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[Transfer Round Up & Discussion] June 9th (self.reddevils)

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Silly season has returned for the 4th summer on /r/reddevils!

Most of you know the drill.

For those who don't...From today until the window closes, a transfer round-up & discussion thread will be made every day. In these threads, ANYTHING can be talked about. Any player, in or out, any transfer fee, anything!

Now, with these threads starting, this means that rumours submitted as separate posts will be removed unless they are from reliable sources!

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[–]woongjinPark, Evra, and that traitorous bastard 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

Looks like Pjanic is going to Juve according to Di Marzio

Who else would be a good midfielder for 30 million euros?

https://twitter.com/dimarzio/status/740658846008541184

[–]Sn0wflake1996 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Optimistically Kante, more realistically Matic?

[–]woongjinPark, Evra, and that traitorous bastard 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much you think Kante would go for? Think he'll have a release clause like Vardy?

[–]Sn0wflake1996 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard to tell, but if he wants to leave which is the way it sounds his price might drop a little bit. I think he could go for that amount of money, the only reason I said Kante was optimistic is that a Champions League team is more likely to pick him (also he is in the Champions League already).

[–]TheJoshider10De Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it funny how you've chosen them for the optimistic and realistic. I'd argue they could be reversed but to be honest I haven't seen enough of him at Leicester to judge.

[–]jonnyshHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if that's a pre-emptive Pogba replacement or if it's more of a Vidal replacement.

[–]woongjinPark, Evra, and that traitorous bastard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im going to guess more of a Vidal replacement they have their midfield of Marchisio, Pogba, and Khedira being starters or near starters and it looks like Juve wants to buy Kovacic from Real.

[–]TheReplacerUnited We Stand 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

22 days to go boys

[–]ZlatanUnited 8ポイント9ポイント  (22子コメント)

What would you guys feel about going after James Rodriguez, on the assumption that Real Madrid actually do get Pogba. Of course this is a hypothetical situation, but I kinda like the idea of having him, Martial, and Rashford immediately behind Zlatan/Rooney or whoever outside of just a talent perspective. That much speed in the middle, considering that our strikers are slow, should really help.

[–]daprodigyx19Martial 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

I would take him, but not for the price that Real want

[–]ZlatanUnited 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

What do you think the price for James will be?

[–]BadApplePineappleDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Close to €80m.

[–]Sabu113Nani 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is he used by Zidane very much?

Pressures on them to clear up their books.

[–]aspiretobewiseCarrick -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really think thats an acceptable price for him, Madrid paid through the nose for Bale and didn't get much return on investment. €80M would be a steal for somebody as talented as Rodriguez.

[–]simmarjit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Madrid paid through the nose for Bale and didn't get much return on investment

He was crucial in his first season, winning their 10th UCL trophy and his goal won them the Copa del Rey. He had an underwhelming season last year, but he improved quite a lot this season.

[–]ZlatanUnited 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that its a little high. Hopefully we could get it super loaded with incentives, like 50+30 for achieving a certain amount of goals like the Ballon D'Or, at which point the 80 is worth it.

[–]Shutupcrime1337Rooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is not your money

[–]UnitedFaxMachine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is when you subscribe to a cable, watch ads, or buy merchandise.

[–]DerFussballgott 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would take him as long as we ensure he's put in a position to succeed. He needs the team built around him to some extent, which Mourinho could potentially do in the 4-2-3-1. No point buying him if we're just going to stick him out on the wing or something silly like that.

He can be world class if he's put in the right position/situation.

[–]fergo1993David de Gea! 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

but why? If you don't like Mata why would you replace him with an slightly upgraded version of the same player? If you read a Madrid fan describe James this season, it's exactly how we describe Mata.

[–]ZlatanUnited -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really like Mata, but the James descriptions I think are simply wrong. In 51 games this season, Mata has 11 Goals and 9 Assists across all levels of play, and James has 12 Goals and 12 Assists in just 31 Games, according to ESPN.

[–]AirIndexLVG is dead, long live LVG 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're comparing statistics, not how they play. If we're using goals + assists as the basis for comparing players you also need to compare the teams they play in, and Madrid have scored over twice as many goals as us this season.

Mata and James are the same player. With James' you might get better creativity around the area, and Mata will always work harder, but the differences are so minimal that it'd make no sense to trade in one for the other.

[–]fergo1993David de Gea! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think James' flashy goals (brilliant shot on him) mask his deficiencies with most people.

Looking past the stats (remember I did say he was upgraded version), James is an enigma, just like Mata. Both require the team to be set-up to accommodate and compensate for them. But to do this requires massive sacrifices to team balance. There's a reason Madrid started playing better when Casemiro came into their midfield at his expense. They're slow, technical players floating around the pitch and you cant nail them to a position.

Both lack the acceleration and top speed to play in the wide positions effectively. Both lack substantial athletic ability and are easily pushed off the ball.

Both are backed by groups of respective supporters who campaign for them to given the no.10 role and when they are given it, they seriously underwhelm in their primary position. They both go missing in games. They'yre both half wingers/half no.10s without fitting either criteria properly.

James has been very lazy and disinterested defensively this season too. Mourinho wouldnt like that sort of thing.

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think he is quite overrated actually. Don't think his best position is a position we need.

[–]ZlatanUnited 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that James could really work if he was given the freedom to be more creative than he is with Real Madrid. His play for Colombia shows what he can do if he isn't on a leash the whole time. I feel like he would work really well, and isn't a big name for the sake of a big name.

[–]DerFussballgott 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

So who's playing no.10 at a class level for us then? Rooney?

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't think we will be playing with a 10.

[–]DerFussballgott 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mourinho loves his 4-2-3-1 and hasn't moved away from it in quite a long time. I don't see him changing now.

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In bigger games he has tended to play 4-3-3.

[–]DerFussballgott 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has still overwhelmingly gone with 4-2-3-1 over the past few years. It's a lot more likelier he goes with that then any other potential change.

[–]In_LibertyTearing You Apart Since 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have reservations about how well he would adjust to the Premier League.

[–]nikolai426Memphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't want to make a post of this because it's seems like it's one of THOSE summer rumors... Kike Marin (El Confidencial) Who was the one who said Mourinho was coming in on a pre-contract agreement a while back is now saying that Bale wants to come back to the Premier League.... (Yes the rumors are back) And we would be willing to pay 120 million euros for him...

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/futbol/2016-06-08/el-united-prepara-120-millones-para-fichar-a-bale-deseoso-de-volver-a-la-premier_1213033/

[–]BadApplePineappleDe Gea 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Kike Marin is not reliable. r/gunners hate him because he always talk rubbish and he uses "could", "would" and "might" a lot. He basically just guessing. El Confidencial is big in Spain but their sports department is average.

Back to Gareth Bale, he won't leave Real Madrid.

[–]Sabu113Nani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. He's about to inherit the godthrone.

[–]In_LibertyTearing You Apart Since 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Back to Gareth Bale, he won't leave Real Madrid.

The fans treat him like shit, he's won everything he can possibly win in Spain, and he's living in a country where he doesn't speak the language. I think of all the top players in Europe, he would be our most realistic target.

[–]ballsywallsyBerbalove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He would have to leave a Champions League winning team to join a team not in the Champions League in order for that to happen. It's highly unlikely if you ask me.

[–]reddit_no_likeyA new dawn is coming... 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So many different combinations of players that could come to United. If player A goes to Club X, then that opens up player B to come to United. And if club Y go for player C, that means player D, player A, and possibly player E would make United into an insane XI.

So many different combinations, so many big names up for transfer, it's going to make for the silliest of silly seasons and very entertaining football to come.

[–]TheGhostOfBabyOscarClub & Country 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm already exhausted by this silly season and it's not even officially started. First PL game seems so far away. Somehow it even feels to me like the Euro is, like, in the way or something. If only all the waiting could be already over. It'd be Day One and we'd see the boys coming out of the tunnel, holding one of those little fuckers by the hand, wearing the new kit, looking proud.

Can't fucking wait.

[–]jonnyshHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

If Pogba comes now, and we get Zlatan up front, how on earth does that line up work?

4-3-3 with the midfield 3 being DM, Pogba, Rooney? That doesn't seem secure enough to me.

4-4-2 with Rooney and Zlatan up top and Pogba next to a DM?

I love the idea of Pogba, but i'm not sure how to reconcile the idea of him with Zlatan & Rooney moving to Midfield.

Edit: Just thought of this - Pogba as the RW of the top 3 (essentially the same role as Mata)

[–]AntoineGriezmann 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho loves his 4-2-3-1. Don't see him moving away from it.

[–]aspiretobewiseCarrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 4-3-3 would work if you put Schneiderlin as DMF and Rooney & Pogba rove around. As we've seen Rooney doesn't abandon his post defensively when he saved us in the FA Cup with some crucial last line of defence tackles. Pogba is very strong in defence so that wouldn't be a problem.

[–]Gonions 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's no way we're getting Pogba, and there's DEFINITELY no way he'd be played on the right wing.

[–]ZlatanUnited 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think that at a certain point, that level of talent fixes issues regarding "fit".

[–]MohbaMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not necessarily, look at Madrid, Casemiro starts over James nowadays because their midfield full of superstars does not work.

[–]ZlatanUnited 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd disagree though in that case because Casemiro's starts are due to needing more defense. Pogba's a much better defender than James, and plays box-to-box far better.

[–]jonnyshHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So would you say that a midfield 3 of Rooney, Pogba, DM (Schniederlin, Blind, Carrick, or other) would be a suitable cover for the defense?

[–]ZlatanUnited 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm still not 100% convinced about that defense as a unit, however, I think that Pogba is well above average defensively. He's great because he can be slotted with the defense, or the offense, and still make a major difference in the final score.

[–]Z1964Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lots of people seem to oppose to the Andre Gomes move, who else would you realistically want in midfield other than pogba and naingollan?

[–]daprodigyx19Martial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally really like him but I also do like some of the CDM options like Krychowiak or maybe Matic

[–]aspiretobewiseCarrick 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't know but I know Gomes isn't the answer as I did some digging and looked up the worst result Valencia suffered all season, a 3-0 drubbing by Athletic Bilbao where he was booked. In that game the 2nd and 3rd girls are scored by players who Gomes (#21) was defending https://youtu.be/VQdgdD-NmJw?t=1m

Youtube highlights can show you a player at his best but at Gomes' worst he looks to be about the same level of players we have now, attacking is his strong suit tho.

[–]shinkag 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

realistic

Pogba

Lol

[–]GGMU1992Jose Mourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont understand why everyone is opposing the move all of the sudden. One guy came and said he an inconsistent and now all of the sudden that is everyones opinion. Watch him for yourselves. He is a very talented player and I would like to have him.

[–]In_LibertyTearing You Apart Since 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's the best attacking midfielder we could realistically sign now that Pjanic is off to Juve.

[–]BlackBossalini 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love a creative midfielder, and another central defender.

No idea who could fit that role in midfield. All of the "rated" players are being snatched up, or are already settled at other clubs.

I feel the right wing may need reinforcing, depending on whether Memphis can play there, or Mourinho uses Valencia/Januzaj/Young (though I'd much prefer a proper winger).

Regarding defense, I don't rate Rojo at either LB/CB, and I feel Bailly&Smalling have very similar play styles, so I'd like some more cover (then we don't rely on rojo/blind/jones).

[–]moaetaMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pjanic seems to go to Juve. :(

[–]sheepshagger1994Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder what happens to Stones now that we've signed Bailly. Will he go to Chelsea?

[–]saintratchetMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was curious about this too. I expected a bigger push from Stones because I thought Mourinho was a big fan.

[–]gosha1988LVG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've read today that Everton plan to keep him for another season

[–]Savage9645Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know this happens every summer...but how legit do you think the Pogba rumors are? European sports media is so weird and different from the US sports media that I never know what 'stories' to believe and what are bullshit.

[–]gosha1988LVG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So far there have been no legit stories about United being seriously interested

[–]ZlatanUnited -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that maybe a 3-5-2 could work well. Considering how speedy our back line is, and the lack of speed between Zlatan and Rooney, having 5 guys staggered in the Midfield would work pretty well, and give enough space for our faster players to either build up the attack, or recover.