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[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 43ポイント44ポイント  (34子コメント)

ahem Bullshit. "Stepping down"

I've been kicked out. What a surprise that the person advocating for more council transparency and accountability has been removed.

No reason has been provided. See below.

Retirement from EliteCouncil from StuartGT sent 7 hours ago Hi LC, Following a discussion amongst our Modteam, we've decided to retire you from the Council. We appreciate all your contributions to discussions and votes on changes while you were active, and please accept our gratitude for your assistance :) If you have any questions, please feel free to message me :)

[–]DootStuff 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, all those :) faces. Real shady shit considering you were the one championing major improvements. I wonder how many of the new people will vote lockstep with the admin now making all votes go however they want.

[–]blastcagei'm only pretending to be retarded 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

we've decided to retire you

This is some high-level corporatespeak, Christ. Maybe you're better off, honestly.

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yeah, they had to put the friendly face of Stuart on it...

Even though this has Spytec written all over it.

He's wanted an excuse for ages to remove me for taking on his girlfriend for being a corrupt dictator.

I'm sure he has an excuse but he's yet to provide it to me or the council.

I wait with bated breath as to the purported reason for my removal.

[–]DeathGrips619DeathGrips [SDC] - Autistic Armada Founder & CEO 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wait... that's a girl?

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

He's talking about /u/Rhea

[–]IamNarwhaleDoki Doki | Missile Delivery Services 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

So his comment still stands.

....That's a girl?

[–]I-D-A-CVyk 'Rahn Darzhul / Iridium Wing 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

For what I've heard (talking on videos), yes.

[–]Under9Thou -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Try again

[–]CMDR_VeraxVerax | SDC | Memerrino 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pizza sheet

[–]Phil_T_CasualPhil_T_Casual | SDC Splodey-Wing Leader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to tell you something......

[–]I-D-A-CVyk 'Rahn Darzhul / Iridium Wing 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

That is what I was afraid of...

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hey congrats on your appointment man.

Just don't think you're there to affect any real change.

If you vote against the mods and what they've already decided in their private rooms they want to do... you will get removed... your votes will be vetoed... and your attempts to engage the actual userbase of the reddit will be viewed as dissent!

Good luck!

[–]I-D-A-CVyk 'Rahn Darzhul / Iridium Wing 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Like I would care about the position, I want to see how "transparent" they are, nothing more.

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Go look at my old contributions on there... then look at the thread with the discord discussions with ex-member Rhea.

You tell me whether you think this removal was personal or not?

[–]I-D-A-CVyk 'Rahn Darzhul / Iridium Wing 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

So... I've been looking and I think both parts have a bit of fault. Don't get me wrong, I still think that Modteam needs heavy fixing.

As about your question... Maybe.

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems reasonable to me.

I certainly don't think I've never been at fault, even partially... not in over a year on this sub.

[–]phantagorPhantagor, Apostle of Cosmic State 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

NO comment on why they kicked you out O.o?
shakes head this sub....

[–]KrysoKryso |【AKB☆E】| 【HS ζ HS】 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wew lad.

I honestly felt bad for SpyTec in the last shitstorm, but now it seems like they are asking for it.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean... he did kinda earn it.

[–]KrysoKryso |【AKB☆E】| 【HS ζ HS】 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. I did not agree with the rule change, nor do I disagree that there is obvious bias, but imo that didn't justify attacking one's private relationship directly.

Discussing, or arguing, the where they believe the bias is coming from is fine, sure, but some of the things people said quite frankly took it a bit far.

[–]KermitLaphroaigBig Frog of the Diamond Frogs 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

I find this troubling. Even a little alarming! Is there some other given reason Liquid was removed from this role?

[–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

The official word is;

various reasons

No other explanation was given to /r/EliteCouncil and no notice was given to LiquidCatnip prior to removal.

[–]KermitLaphroaigBig Frog of the Diamond Frogs 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Official Word has got to do better than that, and I am all ears

[–]BPOPRDubstep Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When it comes to this modteam, I'm more nall ears.

[–]KrysoKryso |【AKB☆E】| 【HS ζ HS】 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't have the same opinions, of course. How can you have a legitimate council if it has actual power and it's not a complete echo chamber?!

[–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah i didn't read the quote earlier...that's some dystopian shit.

[–]Elite-PhoenixPhoenix [gitting gud] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I must say all this shit is getting farcical.

[–]4Cheese_RopanouieCMDR Perturbator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Omg more fucking drama, I just want spaceships and a wholesome community.....

[–]BPOPRDubstep Dragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods of this sub are bad. B-A-D. They are petty tyrants who need to be dealt with.

[–]Rappy33Rappy 【AKB☆E】𝓲𝓷𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓭𝓲𝓬𝓽 𝓶𝓮 𝓭𝓪𝓭𝓭𝔂 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

In an effort to "decentralize" centralize decision making over the rules and operation of /r/EliteDangerous, the council was formed: on /r/EliteCouncil changes to the subreddit (for example new rules) are proposed by the Modteam, then discussed, revised, voted on, and passed by members one person and the rest are vetoed

ftfy

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

Here's the reason apparently:

We welcome different viewpoints and opinions in Council discussions, and your contributions were excellent. It was my suggestion to retire you however, following my disappointment at your actions during the N&S drama. Specifically the public attacks on SpyTec regarding your personal grievances of three months prior - the moderation of Discord and Rhea on Council - issues I personally helped resolve at that earlier time, and were no longer a problem. Also the leaking of on-going discussions and votes, phrased in a negative manner, was also a disappointment to see. These said attacks and posts served as inciting further unnecessary drama & conflict; they could have been resolved within the Council itself. Once I brought these points up with Magic and ShazBot, they agreed that our confidence in you had been eroded, and it was best to retire you.

To which I respond:

Yeah I don't see Spytec's name in there... I'm sure as head mod he had absolutely nothing to say on the issue. I'm sure nobody put you up to it... nobody ever said anything about it. I'm sure his hands are completely clean of anything to do with this. What public attacks on Spytec? I've publicly defended him and the mod team insofar as moderation goes... but I've also taken issue both in council and in public (you know... that transparency thing you purportedly support) for having a conflict of interest where Rhea is concerned. There's huge public concern about that conflict of interest. I didn't leak shit... it's part of the rules of the council we can discuss our own opinions and our own votes. That's in the sidebar. The public wanted transparency and it was well within the rules for me to disclose the outcome of votes and my own opinions provided I didn't disclose anyone else's. You know... like what Rhea did when she leaked a bunch of council shit in Discord and caused a witchhunt against me. Talk about a double standard. What you're talking about is the fact that because I didn't tow the party line and agree with everything the boyking and his team of yes men wanted, I get ousted. Go look at the reddit discussion... people aren't upset for no reason. You're turning a blind eye to the problems and suggesting that anyone who cares enough to call someone out on bullshit be silenced. You're saying I should have brought this up in council... I did, numerous times. Look what happens. Spytec's strategy of "ignore the problem until it goes away and veto anything you don't like" works. With no-one actually saying shit then nobody gets held accountable. Well done, mate. You're putting the final nails in the coffin of the mods being seen as the gestapo.

[–]StuartGTGTᴜᴋ ☢ -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

And here is my reply for all to see:


Heck no, SpyTec agreed with our conclusion of course (as did Murdoc) but was unnecessary for approval (SpyTec's opinion obviously being biased against you following the personal attacks).

As to the public attacks, starting from this comment - many of which have been removed (but are still stored on Reddit, visible to mods and admins, and can be re-approved). Completely off-topic to incite conflict and drama, in your own serious thread of all places.

Whether there's a huge public concern about a prior conflict of interest (i.e. 6 months ago), or whether its just hyperbole from a small, yet vocal, number of disappointed CMDRs, is at this point unknown. This is no more important than a soap-opera drama subplot, and from comments I've seen, the number of CMDRs who appear to think this is of interest is around 70.

Regarding "I didn't tow the party line and agree with everything the boyking and his team of yes men wanted" you realise this is a subreddit - and we're discussing merely moderation, and a Council helping define the subreddit's rules and events. This isn't a political party running a country, or a multi-million pound company, or charity helping starving third-world populations. It's a fan forum, a popular one admittedly. Drama is not welcome, and (successful) attempts to create it are logged appropriately.

Some CMDRs are indeed upset, and we'll do our best to accommodate their concerns where appropriate. However, keeping everyone happy with their individual preferences is impossible.

Your valid points in the Council discussions were noted, and we're taken steps to implement some of them. As per my initial PM your contributions have been excellent. The public drama-inciting comments not-so-much.

And Godwin's law is proved true once again. I believe something like "such drama, much hyperbole, very salt" would be applicable here.

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

How is it off-topic?

In context it's in response to the assertion by Spytec that the Discord is a "Separate entity to subreddit" implying that it's not the official discord... when historical precedent begs to differ.

It wasn't off-topic at all given the direction of that conversation thread.

"Inciting conflict and drama" is a nice dismissive way of saying you don't like that I'm calling people out for what many see as a conflict of interest and bad decision making. I dare to object... just like I dare to object to this shit.

Riddle me this... if this was all such a problem... why did Spytec engage in the discussion and further it? Surely if I'm offtopic then by extension he is as well? Or Rhea... who went ahead and deleted all her comments after the fact?

Also, why was this apparent misconduct not raised with me? Any of you could have asked me politely to back off and I would have.

Was there ever any shortage of opportunity to raise a complaint with me? No.

You, Magic or Shaz could have spoken to me about it and made a request.

As I've said in another thread... opting to remove me instead of reason or make request of me... that's pretty gutless and speaks volumes about the culture you're creating.

You're clearly buying into Spytec's reasoning, which I've heard from him, that this is all one very vocal minority who have a problem... but how can you really be sure? Counting the comments?

Have you polled the members? Have you considered how many have left because they don't like how this place is modded? The council itself is losing members to it.

I'm sure you'd love to invoke Godwin's but since I was referring to public opinion and not my own it doesn't fly.

What I will say is this... the fact that none of you brought it up with me coupled with the fact you didn't disclose the reasoning to the council nor myself nor the public until I called you out...

You're gutless.

[–]phantagorPhantagor, Apostle of Cosmic State 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to admit that even people like me or silk who are one of the most frequent salt mine starters got a warning after one (!) Fucking year of continued drama on this subreddit. No one cared and it took the mods a year to call out a warning...

But it seems you are more dangerous to them so you get immediately kicked...

Or in other words:if you behave continously like a troll on this subreddit it is fine. ..but doom to those opposing the mod team ...

Just let that sink in....and remember what...stuff...a certain party did to the knowledge of spytec...and this member is still here...

This is not about me...just think about what all can happen in this sub without any real negative consequences as long as it does not directly involve the mods. ..

[–]SpyTec13SpyTec - Wiki Admin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to admit that even people like me or silk who are one of the most frequent salt mine starters got a warning after one (!) Fucking year of continued drama on this subreddit. No one cared and it took the mods a year to call out a warning...

We've moderated and kept an eye on this for ages, but want to avoid banning wherever possible.

But it seems you are more dangerous to them so you get immediately kicked...

He's still allowed on the subreddit and with no warnings whatsoever

[–]StuartGTGTᴜᴋ ☢ -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thankyou for your feedback :)

While I admire your obvious passion for being a member of the Council, and consequently your frustration at us simply removing you, your objection is unnecessary - Reddit isn't and won't ever be a democracy. Modteams manage their respective subreddits, and the Council here is to help us discuss and define rules and events to better /r/EliteDangerous, nothing more.

As to the timing of my replies, it's difficult to respond when I'm asleep (5:30am BST). I was awake until 3am BST finishing some work, so a good 5hr after my initial PM to yourself. You could of course have been patient and waited for my reply, but you chose alternatively avenues.

Reasoning with yourself was predicted to be futile, a judgment I made which I stand by, as unfortunately you're simply too prone to unnecessary drama.

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reasoning with yourself was predicted to be futile, a judgment I made which I stand by, as unfortunately you're simply too prone to unnecessary drama.

A statement that just about every respected member of this community has made about Rhea at some point.

[–]StuartGTGTᴜᴋ ☢ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A valid point.

[–]VoggixVoggix [EIC] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure pulling the "It's not a Democracy" card will further endear the mod team to the community... Well played.

[–]StuartGTGTᴜᴋ ☢ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a plain fact, endearing or not.

[–]VoggixVoggix [EIC] 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

When is this sham of a mod team going to be forcibly removed? The community deserves better!

[–]AnorionAn Onion, now with 87% more syn-propanethial-S-oxide! 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

The only non-echo chamber voice has been removed. /u/EDMods is now essentially the Imperial Senate. It's only a matter of time before the council is dissolved permanently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE

[–]KrysoKryso |【AKB☆E】| 【HS ζ HS】 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's only a matter of time before the council is dissolved permanently

The council's only real purpose was to persuade the community that they have representation in regards to changes made to the subreddit. It's a total sham.

Edit: I had a derp

[–]AnorionAn Onion, now with 87% more syn-propanethial-S-oxide! 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know, but as long as dissent was allowed, we had hope. Now we have none.

[–]KrysoKryso |【AKB☆E】| 【HS ζ HS】 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I plead for the Modteam, to simply remove u/SpyTec, his removal will solve more problems than the removal of any other member of the Modteam, his continued favoring and nepotism towards other members of the community and groups will continue to fog this subreddit with doubt and hate amongst members!

[–]tskaisertskaiser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"simply remove". He's top mod, the way reddit works he is unimpeachable.

[–]yomamabeatBloodhawk | Triple Dagerous 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

down with the boy-king. off with his head.

[–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wine!

[–]Elite-PhoenixPhoenix [gitting gud] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is that accomplished?

[–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

in hindsight this should have been done regarding the Name & Shame rule change in April

I wonder which council member was suggesting that?

Was it this one?

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's that one word it rhymes with "checked" oh that's right, "Rekt"!

We of the Independent r/EliteDangerous Independence Front, will not stop until you are placed back on the Council or until the Modteam cuts their losses and SpyTec is removed from the Modteam!

[–]StuartGTGTᴜᴋ ☢ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder which council member was suggesting that?

Was it this one?

There was no such suggestion from yourself prior to the vote. Seeing as you're happy for your comments to be open, here is what you posted at the time:

Having been on the receiving end of doxxing in this game I can say it remains truly staggering to me that people take this shit so seriously that the line between real-life identities and in-game personas blurs.

Having said that... I think there's a case for being able to talk about the actions of various CMDRs.

How does the community police itself and determine its own standards of conduct if not informed as to what people are doing?

Should people that are cheaters, hackers, doxxers, loggers, griefers, bigots, etc... be afforded the anonymity to move from system to system and group to group ruining the game for people as no-one can report on their actions so they're free to do so again and again?

I don't think it's a cut and dry issue, is what I'm getting at.

On the one hand, banning it would stop the N&S shitposting from groups like SDC and the constant cries of "Hacker!" "Combat logger!" etc... as well as preventing doxxing (which actually matters)... but conversely it allows cunts to flourish unabated because FDEV don't have the facility to shut them down.

There are some means of conduct within a community that is a matter of ethics/standards and that is for the community itself to decide... is what I'm getting at.

Very good contributions, but no mention of "consulting the subreddit at large" prior to rules being implemented.

What of course has been actioned is usage of /r/EliteCombatLoggers, who are doing an excellent job of archiving CL-videos, and publishing the summary data on this subreddit. Furthermore, discussions on the topic of cheaters, hackers, etc are certainly welcomed, and indeed do still occur.

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    [–]DeathGrips619DeathGrips [SDC] - Autistic Armada Founder & CEO 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What a surprise, a bunch of lies and cover-ups coming from the "Council"...

    This council is a fraud and doesn't represent this community AT ALL.

    [–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pretty much.

    [–]Phil_T_CasualPhil_T_Casual | SDC Splodey-Wing Leader 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /u/spytec13 up to his usual fuckin bullshit.

    [–]tanj_redshirtTanj Redshirt (filthy neutral) 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Welcome, new Ricks!

    [–]CMDR_VeraxVerax | SDC | Memerrino 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Can we just change the name now to r/Spytec13?

    [–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    uhhh, https://www.reddit.com/r/SpyTec/, is a thing

    Only for those who truly worship /u/SpyTec13

    i assume it's a joke description and he uses it for testing CSS.

    [–]Elite-PhoenixPhoenix [gitting gud] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shouldn't council members be voted up on by the community? I'm seeing one person on there I really object to, Mr White Knight himself. I've no idea about the rest.

    Must say, these silly dramas are getting old. Theres a bit of an ego and power trip probrem from what I can tell. The same person comes up time after time.. I'm rather surprised the sub needs moderating at all quite frankly..

    [–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If anyone cares, I've also stepped down from council membership.

    [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    What about /u/Issues420916 was he/she also removed?

    [–]Issues420916 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I left a while ago, had little to no interest in the game or council...

    [–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's correct. I have PM'd Issues asking if he also did not receive notice before being removed but I have yet to hear back.

    [–]MrT3aMrT3a 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You too were steeped down ?

    [–]Goose4291Goose4291 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Disappointed with all this, but not surprised. I had this vague notion that we were better than backroom discussions, removals and the ilk.

    [–]ZizeemoZizeemo [Space Hobo] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Awww liquidcatnip is stepping down :(

    [–]LiquidCatnipLiquidCatnip [www.EIC.club] 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Nope, not stepping down. I got stepped down.

    As in they are forcibly removing me.

    [–]LaboratoryOneFatHaggard - Elite Racers CoFounder【AKB☆E】Inu 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He is not stepping down, he has been removed.

    [–]BalurithAzorius Erisai (Carebear) 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is definitely suck.

    [–]Vaeh 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Three of the new council members have RES tags, made by me, because I thought I detected a clear pro 2.1/Elite/Frontier bias in their comments and submissions. It's surprising how much utterly and often blindly supportive content gets posted by the same accounts.

    And now they are part of this council. Great.

    [–]blood__drunkBlood Drunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    maybe I'm reading that wrong - but are you suggesting council members shouldn't be supportive of the game, the developers behind the game, or the latest update to the game that we're all here to discuss?

    What you may see as "blindly supportive" may well be just them enjoying the game surely?

    Genuine questions - I don't follow this reddit enough to know who the 3 people you refer to are let alone whether they "blindly support" or not.

    My view - I'd rather have people who are unadulterated fanboys of the game modding the fan community of the game, rather than someone vehemently opposed, or even neutral, doing it.

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      [–]TrauermarschTrauermarsch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Interesting format

      [–]yomamabeatBloodhawk | Triple Dagerous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      lol@ adding eagleboy, the high priest of E:D fanboyism and PvP hatred

      [–]MagicBigfootMiro Hetzel[M] -20ポイント-19ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Looking forward to councilling it up with you all!

      [–]Punch_OutPunchOut ( Griefer in Training ) SDC -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      White Rage Baby!!