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[–]0Hellspawn0[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

Hey guys,

a few too many threads popped up on /hot about this topic in the last couple of hours and we'd like to condense the discussion a bit to the already existing threads to free up some space on the front page.

Here are the 3 removed threads on this topic:

The remaining posts are this one and I guess this one.

[–]Bashtime 584ポイント585ポイント  (48子コメント)

When I type lol in Dota my hero starts laughing

[–]hicksy994 271ポイント272ポイント  (44子コメント)

And if you type Dota in lol it is censored...

[–]Old Man DotaDotaDogma 130ポイント131ポイント  (34子コメント)

I found a couple of old articles when I Google'd this, is it actually still true? Lmao

Why do you even need to censor anything, online interactions are unrated. I'm glad Valve doesn't get this butthurt unless James is involved.

Edit: This was the comment before the league mods deleted everything: http://i.imgur.com/uJsvipf.png

[–]wFXx 75ポイント76ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yeap, it its true. Is listed as a "badword" under their filter, like "cunt, nigga, bitch" and other curse-words.

[–]4HeadXet 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

People like to make this blanket statement that 'dota' is a banned word in LoL, but the truth is that it was only on the filter list in the Garena client. I'm not sure if it still is. Could be, but someone would have to check.

So there's an element of truth to the story, but in most people's clients it's not censored.

[–]FliccC 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha. most relevant in this context.

[–]Skeletron_King 212ポイント213ポイント  (17子コメント)

The CEO and company remind me of Gavin Belson and Hooli.

So immature and childish.

[–]Old Man DotaDotaDogma 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

Once upon a time he could have had people like us killed.

[–]PPD will unlock the meta and stop bullets with his mindftlio 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless?

?

You people are useless.

[–]KohakuKen 379ポイント380ポイント  (63子コメント)

I think it's funny how Icefrog's identity has remained a mystery for so long that nobody believes any reveal even if it were actually true.

I bet even if Gabe and Eric Johnson themselves came out with Icefrog revealing who he is, people would still call it some cover up or shit. Icefrog has been nothing short of masterful in maintaining his anonymity and privacy.

[–]The GRRRRRrrrRRRRrrRrRrRrRAND MAGUS!Killburndeluxe 331ポイント332ポイント  (47子コメント)

And then Bruno reveals that hes Icefrog and were all like "yeah, that makes sense"

[–]I'm sorry! I changed to Complexity for ti5!Pherma95 157ポイント158ポイント  (45子コメント)

It will turn into a spartacus scenario

-I am Icefrog

-No! I am Icefrog

-I'm Icefrog!

-I'm Icefrog too!

[–]I am lightning, the rain transformed.Harsel 134ポイント135ポイント  (33子コメント)

What if it was actually the plan? IceFrog never uses his own ideas, he collects the best ideas from community and changes the game according to them, so we are all partly IceFrog.

[–]Tree Man Battle PlanThermiten 195ポイント196ポイント  (24子コメント)

Icefrog died years ago, and in his absence, we became him, and he became us.

[–]Misanthrope you are a gentleman and a scholar! TY for taunt!TwistedBOLT 36ポイント37ポイント  (16子コメント)

No the main character of the story is in a coma and the whole show is his dream!

[–]Tree Man Battle PlanThermiten 32ポイント33ポイント  (11子コメント)

Ugh, is another of those "It was a dream all along" endings...

[–]Gustav fangaywalaman412 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

imagine one day you wake up in a world where DotA doesnt even exist, and while wiping your sweat you look up for your ID card inside the pocket which shows your name as "Abdul Ismail"....

[–]PinkyFeldman 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

So the ending to Super Mario 2, I mean the final boss is a frog after all..

[–]Suneimii 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

We are all IceFrog BibleThump That's so deep BibleThump

[–]How can I get more of them Skeleton King flair?thjake 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah, Ice Frog!

[–]Bleep bloop, I am a robot.dota_responses_bot 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

: Ah, Ice Frog! (sound warning: Lich)


I am a bot. Question/problem? Ask my master: /u/Jonarz

Description/changelog: GitHub | IDEAS | Responses source | Thanks iggys_reddit_account for the server!

[–]nusha_kr 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

- my wife is Icefrog too!!

followed by obligatory "always look on the bright side of life"-theme

[–]Maelk 682ポイント683ポイント  (28子コメント)

So Bruno's name is not actually Bruno Carlucci?

I knew it sounded too exotic to be true.

[–]Sunsfan our way into first placeD2WilliamU 134ポイント135ポイント  (5子コメント)

Aww shit Milk is here the original OG and Handsome man to cover for his homie OSfrog

[–]4815162342pasakosak 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

You all know who icefrog is don't you? Is this some kind of faceless men stuff?

[–]skybala 207ポイント208ポイント  (6子コメント)

A Frog has no name

EDIT: thanks for the gold! may a lannister pay you back.

[–]YouDaMANRAJ 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get off reddit and get your head in the game milk

...you have a macho man contest to train for #justiceformilk

[–]Fincap 518ポイント519ポイント  (44子コメント)

Riot employees being inappropriate, immature and unprofessional idiots. Nothing new here.

[–]MrPringles23 73ポイント74ポイント  (17子コメント)

Trying to out do Maliken for worst employee that ran/runs a moba.

[–]AUI FanFriendewokskick 73ポイント74ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's breaking reddit's rules against doxxing. I've messaged the amins about it. Anyone else interested in reporting this doxxing can go here and select "Personal and confidential information" as the subject. This is what my message said:

"I wanted to report a high profile case of doxxing. A CEO of one game company, /u/tryndamere, just doxxed the lead designer of a competing game as retribution for a perceived slight from 6 years ago.

Here is the original thread. In it you will see that /u/tryndamere gives the name of "IF" or IceFrog an anonymous developer of the game dota 2. He has spent years carefully protecting his identity only to have a competitor use your platform to dox him

https://np.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4mdtua/merrills_musings_tryndameres_response/d3xc8kg

The behavior is inappropriate and a clear violation of your site's rules. Given the high profile of both people, I believe an admin action is essential. Although the mods did delete it, screen shots of the comment are all over the internet and still on reddit. Given the petty nature of the post, the high profile of the poster, and the business competition between those involved, this is a particularly heinous violation of your rules. If you don't want businessmen using reddit to attack and doxx each other, I believe you should take punitive actions against /u/tryndamere and be clear that your platform cannot be used to harass competitors.

Thanks for your consideration."

[–]judge2020 108ポイント109ポイント  (1子コメント)

Riot CEOs being inappropriate, immature and unprofessional idiots. Nothing new here.

FTFY

[–]JohnStamoist 53ポイント54ポイント  (8子コメント)

"This thread has been locked because it is brigaded by /r/DotA2"

"Posting someone personal information isn't allowed. Note: To our friend from /r/DotA2 brigading is a site wide offense. Keep your outrage in your subreddit."

-ReganDryke

If the mods did their job then none of this would have gone down, but they let him get away with dropping Icefrog's name for hours.

[–]Winter WaifuDaralii 609ポイント610ポイント  (90子コメント)

There sure are a lot of cunts working at Riot, huh?

[–]llama llama llama llama llama llama llamazyberspace 237ポイント238ポイント  (47子コメント)

I don't know if it was a joke but someone said he is apparently the CEO of Riot.

[–]Winter WaifuDaralii 283ポイント284ポイント  (12子コメント)

He is. Marc Merrill, AKA Tryndamere. CEO and co-founder of Riot.

[–]gu3st12 302ポイント303ポイント  (10子コメント)

I guess the brain dead decisions make sense.

It's a direct order from the top.

[–]I'm sorry! I changed to Complexity for ti5!Pherma95 119ポイント120ポイント  (8子コメント)

That dude is a cunt of the highest order. Nothing more to say.

He sure have a lot of baby seal to pet if he wants me to think positively about him

[–]gu3st12 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't let him near any baby seals.

Dude will probably club them for the lulz.

[–]I'm sorry! I changed to Complexity for ti5!Pherma95 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are toxic, so we felt is was necessary to "ban"-hammer them

[–]Prozenconns 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seal was not being as cute as the meta requires, as such their life has been suspended

[–]YouDaMANRAJ 99ポイント100ポイント  (31子コメント)

What kind of ceo argues with people like a child on reddit lmao

[–]denik_ 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you seen the posts by Palmer Luckey? He's even worse.

[–]Vagina DentataU_Need_A_Brojob 62ポイント63ポイント  (28子コメント)

Uh, Gaben kind of did?

[–]TidebringerB-design 79ポイント80ポイント  (4子コメント)

GabeN didn't argue. He said James is an ass so James is an ass. Many people might find that offensive

[–]mahlimg 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sorta during the Ama regarding paid mods. But his post were imho quite well argued and sadly downvoted to hell.

[–]GG NO RENubtrain 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks like Riot is just a giant collective counts of cunt

[–]ANELE الله أكبر ANELENineties 300ポイント301ポイント  (39子コメント)

[–]EU? 4Head China? EleGiggle NA? KreygasmTheSwaguar 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Based gayfarang doing gods work

[–]EE, W33haa, PLD, Misery, Puppeybarbed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks!

[–]Sunsfan our way into first placeD2WilliamU 103ポイント104ポイント  (19子コメント)

I feel like we should appreciate the league fans who are mass downvoting the post.

Unless it was dota people swarming there from thispost

[–]AOF_Semiramis 62ポイント63ポイント  (13子コメント)

Alien here coming from LoL subreddit.

Oh don't worry...LoL fans are out for Riot's BLOOD right now.Thats just adding fuel to the fire.

[–]PotatorunnerAnna_the_potato 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have my condolences, League player. After all, Riot is basically in full "shit on our playerbase" mode right now!

[–]myinsanity21 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too much downvote from r/Dota2 so we decided to take the post down -Mod

ROFL

[–]BrutalJones 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

From my experience with League fans they're all pretty upset with Riot and how LoL development has gone lately.

[–]WannaBuildABIackMan 87ポイント88ポイント  (17子コメント)

Can someone explain to me what is going on in that thread? I saw another one of Tryndamere's comments about the pendragon/icefrog situation but cant find anything else related

[–]missing meediltecklink 127ポイント128ポイント  (12子コメント)

The thread was originally about his thoughts on dynamic/solo que , better tutorial, and sandbox mode. His responses is that league is for "core player" and therefore do not need these things. Deeper in the thread people mention riots past and how Pendragon shut down the Dota all star forums. Tryndamere defends Pendragon saying that the public does not know the whole story.

[–]sooth_ 57ポイント58ポイント  (7子コメント)

He's done this exact thing before, by the way. Said that there is a lot more to the story than people know, and that Pendragon is the "dark knight". So of course people asked him to tell the whole story, and he didn't respond. Looking forward to seeing if he tells it this time.

[–]ususabususfructus 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]ivosaurus 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

Such BS. He literally turned off the forum and replaced it with a banner ad for lol.

When for whatever reason he gave back a backup of the forum database years later, the only thing scrubbed was the hero suggestions subsection.

There is no amount of waxing lyrical about being a dark knight that can avoid the conclusions those facts invite.

[–]Vimsey 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

When for whatever reason he gave back a backup of the forum database years later, the only thing scrubbed was the hero suggestions subsection.

Yea and he posted in this subreddit expecting to be thanked for restoring it years later without the one bit we wanted. He then threw all his toys out of his pram called us cunts and thankfully pissed off never to be seen again here.

[–]bakedCake 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

While also namedropping Icefrog in a cuntish way.

[–]#1 NSDemigoDDotA 426ポイント427ポイント  (164子コメント)

Can I just say I absolutely love the feeling of going into a league thread and finding it full of rage against league

edit: mfw

[–]llama llama llama llama llama llama llamazyberspace 123ポイント124ポイント  (52子コメント)

They are kinda pissed lol. Their pros now train in an inhouse league because Riot fucked up the ranked matchmaking just a bit to much.

[–]derevenus 24ポイント25ポイント  (50子コメント)

What happened?

[–]No gods or kings, only cykaOfcyouare 159ポイント160ポイント  (38子コメント)

Few months back they reworked existing system of matchmaking, replacing solo queue with dynamic. They promised that SoloQ will be removed only for some time and very soon they will bring it back.

With every post on this matter promised time until soloq return was getting longer and longer until a few days ago Riot announced that solo queue will not some back.

You might ask, Dota doesn't have true solo MM too, what's the problem? Basically the problem is, first of all, in LoL you have one elo number for both solo and group matches, so some bad players are being boosted by his friends and the new system makes it easily possible. So if this boosted friend will go play solo later, he will play on his boosted rank and suck, while in Dota you have two different numbers — Party MMR and Solo MMR. Because of this value of the rating is falling down, because anyone can get into gold, for example, if he has a good friend, and because of how it works, competitive aspect of the ladder is meaningless.

Second of all, LoL doesn't have voice communication, and solo players in this queue will often get in the team with stacks, which sucks a lot. You might know this from Dota, but it is ever worse for LoL.

Third, new queue really sucked dick for pros and top of the ladder players, they needed to wait A LOT to find a game, mostly because of the system of choosing yourself roles before the game. So even LoL with its playerbase got problems with this system.

A few days ago, not only did Riot cancel the promised return of SoloQ, but also said that now system can put you onto the role which you didn't chose and basically restricted 5 player MM for top of the ladder.

TL;DR — Riot lied to players and fucked up with matchmaking.

Sorry for my English.

[–]derevenus 38ポイント39ポイント  (23子コメント)

Thanks for the comprehensive explanation.

I've been seeing quite a lot of 'moving to Dota 2 from LoL' posts on this subreddits lately.

How big is this phenomenon (is it actual, or just people from the vocal minority?), and what significance do you think this will have on Dota 2's growth?

Dota 2's growth seems to have slowed down and is stuck at 1.2m. It'd be great if more people (eg. LoL) came over and boosted the # of active players.

[–]No gods or kings, only cykaOfcyouare 47ポイント48ポイント  (22子コメント)

How big is this phenomenon (is it actual, or just people from the vocal minority?), and what significance do you think this will have on Dota 2's growth?

I think that mostly people who are pissed, it's either pros, top of the ladder players, or really competitive ones. And I don't think that a lot of them will leave the game, maybe if one already had some beef with Riot and it was just the last straw for him.

Casual players are kinda ok with the new system, because they can play with their friends and raise their rating, sipping beer. Except ones who are sick of Riot bullshitting, of course, and I'm not sure how much there are players like this.

So, sadly, I don't think that League to Dota exodus will be really big, unless Riot will fuck up again.

[–]derevenus 5ポイント6ポイント  (16子コメント)

Thanks for the answer.

What was the reason why Riot Games introduced the new system in the first place? Does it decrease queue time?

[–]No gods or kings, only cykaOfcyouare 36ポイント37ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm not sure, so everything next is more like my opinion, not their reasoning.

In theory system of choosing yourself a role before queue is good. Less "toxicity", less fighting for lanes, especially important for LoL, which is a bit less flexible on this matter. Another reason why they made this system, it's because it gives them more players. In this system it sucks for player to play alone, so by their expectations he will take his friends and pull them into the game, because he need someone to play with.

Also you can see signs of this in their another new thing, Hextech Crafting. Basically it's the way of getting stuff like skins by playng. So, you have these boxes, which you can get from the store or by achieving masteries. And keys for them are dropping in the matchmaking, but ones who are playing in the group have drops more often.

But in reality I think that Riot a bit detached from their playerbase, at least from non-casual one. They are like Blizzard in this moment, thinking that they know better what players need. They are trying to justify their decisions by empty words and stats(sometimes not demonstrating it, so it creates impression that they are pulling it out of their ass), while leaving the game without really important stuff. Game doesn't have replays, you need to go to 3rd party services for this, it doesn't have voice com, because "it increases toxicity", current client is fucking terrible, and new one is in development for years, remake in case of disconnect of one player was added in the game this spring(!), it doesn't have damn pause function. And all this toxicity crusade is quite ridiculous too.

Moment with sandbox was a good demonstration how detached they are and how they love to bullshit. And yes, shitting on solo players might be profitable in terms of new players, but it also makes them more frustrated.

So this system might be good in some aspects with a lot of polishing, but bullshitting by Riot made things worse. If they didn't though that they know better, if they didn't lie, if they didn't force players on one thing, but gave a choice, it would be fine, more or less. But I'm sure that in this case most of the players would never play dynamic, and that would show that Riot fucked up, and they really doesn't like to admit that they fucked up.

Like Gaben once said:

'Don't ever, ever try to lie to the internet - because they will catch you. They will de-construct your spin. They will remember everything you ever say for eternity.'

[–]no flair texthoppen1 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Even though nobody likes this, muh stats show that it's an objectively good change and you're gonna fucking like it"

[–]Thatswedishguy1994 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Soloq removed and will not return, replaced with ranked "dynamic queue" where you queue as 1-5 players but there is only one ranked rating so you don't know if a player is "6k mmr" from playing solo or being carried every game. This sucks for soloplayers hard.

In addition to this pros have insane queue timers and sometimes faces 3-4K mmr player while the pros themselfes are 7-8K mmr because broken matchmaking.

So the LoL pros got tired of this and started playing "inhouse" soloq, where they play against other proplayers on the tournament realms. Biggest problem with this for the casual player/viewer of LOL is that the pros can't stream Tournament realm games.

Really short summary and i haven't played the game in a few months so i might be a little off with my information.

[–]llama llama llama llama llama llama llamazyberspace 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

*are not allowed to stream inhouse realms. Because Riot

[–]wankthisway 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

No solo Q, something called Dynamic Queue which is basically selecting a role to queue up as, and retarded concepts like autofill.

[–]Dinj 88ポイント89ポイント  (17子コメント)

When Reborn was announced it was my guilty pleasure to go to League sub and to watch their reaction, pure schadenfreude.

[–]elwiscomeback 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

That was the day when salt was real

[–]BlueShibbon 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

considering LoL has been out for 6 years and they still havent managed to put in replays or sandbox, I say it's deserved salt.

[–]PotatorunnerAnna_the_potato 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

There was a gilded comment on that subreddit... Let me copy it once I find it... here it is:

Comment 1: (explaining how HoN's skins made it the "laughing stock of MOBAs")

Comment 2: (Riot employee saying "I just burst out laughing at this description. 10/10.")

Comment 3: "Dude no... theyre laughing at the game you work on because that game you're laughing at had replays and voice chat on release, shit League doesn't have"

[–]rafitoxD 139ポイント140ポイント  (83子コメント)

Because Riot is slowing killing their game. I, for example, jumped from dota 1 to lol before dota 2 was a thing, played it for years and got so pissed with their decisions that I came back to dota this year. Many friends of mine also dropped the game for good. People are hating because they are fucking screwing the game.

[–]trm90 71ポイント72ポイント  (63子コメント)

I hopped between LoL and Dota for several years, and each time I played LoL it was harder and harder to stick with it.

It's really hard to play Dota - a game with tons of basic features supported, better cosmetics, gameplay that isn't slapped with shitty band-aids every month, and free heroes that you can practice - and then switch to LoL.

Added to that, every time I check up on the meta of LoL, it is almost always an issue of carry heroes building tank items and dominating the game. It ends up becoming an endless cycle that Riot can never seem to break, and it's boring as fuck because it takes years to kill said tanky heroes. As in, I could probably kill a 5-hearts + Refresher Abaddon faster.

[–]Go Gohan!UrEx 52ポイント53ポイント  (31子コメント)

One of the problems - apart from LoL's missing turnrates - is that their items get more gold efficient the more expensive they are. Unlike Dota 2 where the most cost efficient items are early game items and the more gold you invest the more inefficient they get.

Skadi (5675g) gives +25 to all stats and ~225 to health+mana. To get the equal health with GG Branches, you'd need 56 of them which would cost 2800 gold. But then you'd also have 19 more agility (more armor) and other benefits.

[–]slurplepurplenurple 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yeah, it makes sense that you'd do it this (Dota) way. Remember this ex-Riot employee's tweet about how they've learned and applied sooo much to LoL? Yeah, sorry, but making items more gold efficient with expense is the most ass-backwards shit ever.

[–]bakedCake 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time Riot does this shit, it backfires and ends up as another meme. I'm still laughing at the "anti-fun" idea they tried to start.

Riot employees are so fucking full of themselves, it's just funny to see them interact with outside people.

[–]balorina 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

You should probably say "stat efficient", because a skadi is more SLOT efficient. You don't get 56 item slots you get 6.

[–]judge2020 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we got unlimited slots everyone would have GG branches

[–]#1 NSDemigoDDotA 24ポイント25ポイント  (24子コメント)

everythings got weaknesses in this wonderful game of dota, i recently found a sweet counter to carry abaddon (granted, I know, pretty damn niche LOL but it worked in a game for me) that you happen to mention

Silver edge + silence (I was on NS)- silver edge breaks the passive part of abba's ult, silence stops him from manually casting it. Yes it works. The abba was so confused as to why I popped him instantly every battle (disabling ult = carry abbadons are ironically really squishy. they rarely build tanky, he just had phase / sny / mini crit)

[–]voscot 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

holy hell, thats messed up... carry basically a god..

[–]sjalfurstaralfur 219ポイント220ポイント  (46子コメント)

I love how Icefrog gets unanimous respect from the DotA community whereas Pendragon and Tryndamere are unanimously hated by the LoL community

[–]doctorcrass 106ポイント107ポイント  (6子コメント)

because icefrog isn't a shithead who goes on social media and says cunty shit. even the weird disagreeable stuff about Dota is usually attributed to Valve (like non tradeable items and server instability). Icefrog is like a faceless demigod who balances the game and that is it.

[–]Dopplegangr1 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

He definitely deserves it. Despite the QQing we see on here he's done the best balancing of any game I've played, and he stays away from the community so he avoids the toxicity. Look at our lord and savior GabeN, he makes one statement and lost a lot of respect. IceFrog has a lot to gain by staying quiet.

[–]setsuna3nc 127ポイント128ポイント  (29子コメント)

except in the start of every new patch, when people in this subreddit go "wtf icefrog with this update"

but afterall this comic is always relevant

[–]AUI FanFriendewokskick 115ポイント116ポイント  (22子コメント)

I've always taken that as pure joking. I think most of the community respects the balance of the game. It's just fun to joke about it.

[–]floatablepie 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not our fault his shit tastes like bakery fresh cinnamon buns.

[–]First and last glimpse of this Flair KappaRumiyano 77ポイント78ポイント  (10子コメント)

My identity has been revealed.

I am Icefrog.

[–]rafitoxD 96ポイント97ポイント  (12子コメント)

I loved the fact that lol redditors downvoted it to hell. Such a jerk guy, what's the point of doing it?

[–]The Gay Huskargayfarang 144ポイント145ポイント  (8子コメント)

I just got this in my inbox after I made a comment in that thread: https://twitter.com/GayFarang_DOTA/status/739809756236242949/photo/1

Noice.

[–]Dendi wins battles, Kuro wins warsArchyes 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

thats unfair! I didnt get a warning,they just banned me for calling Penisdragon a wanker

[–]HotShot888 112ポイント113ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pendragon isn't a cumstain like you all think! He did everything for the good of the community, but he's too humble to explain the full story. Just take our word for it.

Fucking

Seriously?

[–]Que-Hegan 158ポイント159ポイント  (41子コメント)

And he defends Pendragon, probably the biggest a-hole of the bunch.

PD hate is based on falsehoods

Go fuck yourself, Pendragon is a sleazebag who stole community made content to give to Riot and massively advertised LoL on the biggest Dota 1 forum, and then shut it down when people started protesting.

[–]kybarnet 71ポイント72ポイント  (33子コメント)

I've seen that happen time and again. I was on the Dota 1 Forums - PenDragon always seemed like a bit of a dick (long winded, no point) - but he has an agrument with IceFrog that he wanted something like 50 / 50 ownership, or maybe more. His logic was that he owned the forums and that required more effort than the game.

That did not go over with IceFrog saying you get only the forums, nothing else. So then PenDragon 'sold' the Dota forums to Riot (basically).

A lot of the early beta leaks were probably to popularize the forums. I wouldn't be surprised. I have had written correspondence with both frog & pend. Frog was short but polite (about bug testing) pendragon always seemed arrogant. Only a few times in Google IM did frog lose it lol.

[–]Kyoukori~n!Toshinou-Kyouko 16ポイント17ポイント  (28子コメント)

Only a few times in Google IM did frog lose it lol.

Are you one of Icefrog's beta testers back in the wc3 dota days or part of Icefrog's inner circle perhaps?

[–]kybarnet 40ポイント41ポイント  (27子コメント)

I found a bug, that's all. The IM stuff should be in Google. Ice was stressed during the time of PenD stealing all his shit. He lost it a few times (and people shared).

Part of the reason he stays lowkey is prevent being trolled.

Regarding the ownership stuff, that's was basically in open discussions on the forum. Essentially PenD was not allowed to advertise and Ice didn't pay him, so he was basically another beta tester. He had the opportunity to make millions so he took it, Judas as they say.

[–]Scorch 'em!shinarit 67ポイント68ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't forget that he suspended someone for randoming, what a fucking arrogant fucking fuck. I can't even grasp how people like this can have any power handed to them, when they demonstrably and repeatedly abuse it.

[–]floatablepie 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guess that's why they'll never get replays, the people in charge don't even want them using the features available.

[–]Thyrllan 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's something weird about trynd, like half of his replies defend Pendragon calling him honorable.

[–]Quadzilla74 85ポイント86ポイント  (7子コメント)

Isn't this guy doing what they banned Richard Lewis from the lol subreddit for just threatening to do xD. (Using a person's real name when they when wished to be remain behind a screen name)

[–]dryad_triad 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

And look at mod replies... To everyone else: "Next offense will be a ban."

To him..............

[–]Deadhound 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

So Basically he wants to dox Icefrog

And since he is riot employe/ceo he is allowed unlike RL

[–]wow mb are not doing terribly? okay sure maybe i'm deadblastcage 229ポイント230ポイント  (39子コメント)

/u/Tryndamere what's it like to be such a cunt?

[–]Tweedledumb and TweedledumberBracerCrane 163ポイント164ポイント  (15子コメント)

Top dogs of Riot are like women's underpants.

/u/RiotPendragon is the asshole, /u/Tryndamere is the cunt.

[–]blueDeBrothaa 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

is lyte the dick that leaves after he sees the sorry state they are in?

[–][削除されました]  (5子コメント)

[removed]

    [–]Tweedledumb and TweedledumberBracerCrane 53ポイント54ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I may have not thought this through.

    In hindsight, they might be attached to something else than the underpants.

    [–]EnjoyItItGetsWorse 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

    At some point I'll post the reality of the PD / IF situation - it did not go down the way you think it did. We've always tried to stay out of this to not throw others under the bus, but the PD hate is based on falsehoods. It's a tragic story - for realz.

    for realz

    Is this guy for real? realz?

    [–]the one with s4. actually, pretend it's the [A] flair.nighoblivion 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I bet they lie to themselves so much he believes it by now.

    [–]MartinDeth 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

    League of Dansgame is crumbling fast, they seem to have finally broken the camel's back. Check out more answers from the guy for some hilarity or head over to /r/dotamasterrace/ for the highlights. As someone who's hated that knock off since day 1 I delight in watching their cult fall over.

    [–]deigrinder 213ポイント214ポイント  (60子コメント)

    Of course he is going to say Icefrog is Abdul. Riot were the ones who fucking went on and made a fucking lying post about Icefrog so many years ago.

    [–]lestye 114ポイント115ポイント  (17子コメント)

    He can be Abdul and the post still be a huge sack of lies.

    We DO know that there is some guy named Abdul working at Valve, I hope he doesn't get shit because someone assigned him as Icefrog.

    [–]sooth_ 70ポイント71ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Abdul Ismail appears in CS:GO and L4D2 credits roll, seems like he's just a "regular" Valve employee

    [–]dankiros 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

    All Valve employees appear in the credits, whether they worked on it or not.

    [–]PM_ME_DEAD_FASCISTS 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the point being that he would not be in their employ during the production of L4D2, and I'm not sure that he was employed by valve during CS:GO's production. AFAIK CS:GO wasn't even made by valve, but Hidden Path.

    [–]lestye 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is he? http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/left-4-dead-2/credits I don't see his name here.

    But granted like I don't think that debunks anything necessarily. They both started working at Valve in 2009. If Abdul showed up before 2009, thats clear proof thats not the case.

    [–]CantStumpMrTrump 31ポイント32ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Pictures of Abdul Ismail?

    [–]LeRohameaux 389ポイント390ポイント  (11子コメント)

    He's now playing on EG as their mid laner

    [–]potmalcana 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

    At ESL i was so hyped as Secret during their entrance. Universe was right in front of me and out of excitement I mistakenly screamed Go Sumail! Lol

    [–]Robo-Ky 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If that happened to me, I would think of this moment every time I go to bed.

    [–]Abuk007 79ポイント80ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Pathetic attempt at damaging dota2 integrity. At this point no one cares whats the identity of IceFrog. He built an awesome game with a caring and talented company, and alongside that his anonymity has become a legend/meme. So whether Abdul Ismail, Bruno (lol) or anything other your name, thank you IceFrog for keeping this civil and developing such an beautiful thing. It just shows how jealous and immature your past colleagues have became. Keep it classy Frog. And as always .... nerf Slark plox/ giff diretide / return the boner king.

    [–]llama llama llama llama llama llama llamazyberspace 159ポイント160ポイント  (37子コメント)

    http://dota2.gamepedia.com/IceFrog#Abdul_Ismail_Rumor

    A common theory is that it is pure libel, written by Pendragon after his falling out with IceFrog.

    There you have it, he just repeats what their glory savior said. Just ignore it, he just tries to talk about something different than their fuckup with the dynamic queue and autofill.

    [–]rafitoxD 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The point is not if this is true, the point is that this guy is a complete asshole for revealing the indentity of someone who wants to hide it.

    [–]llama llama llama llama llama llama llamazyberspace 69ポイント70ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Abdul (IF)

    I think it's just a bait so he can stay relevant. What other reason is there to not just use "Icefrog" when talking about him?

    [–]lestye 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I wouldn't be so sure. Take it with a grain of salt because it is Riot. The post might be a huge sack of lies, but the name MIGHT be accurate.

    There's no way Riot never reached out to Icefrog and offered him a job or some sort of role. I can totally imagine them meeting at least once.

    [–]FlukyS 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Well the fact he is at Valve and on the credits of things I think it adds more to the weight of him being IceFrog though. It might be a dick move by PD (the fucking cunt) but I don't know if it is untrue. The only people who know are the people at Valve and the original Dota guys.

    [–]bdzz 66ポイント67ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Idk how can he say that with a straight face after Pendragon destroyed the Dota Allstars forum

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110623204953/http://www.dota-allstars.com/index.html

    Imagine the mods deleting this sub and redirecting everyone to /r/leagueoflegends. And actually it was even worse than that...

    [–]4HeadXet 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Sheesh. How can anyone trust that guy. He says he's gonna archive the site and make it browsable within a week but it just never comes back. They then use a bunch of ideas from the suggestion forums to make LoL characters, and when he finally released the archives like what, 3-4 years later? Parts of the suggestion forums are mysteriously missing. * this might not be true. Seems people have conflicting info on this. It's still certainly true that they used the suggestion forum for champion ideas. For example just search for 'wicket dota allstars archive' and you'll find the forum post where there's a proto-teemo hero.

    Edit: According to the guy who made Wicket, the forums are indeed not really complete.

    And the post on dota allstars: http://da-archive.com/index.php?showtopic=86437. It's a bit odd that there's only 1 reply in that thread. It seems from the top post that it was fairly active and there was some back and forth discussion. For example, there's an edit: "-Aug 16, 06: Replaced Tranquilizer Dart with Catapult as per suggestion by Odinsfury", but there is no post visible from a user called Odinsfury. Seems to indicate stuff is missing. Could be intentional or not. One would assume that it would be completely removed if it was intentional. Who knows really.

    [–]Allerian 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He did put the archive somewhere I think. It was a post on r/dota with an s3.Amazon link . there was some big fucking drama 3-4 years ago when the guy that basically created teemo and rasmus said that he can now finally prove riot stole his ideas. Ill look for the thread and post it if I find it.

    Edit: found it, I knew this was gonna be useful someday

    https://www.reddit.com/r/DOTA/comments/12zjm6/access_to_the_old_dotaallstarscom_to_be_restored/c70dlon

    [–]kekNopd 62ポイント63ポイント  (5子コメント)

    'This thread has been locked because it is brigaded by /r/DotA2'

    ceo posts name of someone who wants to remain anonymous and the thread gets locked when people get pissed?

    what the hell is going on over there? scary place, guess they have to protect their glorious overlords karma somehow

    [–]shadowban survivorMifune_ 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Just a reminder, if you want to read deleted comments, add "un" in front of reddit in the hyperlink. Enjoy your drama boys and girls:

    https://unreddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4mdtua/merrills_musings_tryndameres_response/

    [–]artjomh 41ポイント42ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The reason why Icefrog's identity is unknown to the public is not because he is some kind of secret agent, but because the man values his anonymity and doesn't want his personal life to be in the spotlight.

    The "mystery" of Icefrog is a game we play (with Bruno, for example) for harmless entertainment, but the real reason why Icefrog has remained anonymous is because we respect him and his desire not to become a celebrity.

    To casually allude to his real name (even if that Abdul Ismail persona is bullshit) is just auch a sign of massive disrespect.

    You are not revealing some big secret that could change the world or even Dota, Mr Riot Games, you are just being a disrespectful cunt for no good reason other than spite.

    [–]sjalfurstaralfur 73ポイント74ポイント  (21子コメント)

    Seems like mods*cough*inbedwithRiot*cough* are deleting the thread, here's a screencap

    edit: better mirror

    [–]Danzo3366 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "Posting someone personal information isn't allowed. Note: To our friend from /r/DotA2 brigading is a site wide offense. Keep your outrage in your subreddit."

    ROFL trying to cover his ass.

    [–]zr0iq 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yup, happened after 14h of the post being online. Covering someones tracks/ass is the best way to describe it. Thank you for posting screens.

    [–]Team SecretCyborgmatt 267ポイント268ポイント  (28子コメント)

    Lol

    [–]SECRET TILL I DIETheSpartanWolf 77ポイント78ポイント  (0子コメント)

    matt chuckling because he knows he's the real icefrog

    [–]MrD3ath 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Please tell me someone from secret read that godawful post that hit the front page

    [–]Deepah UnderstandingD3Construct 40ポイント41ポイント  (25子コメント)

    I am Icefrog.

    [–]How can I get more of them Skeleton King flair?thjake 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Ah, Ice Frog!

    [–]Bleep bloop, I am a robot.dota_responses_bot 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

    : Ah, Ice Frog! (sound warning: Lich)


    I am a bot. Question/problem? Ask my master: /u/Jonarz

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    [–]xfleeting 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even the LoL community aren't having it...

    [–]nothing.dashnyamn 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I am the icefrog guys.

    [–]TheRealShitPoster 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

    yo /r/dota2, be careful with downvoting stuff on /r/lol thread. you can get shadowbanned.

    [–]ipiranga 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Shitty, sociopathic leaders -> shitty company -> shitty game.

    Simple as that

    [–]Ain't no problem some tools and a few strong backs can't solveHummingbird36 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For those who missed the thread before it got nuked here is where you can find the comment in question. Posted at roughly midnight GMT+1

    [–]Boss38 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This thread has been locked because it is brigaded by /r/DotA2

    topkek

    [–]Lahast 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Pendragon's letter on the dota-allstars.com site:

    DotA-Allstars.com Visitor, Some of you may know me; many of you probably won’t these days. This website was born on October 14th, 2004. It was a mere 2 months after I turned 18, and it was the first website I’d ever made. Guinsoo was the lead developer (before Icefrog), DotA had no competitive scene and maybe 5% of the players that it does today. In the years that followed, the site turned from a small forum with only 30,000 users to a massive community with over a million visitors every month, a million page views every day, and a staff of over 100 volunteers. It’s been incredible discovering the generosity of individuals who selflessly donate their time to create a positive experience for others. In the summer of 2008, I met Guinsoo in real life for the first time. He and his boss were in town and they wanted to meet up and go out for a steak, (how could I say no!?). I soon learned that they were working on a game based on DotA, free from all of the limitations of the Warcraft III engine and Battle.net. Several months after meeting them and after several trips to their offices to learn more about the project, I joined the Riot Games team working on League of Legends. When I first joined the team in September of 2008, my original intent was to work on League of Legends full time and continue to build DotA-Allstars.com into an awesome thriving DotA community after Icefrog’s departure. While I originally intended to leave this out of this letter, in light of the fact that this information is now out in the open, I think it’s important to set the record straight. Many believe that Icefrog left because I wanted to commercialize, and he did not. In reality – I had learned that Icefrog had been secretly working for S2Games after conducting a series of meetings where he was attempting to sell a full DotA game concept to a number of companies (including Riot). The differences of opinion that we had were merely that I chose to be transparent and honest about the project that I was working on, and the direction my career was going. After working on and launching LoL, I began to realize that – in addition to having no free time anymore – with LoL available to play I no longer possessed the passion for DotA which once drove me. The traffic on the website slowly began to decline, settling where it’s at now (about 50% of where it was a year ago), and I recently realized that I had a decision to make. I could either continue to say that I would rebuild the website as a strong DotA community, knowing that my heart wasn’t really in it, or I could archive the site, ending an almost 6 year chapter of my life that I’ve invested thousands of hours into. Ultimately I believe that the right decision here is to not trick myself into thinking that this site will be rebuilt into what it once was, and to shift my full focus and time to my new project, with an eye towards the future. This website and the DotA community will always hold a special place in my heart. It’s been an amazing experience working with so many wonderful people and gaining so much insight about communities, people, and ultimately myself. There are more people deserving of thanks than I could possibly remember – so rather than leaving anyone out, I’ll simply thank everyone who has volunteered or contributed to this site over the last few years, and everyone who helped make it one of the premier DotA websites in the world. The website will be offline for the next week or so while the database is moved to its new permanent home where its contents will remain archived and available to the public for the sake of historical preservation. In the meantime, I hope some of you will join me and over 3 million other players for a game of League of Legends (it’s free!) Sincerely, Pendragon

    [–]i can be your offlane babyDELBOY1991 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Abdul Ismail has been the #1 suspect for ages though, at least 5 years since I first saw that shit on the forums.

    [–]<3 Hurrican Pikenovae_ampholyt 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    tbh the name itself doesn't mean anything really, even if this is the truth.

    [–]WithFullForce 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Riot keeps saying that the shut down of Dota all Stars and it's content is wrapped in falsehoods but they never show their hand and give the full story.

    [–]Penix.5Cpls 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    With all this "drama" i'd love to see an icefrog ama or something but i know its never gonna happen. Also I think reddit would pretty much break the moment the thread "hello I am Icefrog AMA" thread came up.

    [–]rtz plesJONSKII 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    but but but Bruno loves mangoes, and his reddit account is IceX :')

    [–]ReVector 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    this post should be tagged as spoiler.

    [–]PurpleD0g 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I LOLed at this:

    "Demonstrating that MOBA's were more than just Dota with many controversial gameplay decisions such as: Focusing the laning phase on fighting against another player by making big mana pools, lower cooldowns for "spammier abilities" and different resource types instead of passively "denying" minions in lane while just last hitting "

    meanwhile, you've got Dota 2 pro games ending at 17m with 33 kills and LoL games with first bloods at 14m.... too "passive", huh?

    anyway, i don't actualy give a flying fuck about this. and this is just another fait divers to try and hide something like a decreasing player base on LoL. I won't comment about the game per se, but it's kinda old, gaming has evolved, esports have evolved and surpassed LoL. And it seems like a desperate attempt to grab on to something, even if it means grabbing others to try and take them down with you.

    sad.