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[–]MrOmnos[S] 69ポイント70ポイント  (128子コメント)

Hi guys, as a non US citizen who has never been to US I have a question for you guys. I watch a lot of John Oliver episodes on YouTube and I feel sorry for you guys. Of course every government fucks their citizens and my country is not an exception. But it's not as bad as you guys. I mean you guys get anal fucked by your Government in pretty much everything. Mortgage, Justice system, Education system, everything seems so fucked up in US. Why are you guys so tolerant about guys in suit fucking you over and over again? I mean my people would have given up years ago. We are barbaric lol. If such things happened in my country people would have already burned the entire country. I mean everyone and everything has a Union here. And even a tiny dissatisfaction leads to riots and burning buses on the streets. I am not saying that's a good thing. We take our rights bit too seriously. When I was an undergrad I was part of a independent student union. Our college decided to increase the tuition fees by 25% without giving any good reasons. We pulled all the accounting staff out of the main office building and set fire to the accounting department. Next day we negotiated to 12% increase in fees and books would be provided by the library for an entire semester which seemed fair . You guys seem so chill about everything. Why don't you guys do something about it? I don't mean to say, you guys to riot and burn buses. Just do something. It's sad.

[–]dudeplace 46ポイント47ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm a fan of the John Oliver show too. I live in the us and I see it like this. We have some really fucked up things happening, but they are mixed in with a ton of good things. A show like John Oliver is all about calling out the bad things. So externally you can't see all the good. Most importantly, we are allowed to call out the bad publicly with no penalty (in most circumstances). Low crime rate, well paying jobs, plenty of food and water, schools. Don't get me wrong, it's not paradise, but if you don't like something you have the option to vote changes. Or run for office and fix it. That's the best part, we can have a show that calls out the idiotic things demanding changes without any punishment. That's my take.

[–]brallipop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Most importantly, we are allowed to call out the bad publicly with no penalty (in most circumstances).

Yeah, and no penalty for the people doing bad either. We've basically traded the judicial courts for the court of public opinion. I'd rather we have the occasional vote of no confidence in our government, than be able to tweet insults at corrupt officials.

[–]caffpanda [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Honestly, just as someone who only gets their news from Fox or something, you're using John Oliver as your only real window into what life in the US is like and it skews your view. It's not a backwater hellhole, we've got problems but we've got a lot of good as well. Hell, the fact that you're learning about our problems from one of our own TV shows should tell you a lot about the country; we love to call ourselves out on our crap.

[–]MrOmnos[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never it was a hell hole. I said you Americans don't seem to do anything about your problems.

[–]LordFyodor 58ポイント59ポイント  (30子コメント)

Ignorance is bliss. Most people get their news from some sort of biased media, which blames reasons other than our system for the problems of the common man.

Most people here don't really care about anything other than their friends and family, so if they are well off they don't see the broken system, just alot of angry people who didn't work as hard as they did. Everyone who is well off in this country wants to believe that they got there because they worked harder than those who make less than they are, and that people who get fucked over for reasons you listed are either just unlucky or freeloaders.

[–]MrOmnos[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (27子コメント)

I don't know why people are down voting me. May be what I shared wasn't accepted by their moral firewall. But this the truth and this is what we did and I am not proud of it. Burning things is not a solution but turns out in this world full of greed, being super nice isn't going to take you anywhere and at the time, it was a solution for us.

[–]herpesyphigonolaids [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know why people are down voting me

It's not necessarily what you said, but how you said it. In that last post and even in this one I'm replying to, you have a slightly condescending tone that is also pretty aggressive toward the people you are addressing. It shouldn't be too big of a surprise that some took it personally. As for my opinion as to why it happens, I agree with /u/LordFyodor. I can actually say, even though I know better, that I can't really be bothered to vote or get involved in politics. I just don't care that much about politics, I already have enough shit to worry about on a day to day basis, without having to worry about new laws that are being passed. And sadly I feel that i am in the majority.

[–]ibreakbathtubs [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Because you have not a god damn clue how condescending and biased your comment is. Firstly John Oliver's show tends to focus on issues that (1) Are relevant to or happening in the US and (2) are unheard of by most people anywhere.

So yeah you are going to get the impression that the US is super, super fucked if you watch a lot of John Oliver. Because the whole point of the show is to dig up skeletons in our closet.

Second, part of the reason no one is rioting or protesting is because the current state of affairs is generally pretty ok. People are complacent as long as there are jobs, food is cheap, fuel is cheap and housing is affordable. I live in Atlanta so I might be biased in that regard.

[–]mrcassette [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

that and americans really don't take well to people criticising the land of the Free...

[–]Gatorboy4life [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem is most people, like op here, only get their news from comedy shows.

[–]DoxxingShillDownvote [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We take fine to it... we just don't like it when the whole country is painted with one brush. Does a particular issue suck? SURE... we will chime in and agree. Does America suck as a whole because of that particular issue? No....

[–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...and the home of the, shit my job is at stake? Better stay quiet.

[–]IeIgHtNiNe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Would you like it if people criticized your country?

[–]thewormauger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

2edgy4me

[–]DrJamesinator [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

What I think he is getting at is that. In other countries corruption and greed is not taken lightly. Riots are fairly common in other countries when this happens as people want the government to be accountable for that shit. However in the US it is felt like the justice system will take care of it but obviously it doesn't, you are constantly screwed by so many people who go unpunished (bankers, politicians and others) and yet everyone sits back and since it doesn't affect them directly they ignore it. There is no sense of government accountability in the US. Not saying that Canada isn't just as bad but we have a lot of laws that protect us from frivolous lawsuits and other types of screwing.

[–]DoxxingShillDownvote [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Riots are fairly common in other countries

To be fair... if a government is working well there really SHOULDNT be riots every day.

[–]TheMacMan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rioting is pretty rare. There is a lot of corruption in many other governments and yet very very few ever see rioting or uprise.

Rioting rarely solves problems which may be the more likely reason you don't see it happening more in the US and in most nations. When was the last time a riot solved an issue?

[–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

countries corruption and greed is not taken lightly

I don't know about that. My impression is places where it is bad either join in (everyone else is doing it) or they try to lay low and work around the system (black markets, tax dodging, etc).

[–]wazoheat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What I think he is getting at is that. In other countries corruption and greed is not taken lightly.

Fucking lol. The US is far, far below average as far as corruption goes (tied for 16th best out of 177 countries). Aside from northwestern Europe, the vast majority of countries do far worse than the US on corruption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#Methods https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Transparency_international_2015.png

[–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

condescending and biased your comment is

You could say that about a large percentage of reddit comments

[–]Bman0921 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't find it condescending at all and he's absolutely right. America is the richest country in the world but can't even give its citizens the right to healthcare, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[–]IeIgHtNiNe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know why people are down voting me.

Really? You don't know why? Here's how your comment reads:

"Hey Americans, I watch John Oliver on YouTube so obviously I know what I'm talking about: I feel soooooooooo bad for you guys because your country is sooooooo messed up, you know, because John Oliver told me it was. Like what is wrong with you guys? In my country we would never put up with what John Oliver tells me you guys put up with. Obviously everything is shit over in America, I could never see myself living over there, because my country is so much better. OMG I feel sooooo sorry for you guys."

You're a condescending prick; that's why you're being downvoted.

[–]go_go_gonzo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why are you guys so tolerant about guys in suit fucking you over and over again?

...you're being downvoted because you sound like a condescending fuck. It's how you're making your case. Also, you're basing your whole opinion from a comedy show...

[–]Generalspooda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"in this world full of greed,being nice isn't going to take you anywhere."

sounds like sound advice.

[–]DoxxingShillDownvote [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you are being downvoted because you can't read reddit & watch john oliver and then make the assumption that everything in the US is bad. reddit & oliver both do a good job of bringing up what is wrong in the US, but over all life isn't some shit storm that we all somehow manage to bear through every day. We SHOULD act on the injustices, but remember, America is a huge country and some of the things you hear about happen to such a small number of people over all that it has little impact on most of us.

[–]LordFyodor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

/u/herpesyphigonolaids is spot on as to why people are downvoting you. I want to add that plenty of people here do protest, but our mainstream media never shows it. It's our governments most powerful tool, because the common man is convinced that all of the news stations exist to educate them objectively, when that is not the case.

But without a doubt, the youth in our country are turning to online sources of information, which is one of the reason that the old type of politics is dying. I see the United States slowly changing for the better politically in the next years because, well, we really can't get much worse at this point.

You have to understand we have a militarized police force, a strong media machine that has even succeeded in making even UNIONS out to be enemies, a high standard of living, and the most amount of money spent on the military in the whole world. It's difficult to visual a violent revolution, so we can only ever change thing slowly in our country.

[–]Bman0921 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think there's done psychology there as well; Americans have essentially been taught that if you aren't successful, or if you don't have everything you need, you only have yourself to blame when in reality the government could be doing A LOT more for its people. But try to change this and you're dismissed as a socialist.

[–]IPlayEveryGame [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't want to insult you or anyone else who's having a rough time with their life and may be there due to reasons outside of their control, but I have to say:

I have absolutely zero doubt that the vast majority of people who are not as well off and complain about it overestimate the contribution of 'the system' to their lack of success as opposed to putting the majority of the weight in their own failures or inactions, and they vastly underestimate the work and effort people who are better off invested to get where they are (and I don't just mean well off in terms of money).

And I think the people who are "worse off" are more often in the wrong, because it's way more likely that you overestimate your own abilities when faced with a lack of success, than overestimating them when you actually do have success because of them. Or rather, people who are successful and say they are because of their own doing are more likely to be right than people saying they are unsuccessful because of reasons outside their control.

[–]ebilgenius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You are ignoring the system that allows so many people to be well off. The American Government is certainly not perfect, but it's done pretty goddamn alright for a pretty goddamn long time.

Despite what you think most people who are "well-off" (aka anyone in the middle class and above) actually did have to work hard to get where they're at (not all of them obviously but probably 95-99% of them). That's because America is setup to grant opportunities to anyone who wants to become successful and works hard at it.

Your views are extremely pessimistic, they assume that most of America looks down on the poor or disadvantaged like they're filthy, lazy, stupid freeloaders, when that's almost entirely untrue. Most "privileged" Americans want people to become as successful as they are, but they want them to do it fairly.

[–]LewdRudeJude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Agreed, action needs to happen. However, don't assume that the suits who control the US are even different people than the ones you have to negotiate with in your country.

The international businessmen who own this planet, are just that - international.

The top 65 richest people on the planet own as much as the bottom 3.5 billion combined.

[–]Hojae [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I watch a lot of John Oliver episodes on YouTube and I feel sorry for you guys.

You can stop right there.

If such things happened in my country people would have already burned the entire country.

Halt.

We pulled all the accounting staff out of the main office building and set fire to the accounting department.

Fuck me.

[–]incharge21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why France is so fucked up. For some reason that's what this reminded me of. France has so many issues, so if he really is from France, he's got some explaining to do. They just don't do anything and they have no power as a country because of it.

[–]ustouklegal [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Hey, just a heads up, John Oliver isn't a real news show. If you get all of your info from that, no one will take you seriously.

[–]Im_A_Manly_Man 40ポイント41ポイント  (11子コメント)

I feel sorry for you guys

Don't. Most people on the planet would give an arm and leg for the chance to live in the US, myself included.

[–]TheFrenchCommander [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Then what would most people give to live in Canada?

[–]thebigslide [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hard to say. Lots of people in Canada want to know where our wall is...

[–]matrix325 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

If they only view mainstream media then surely

[–]incharge21 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What does that mean. America is undoubtedly a great place to be living right now.

[–]Ottoblock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People break the law and live their lives in secrecy to get here. Don't act like the USA isn't a great place to be.

Which place would be better?

[–]madk 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because it's not nearly as bad as the media will have you believe.

[–]superalienhyphy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

America isn't fucked up. There are certain cases of fucked up things happening, and since America is so big, it seems common, but it isn't. Most Americans feel America is the best place to live in the world, including myself.

[–]tastycrumpet [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I live in the US now and love it. But coming from living in several other continents, yes, the majority of things that affect your day to day life here are fucked. I stay because I love it. But don't for a second thing its not fucked lol.

[–]smellmycheese1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's because most Americans haven't been anywhere else and have no frame of reference.

[–]MrOmnos[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am not saying America is fucked. There are some systems in America that's fucked up in twisted fucking way. You think this patent trolls are not as big of a problem? I did some research and let me show you what I found. The company that sued this guy in video for using Google play store is owned by a company called Marathon Patent Group. There are lots of shell companies of this Marathon Patent Group whose entire business model is to sue people who can't fight back and make them pay up. And guess what, Marathon Patent Group is actually a publicly traded company on NASDAQ as (MARA). Now that's a pretty big business. So, they sue American people and make them pay up and then go and sell that back to American people as shares. That is pretty fucked up imo.

[–]rowing_owen 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watch a lot of John Oliver episodes on YouTube and I feel sorry for you guys.

hahahaha ok

[–]incharge21 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A few things. First, I'm not sure what country you're from, but I doubt that your government and country is as good as you think. This could be because you don't have a John Oliver show for your country? What are the free speech/media laws where you live? Additionally, as someone else said, there's a ton of great things about our government that John Oliver doesn't talk about, and John Oliver isn't an objective news source either. It's very biased and is a comedy show. The Donald Trump episode, while funny, was mostly random attacks at his character and didn't actually address his campaign etc... it just made fun of him. If you were to get all your information about Trump from that episode, you'd be missing the real facts (Not a Trump fan, merely saying the episode wasn't super newsworthy since half the episode merely attacked his name, more of a smear campaign). Additionally, college tuition is never raised by 25% at one time here, so that point is a bit mute. Even a 12% increase doesn't really happen here from what I know. Are you French perhaps? The French system is awful IMO and has a ton of problems since the government has so much power. I would say your view of America is very warped through the media.

[–]MrOmnos[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If my government was good, we wouldn't riot like we did.

[–]Coziestpigeon2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We pulled all the accounting staff out of the main office building and set fire to the accounting department. Next day we negotiated to 12% increase in fees and books would be provided by the library for an entire semester which seemed fair . all got arrested, sentenced to decades in prison, and were never seen from again. The remaining students gladly paid their 25% increase.

That's a big part of the reason why. The USA has a larger and better-equipped police force, and they love to swing it around.

[–]I_am_a_asshole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean you get all your information from John Oliver, a borderline satirical entertainment show with a lot of bias. Sorry we arent burning buildings down over disagreements, maybe we are simple more civilized than that (well some of us at least). Also why would you feel sorry for "us"? Middle class white America is just as good if not better than the majority of European countries. Its the inner cities and rural areas that give us a bad name, you know the places people like John Oliver like to focus on for entertainment purposes.

[–]Gh0stw0lf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow, for supposedly being college educated you really do not have a rational head on your shoulders. Where exactly are you from? How old are you?

I feel like you're actually 15, angry because you've seen YouTube videos, and most of all full of shit.

[–]defvedwgwgw [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

so u protest with violence.

so fucking great

[–]MrOmnos[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least we do it for our rights. Last time I heard about a riot in US, it was because a team won something. And aren't you Americans the same people who rioted because there weren't enough PlayStation in the store?? Nice!!

[–]alaninsitges [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We're complacent. We have 24/7 everything, we have 500 channels on huge cheap TVs, we have a consumer-focused society that can shop for and buy anything it wants pretty much. At the same time those 500 channels keep us occupied with who's using which bathroom, which gays are getting married, and hundreds of other invented scandals so that our attention doesn't focus on this kind of stuff. I mean, I could go burn a bus, but damn this big leather recliner is comfortable and oh look it's time for Man vs. Food.

[–]incharge21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So I'd so we have it pretty good right now then.

[–]LeftLegCemetary [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I would love to move to a different country... Can't afford it.

[–]shagsterz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel sorry for you watching John Oliver.

[–]Batmantis30 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you want freedom you put up with BS. Burning down offices because you have to pay more for school isn't how you get ANYTHING done.

No wonder the US has no problem controlling other countries.

[–]Wonkybonky [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Something no one seems to say is that America is literally owned by foreign banks. It didn't used to be this way. In fact it wasn't until our central bank popped up that this happened. Our currency is constantly being inflated and our taxes are going to foreign banks. So when you see and hear all of these shady skullfuckery things, this is people's ways of surviving. In order to get money businesses will force people to take out loans or credit because our currency is so inflated that it holds no physical value. We are on a continuous line of credit so people resort to some fucked up things to circumvent our ailing monetary value.

[–]_AlreadyTaken_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it benefits society as a whole then you are a socialist (a fate worse than death in the US for some reason). The US is obsessed with the myth of the individual who is completely independant and "self-made".

One good thing though is in the US people do get involved and believe things can get better with effort.

[–]CowboyFlipflop [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That would be impolite, and being impolite to your government is severely looked down on around here. Even if that government is breaking the law itself.

[–]MuuaadDib [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Apathy, lots and lots of apathy and slackerism. The thing that keeps our representatives up at night, if the cable or TV went out, that shit would be terrifying. This has been going on a long time, and there have even had powerful people talking about if they knew.

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

Henry Ford

[–]chippy94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What lovely country are you from then? Greece?

[–]BertMacklinFBhigh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Tell me about it, we also have great prices on college textbooks if you're in the market

[–]purpleelpehant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's because for the general population, life is good here. We have enough to eat, and we have enough time to enjoy ourselves. The problems are shitty, but they are generally not bad enough for us to bother ourselves with.

Also, it's not as bad as we make it out to be. If you have enough money (practically, not regulation related), you can probably afford a mortgage. If you're not going around stealing things (or black) you're probably not going to get in trouble with the justice system. Our education is pretty mehh, but it's good enough:).

Guys in suits aren't fucking us over to the point where we can't do what we love, which is sit around and watch TV and drink beer and shoot guns, so we aren't pissed off enough to do anything.

I think in general, life in the US is just comfortable enough to keep us complacent.

Also, since the educational system is so bad, I don't even understand how to enact change. I mean, I went to a pretty high ranking college and I don't know understand we can't vote to get rid of things, like TSA, that 95% of Americans would happily get rid of. shrug but I can work where I want, I make enough to do the things I enjoy, so dealing with the TSA before leaving the country isn't enough for me to be upset about anything.

[–]warpus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

in my country people would have already burned the entire country.

The U.S. has a relatively high standard of living, with low sales tax, cheap produce, cheap food, etc. at least compared to a place like say Canada, where most things are a lot more expensive.

They don't riot because they have it "good enough".

[–]Teach-o-tron [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In america too many people think that they have a shot at getting themselves to a position of power and fucking over others for their own gain. This creates a vicious cycle of psychopathic behaviour. Greed is the fuel that runs america and capitalism is their engine.

Obviously this is a generalization and I say this as a US citizen but I find it explains a lot about how the USA operates.

[–]Benassi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because Americans are the absolute best at knowing exactly what they need to do about the problems they face; and then doing absolutely nothing about it.

[–]SHIT_FISTING_FAGGOT [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Oh shut the fuck up you little troll, your country sucks donkey balls compared to the United States of America. Your shithole country couldn't exist without the USA's innovation or military protection, and youre currently existing on services that you wont be able to pay for in a decade, it will be nice to see youstarve to death on the news.

[–]mrcassette [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm always curious why americans really do believe they're protecting the world...

Who from currently?

[–]SHIT_FISTING_FAGGOT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A quick google will inform you how large and widespread our military bases, navy, training, advisors, and survellience systems are all over the world. Lesser countries request the United States Military prescence to keep shipping lanes, airspace, and borders safe, in exchanGe for trade agreements and arms deals from US producers. NATO would be worthless without the USA's prescence, and without NATO, Russian conscripts would be raping way more Socialist Scandanavians than even the Muslims the socialists are currently welcoming into their countries.

There was just an AP report released this week about how European leaders are grateful that Islamic Germany is expanding it's military forces. Guess where the United States most important base in Europe is? Germany. Most countries in the world are too weak, poor and stupid to be responsible for their own protection.

[–]pete_topkevinbottom -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would immirgrate to australia if i knew where to begin. I started thinking about it a couple years ago when my ass started to hurt from being fucked by Uncle Sam all the time. But then i start thinking about the internet speed and am like " na, fuck that. I like my high speed internet."

[–]vidyagames 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can get 100mbit internet in many places in australia

[–]ripped015 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Why are you guys so tolerant about guys in suit fucking you over and over again?

because people in power realize once a certain percentage of citizens live life at a certain level of comfort, we can focus on our capitalist, unique, self-centered fantasies and ignore the suffering of other communities. its a perfect storm of tribalism, individualism, and democratic ideologies.

we love these kinds of posts and discuss these problems critically at /r/LateStageCapitalism, come and visit!

[–]TheOneTrueTrench [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Simplest explanation? Two factors:

  1. Keep the populace content enough, they won't want to get upset. Yeah, we could riot over things, but "it's not that bad." Basically, cowardice and lack of conviction.
  2. Largest military and militarized police force. When the police are in military assault gear, you don't really want to riot. Basically, cowardice.

[–]incharge21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What things have been worth rioting over in recent years? The riots we have had have been ridiculous and only hurt local businesses because of looting etc... Rioting rarely works, especially in the US.