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[–]MelissaJuice 58ポイント59ポイント  (65子コメント)

The "girls aren't good at games" stereotype is so fucking stupid. It's already on its way out, but, wow, is it childish.

I have a friend who ocasioanlly says it. He said it, actually, when we were playing Hearthstone and randomly queued against Hafu (female steamer). We lost. Badly.

[–]Axehurdle 16ポイント17ポイント  (64子コメント)

Ugh, my girlfriend is always saying things like this.

I'll be watching Morgan or something and she'll just look over my shoulder and say "she's a girl? Wow, she must be bad." and I'm like wtf?

[–]MelissaJuice 9ポイント10ポイント  (63子コメント)

Bizarre.

I actually started to question my friend about it. As in, "What's your proof? Do you think women evolved to lack those skills or something?" That kind of thing. But he's my best bud, so I ended up letting that one go.

The answer is likely that many girls didn't grow up (like many dudes I know) playing video games nonstop. It makes sense that they wouldn't have developed the skills like we did. But assuming that they did grow up doing that, women are easily as capable as men.

[–]tola8 -22ポイント-21ポイント  (62子コメント)

Women did evolve to like strategy and competition less than men tho? I am a woman who likes strategy a lot, but I accept that I'm not in the majority.

[–]Zedkan 21ポイント22ポイント  (18子コメント)

Just because you're in the minority doesn't mean its an evolutionary trait. I can't find anything supporting disliking strategy as an evolutionary trait.

[–]MelissaJuice 4ポイント5ポイント  (18子コメント)

Proof? Evidence? I'd like to read up on that. That sounds like shaky science to me.

[–]tola8 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

[–]Axehurdle 7ポイント8ポイント  (16子コメント)

Where does this mention the effect being biological?

[–]tola8 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Right in the title of the study. Sex differences. That means biological.

[–]Axehurdle 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

No it doesn't.

I don't see where this specifies that they even think that the differences are caused by biology, let alone have evidence for it.

This just says the difference exists. Which I agree with.

[–]lnrael 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The paper is excellent, though it doesn't support tola8's conclusion. Section 5.2. summarizes nicely.

The biology and psychology literature suggest that competitiveness results both from nurture and nature (see Niederle & Vesterlund 2007 for a discussion)

Economic research to date is consistent with nature, nurture, and the interaction between the two influencing an individual’s attitude toward competition. Although it is unclear, and likely to remain unclear, how much of this drive to compete can be attributed to nurture, there appears to be room for manipulating the preferences for competitions. Indeed, gender stereotypes held in a society have been shown to affect the performance of females on a stereotypical-male task such as math (Niederle & Vesterlund 2010, Pope & Sydnor 2010). If stereotypes can be changed, then it may be possible to encourage more women to compete on stereotypical-male tasks.

[–]tola8 -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

''Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.'' from the WHO. Sex difference means that the differences are caused by biology.

[–]Axehurdle 6ポイント7ポイント  (23子コメント)

I don't think there's any actual evidence to support that though.

Maybe if you were talking about sexuality there would be some argument but as far as games, puzzles, strategy, nope. There's just no evidence at all to suggest men are more predisposed to it than women.

There's lots of anecdotal evidence and there's evidence that societies discourage girls from pursuing these things. But no evidence that, all things equal, they're less likely to enjoy them or be good at them.