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Permanently Banning Overwatch Cheaters Is The Correct Punishment (pixelgate.co.uk)

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[–]IceBreakBreakinBad 190ポイント191ポイント  (43子コメント)

As long as you're 100% sure they're cheating, I'm good. This is why I'm against the death penalty though.

[–]Karma_collection_bin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Hijacking comment just to say similar concern came up with bans with Dark Souls 3. There were some hackers that would enter another player's world (as is part of the game), and edit the unoffending player's stats. This would result in a ban by the company to the player who did not cheat, but whose character profile is updated and doesn't add up correctly, so automatically banned. This happened to alot of people.

So, make sure you are banning appropriately. And how the fk are you going to be 100% certain with a zero percent margin of error on this? You're going to have players who get banned illegitimately, if you ask me. Maybe not to level of dark souls 3, but yea.

[–]GameChaos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Alot

[–]skankyfishRedEyeMcGraw [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Those weren't permanent bans though - you could regain access by deleting the affected game save.

Not that that's ok.

Edit: deleting an accidental spoiler. Shouldn't Reddit before coffee.

[–]Tiffany_Stallions 22ポイント23ポイント  (34子コメント)

Good thing no one dies from being banned, the worst you get with a false positive is a few annoying weeks until the devs realize their error and reinstates your gaming rights. It's still better then having cheaters ruin all the fun for you (The Division, GTA Online, Rainbow 6: Siege etc)

[–]KountKeto 22ポイント23ポイント  (21子コメント)

the worst you get with a false positive is a few annoying weeks until the devs realize their error and reinstates your gaming rights

And that is not right. Unable to use a product, as intended, that you paid for is not right in any way. If they simply turned your cell phone service, internet service, power, etc for a few weeks while they straighten things out with an 'oh whelp, sorries our bad' you would be singing a different tune.

[–]AaroniusH 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

It really is a false equivalency. You cannot compare being falsely banned for cheating with getting your utilities shut off by mistake, because the reason that you get banned is because they believe that your behavior is having a negative impact on those around you.

When a criminal is accused of murder, they go to jail regardless of whether they did it or not while court is in session, because they're still trying to figure out if he's guilty or not. He could be a danger to society in the meantime if he isn't locked up.

The same goes for cheaters. It's not just you that's affected by the cheating. It's everyone that you play with that's affected, and they want to make sure that the other 11/12 people in the match have a fair match even if you're trying to cheat.

[–]KountKeto [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The entire comparison is being refused service unjustly for a service/product you paid for. You're trying to pick apart the argument to suit your needs.

Criminals accused of violent crimes are locked up for public safety, that's a ridiculous argument. They let non violent criminals free pending trial all the time.

As far as cheaters, the solution is send them to a 'suspected cheaters' server with other suspected cheaters til they can be verified to be cheating or not. If it can't be proved they are cheating they are released back into the 'wild' without impacting anyone.

[–]HyperiantHyperiant [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Even violent criminals go free until they await trial in some cases, such as the police officer who brutally assaulted a teen recently and who has yet to see the inside of a jail cell.

[–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He was sentenced to 4 years in federal prison, better than walking free.

[–]Bwian428 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Pay for your freedom with bail.

[–]HaMMeReD [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol, answering a false equivalency with another one.

They don't lock up most people waiting for court. Usually their is a bail set, someone pays it and that money is held to ensure they goto court.

They could have a bail system for cheaters too, where if you are falsely accused you can pay $100 to be reinstated. If you get flagged a second time, they present the evidence, permanently ban you and keep the $100. Otherwise after a period of time they return it.

[–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see where you're coming from, I dont think that would be wise decision.

[–]asteroid_rage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

this has to be one of the stupidest posts i've seen in here

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    [–]Lolbash 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Wait until someone dosent like you, and uses the reort system on you while you're playing the game. Now you justw asted 60 dollars for a game you cant play.

    [–]Orval 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They don't just blindly ban you because you got reported, they research the issues.

    Also it's a $40 game for most people. I realize this is the PS4 sub, but the majority of players are on PC (and most of the ones who will be able to cheat will be on PC)

    [–]KanyesWhiteDick [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    My brother got blindly banned from Madden the only online game he plays but ea resolved it in a week so whatever

    [–]Mindelan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Was it for hacking though? Blizz has already said that they are being careful with how they detect cheaters and ban them, they aren't going off of just reports.

    [–]Nookiezilla [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Are you serious?

    [–]Xirious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Uh nope. They won't even review your case. It's done even if they make a mistake on their. No take-backsies.

    [–]Sr_Mango -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Until granny gets a stress induced heart attack from seeing a ban notice pop up.

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      [–]Fiurilli [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The scary thing about a system like this is even if you have a very good system that has a 99% accuracy rate it will flop hard.

      Imagine if you have 1 million legitimate players and 1000 cheaters, on average 10.000 people will be falsely accused, while 990 cheaters will be caught red handed. If you look at the amount of bans however more than 90% of them will be false and will result in an illegitimate ban.

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        [–]aYearOfPrompts 306ポイント307ポイント  (96子コメント)

        I like the Rockstar method. Make them play each other on cheater only servers. You don't even have to tell them, just dump them in there and let them grief each other to death.

        [–]rekyuu 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I personally don't like this method because that's still wasting resources just to service cheaters even after the fact of getting caught

        [–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

        Well they still did buy the game(totally no defending cheaters).

        [–]thrakhath [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

        Someone who pays for a ticket to a movie can still be thrown out for being disruptive. I am not a fan of games-as-a-service, but they are made for exactly this reason. The cheaters didn't buy the game, no one did, they bought a ticket to play on Blizzard's servers and Blizzard reserves the right to throw them out.

        [–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        Different you can be as loud as you want with a blue ray.

        [–]thrakhath [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        So the cheaters should have no problem going offline and playing by themselves. Just like a Blu-Ray right?

        [–]crackshot87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Well you can never really be offline in Overwatch sadly.

        [–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        Well if it's a feature advertised for everyone who purchased , then a permban is a no go.

        [–]WINSTON913 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Except that they have you agree to their terms of use when purchasing. You lose all rights anywhere that is held up

        [–]bobthetitanicbobthetitanic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        It would really come down to how a developer defines "hacking" , because some people think glitches and exploits are hacking.example

        [–]crackshot87 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Why? Cheaters can live in ignorance, and keep spending on loot boxes. Blizzard can isolate the problem and still make money off it.

        [–]Fleckeri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        They can also continue purchasing copies of the game if they're unaware they'll be re-banned. Probably an even better way to get money from them.

        [–]Pirate_Pave-low 246ポイント247ポイント  (57子コメント)

        They don't want mods or cheats on their game, period. Instantly banning sends a clear message immediately and will quickly remove the majority of cheaters. Quarantines won't do anything.

        [–]PussySlaying420King 148ポイント149ポイント  (11子コメント)

        I second this, fuck cheaters.

        [–]Kylix_ 36ポイント37ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I third this, fuck cheaters.

        [–]N7-Rook 38ポイント39ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I fuck this, fourth cheaters.

        [–]TheSolomonGrundy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yea i agree!

        [–]AlisonsBody 34ポイント35ポイント  (32子コメント)

        Quarantines won't do anything.

        Well that's just objectively wrong. It quarantines them.

        And perhaps you might come back and say, "but they'll still cheat though!" To which I say, who gives a shit? They're not cheating against me.

        [–]ChuckS117 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        No point in wasting servers in them.

        [–]Mugenjin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The problem is that you basically give them time to tinker with the game if you don't deny them access by banning them. Do you really want to give them access so they can keep developing their cheats? I realize that it will happen regardless but why make it easier for them.

        [–]Pirate_Pave-low 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Additionally, it's not only about the current cheaters, it's about future cheaters. Quarantines don't do shit to prevent future cheaters.

        [–]ilivetofly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yes it does, you do not want to be on the cheaters server. Stuck with people who have cheats better than you and unable to play with your friends.

        [–]Vordus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Great blizzard is spendibg money for the cheaters to play on...

        [–]DrewbieWanKenobie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah I'm not sure how you could argue against this. I guess you might say but then blizzard has to pay to run servers for the cheaters, to which I'd say. Yeah, so what? They still bought the game, right? Not like they're having to run servers for pirates

        [–]KountKeto -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You're right, this is why when they ban cheaters all cheaters are gone from games permanently /s Banning them really does nothing. They just create a new account and download the latest cheats that have worked around the current cheat detection. The devs catch up, then the cycle continues.

        [–]ResidentOfLimbo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        They banned one guy four times, even if he wasn't cheating on his new account and after he changed all the id of his system hardware.

        Overwatch is one that seems to be proving an exception – so far. PC Gamer spent some time digging up conversations on forums and found that cheaters are having a difficult time evading Blizzard’s hammer. “Got banned one day after the official release,” one cheater recounted. “Bought the game again… didn’t hack on it at all, just wanted to enjoy the game a bit. Two days later — banned again. “Bought the game… again. But before doing that, I deleted Overwatch and launcher completely. Enjoyed it again without cheating only for a day.” Even after purchasing the game a fourth time and playing behind a VPN with a new hard drive ID, MAC address and BiosDate, the cheater was banned once more.

        https://www.vg247.com/2016/06/03/overwatch-perma-bans-really-are-permanent/

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          [–]ThereBeGold[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I didn't know that did that - awesome.

          [–]Mangelius 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          They don't. I don't know how this rumour got started. If you grief players and intentionally destroy their vehicles over and over you get sent to a server with other griefers for a few days. Has nothing to do with cheating and it's actually one of the stupidest things about the game, give players an arsenal of weapons in an open world sandbox and punish them for using them on other players? Yeah whoever thought that up should be fired.

          [–]TheStinkySkunkTheStinkySkunk 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's not a rumor. Rockstar started doing that in Max Payne 3. When they first released Max Payne 3 there was a huge issue with cheaters. Then Rockstar started using Punkbuster (IIRC) and started putting cheaters with over cheaters. The first three weeks of the online were really terrible. Every game had a hacker or two.

          Can't say much for GTAV though.

          [–]Mangelius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Correction, Rockstar did that in Max Payne and then didn't really do it again and now people like to cite that rockstar puts cheaters together which is just inaccurate.

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            [–]Troe123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Problem is Rockstar isn't trying to make a competitive game.

            It's harsh, but I appreciate it. The other day I saw a youtube clip of a Widow using what was most likely an aimbot (the scope movement had unnatural stuttering b/t an automatic target & the intended one). One of the random comments said something along the lines of, "I bet Blizzard won't do anything about it."

            IDK if this particular guy got banned or not. But if I was this guy, and I somehow did not get banned, I would have second thoughts about doing it again. I guess he could just keep on buying accounts/copies if he has enough income to support it. But for most, I think the perma bans would be a enough of a deterrent.

            [–]SoYouLikeHerp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, let's not ban them and let them still have fun. They won't feel like they were punished and will want to cheat in other games.

            [–]bleakraven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I disagree, just makes more people think cheating is okay - even if they're not aware they're only going against other cheaters. GTA Online is broken because of cheaters.
            There's nothing much you can do about it either. For example, they can spawn 99 million dollars for you and max level you, thus completelly removing any incentive for you to keep playing or working towards something.
            Or they can decide to simply disable your weaponry, or change your model to something else, or just turn immortal and constantly harass you until you change sessions or quit. Fuck cheaters.

            [–]Ps4_and_Ipad_Lover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And there's a lot of cheaters so the server would be more full than the none cheaters lol

            [–]MostMorbidOneOpapanax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            One of my preferred methods as well.

            [–]DarrowS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It was good but it still took innocent victims way to easily because of people who would try to make your weapons blow up their cars and the like. Side note i was never in bad sport lobby so no Im not crying about my own situations.

            [–]Voyddd 60ポイント61ポイント  (30子コメント)

            It scares potential cheaters to not cheat. Thats the beauty of this system.

            [–]LawdGiveMeLulz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (24子コメント)

            Except not even the death penalty serves as a significant deterrent for committing crimes, doubtful banning on a video game does either.

            [–]Ventorpoe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Terrible analogy.

            People commit crimes mostly due to desperation and mental illness.

            [–]shakewell 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Crimes deserving of the death penalty are often committed as a last resort, or in other extreme circumstances where the punishment doesn't enter into consideration. Resorting to cheating in a video game isn't in the same ball park, hell it ain't even the same sport.

            [–]Voyddd 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Quite the stretch of an analogy, but I dont think thats true either.

            I knew someone that used to live in Saudia Arabia a long time back and the penalty for committing theft is getting your arm chopped off. Apparently that turned off a lot of thieves.

            [–]KountKeto 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I saw Aladdin as well.

            [–]Voyddd 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Never watched Aladdin, don't tell me there is dismemberment in it?

            [–]Brainvillage 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You thought Hostel was bad?

            [–]Ressar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            There's a scene where Jasmine(?) almost gets her arm chopped off in a misunderstanding where someone thought she'd stolen something and didn't know who she was.

            [–]LawdGiveMeLulz 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            "Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime anymore than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of US executions and has the highest regional murder rate." -deathpenalty.org using aggregate data from FBI and separate studies

            Bodily dismemberment is different than death, but that's still anecdotal evidence.

            [–]Pirate_Pave-low -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            You picked an anti death penalty website to source. Nope, no biased stats there.

            [–]LawdGiveMeLulz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            If you went to the site and vetted where they got the stats instead of committing the fallacy of poisoning the well, you'd probably feel differently. And even if you didn't, the onus is on you to show how those stats are untrustworthy.

            Edit: added the part about needing an actual argument

            [–]ResidentOfLimbo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            It should be added. Death Penalty isn't an effective deterrent because murder can sometimes be a spur of the moment thing brought on by irrational thinking and not a planned and deliberate act.

            I.E If you're in a homicidal rage you're hardly going to be weighing the pros and cons of killing your spouse you just caught cheating.

            Also those who deliberately plan & carry out murder, probably don't think they're going get caught in first place. So what ever punishment put in place for that crime isn't effective either as they don't think they're going to get it.

            [–]noturdogg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Everyone thinks they can get away with it.

            [–]Quit_circlejerking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Boy are you reaching.

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              [–]bwc_28 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Almost 90% of experts agree the death penalty does not act as a deterrent.

              [–]KountKeto 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I'm pretty sure the amount of people murdered and people sitting on death row is enough proof.

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                [–]DarkpoulayYamisaku 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Maybe check the civilized countries that don't have death penalty ?

                [–]SuperSocrates 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                According to Wikipedia, among countries that are part of Western society (relatively wealthy, stable functional democracies with well-educated populations) the only countries that still use it are the US, Japan, Singapore, St. Kitts & Nevis, and Taiwan. Unless you believe every European country, among others, is a haven of crime, the facts are pretty conclusive.

                [–]shay626 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Because some states don't have the death penalty and they don't murder more... well except probably Chicago.

                [–]KountKeto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                How do you know aliens won't rain down from the skies and kill everyone without it? Come on now, don't argue semantics.

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                  [–]DragonDDarkdragonddark 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Why is this in /r/ps4?

                  [–]lolmemelol 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Why is this on reddit? This is blogspam.

                  [–]IceBreakBreakinBad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  It's an editorial, actually. As to why we allow it here even though it's related more to PC, there still the potential for this to impact the console space with exploits or other things down the line.

                  [–]jello1990 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I think the problem is when, inevitably, the system starts seeing behavior that looks like cheating, but is purely coincidental and bans people anyway.

                  [–]Zylonite134Zylonite134 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Ok

                  [–]tree_D 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  My response. As someone who played a lot of online competitive games, cheaters will always exist. Always.

                  [–]BioshockedNinjaBioshocked_Ninja 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  i'd be lying if I said I felt bad for any cheater who's been perma banned and lost their money. Sure, they'll always exist but seeing even one get banned brings a smile to my face.

                  [–]Melkath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  My response. As someone who played a lot of online competitive games, sometimes the exploit comes in the form of something that is done on the server level. Meaning it is distributed amongst players.

                  I cant wait until a blizzard employee exploits a server to make a hack work, and 300 people are outed 60 dollars.

                  [–]talkingwirestalkingwires 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  I don't see how this applies to consoles. This generation of machines from Sony and Microsoft have remained uncracked, unless you're running an ancient version of the OS that can't go online in the first place.

                  People got around it in Diablo by importing hacked saved files from the PS3 version of the game, but that's not an option with Overwatch. So the only thing they could issue bans for in the console versions are people taking advantage of a glitch in the game itself. And I don't think exploiting a glitch from sloppy coding should be a perma-ban offense. Patch it and move on.

                  [–]bleakraven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Try playing GTA Online, or checking out the recent Dark Souls cheater/hacker happening.

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                    [–]ENVY456 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I wish metal gear online would implement something like this cheating has cause the user base of the game to fall drastically

                    [–]RRRR2424 9ポイント10ポイント  (28子コメント)

                    I don't think someone on console got a permanent ban in Overwatch. That mostly applies for PC folks.

                    [–]marius_titusltcannibal68 4ポイント5ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    There's no way to cheat in overwatch om console.

                    [–]Gwektro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Not with hacks, but Blizzard in the past has been known for banning exploiters.

                    [–]KenLives [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    You could use Symmetra and shoot people through the wall with your laser turrets.

                    [–]iKeepItRealFDownvote 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm not sure if a certain word falls under the rules and I'm not going to risk it but a certain scene has made that possible already.

                    [–]LeFlop_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (19子コメント)

                    There's no way to cheat in overwatch om console.

                    Xim4 users.

                    Edit: Idk why you Xim4 users are upset and downvoting anybody anti-Xim4. Explain how is not cheating?

                    Reasons it's cheating:

                    1. You need to buy a 3rd party software/product to trick the console into thinking you're using a controller.

                    2. Game developers, tournaments and Sony/MS don't even sponsor Xim4's.

                    3. People that defend Xim4 on MP games are obviously using it because K&M gives them an advantage.

                    4. Xim4 is not like arcade fighting sticks or scuf's. Those are sponsored by MS/Sony are allowed in official tournaments.

                    5. There's a reason why MP shooters are not crossed compatible with console and PC. Because K&M gives you significant advantage compared to a controller user.

                    6. K&M is not even an option to use in any FPS MP game. Only select few games have official K&M compatibility, and almost all on SP/Indie games.

                    Want to use K&M? Play on PC. Or is the joy of easy victories and having a great advantage over controller users is reason you use K&M on console?

                    [–]Ubuhio 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    While it may not necessarily be fair, I don't believe Blizzard considers it "cheating" as I asked a GM that very question and was told to "give the mouse/keyboard combo a whirl to see how it goes! If you notice anything that might border on a truly unfair advantage (exploitation), I recommend you stop using it immediately and contact us on the Overwatch Bugs forums to let us know it's an issue."

                    [–]AkodoRyuAkodoRyu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Actually there is officially licensed XIM equivalent from HORI: link

                    It's of worse quality, but it's the same thing.

                    So yeah, it is pretty much the same as driving wheel or fight stick.

                    [–]crackshot87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    I guess wheels and fight sticks should also be banned by that logic?

                    [–]Kithsander -1ポイント0ポイント  (14子コメント)

                    Is that cheating? The PS4 is fully keyboard and mouse compatible, just the games aren't programed for it. That doesn't mean it's breaking the rules of the game to use one.

                    [–]killbot0224killbot0224 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    It's absolutely cheating. It's using an unlicensed piece of hardware to fake a M&K input as a controller input so you can smash controller users with your superior speed and accuracy.

                    edit: There's a reason M&K inputs aren't enabled on basically any shooters on console.

                    [–]Ubuhio 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I asked this question to Blizzard the other day and this was my answer

                    The question: If I purchase and install aftermarket hardware and software so that I can use a keyboard and mouse to play Overwatch on PS4, can I be banned?

                    Greetings!

                    I'm Specialist Game Master Rabengeist, here for all your concerns! Thanks for contacting me

                    Mice/keyboard combinations for PS4 and Xbox One are unsupported, just like controllers on the PC are unsupported. That doesn't mean they're forbidden, just that there wasn't support devoted to that during the game development. We figure most console users will use controllers, so if using a mouse doesn't work well, we're prolly not going to improve mouse use.

                    On consoles, Overwatch has support for targeting assists (like many other console shooters). During the Overwatch Alpha, some PC players discovered that using a controller allowed the targeting assist, which gave them an unfair advantage. This was a bug -- part of the point of testing the game so much XD -- so we fixed it.

                    If using a mouse on the PS4 gives you a particular PERSONAL advantage -- you just prefer using it -- there shouldn't be a problem. If it gives EVERY mouse user an advantage, then we'd likely just consider patching it out of the game. If using a mouse lets you shoot through walls, that's the kind of thing we'd consider exploitation tongue emoticon

                    So give the mouse/keyboard combo a whirl to see how it goes! If you notice anything that might border on a truly unfair advantage (exploitation), I recommend you stop using it immediately and contact us on the Overwatch Bugs forums to let us know it's an issue.

                    Thanks for your time

                    Whether or not we regard it as "cheating", Blizzard does not and isn't currently banning people for it.

                    [–]vegeto079 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    controllers on the PC are unsupported

                    Huh? Thought they were.

                    [–]drf_teflonminne [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    I want a source on this.

                    [–]theExoFactor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    And Blizzard said they are open to cross console play, but not console to pc play because of m&k

                    [–]killbot0224killbot0224 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Bingo. And why no console players want multiplayer shooters to be opened to PC at all.

                    (or if they are, they should be M&K exclusive lobbies)

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                      [–]Tiffany_Stallions 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Somewhat right nut not fully, Xim4 is only supposed to work with certain games made for it (for example FF XIV). However the Xim4 can do more, some simple macros and hence opens for potential abuse. Even so, getting it to work in a game that doesn't support it could constitute as cheating, it's getting an unfair advantage by exploiting/abusing the game in a way not intended.

                      [–]mrpanafonicmrpanafonic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Im not sure you know what an XIM4 is. It works with every game

                      [–]Ubuhio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I actually asked blizzard the other day if tricking my PS4 into letting me use a KB/M for Overwatch could get me banned. The answer was basically "at this time, no"

                      [–]multiman000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      There are controllers modded to have macros in them already so it's not like you need the Xim4 specifically for the macros.

                      [–]Kithsander [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      FF 14 is a bad example, as you can switch the input controls from controller to keyboard and mouse in the game options.

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                        [–]wadles68Highly_Ironic 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Can you lag switch your internet connection?, or am I thinking about PC? I'm a crap gamer so I just assume everyone else is cheating.

                        [–]JuanTawnJawn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You can but it wouldn't give you any advantage because nobody is the host. Normally if you know you're host you lag yourself and everyone is running around lagging while you play like normal. Used to be a big problem in gears of war 2 back in the day.

                        This way I guess you could lag yourself to a maximum of 250 ping (IIRC this is the game's "cap" for lag compensation) so lagging any more wouldn't help you. This is because the game's net coding is "favour the shooter" where it doesn't matter where you are on your screen at the time, if the enemy shoots you on their screen you die. So lagging could give you a slight advantage. A very slight advantage. But it could also gimp you as well.

                        EDIT: To clarify "favour the shooter" and why lagging would be a double edged sword. If I was fighting somebody and I realize that I can't win this fight and try to run behind cover. On my screen I'll be safe and sound but because this all happens so fast I haven't rounded the corner yet on their screen and they're still able to shoot me.

                        Say we both had 30 ping. I press my button to put up defences to avoid a fatal blow. It takes 30ms to register that on the server. Then it takes another 30 to show that on their screen. So in that 60ms (give or take) if he shoots me I can still die even if I'm safe on my screen.

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                          [–]its_xSKYxFOXx 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          UBISOFT TAKING FUXKING NOTE cough Rainbow 6 Siege cough

                          [–]RutzPacificUtzy14 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          OHMYGOD YES.

                          Plus getting disconnected from the host everytime or having the hostage glitch. Makes me want to kill myself.

                          [–]NEREVAR117 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Can you give an example? I have 100+ hours in Siege and I haven't (noticeably) encountered any cheaters.

                          [–]its_xSKYxFOXx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          It's not prominent on console as much as it is on PC. The PC community has just been littered with hackers and exploiters. A lot of controversy surrounding it and the fact that ESL as well as Anti cheat system is just not put in place. As a console gamer myself, I'm glad we rarely see it, but for the particular game community itself, it hurts to see a lot of like minded gamers practically uninstall and throw the game away because nothing's been done (yet) despite the community's plea for anti cheat. /r/Rainbow6 will explain a lot when you search through the posts, I follow this sub daily as I play nearly daily.

                          [–]baskura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          To be fair, if you need to cheat in Overwatch you must suck pretty bad. It's such an easy game to get the hang of.

                          [–]sudoGaron 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Isn't this only relevant to the PC version though? I've yet to see anyone having issues with a 'cheater' on console.

                          [–]Koteric 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I have always maintained that cheaters should receive a perma ban the very first time. There is no ambiguity whether a cheat is allowed or not. These people are ruining the experience for countless others, the sooner they are gone the better.

                          [–]KawaiiKush 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          But it's really not though, the GTA cheater pool is better. Especially with people getting banned when they weren't cheating in the first place.

                          [–]birkbyjack 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I'm a noob, but how would someone cheat in an online game?

                          [–]HyruleCool 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Well in Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and 3 people would have aimbots that make sure they never miss or something called "god mode" where they're invincible and/or invisible. These are problems I ran into on 360.

                          [–]JueJueBean 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          What does a overwatch cheater look like?

                          The game's not as precise as CS:GO so, how does one tell?

                          [–]hl-99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          cheaters need to get laid more than anything

                          [–]RepeatingMistake [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          So what exactly are they doing that is cheating? What's the exploit that's been discovered that Blizzard bans people for using?

                          [–]CkvegaCkVega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I think it affects PC more than the consoles.

                          [–]kickababyv2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I whole-heartedly agree. They know what they're doing is wrong, why shouldn't they get a severe punishment?

                          And it's different than something like bad language or something, there's no "getting caught up in the moment and cheating." It's the difference between pre-meditated or not and the former should always receive a harsher punishment.

                          [–]ilivetofly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I think the "cheaters server" is a better alternative. Back in the old days if you cheated you couldn't be banned because you owned the game. I dislike this trend.

                          [–]checkerboardgrave [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          I do not play Overwatch much. Cheat how? What are the cheats? I just play and would never be able to tell when I have one.

                          [–]Internutt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Cheating was rampant in FPS games last gen on the Xbox 360/PS3. Those same kind of exploits are entirely possible to exist on PS4.

                          [–]CkvegaCkVega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I'm fine with cheaters being banned, but one false positive is one too many.

                          [–]CriminalMacabre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          No, it's the most effective because every account is worth 69'99$

                          [–]akkkama [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                          Why is this on /r/ps4? There's no cheating in PS4. That's a PC thing. PC gaming is so dumb.

                          [–]ascethetic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          You have clearly never played Diablo 3 on ps4

                          [–]Internutt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Cheating in FPS games was very common on the 360 last gen and was also apparent on the PS3. Just because the methods aren't widely talked about doesn't mean they don't happen.

                          [–]KomaEUIberian_Buffalo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          Is it even possible to cheat on console? Or it is on pc?

                          [–]Internutt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          People have been cheating in CoD and Halo since those series began.

                          Those same exploits on Xbox/360 and PS2/3 should still be possible on Xbone and PS4.

                          [–]thinkadrian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I'm okay with this if the cheating is proven!

                          Cheat as much as you like in your single-player games, but don't be an a-hole to other players!

                          [–]joshua182 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I wish Rainbow 6 siege would do this! Again, you'd need to be 100% correct they were cheating though.

                          [–]colacastellJojohh94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Cheating is not even a thing on PS4, is it

                          [–]BenAfflecksTesticles [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          At least Gunz online had no cheaters/hackers. That game was totally awesome. :)

                          [–]Gavlar4TheAudioProphet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I don't own it but is there some way to report people, could it be abused?

                          [–]ncnam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          to bad the game sucks. I can't even sell a ps4 copy off it for 20$.... fml

                          [–]largehoman 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I think it's a little bit harsh. I love that they are ban hammering them, but to leave no room for them to learn from their mistake is a little over the top. If they're willing to go out and spend another $40 maybe they want to play legitimately. If they want to cheat again then just reban them and make them waste that extra 40 until they give up or learn.

                          [–]MaxiLaRue 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Not harsh at all. This is for people who go out of their way to hack the game in order to ruin it for others. They can still play if they want they just have to buy it again or get a new account.

                          [–]largehoman 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          That's the thing I'm talking about, if you buy it again they'll ban you again whether or not you cheat again. http://kotaku.com/thousands-of-overwatch-players-have-already-been-banned-1780109893

                          It offers no leeway after cheating once.

                          [–]MaxiLaRue 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          That's pretty rough. getting banned for cheating is fair enough, but if you buy a new game you should be allowed back in. I mean, I still don' really care if it's for people who actively hack the game to cheat, but this can catch innocent people too.

                          [–]largehoman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think it's good they ban cheaters. I just think it's a bit excessive is all. You may be able to get them to turn around the ban if it wasn't legitimate but who knows.

                          [–]KountKeto -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          How is this relevant to PS4 in any way?

                          [–]baldeagle86 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The game is on PS4, some users might get banned for exploits/cheats.

                          [–]Sr_Mango -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          IMO Honestly month long temp ban would have sufficed. Perm bans are overboard.

                          [–]SexualTyr4nnosaur 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Perm bans should be the standard.

                          [–]Dilemma90 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          It's cheating bro.

                          It's ruins the integrity of the game.

                          if you are ok with cheating, you might as well never play competitively because who knows whose 1 month just ended..

                          what the fuck?

                          [–]LawdGiveMeLulz -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Ah yeah, forgot about all those sports players and blood dopers that were never allowed to return to their....oh wait. Matters even less cause it's a video game.

                          [–]suite307 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Blizzard's game, they do whatever the fuck they want.

                          [–]LawdGiveMeLulz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          That's a fine argument. Saying you shouldn't play competitively because of cheaters isn't.

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                              [–]PunisherDiceMorgan 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              It goes against the terms that you agree to when you buy the game, so it's perfectly reasonable and justified.

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