If you're thirsty enough for sex that a drunk as fuck, borderline passed out chick behind a dumpster seems like a good idea, I don't honestly know what to tell you. Take the risk, pray you have good powerful connections.

Let the hens cluck, it's what they do.

Every case is the rallying cry of femenists by the way. Thems the current way society runs, act accordingly. Save the anger for when you can do something about it.

[–]cashan0va_007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excuse me ladies, but I just got some accommodations with a two-dumpster view, who's up for a pump at the dump?

[–]illisit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't fuck her

She willingly went with

She had been hooking up with him earlier

She most likely passed out during the act.

This is very red pill in scope. The only winning move with drunk sluts in the west is not to play.

[–]Zachar1a 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a comment on this particular case at all, but criminal sentencing never made any sense to me. Murder can get you 7 years, or it used to, but having 50 marijuana plants means a life sentence. It's all over the map.

[–]ISIS-the_Archer_one 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude is a fucking psychopath. It really makes my day hearing that he's going to be on the Sex Offender Registry for life. Fuck him and his Ivy League pezzonovanti family

[–]scene_phase_survivor -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was sober and he ran when he was caught assaulting her behind the dumpster. He knew what he was doing was wrong. I also agree that 14 years is too long though.

[–]true_detective_sf -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

A few pieces of information that support Brock:

1) She had a boyfriend and yet was making out with this guy in the frat house 2) They seemingly left to go back to his place together

I was mostly in the 'he didn't do anything wrong, they were making out and starting to have sex when she passed out' camp, but the eyewitness testimony of the two people who pulled him off of her seems pretty damning:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/07/the-swedish-stanford-students-who-rescued-an-unconscious-sexual-assault-victim-speak-out/

“We can see that she isn’t moving at all but he is moving a lot. So we stop and think that there is something strange going on,”

He added: “Peter walks over and asks what he is doing and I am following him. When he stand up we see that she still isn’t moving, even the slightest, so we approach and ask something like: ‘What the hell are you doing?'”

[–]HeadlockBrock 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the police discover her, she had changed to the fetal position.

Let's just assume that she was complicit 100% as Brock tells it. She's now caught naked behind a dumpster of a school she doesn't go to getting finger banged by some nerdy kid, and she's probably going to get in trouble with the law, her parents, and her boyfriend. What would you do in her situation?

Motive is important. I don't think he had a motive to fingerbang an unconscious chick. Most likely his motive was to get an extremely drunk chick to consent to sex with him (morally repugnant, but ambiguously criminal). She, on the other hand, had a strong motive to just go limp and play dead.

At some point, she curls up into the fetal position and goes to sleep. If you are too drunk to notice someone fingerbanging you, are you still able to move like that?