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[–]x-mencollector 165ポイント166ポイント  (241子コメント)

Oh gods this clueless twit again.

She is an actress reading a script and the fact checkers suck. I have posted all the errors she made on the youtube channel and its amazing how many there are. She claims to be a geek but is really just wearing the costume for ad revenue. he entire channel is a prime example of "Upvoted because girl"

If you want a really good doc style youtube vid look up comics explained. The person who does the research on that channel knows their stuff and it doesn't need a "Hot chick" to keep your attention or get their point across.

Go ahead and downvote. I'm not wrong, after all she is the one that says that the all new X-MEN started with issue 98 in her second vid and it goes down from there.

Edit: Well since this "Doc" is based on the 1st 66 issues of the x-men and I have been saying its got quite a bit wrong I guess I should back that up.

Here are my 1st editions from 1963-1970 issues of the x-men. So I have the real (Not reprints) to cross check what she and her script writers are saying. http://imgur.com/a/moYRF

So shit on me and call me names but there is one thing I can't be called: Wrong

[–]TheKrooth 13ポイント14ポイント  (47子コメント)

what errors were they?

[–]Ikkinn 31ポイント32ポイント  (20子コメント)

I don't know about X men but I used to watch her GoT reviews and she knew her stuff.

[–]legosexual [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She knows her prompters.

[–]firo_sephfiro -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

I used to watch her GoT stuff and she did cover a lot of cool stuff but it was clearly scripted. She often mispronounced names, got some of the details mixed up with lineages and plot (which is arguably easy to do with a series of this scope), and it was pretty obvious the person behind the camera was the real expert.

That being said, she has a fun personality and her AGoT vids that went in depth about the families were really entertaining and informative and I would recommend them to anyone who is not already on a hardcore nerd level with the series. The small inaccuracies probably won't be as frustrating to more casual viewers.

[–]Ikkinn 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why wouldn't you script it though? They were like 30 minute reviews. In my opinion it would be unprofessional, even for a youtuber, to not have a script.

[–]Screech47 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. They clearly have a goal in terms of production value so of course it's going to be scripted to keep the video from being all over the place (like in one of her recent GOT reviews where everyone in the comments trashed the video over its quality)

[–]TayRay420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like Firo said, she's not the real expert here. Depending on said expert they may be able to wing it sans script just based on their knowledge of the particular subject.

[–]firo_sephfiro -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

No argument there. They put out a consistently top notch production and that requires tight scripting. I'm only bringing up the point because I don't think she knows her stuff as well as she presents on the show, and hardcore nerdy-types will probably notice this. I know a few years ago when I was really obsessed with AGoT and loved her videos I would find at least two inaccuracies an episode. That's not a condemnation of her character or her show or her professionalism. Hell, their ratio of factual accuracy is excellent compared to some of the bigger news outlets. And the content is quality, I can overlook a few small inaccuracies because the in-depth analysis is stellar.

[–]156970129 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know ComicsExplained is (obviously) scripted too, right?

[–]firo_sephfiro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and? I haven't mentioned ComicsExplained once and I haven't taken the person who did's side at all anywhere in this thread. I think you're confused. Not just you either.

People seem to be getting really hung up on the part about me saying it is scripted and are having a hard time deducing whether I'm making an argument about that having a negative stigma. Let's save all these replies the time and energy: I'm not. I don't think there's anything wrong with it being scripted.

I used that along with her inaccuracies about details, as examples that she doesn't necessarily "know her shit" as well as she presents and that some people who aren't as extreme on the spectrum between fanboy and troll might want to hear that. I apologize for assuming some people may actually want a more objective opinion than "OMG she's so perfect love her and shut up" or "she's a disgrace and doesn't know anything".

She knows a lot, but she makes mistakes. She has a very natural way of presenting information that makes her seem quite authoritative. But there are often little details that get mistaken. She isn't just speaking from her mind, she's reading a script that her and her co-collaborator work on together. That's just a fact, not a disparagement. She seems very passionate and as I've said repeatedly, I would recommend her videos. She mostly knows her shit.

[–]Authentic_Apathy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He writes his own scripts though

[–]SketchesFromMidgard 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

not trying to White Knight her or anything but lots of people mispronounce lots of things. Especially if, like her, you'd only really read the books up until that point. If you've only read something and never heard it pronounced it's VERY easy to mess up when speaking.

Ex: my wife pronounced Raleigh, NC as RAY-LEY because she'd never heard it said before.

[–]firo_sephfiro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm aware. It's just she presents herself as a super hardcore asoiaf fan and in the actual circle of hardcore fans who go to cons and follow So Spake Martin and browse the plethora of forums there have been discussions and answers about pronunciations for decades. I agree though the pronunciations thing is petty and it never really bugged me. I did feel a tinge of nerdy pretension when she would get dates or confuse members of dynasties/lineages or mix up certain plot points. It didn't happen to an extent that I disliked her show at all but I am hyper critical and definitely noticed the errors. She's really cool though and she has addressed mistakes on a few occasions when youtubers commented with corrections. And her overall videos explore themes in a really awesome way without jumping off the deep end into tinfoil territory.

[–]polysyllabist2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

She often mispronounced names

I did not notice any of that. But if you were a book reader before the show came out, you may already have had pronunciations ingrained already. She was totally on point from what I just watched, so I don't know.

[–]firo_sephfiro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I haven't watched her videos in years. I think she was relatively new to the scene back then and doing weekly comic reviews and game of thrones lore videos. It's likely she has honed her skills considerably since then. I think I'll get back into them

[–]polysyllabist2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I randomly watched her season two recap ... which is a bit early for her to have been bandwagoning all things considered and when she got to her things she wishes weren't skipped from the books part it was pretty clear to me that she was legit. I only just today found her.

[–]aionquestion -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah.. Hawking is a smart physicist but I wouldn't listen to him talk about politics.

[–]156970129 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And who exactly is an "expert" on "politics" that you would listen to?

[–]SidelineScoundrel 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

The errors are trivial. OP is a hardcore collector, and is picking nits about comic numbering issues, and little else. As in: "Jean Grey actually wore the green Phoenix costume with the yellow sash on her left hip in Uncanny #134; she wore the sash on the right issues 128-133. Hostess is an idiot and not a true fan." He has no legit criticism. Hostess is a huge fan and is legitimately passionate about her many fan-doms. Watch some of her other videos; she's legit, and got me interested in a lot of other franchises- I probably wouldn't have read Dune, or bought my wife Steven King's "Dr. Sleep" without her reviews. She knows her shit, and is really a fan of meaningful, original, and genuine entertainment.
The numbering of 30 year-old comic issues is minor and really irrelevant to most people, and isn't an indicator of anything except the passion for your hobby, not for the passion you hold to the stories and characters.

[–]Prime20 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's the vibe I get from his complaints. If this claimed to be the defacto in depth end all be all explanation of the origin of the xmen then I could see his complaint. But since it's more of the broad strokes and a generalized summary for those who don't know the story I think it's fine.

That and he really really dislikes the fact that she is a girl and believes that to be the reason people are against him rather than his points being superfluous and ancillary to the overall video.

Edit: To clarify I don't believe this invalidates his opinion he is technically right but it comes off more that he's lording his knowledge of minute details over someone.

[–]x-mencollector 11ポイント12ポイント  (23子コメント)

Team rosters, creative teams, issue numbers, Hell she gets the Phoenix saga all wrong and passively disses the 90s animated series and Chris Claremonts contributions to the series.

Whoever does the research sucks. it's like they got their info from a bad wikipedia entry.

It's the purest form of fake geek girl and upvoted because girl.

I don't care how nice the production values are, which is impressive or how hot she is. The simple fact is: They are wrong and full of shit.

[–]TheKrooth 18ポイント19ポイント  (20子コメント)

ah ok. I'm watching it and it's really interesting with facts I never knew before. I can forgive a minor technicality here and there.

[–]Nezaus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a funny and interesting vid, unique documentary

[–]SidelineScoundrel 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? I'm with you. Watch some of her other reviews and commentaries. She does good stuff. Comic Book Guy here is getting his panties in a wad over trivial minutiae.

[–]bikersquid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

how can one dis the 90s cartoon. blasphemy.

[–]macrocosm93 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does she say about Claremont?

[–]aclashofthings 29ポイント30ポイント  (23子コメント)

Okay, so I've read most of this thread, and to stop you from repeating yourself (which I hate doing) I'm going to tell you not to mention that she missed All New by 4 issues, that she charges ($3.99 for an hour long, not just some vlog in her bedroom or voice-over on pdf documentary) for some of her content, or that you're even really being downvoted or even attacked compared to what you call her.

You called her a clueless twit, an actress reading a script that she didn't write, just a hot girl pretending to be a nerd for ad revenue (464k subscribers btw, not too many, even compared to Rob.) That's just not correct. You can be right about everything else, but you are dead wrong about her faking it for that sweet sweet youtube money. There isn't a doubt in my mind that she cares about the X-Men, or that she has nerd cred.

Objectively she does seem to have a bad memory, which doesn't make for a good documentarian. But come on, dude. She's not fucking faking it. That's some stereotypical shit to say.

[–]x-mencollector -1ポイント0ポイント  (22子コメント)

Youre right. I cant call her fake because I don`t know her personally but then again neither do you so who is to say who is right.

So I will ammend, she seems on the disingenuous side to me and since I have caught so many errors on a certain subject I know quite a bit about it does make me wonder on her accuracy on other titles in which I`m not familiar with.

What I would actually like to know is: Is this a one off or more common. Her Vol 2 on X-men was pretty bad too and well as Vol 3.

So if she is just keeping it confined to x-men then fine big whoop but I wonder if there are other like me on other vids she has done who are putting forth the same opinion I have and have the facts to back it up.

Seriously, all I know of Game of Thrones is from tv, who is to say if I paid and watched her GoT docs I wouldnt be getting the same sub standard facts. I dont care about the production value, yes it is fantastic but that is window dressing to the real content and if the content is seriously flawed then that is a big issue.

I know most people are upset because I attacked her, well too bad. I see men and women as truly equal and if people have a problem with me doing it to her because she is a girl but not if it were a man, well that shows a lot.

You are being very civil and bring up valid points but lets be honest you are only doing this because she is a girl and nothing else.

[–]Bigsam411 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

and well as Vol 3.

Volume 3 just came out and is only available for sale on Vimeo. Scrolling through the thread here you keep complaining about her charging for her content and saying its "disingenuous". Why is it then that you paid for one of the documentaries?

[–]aclashofthings 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually I started watching her content because I was getting into Game of Thrones. Having now read the books and history of the world I decided to give her first GoT video another shot.

Early on she's gotten a couple of things wrong (For those of you that care she called the time after Aegons Conquest AL, for Aegons Landing, instead of the proper acronym, AC. She also said that dragons went extinct in 131 AL, when it's actually 153 AC. Epic History House Targaryen.) She's right about quite a bit, but she's wrong, too. So yeah, you're right about that. People will say the minutia doesn't matter but then what's the point of a documentary. The information being correct shouldn't come second to entertainment value.

People have rushed to defend her because some men have been exclusionary and dismissive toward women who claim to be involved in thus far male-dominated interests. But due to your passion on the subject of this documentary I think your comments are well-founded, though unfortunately they have a bit of a sexist ring to them.

[–]Jon_Himself 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are fucking obsessed with her gender, it's pathetic.

[–]UnKaveh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well considering a foundational part of her gimmick is her gender, I wouldn't consider that pathetic.

Especially considering she releases a sexy cosplay calendar every year and has constantly references her own gender and sexual preferences for certain characters or actors. She knows what she is and isn't ashamed to use it - don't you dare shame her for being female and proud.

But her show is pretty shitty nowadays and it's kind of a shame. Probably not all her fault but whatever.

[–]Quixotic91 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep reaching.

[–]CarpenterTalk 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also hold up let me get this straight you paid for Vol 3? Even after all this shit?

[–]x-mencollector 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

nope

[–]CarpenterTalk 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

How do you know it was bad like you said in your post? It's not openly available yet

[–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Its been out since the 27th of May. Just because I have seen it doesn't mean I paid for it.

[–]Ikkinn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You pirated a fucking DIY documentary from a youtuber so you could hate watch it? Jesus Christ.

[–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't hate watch it. I was hoping she had gotten better with her fact checking. The production value of these videos is amazing, she has obvious enthusiasm but all that means nothing if the content is wrong.

It's like a sports caster getting a teams history wrong, like someone doing a retrospective on the Camaro and getting the engine sizes and years wrong. Whats the point of doing it and putting in all the effort when you can't even be bothered to do some simple fact checking?

Much less charge people to view said effort?

[–]CarpenterTalk 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're kind of being a cunt you're sitting here like "HUURR FAKE GEEK GIRL" like fuck dude get a fucking clue.

Just say why the doc sucks and move on. You seem pretty pathetic

[–]defanged_destroyer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

lets be honest you are only doing this because she is a girl and nothing else.

You're a troll.

[–]x-mencollector -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hardly. A troll doesn't have all the original issues to cross check this stuff now would he?

[–]bobbyleendo 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Comics Explained is an awesome channel! I put them on while I draw or paint, and I walk away with with progress done and knowledge on comic characters!

[–]Karuteiru 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was scanning 3 rolls of film and this episode helped me through the ordeal.

[–]marvelexplained1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I read this as "I was scanning 3 rolls of him". I laughed. Thanks for the compliment though.

[–]charbo187 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

She is an actress reading a script and the fact checkers suck. I have posted all the errors she made on the youtube channel and its amazing how many there are. She claims to be a geek but is really just wearing the costume for ad revenue

really? why would you think this? i've watched plenty of her vids and I completely disagree. there is no way she is faking she is very passionate about comics. she has a friggin lannister lion tattoo

you sound like comic book guy from the simpsons.

[–]UniverseBomb [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You do realize that the comic book guy is almost never portrayed as wrong?

[–]churnchoorn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Til having a tattoo of your favorite show means you're an expert on the subject matter

[–]SpiderFan 20ポイント21ポイント  (45子コメント)

She is an actress reading a script and the fact checkers suck

She claims to be a geek but is really just wearing the costume for ad revenue. he entire channel is a prime example of "Upvoted because girl"

Do you have any evidence of this?

[–]x-mencollector 0ポイント1ポイント  (42子コメント)

Evidence? Read the comics. Her issues are all wrong. the production values of this vid are not a one person operation. I could careless if she is hot or an actress the problem I have is she charges people for this first and then puts it on youtube for extra ad money 6 months later when all the core issues are flat out wrong.

It's all a pretty package but the content is substandard. Anybody who knows the X-men or has actually done their research can spot the scew ups a mile away.

Hell in Vol.2 she can't even go a full 60 seconds without a serious fuck up. 38 seconds in, she states that the team changes with issue 98 when even the most passive collector knows it was issue 94. Hell it even says it on the damn cover. "The all new, all different" Now this isn't a minor change either. This is the focal point of the entire franchise. It is the issue that everything changes, not just for the X-MEN but for comics too. X-men 94 is one of the biggest key issues of the 1970's and to screw that up shows how they flat out don't care.

She gets the team rosters wrong and key facts are either glossed over or flat out wrong.

[–]SpiderFan 28ポイント29ポイント  (22子コメント)

Fair enough. She could still be a geek, just not an omega-level geek haha

[–]x-mencollector 14ポイント15ポイント  (21子コメント)

This isn't omega level stuff. This is like other docs who call Stan Lee the artist. All it takes is 5 mins to seach and find out he was a writer.

The X-men have been the biggest thing in comics since the 80s and also sparked the comic film craze we have now. This is elementary stuff she is screwing up.

Hell what next? Saying Wolverine 1st appeared in hulk 158? (Yes I watched a doc that actually said that)

[–]SpiderFan 15ポイント16ポイント  (20子コメント)

haha ok. Well, if it's not omega-level. . . whatever level it is, it's way above mines haha. The video covers a ton so it's expected to have a mistake here and there.

I do realize that there are errors that you are passionate about . . . but you're coming across as a simpsons comic book guy haha. I mean, I can actually see "Hell what next? Saying Wolverine 1st appeared in hulk 158?" being an actual line from him, it an actual scene could be followed up by Lisa fainting understanding "yeah. . . wouldn't that be stupid -fake laughs-"

[–]x-mencollector 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Again I wouldn't care if it was just a doc on youtube but she sells these. Thats my problem. She sells these 1st for 6 months and then puts them on youtube as an ad for the next volume she is selling. If your are going to be selling something you better have your shit together and she doesn't.

[–]firo_sephfiro 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

The appeal of her videos isn't about the factual accuracy of every minute detail of a fictional world. Granted it can be frustrating when she lists an incorrect issue or gets some other detail mistaken, especially if you have asperger's or very little fulfillment in your life.

The main point of her YouTube channel isn't to be an alternative to a wiki, it's to analyze these series and explore deeper themes and historical and social connections, while sharing her own (or possibly her ghostwriter's) opinions and passions about the shows/books/comics/whatever. Her videos (at least what I've seen of her AGoT and X-Men series) do a good job of this and are entertaining so your assertion that she "doesn't have her shit together" despite her video's production values, consistency, and popularity, is frivolous at best. The question a critical thinker would ask is "how important is this detail to the main point?" Does the specific number of the comic book bear any relevance to the comparison of Magneto and Professor X's approaches to the philosophies of Malcolm X and MLK, Jr? No, it actually doesn't.

Do I find myself getting annoyed when she is factually incorrect, sure. But do I let my nerdrage warp my logic into some twisted attempt at an objective argument that she's doing something wrong by making money? No, because that's ridiculous and absurd. She's not presenting a scientific thesis. She's talking about comics and books. You are acting like she runs an accredited news channel and also pretending like accredited news channels are infallible. Even multi-million dollar companies with thousands of employees have had to correct factual inaccuracies (they, in fact, do it on a regular basis). Furthermore, I have no idea where you got the notion that people shouldn't be allowed to make money when they are sometimes wrong about insignificant details. There are millions of youtubers, documentarians, journalists, filmmakers, etc. who are full of shit and profit hand over foot.

Edit: spelling and general coherency

[–]156970129 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. This is a legitimately cool girl doing a legitimately cool video project. Let's encourage her creativity, her entrepreneurship. This troll just wants to complain that she's a girl and not quite as nerdy as ComicsExplained. It's the worst part of the nerd community.

[–]SpiderFan 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair point

[–]RieszRepresent 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who buys these videos? Sorry I have no clue what's going on.

[–]whaaaaaaatever 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

After a few months they're on her YouTube channel anyway.

[–]BedriddenSam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So don't buy it, that's how the world works. Don't act like you are are on some noble quest to expose her, you're just looking for an excuse to be an asshole, I'm guessing you find a lot of these excuses.

[–]onlyaskredditonly 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

I agree that she could have ran the info by some better fact checkers, but I lmao'd at the comparison with simpsons comic book guy.

It sounds like he mostly hangs out with other hardcore comic book fans. I can see him at a party and someone says something like 'Donald Trump said California can end the drought just by turning the water back on' and then xmencollector says 'what's next, Donald Trump claiming that Wolverine 1st appeared in hulk 158 LMAO!' and everyone awkwardly fake smiling at him.

Not that there's anything wrong with being a big fan, the humor is just the lack of awareness that someone with a usernmame 'x-mencollector' may care a bit more about x-men facts than the average person.

[–]x-mencollector 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get what you are saying, its not like Im going after her for not knowing who the guest inker on issue 156 page 3 panel 2 is. that would be just stupid.

There are a ton off simple errors and the best way to describe them is if someone did a doc on the Corvette and said it was built by Ford as a next level upgrade from the Mustang.

Errors like that on a doc meant for sale.

[–]yooossshhii 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Backticks create a code block on reddit. Use a single apostraphe instead.

` vs '

codeblock vs it's

[–]x-mencollector 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My usb keyboard was having issues. I had to reboot and swap keyboards.

[–]x-mencollector 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually I dont hang out with comic people. Im actually a driller on an oil rig and and I rebuild classic Mopar muscle cars and help a buddy manage a tire and service shop on my off time from the rig. So no I`m not your stereotypical comic collector.

I`m just a stickler for detail and being correct because if I fuck up at work or get one thing wrong I could kill someone.

[–]TheSporkBomber 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's a bit disengenuous... if someone did a history documentary and got dates wrong, conflicts wrong, and didn't know whether someone was a president or a secretary of state it wouldn't be outlandish to expect those who care about history to make their concerns known. Including letting those who don't have the in depth knowledge know to doubt the knowledge of the narrator.

But since this is covering comic books you can just call someone a neckbeard and disregard them.

If you're going to do something like this, where you know damn well people love what you are covering and have knowledge on it, you should get it right. It's not hard to fact check these things either; nothing she covered was obscure knowledge.

[–]x-mencollector 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you, also to be honest I wouldnt care if it was just a youtube vid but it isnt. This is produced commercially for sale and profit. That`s where my biggest issue lies.

[–]_Occams-Chainsaw_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just an observation, it looks like you're using a backtick (`) instead of an apostrophe (') in abbreviated words.

Obviously, this isn't a big deal but as Reddit's comment markdown uses backticks as markers for code blocks, your comments have sudden chunks of monospaced text in a different typeface.

[–]Beatoddity1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like they bash him for being passionate about something

[–]not-enough-karma 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

She is an actress reading a script

She claims to be a geek but is really just wearing the costume for ad revenue. he entire channel is a prime example of "Upvoted because girl"

If you didn't attack her for being a girl, then maybe we would have taken you more seriously. You doubt her geekiness just because she is a "hot girl". There are geeks out there, female and male, who might not get all the facts straight as well, but they are not any less geekier than you or her.

[–]x-mencollector 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Of course there is hot geeks out there but then you don`t see them selling this stuff either.

Sure I get it, people are pretty protective of women in general but also to be fair if it was some guy who looked like Brad Pitt doing this doc and I led with oh gods this clueless douche again` I highly doubt I would be getting the vitrol I have been receiving.

In fact we know I wouldn`t, so really who is the sexist here

[–]not-enough-karma 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, a person like you would probably tell him/comment that his facts are wrong. You wouldn't be saying that he is an actor pretending to be geek, or that people like it because he is only hot.

[–]x-mencollector 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that is an opinion you have and I cannot debate an opinion. The simple fact is I wouldn`t change my approach at all. A phony is a phony but if you disagree than that is your right.

[–]aionquestion -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

look at yourself man, you're attacking his person without proof. At least 'comic book guy' gave proof that she's just another 'girl' using her pretty face to her advantage. (which I have no problem with, use what ya got for that dolla.. nomsayin)

[–]androgein1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I highly doubt I would be getting the vitrol I have been receiving.

Yeah, because you keep mentioning her gender. Not a single person would be saying "whoa typical fake hot guy nerd". That doesn't exist. The fact that you know nothing about her and only call her a fake because of her gender is all the evidence needed for the clear sexism.

[–]Quixotic91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, no. Keep reaching for reasons to defend her.

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    [–]Unfa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not the guy you're responding to but you can clearly see her look down at her sheet at least 20 (perhaps exaggerated but I counted at least 5) times during the video.

    This is all nitpicking and I'll agree with you if you point it out but y'know, it kinda takes you out of the documentary.

    [–]straydog13 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ask this guy why he isn't making a video, this girl is the only person I follow on youtube, she did a kickstarter and raised money for these videos because she's so into xmen, just cause she's got a few numbers wrong doesn't mean she doesn't know what she's talking about. She is the writer and producer of video. This guys just mad because women oppress men

    [–]Wesley-Swipes 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So what I want to do here...

    Hahaha. Once I noticed that I just started to crack up every time he says it. Great videos though, I've watched god knows how many now. Fantastic stuff.

    [–]x-mencollector 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They get it bang on every time and don`t need a face to do it. just the pages of the books and nice and clear narration of facts.

    What more does one need

    [–]polysyllabist2 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I found it amazing, and then your comment disappointing ... so I checked her credibility on GoT and she was on point. So I have a very hard time taking you seriously.

    Clueless twit? Not on GoT at least.

    [–]gibmelson 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Maybe she gets facts wrong but there isn't a doubt in my mind that she is a genuine fan of X-MEN and comics in general. Sounds like you are the one who got stuck on the "hot chick" facade.

    [–]x-mencollector 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Sure think that if you wish, the point still stands. This is a poorly researched doc that was offered for sale before it hit youtube.

    [–]gibmelson 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    If I remember it was about $5? For one hour of well produced content presented in an entertaining way. I personally don't care if she got a date wrong here and there, it gave the overview I wanted. So what are the biggest things she got wrong, are there things that critically misrepresents the X-MEN comics?

    [–]x-mencollector 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The biggest thing was in Vol 2 when she not only disses the Phoenix saga as presented in the 90s animated series but also the original writer by dissing the series. He was actually involved with the adaptation and got it bang on because, well he wrote the whole original story.

    She gets many facts of the original 66 issues wrong especially where the sentinels were concerned and considering this original doc came out right around the time of the Days of Future past movie (and not by coincidence mind you.) She ignored key facts about the family dynamic of bigotry and revenge with the creator of the mutant hunting robots and how his son takes up his fathers mantle to attack and kill the x-men himself even though he is a mutant as well. There is quite the subtext of hypocrisy in the original 66 issues. Spider-man and the Fantastic Four are loved and hailed as heroes but the X-men are freaks and hunted like dogs. All of that is missed and easily so if someone had not actually read the books. All it takes is a quick read through and its there plain as day.

    [–]Scientolojesus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why is it that the X-Men were hated but not the other super heroes? Is it because they didn't really fight crime they just fought other mutants?

    [–]WeaponizedDownvote 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The X-Men are mutants which is seen as a threat by normal humans because they're the next evolutionary step in mankind. It's kinda weird because if you weren't told the difference in universe you wouldn't know Spider-Man isn't a mutant and Wolverine is. Also the Fantastic Four's son and daughter are mutants but they're beloved heroes. It's a weird logic but that first sentence is the answer

    [–]uncommonpanda 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Seems the guy is very passionate his hobby, which he seems be an expert in. I guess I'd be pissed too if "marketing personality 19" was telling me megablocks were superior to legos.

    [–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You mean Megablocks aren't superior?

    I keed I keed. Lego is the best but damn is it expensive, I saw the price for a set and I almost fell over.

    [–]Ikkinn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's more like "lover of X-Men DIYs a documentary but it isn't up to 'this is my personality' level of fan standard." Shes yried to turn a hobby into a job and you're hating on the hustle.

    [–]Meh_Turkey_Sandwich 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

    You know, you could simply explain the errors. There is no need to attack her. I've watched plenty of documentaries that had poor information and not once did I find it necessary to attack the host. What's the point?

    [–]x-mencollector 19ポイント20ポイント  (18子コメント)

    I have pointed them out and even compiled a list of her errors and was met with silence.

    All i got on youtube when I posted them was being told to shut up and just enjoy the pretty girl. If it was a minor error or just 1 then fine but these docs are riddled with them and the fact that she charges money for them makes it rather dishonest. They know they have errors and instead of correcting them they pretty much are all "Meh, whatever"

    [–]onlyaskredditonly 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    there's your first mistake. Arguing on youtube.

    [–]x-mencollector 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well yes, youre right on that one. Actually I didnt even try to argue there all I did was post all the errors and time stamps when they occurred. Foolish me

    [–]Meh_Turkey_Sandwich 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I understand. All I'm trying to say is that your argument might be better received, at least here, if you left her out of it. Just point out that the information is incorrect.

    [–]x-mencollector 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You know what? You're right, Maybe I should just post the list of errors and thats it.

    [–]onlyaskredditonly 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I agree with you now that I read your other posts. But from your first one I was like 'uh oh, he's the opposite of upvoted just for girl. He's down vote just for girl'.

    [–]Zulban -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No shit.

    The fact that you've written dozens of comments here without, as far as I can tell, doing exactly that... well it doesn't bode well for your side of the argument.

    [–]Aut0graph 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, especially as the post has cruised onto /r/all.

    [–]Mr_Munchausen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is very interesting. Do you mind posting a list of the errors here? I would love to read them :)

    [–]Zulban -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Until you post them here you just sound whiny. We're not responsible for how YouTube received your criticisms.

    [–]x-mencollector 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Okay here are a few more from the e-mail I sent. You missed that the 2nd Brotherhood started calling themselves The Freedom Force when they were hunting mutants for the government. Shaw also was the 4th person to use the Sentinels. Trask had a son who was the 1st to resurrect the Sentinels but they turned on him when he himself turned out to be a mutant. Then there was Stephen Lang who used them to capture the X-Men and it led to Jean becoming the Phoenix. Then after the Phoenix decimates the Hellfire Club does Shaw mention Sentinels to Robert Kelly.

    BTW Doop isn't a mutant but an extra dimensional demon.

    You want more

    [–]Zulban 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You just vomited a bunch of random plot points onto me. I have no idea what to make of this.

    You need to work on your communication skills. Write a coherent, structured blog post, or make a video. You are not reaching a receptive audience by splattering random comments all over this thread. Make a list of your top complaints. First say how she is wrong, cite where in the video she makes that claim, then cite something proving she is wrong.

    List your biggest complaints, not a bunch of trivial things people won't generally care about.

    Do not do that here. Write something and then link to it here, or on reddit. From my perspective, the author of this video has put way more effort into educating me on the history of x-men than you.

    [–]Quixotic91 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, you need to stop being a complete tool. He's absolutely right, and you're clearly not even a fan of the comics, so why bother arguing?

    [–]Zulban -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I never argued they were wrong, I honestly don't know. I'm just saying they're communicating their points so poorly that I'm left with no choice but to fall back on this video.

    [–]x-mencollector -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I`m not here to educate you on the x-men. I pointed out the flaws and maybe you and I cant communicate well.

    You have an opinion and thats fine but the biggest I would guess is that I dared disagree with a hot girl. Thats the real issue here.

    SHe got all the sub text wrong, she got family lines wrong, she got groups of characters wrong.

    If you are happy being Èducatedby bad facts then fine what ever. Look it up all for yourself but you wont.

    [–]Zulban 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm going to watch this video because it put far more effort into explaining this topic than you.

    I dared disagree with a hot girl

    You sound like a child.

    [–]seminole2r -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I couldn't help but read this in comic book guy's voice

    [–]downvotemachine666 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's like also like pretty bad like that she is like reading like from a like script and still can't like talk and like get it right.

    [–]mdp300 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I haven't watched this video yet. But you just reminded me of a terrible "10 things you didn't know about Star Wars" thing I saw. It was literally just a guy reading stuff off of wookieepedia.

    [–]x-mencollector 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thats what this pretty much was.

    [–]sev1nk 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You call her a "hot chick" as if that's a knock against her channel. She can't help what she looks like.

    [–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Then do what Comicsexplained does: Just have a voice over.

    [–]adc604 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Name checks out.

    [–]_Cunt_Eatswood_ [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

    I agree with you on all points. I will say in her defense that she does seem to be passionate about the material she covers (X-Men, Game of Thrones, etc.) even if she's ill-informed or factually incorrect at times. The one thing that really irks me is listening to her when she doesn't have a script to follow. She's very prone to losing her train of thought and uses an ungodly amount of fillers. Check out her review of X-Men: Apocalypse and listen to how many times she blurts out "like" or "um". It's grating to the ears. Other than that small pet-peeve, she's okay. Definitely not qualified to be making a documentary on X-Men though.

    [–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    Much less selling it for 5 bucks a view.

    [–]Setay11 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    Advertisers pay about $0.09-$0.10 per view to advertise on YT.

    Unless you're implying she plans on charging consumers or was paid by Disney/ Marvel to do content marketing by creating this series.

    [–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    It only hits youtube 6 months after its been on vemo for 5 bucks a shot. Part 3 is on there right now behind a pay wall. Also she and her group had a big kickstarter for videos such as this.

    [–]Setay11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Christ. Yuck, that's rough.

    Oh well, people have paid for dumber shit, I guess.

    [–]Ikkinn [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    She charges a couple bucks before she puts it out for free. This dude HATES the fact she's making money on this. I watched it when it was free, it gave a nice overview of shit for anyone who hasn't dedicated their life to a comic book series.

    [–]Setay11 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    I dont think he's upset that she makes money, at least not primarily - if I had to guess, it'd be because she is positioning herself as an expert about something she isn't, to those that accept her as such.

    Getting a dork's obsession wrong is the going to get under their skin. "Star Track"

    [–]x-mencollector [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Yes speaking like you're an authority on something and getting it all wrong only pisses off dorks.

    I dare you to fuck up sports stats or some other sports star fact with people who play fantasy football or what ever sport their passionate about. Yeah I dare you to call them dorks too after they call you on your bullshit.

    [–]Setay11 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I'm not using dork like a swearword, I am one.

    I've had the same argument a hundred times about my playing in a competitive video game league & watching esports.

    I've never claimed it wasnt dorky, though. Just that it wasnt something childish or pathetic. (No more childish or pathetic than watching sports or playing intramural basketball)

    [–]Reasonably_Lucid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm glad to see this as the best comment, I could tell this was bullshit by her explanation of history...She talks about how poorly women had it and how poorly it still is and then here she is, privileged as fuck, while the guy is stuck in a robot costume saying the stupidest shit ever to help segue.

    I'm really interested in the topic, but not from her.

    [–]anonyjonny 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I know you are on a tear in this thread and I don't want to mess you up, but what offends me most is the fact you keep telling me she is hot.

    [–]KvotheOfTheHill -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't like her either. She keeps talking like what they do is so hard but it really isn't. It is just an excuse on why it takes so long to post videos. She doesn't uses clever effects. Just jump cuts all around and some images here and there.

    Moreover- They did a kickstarter. Afterwards they also begun to sell their videos on another platforms. WHY DO THEY NEED SO MUCH MONEY FOR THIS? The video quality hasn't gone up, nor did the quantity. They post a video a month, sometimes not even that.

    edit: grammar

    [–]kapouwy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Waaahhhh!!! Fake geek girl! Waaaahhhh!!!" So tired of this bull shit

    [–]Spore2012 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Male privilege.

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      [–]Smellyjobbies 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Everytime I saw that robot I just heard "Kill Jester" in the back of my mind.

      [–]LaserFights 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The music really took away from the content. It was drowning her out and pointless. It was too much. The volume was way to high and it needs to be toned down.

      [–]amerikinda 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      WHY IS THE MUSIC MIX SO LOUD!?

      [–]Desmocratic 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I watched this and liked it, I understand the content is huge and existed decades before she was born, so I am ok with a few errors.

      [–]Fanofvariousthings 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Could have done without her 30 minutes of social commentary and history lesson. I agree with x-mencollector. She seems to be reading off a script and is just an actress. She gives a pretty "wikipedia" version of the x-men. Not terrible, but probably nothing new for well rounded fans.

      [–]namesflory 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well I learned a lot. I would probably just skim through a wikipedia page about x-men. It's nice to hear, and easier for some people to pay attention to. Thanks Comic book girl

      [–]makemeking706 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      She seems to be reading off a script

      As opposed to every other documentary that is ad libbed, right?

      [–]mobiuszeroone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'd imagine that their point was that it sounds more obvious that she's reading from a script, instead of making it more natural

      [–]Blobskillz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ofcourse she's reading a skript. you go in front of a microphone and talk for one hour about a subject. You're going to sound like shit without a skript.

      [–]FlyLikeRabbi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Piggybacking off your popularity(4 upvotes) to throw this link in for a podcast I found last week that explains the x-men. Worth a listen from #1

      [–]graepphone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      What the fuck? It's integral to understanding the issues behind the x-men.

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        [–]UniverseBomb -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I never thought I'd see the low-effort garbage that is Comic Girl 19 on this sub. Not a fan of nerd for pay.

        [–]bobbyleendo 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

        What's nerd for pay?

        [–]ChillFactory 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not the person you responded to, but I would assume its in reference to someone who dons the "nerd persona" for an acting gig and essentially gets paid to act like they like "nerd things." Kinda like when TV shows have "nerd" characters that don't actually portray their character's interests well.

        [–]n842 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Using an appearance for views, ad revenue, etc.

        [–]SidelineScoundrel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's a neckbeard colloquialism for female nerds who don't match their basement-dwelling level of trivial knowledge of whatever subject they devote their lonely lives too.

        [–]Quixotic91 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Be careful, everyone's about to jump on you for being a "misogynist."

        [–]bad_pattern10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        from the shtetl to goldman sachs

        they've come a long way

        [–]Exuberant_Murica 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        WITHOUT BRYAN SINGER

        [–]adc604 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        What happened to Comic Book Girls 1-18?

        She needs to do this in the Mystique body suit :D

        [–]exg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Watching this series made me excited about the Xmen all over again. Her and Tyson's energy and love of the books is infectious and I'm glad the series has an ambassador that's so stoked. If you're new to the Xmen or you just haven't read them in forever watch this and you'll probably find yourself diving in to the pages in no time.

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        I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

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        [–]pjmcflur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Go figure. The most active thread I've seen on r/docs and its bickering about some chick. I found her annoying and turned it off. She almost killed me with all that edge.

        [–]EvilNeville -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Later

        [–]Braekdown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ... Okay it's later.

        [–]dizzybizzy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        yeah I got to 'pivot, PIVOT'... peace out

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