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[–]Can_Oner 103ポイント104ポイント  (22子コメント)

Honestly I am torn. I still think RB is still the only gamemode War Thunder has that is different and better than their competitors.

[–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 54ポイント55ポイント  (11子コメント)

Which is really why the poll options are dumb, forcing strategic voting (you're not nessecarily voting for what you want, but against what you don't want)

[–]Legally married to the Leopard IArrogantWhale 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

Almost feels like I'm voting for president or something

[–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

My country is talking about electoral reform that would hopefully deter "strategic voting", but yes that is a perfectly valid comparison.

[–]BigJoeHanson 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aladeen or Aladeen?

[–]ps4 noobArtificialbunny 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Would you like us to: A)break your little sister's arm? or B) shit in your mouth?"

[–]Ithuraen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you want mass censorship or do you want us to ruin your game?

Oh you want mass censorship? You guys voted for that? Well okay, if that's what you really want guys, sure no problem!

[–]12th SS Panzer Division/ JG 7Tarnsman4Life 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Childish is the word, Childish. "You support us destroying people who bitch about cheating, or we will make RB as shitty as Arcade Mode".

[–]AtomicGuru 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The poll options aren't dumb, they're purposefully deceitful. This way when Gaijin strikes Phly for demonstrating that cheats do, in fact, exist they get to point to the poll and say,"but see is what players wanted )))))"

If they added a third choice: 3) Go fuck yourself, then the other two options would be merely dumb.

[–]Mult1Core 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Id prefer option 3above those 2 given.

[–]BaneWilliams 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I ONLY play RB, and I only do so because I don't have any indicators. This means I can play stealthy.

But, I know of people @ 5+ BR using hacks, and it's pretty disgusting. There isn't a way to submit a replay, there isn't a way to report that actually does anything, there is literally no recourse to have these people removed.

Yesterday there was a match a friend of mine was in, and people instantly were complaining about a player as a known hacker. Sure enough, he was getting 2km+ shots through multiple forms of cover and not being able to see the enemy in any way.

Why is a player like that still around? and why isn't their a reporting system in place to prevent these people from being a nuisance.

[–]Zargabraath 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is the hacking a problem in sim?

Sim mode is the easiest to ambush people in because they only have realistic views and can't look around corners with third person as you can in RB.

[–]BaneWilliams 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm, think about Kursk, taking 2km+ shots through a bunch of foliage that you can't possibly return fire from. Having all the enemies visible on the map whenever you press M.

Yeah, it's a problem.

[–]Zargabraath 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only play sim ground, (and RB and SB air) I'd argue that sim ground is very similar to RB ground but with a bit more realism that makes it more fun in my opinion

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    [–]sharpee05 33ポイント34ポイント  (18子コメント)

    First GrmlZ, now Magz :/

    [–]Optical_Ilyushin 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

    first jagex, now gaijin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZ4UEV0nMI

    seems another company is also abusing DCMA to get rid of those they don't like... not saying I approve of the WT community's witch hunt behaviour, and not defending phly, since I don't really consider his opinions as worth anything anymore, but both jagex and gaijin have not been doing well by abusing youtube's copyright system.

    honestly I dont like either side of this scandal, both sides are stupid for different reasons and they both could handle these issues more maturely in general.

    [–]Burnt outIanbuckjames 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Funnily enough, Jagex also recently added a feature to Runescape called Last Man Standing. Just thought that was a funny coincidence.

    [–]Dora the Explora!The_Hairy_Nipple 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am a member of both the War Thunder community and the Old School Runescape community and there is a huge difference here. The main one being that RoW broke contract with Jagex's ToS on multiple occasions to the point of empowering other users to hack and real-world trade.

    In Phly's case he was showing that this game is not perfect, in RoW's case he was actively showing how to cheap and make the game worse for other players.

    [–]Optical_Ilyushin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    what I am saying is there is a better way for both gaijin and jagex to deal with the issue other than abuse of DCMA. and I am not saying phly's video was necessarily bad, but his take on things tends to exaggerate things, and certainly gets his mindless fans on witch hunts which are already toxic enough at that.

    once again, dont like either side of this scandal, gaijin was dealing with hackers before and it was fine, now they abused DCMA and are planning to ruin RB, because the community is bitching about hackers as if they were an epidemic.

    so yeah, both sides are stupid, 10/10 worst community I have ever seen, youtube is festering with plebs and gaijin's own PR team can't handle any public pressure.

    [–]Lawrence_s 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We are talking about actual decent Youtubers here though. Return of Wilderness was a toxic slime. Gaijin could actually learn a lot from the Jagex dev team regarding an open development/balancing proccess.

    [–]Optical_Ilyushin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    well tbh I do actually see why gaijin doesn't like phly's style of publicity, as he basically made 1 hacker seem like gaijin was just ignoring hackers and not doing anything about illegal mods.

    as far as I see the WT youtube community, it is plebby and toxic in itself, always too quick to jump to conclusions and too often overgeneralizing and misleading (not all youtubers, but most of the big ones do this chronically, and their fans just make the whole thing worse).

    but I have respect for being able to voice one's own opinion, so I do not condone the way gaijin is dealing with things. it is particularily stupid that they are now going from "we will continue to ban hackers" to "lets fuck everyone over with shitty game mechanics", but I can see why; phly has become a martyr is a stupid war, and it has made them assume that their previous strategy of banning people who abuse illegal mods wasn't working, so they are taking more drastic measures to "appease" the community.

    honestly, given the options they are considering instead, I just wanted them to keep doing what they were already doing, but doing it well.

    link to what they are considering doing now: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/314355-developer-rb-mode-and-illegal-modifications/page-21

    as for jagex, same thing, I dont condone their actions regardless of how toxic returnofwilderness is, as I believe that DCMA abuse is truly unacceptable. play by the rules folks.

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      [–]DeKrieg 28ポイント29ポイント  (39子コメント)

      Not unexpected from Magz.

      Though I'll need to brush up on my copyright law but using someones content to advertise material that is illegal or the original copyright holder consider immoral is actual grounds to make a copyright claim.

      Where Gaijin have Gaijin'd the issue is that they consider discussion of cheats as advertising. As I stated in the original thread on this issue I have not seen Phly's video so I dont know its content so I dont know what is it about the video that set them off, how much details he stated or if it was just an observation.

      Which frankly is where things go into shit creek.

      [–]Hombremaniac 31ポイント32ポイント  (19子コメント)

      He showed a replay where some dude was pulling out perfect shots to targets that were hidden behind bunch of trees and stuff, so he really shout have had zero visibility to them. Phly changed settings to ultra low to rule that out as a reason for those shots.

      Anyway if Gaijin murders RB GF by adding markers, then Im done with them.

      [–]DeKrieg 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

      He didnt name drop the specific hack he suspected it was or identify it as a purchasable hack? I know doing that tends to p*ss off game developers across the board.

      otherwise it sounds like its in the same catagory as the video Quickiebaby did in WoT recently (though according to Anton, Phly made a call for people to stop playing RB in the video which is usual overblown hyperbole from him, but not threatening with copyright level of stupidity)

      [–]Hombremaniac 13ポイント14ポイント  (17子コメント)

      Dang now I dont remember if I saw the vid to the very end or not, but I do not recall him saying any specific name of that hack. Well he might have said something like wall hack or aimbot, not sure if that would be extra specific though.

      [–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

      To be honest, all one has to do is google "war thunder hacks" and you'll find your way. (not offering any opinion here)

      [–]Hombremaniac 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

      True true, its just that vid made it all too visible to the player community. Some folks might have even doubted that there are such hacks, but if they've seen this, they doubt no longer.

      Plus this vid made Gaijin look bad which they obviously dislike. Btw holding RB mode as a hostage is kinda low, I would say. Besides if they murder RB GF, they will lose a lot of players.

      [–]sp8yboy 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

      True and true. I've played this game for over two years solid and thrown huge amounts of gold at it. I didn't mind because I got so much out of it and still do. Its fun and rewarding and infuriating all at once. Most of that time I've been playing from the Persian Gulf, with average pings around 200ms to 300 ms on a 25 fps laptop. Forget hackers. During this time I could have been taken out by a toddler pressing random buttons with their feet as long as they had a good connection but it was fine. Now I'm back in the UK with low latency and a gaming rig and I am peed off even if the chance of meeting a hacker online is < 0.5% or 1 in 200 games, though of course it feels like more. So I don't see the need to put money into the game anymore at least not on the same scale. Then again I have ground nearly everything except jets so I don't have to.

      I was surprised to see Phly's video and am not surprised it's gone private. That said Phly has done the community a huge service by raising this as the only thing that will succeed is intense pressure on Gaijin to be more pro active. I'm sure they are trying but it's a tough old world and they will have to run ever faster to slow down the uptake of hacks. Crashing RB is an asinine way to go about it.

      [–]Hombremaniac 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Crashing RB is an asinine way to go about it.

      I dont think they wanted that but simply used RB as a hostage to force community into agreement with them. And yeah, it was rather bad idea to say the least.

      Btw you mentioned grinds. Another thing that used to be less pain than these days. If I started to play now, I would hardly unlock tier IV tanks as it.

      [–]sp8yboy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You're right. I've been grinding the module upgrades for the British Falcon for weeks, it seems. Its quicker to drop into AB and farm plane kills but even then its awful. There is NO chance of me grinding any more Brits eg Conway.

      The Russian tanks including upgrades ground out fast, but Brit and American not so. I have just got my first Vampire jet, a POS if ever there was one, and I am now half way to a Venom with not having managed to upgrade any modules.

      [–]Hombremaniac 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I wish the state of the game was changing for the best, but I dont think that his happening. Or perhaps Im just too pesimistic with all the sh*t happening around the world.

      And respect for getting to jets, thats something I cant see myself doing. Guess I am more of ground hugger anyway, happy in Panther or Fat Max with occasional ground pounding in Duck or Me-410.

      [–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I was not disagreeing with that! Also my opinion. Just wanted to say that you don't have to name drop anything specific to generate interest.

      [–]Hombremaniac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No problem man, I was not saying otherwise. Just wonder how this whole situation will play out...

      [–]Self proclaimed tow-cable guyVoxination 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If I recall correctly he just generilized and reasoned it looked like wallhack, does generilizing while labeling something something broad as "wallhack" even count as "advertising" at all?

      I mean every gamer knows what a wallhack is supposed to be doing, this is something like trying to advertise nike by saying "I think that person has a shoe"

      [–]Hombremaniac 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think that Gaijin just got mad because that vid showed there is some hacking going around. I mean people know it, but showing it has bigger impact. And no, I would not count that as an advertisement unless he provided links to those hacks or such.

      [–]bawki 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

      He didnt mention any sort of hack, I saw it at the time and dont believe removing the video is neccessary

      [–]Hombremaniac 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      He was kinda calling that dude out for hacking & cheating no?

      Anyway Gaijin being hysterical about it will not help anything.

      [–]bawki 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yes he did, but he never advertised what hack the guy was using. He never called any specific hack names other than saying he is using a wallhack. I faintly remember him rambling about a RB marker script at some point but he never named it.

      [–]Hombremaniac 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      He surely managed to rustle Gaijin's jimmies to the maximum though.

      Damn I so wish that majority of multiplayer games simply did not have any cheats & hacks.

      Why dou you people cheat? Do you think you can fool yourself into thinking you are good players that way? (question not directed at you bawki).

      [–]bawki 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      For the people writing hacks it is actually fun to do, I never wrote a hack myself but used a lot of cheat engine memory searching to write positional audio for BF3 and mumble. It was fun to explore and trying to figure out what other people wrote for their games.

      [–]Hombremaniac 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I ofc ment using hacks and cheats in MP games thus ruining other people's fun. That is simply despicable practice.

      [–]HerraTohtori 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Though I'll need to brush up on my copyright law but using someones content to advertise material that is illegal or the original copyright holder consider immoral is actual grounds to make a copyright claim.

      There is absolutely no way in heaven or hell that using the copyright strike system for this purpose is legal.

      The EULA of War Thunder may forbid (or be modified to forbid) any discussion or even mention of exploits or hacks of the game. So doing so may be grounds to account termination - that's within Gaijin's own rules, and they may well be bone-headed enough to actually do it.

      But the point of it is that EULA violations are contractual violations, not violations of copyright law which is what the strike system on YouTube and other such services pertains to. Copyrights, by definition belong to the creator of the content. It's vaguely possible that Gaijin could make the case that they have the right to withdraw the permission to use their assets (ie. War Thunder the game) for creating videos whose content they disagree with, but I don't think any actual court of law would recognize such a claim. It simply goes beyond what copyright legislation is made for. It would probably just be rejected as unconscionable. Then there's also things like overstepping the freedom of press - for example, if there's a problem with a game (in this case, possible cheating), game journalists need to be able to talk about it in order to fairly assess the value of the game and convey it to their readers.

      In effect, I believe by "striking" the accounts for non-copyright related issues, Gaijin are opening themselves to litigation for fraudulent copyright claims. But IANAL... Paging /u/VideoGameAttorney , what's the deal here?

      Ignoring the legal problems, they are also shooting themselves in the foot by making themselves the laughingstock of everyone who has a lick of common sense about this, because there has never been a situation, ever, where attempting censorship on the Internet has made the information less available. That shit doesn't work and just makes you and the issue of contention more widely known.

      The poll options are, correspondingly, not even related to each other. The option of "striking all mentions or references about cheating" is in no way related to actual in-game changes that would be aimed to actually deal with the potential cheating.

      Furthermore: If you have to make changes that negatively affect the gameplay (such as making enemy icons visible in RB Tanks), then that is already a concession that you have no valid response to the hacking being done. I don't believe that can possible be the case; in fact, it sounds more like something they could do quickly with little effort to curb the effectiveness of some of the more popular hacks.

      Neither option is acceptable, for both the future of Gaijin as a credible game developer, or War Thunder as a game. Personally, I don't play RB tanks so the issue doesn't directly affect me (other than possible use of cheats in SB Ground) but solidarity is kind of important in things like this.

      [–]All US/UK GF UnlockedTheProYodler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This applies to the US only, and does not apply equally throughout the US )re; different jurisdictions will have different provisions and precedents regarding the same issue.

      I can briefly answer your question. Gaijin is free to strike whatever videos they like AS LONG AS they are not in violation of their own contract with YouTube regarding how the strikes are to be administered. As far as I am aware, strikes are explicit tools for copyright infringement moderation; any other use of strikes--if those are the contract contingencies--is a breach of contract, and there should be a specific path for discourse and remedies.

      Some jurisdictions within the United States do not consider EULA's to be legally binding contracts )re; neither party has any duty. If you are under the age of 18 you lack capacity, and can nullify the contract at your leisure. However, some jurisdictions may the forfeit of goods or services provided by the contract.

      As far as entities having complete title-ship over their copyrighted creations: no. Several "fair use" clauses enable use of copyrighted material without implied consent.

      There is no statue or precedent in any jurisdiction, that I am aware of, which incorporates the concept of morality when concerning the usage of copyrighted material.

      [–]Meme master, master of memes.TinyTinyDwarf 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

      content to advertise material that is illegal

      You say advertise, I say highlight. He wasn't promoting it, therefor he wasn't advertising it. He was pointing it out.

      EDIT: Removed unnecessary insult to DeKrieg. But my point still stands.

      [–]DeKrieg 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yes thats kind of the point of the second paragraph I wrote.

      I'm sort of sad that I missed you hurling unnecessary abuse at me.

      [–]onemoresky 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      That almost sounds like you enjoy it........ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      [–]DeKrieg 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I enjoy many things

      [–]Retired from WTEruantienAduialdraug 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Duly noted. Saved as RES tag,

      [–]DeKrieg 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      One bit my original post is slightly misleading, is that I didnt mean using someones content to advertise content that the original creator considers immoral, just that it is used in a way that the original content creator finds immoral.

      Some examples being people using the music video of some teeny bob star intercut with porn (which does exist and Taylor Swift's representatives did make a a copyright claim against one such video) then there is Trump with almost every song in existence on his campaign as another example. Both of these are not advertising but they associate the original creator with things that made them uncomfortable and they used copyright to have that association removed.

      Which may be the ground Gaijin intended to argue here, but the use of the word discussion pretty much torpedos that position and just makes everything worse.

      [–]"Hey guys check out this cheat" ~PhlyDailyDarthCloakedGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ad·ver·tise ˈadvərˌtīz

      3 make (a quality or fact) known. "Meryl coughed briefly to advertise her presence"

      Source

      [–]fatkidfallsdown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      yes one of the many word in the English language with more than one meaning

      [–]1000€Milleuros 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Where Gaijin have Gaijin'd the issue is that they consider discussion of cheats as advertising.

      I see their point though. In their opinion, if you talk about cheats it gives idea to would-be cheaters to actually use them. In particular if you show a video of how well they perform and how they were able to work around Gaijin's security system. A cheater watching the video won't give a damn that there's some guy in audio insulting him or whatever, cheaters don't have ethics.

      For Gaijin, a video like that is unintended advertising for cheats. I see their logic: shut down people talking about it to avoid having new players getting ideas.

      But that's of course an arguable position.

      [–]DeKrieg 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      True but its a term thats honestly too general in legal terms which frankly makes it difficult both to enforce and to abide by and puts us at the whim of Gaijin, which most of these videos are anyway despite as I already see on the official thread people linking to videos on Fair Use.

      But fair use is very specific in its use and technically this doesnt fall under fair use because its not a transformative work nor is it a parody so it at best its commentary and criticism which has very strict limits on how much content can be shown from the original creator before they are allowed to claim copyright regardless of the reasons. Since this is from what I've been told an entire replay of a war thunder match that pretty much gives Gaijin Carte blanche in terms of ignoring fair use.

      [–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      so you're saying all future discussions of hacking should be in the form a parody? :)

      [–]DeKrieg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hah no :D Actually what he would needed to do was just have less footage from war thunder and he would have been protected under fair use. If He had only brief short clips showing the cheating and the rest was over something else he would have easily been eligible for Fair use under commentary and Criticism.

      [–]12th SS Panzer Division/ JG 7Tarnsman4Life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In their opinion, if you talk about cheats it gives idea to would-be cheaters to actually use them.

      I get what they are saying but the tone of the initial post was, lets not fix this, lets sweep it under the rug and get anyone who talks about this very serious issue in RB kicked off YouTube. That is not an ethical response for a problem within a game.

      [–]beltfedvendetta 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      In particular if you show a video of how well they perform

      For Gaijin, a video like that is unintended advertising for cheats.

      I don't see how. There have even been companies in the past that have asked for game footage or replays of potential cheaters for possible account termination or banning. Simply showing a cheater in a replay amounts to, frankly, fuckall. That is not advertisement. If anything, it's a public/community awareness message to let other players know what actual cheaters/hackers look like (instead of simply accusing anyone that's doing well).

      [–]1000€Milleuros 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It's also a video that shows roughly : "look how well that guy performs, that's so unfair."

      By showing would-be cheaters that such software exist in WT, it can give them the idea to do the same thing and/or the keywords needed to find what's already existing. As a proof, this thread (now deleted by mods) appeared yesterday when we were all talking about that.

      [–]beltfedvendetta 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's also a video that shows roughly : "look how well that guy performs, that's so unfair."

      ...And? Considering he's doing so via cheats, seeing what kind of things to look out for means you can more easily identify it and report it.

      By showing would-be cheaters that such software exist in WT

      They already know. Google "Counter-Strike hacks." I guarantee you one of the first page results will be to one of the pay-to-cheat hacker sites that offer software/cheats for DOZENS OF GAMES.

      I remember an article PC Gamer did last year of a hacker service site (no, they did not "advertise" the site or the hacks, but they did talk with the guys that ran it and the games that they offered paid cheats for) that specialized in Counter-Strike. Guess what one of the MULTITUDES of other games that they had hacks/cheats for was: War Thunder.

      Anyone that wants to cheat could find these places from a 5 second Google search that a toddler could type out. If they want to hack, they already know about it. If they don't know it exists, then they weren't too interested in hacking. If you think a single video of a replay showing what a guy using hacks is like is advertising them and giving players an idea to use them, I don't know what to tell you other than that's nonsense. That's like claiming terrorists are taking cues from Hollywood movies and any day now North Korean agents are going to be storming the White House re-enacting "Olympus Has Fallen."

      [–]Sanya-nya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      and any day now North Korean agents are going to be storming the White House re-enacting "Olympus Has Fallen."

      Now, now, don't give Kim ideas

      [–]"Rot 1 to all planes, time to hunt some wild dogs."skippythemoonrock 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It seems like Gaijin always does this, by making good changes people want to gain some positive PR before going full retard. Like seriously WTF. Tank RB is the only reason i play tanks, i never play arcade because of the stupid markers. Why do the WT devs hate WT so much?

      [–]_xXMockingBirdXx_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Poll is closed. It seems they're going to implement some different method for detecting cheater? Well, what's important to me is that RB won't be touched so I'm satisfied.

      [–]Westwick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I suspect they won't change anything at all. Cheating is not that big an issue for players and Gaijin are already good at managing it. All this drama was likely brought about from some other changes they wanted to make.

      [–]Injuratron 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We jinxed it by talking about how much improvements were being made

      [–]Whos_Insane 49ポイント50ポイント  (82子コメント)

      Wow never thought I'd see the day Magz says he is taking a long break. Really shows how shit War Thunder has gotten because of Gaijin's questionable fuck ups.

      [–]V--V--V--V--VEccentricWyvern 47ポイント48ポイント  (9子コメント)

      He's done this before though.

      [–]Il-10 can't into RP anymoreRailsmith 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Like, two or three times at this point. Pretty safe to say that whenever things take a bit of a downturn Magz steps off of War Thunder for a while.

      [–]Doesn't CirclejerkFlunkyMonkey123 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Mark my words, he will have a new Warthunder video immediately following patch 1.59....."Gggg'day mates, this is Warthunder with Magz"

      [–]Il-10 can't into RP anymoreRailsmith 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

      So regular you can set your clocks to it. but srsly magz chill out you react the same way for every perceived transgression

      [–]All Aircraft UnlockedMagz_TV 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Maybe not this time, Spent the day thinking about it. The game hasn't changed in three years. All the old problems are still here but worse, The new tanks and planes of 1.59 wont fix that.

      In the past when Gaijin has messed up I have said I will take a couple of weeks for them to fix there shit and each time I have taken a couple of weeks and Gaijin has fixed there shit. This time I don't even care if they fix it or not.

      Games still following the same road it has for several years with no sign of turning off for the better. And now Gaijin, A company that has a history of false take downs, censorship and blackmail when it comes to youtube just posted a pole where they literally held Realistic Ground Forces battles for ransom against getting community backing to strike content creators.

      Why would I come back?

      [–]Kikka is mah BabyJohnyCoombre 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Personally I think there's no better WT Youtuber and I think it's a great loss to the game's community. Despite my opinions, it's your channel and myself, along with all your other subscribers will stay with you.

      [–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To be fair, they did see the community's dislike of either option and are planning to go for a third option, which is beefier anti-cheat measures (resulting in potential latency problems and a slow down of other game development).

      So yes the poll was a bad idea, but it seems like they got the message.

      [–]Adamulos 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oryg1n, Ramjb, Grmlz and few more thought identically.

      [–]Zargabraath 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey, nothing wrong with taking a break! I took a break after the Last Man Standing debacle ruined RB and Sim tanks, and after Assault Fuse took a lot of the fun out of flying aircraft in those modes.

      But then Gaijin fixed those problems so I came back! If they didn't fix them I probably wouldn't come back.

      BTW great channel, keep it up!

      Ignore the people with annoying comments on the Subnautica videos saying whenever you miss something, I like the videos. I think Subnautica would be an amazing game in VR if it was implemented properly.

      [–]#LoveAllNationsAppleBerryPoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because you backed out the instant you saw the poll.

      [–]MasterraceoftheWehrmahtKelloPudgerro 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

      I came back after like 3 months of not playing,honestly, tanks are fucked and only planes are kinda playable,the balance in groundforces is laughable

      [–]ReallyObvious 17ポイント18ポイント  (11子コメント)

      I'm somewhat new to warthunder. I never understood why people said that tank balance sucked.

      Then I tried the American lineup (I previously played Russians). I made it to 6.3/6.7 before rage-quiting.

      [–]Wanhope 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Bingo, I moved from WoT to WT specifically for tanks and the massive imbalances that you can encounter at specific points in most nations just drives me insane.

      Plus all my friends quit sooo, I just shitpost while flying RB air these days :(

      [–]BaneWilliams -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Except these imbalances are still far better than the imbalances you could have in WoT. Most vehicles can pen most other vehicles regardless of imbalance.

      [–]Sanya-nya 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Most vehicles can pen most other vehicles regardless of imbalance.

      If you think that's not the case in WoT, then you are doing something horribly wrong. There are only a few exceptions to this and most of them are low tier (Pz I C vs. KV-1, maybe, or similar matchup).

      [–]BaneWilliams 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I've actually put more time into WoT than WT, and I can say that at some ranges, many tanks in WoT are impenetrable by other tanks if you get a bad matchup. Yes, it's mostly a problem early on, but there are still the same capabilities later on. In WT, there are probably only a couple of truly "hard to pen" tanks, but even these are possible to pen with just about anything, even from the front.

      [–]Sanya-nya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't think that it's a problem, though - that's the difference.

      For example you have Tiger I. That is said to be safe from M4 Sherman to range of about 200 m frontally (according to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/497taq/cool_chart_showing_when_a_tiger_can_penetrate_a/ ). So if you have a tank like Pz 38 nA, which has worse penetration capabilities than M4, it makes sense that without loading APCR you won't penetrate frontally even close range, IMO.

      Fixes? Make sure everything can pen everything? Won't that make the game kinda dull and armour useless?

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        [–]If its not broken, break it! - GaijinTocho98 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This so much. Ive got 640 hours played and i quit when they managed to ruin tank arcade, tank realistic AND tank sim in one patch. This is War Thunder not Call of Duty Gaijin wtf are you doing adding fucking killstreaks?!

        [–]chemicalex 8ポイント9ポイント  (57子コメント)

        Imo they've been pretty great lately. I suspect this is a small PR misstep (which from time to time they make) like the H8K being premium, which they graciously fixed in not too long.

        [–]V---V--V--V--IIIF8FBearcat 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

        This is just eeever so slightly bigger than just a premium plane. This is about either fucking up an entire game mode or going all The Holy Order of Gaijin's Inquisition on YouTubers. Just a teeny weeny bit bigger stakes, don't you think?

        [–]chemicalex 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Stakes are bigger, no doubt. But I have some faith they won't do either as both are not wise decisions and I don't think the community at large favors either of them. That said, for the poll VOTE TO KEEP RB MARKER FREE!

        here's a link to the russian forum so you can vote there as well: https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/185295-uvazhaemye-igroki-predpochitaiuschie-rezhim-rb-v-naz/

        [–]V---V--V--V--IIIF8FBearcat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I hold a tiny, tiny bit of faith inside me, just because they've been on a roll with listening to the community and making good changes lately (a few mistakes left there, nobody is perfect). But just the fact they'd introduce an ultimatum like this makes me question my faith in their team.. I mean, honestly, what are they setting out to accomplish? They don't have a good record with strikes on YT channels and considering what just one strike does to a channel.. it could kill War Thunder YouTube channels. And introducing markers in RB.. the community voted those out, if I remember correctly, and it's effectively handing hackers victory, giving everyone a "hack". I'm just scared what complications this will have.

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Issue isn't with the outcome - issue is with the fact that such poll was even allowed to exist.

        [–]chemicalex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I'm never going to object to Gaijin putting something to a vote of the player base, even if the options are stupid.

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Stockholm syndrome? :) Don't lower your standards for a company that makes the game you like.

        [–]chemicalex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'd rather have the choice of having a vote and not exercise it if I don't want to, than not having it. Gaijin is perfectly entitled to make these decisions without our input (however stupid that may be).

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I prefer to recognise when the given choice is non existent :) But I think at this point we both can agree to disagree!

        [–]Whos_Insane 37ポイント38ポイント  (48子コメント)

        This is different than an internal communications error. They are threatening to strike content creators which hurts their channel, for discussing an issue with the game. They are also proposing black and white ideas of either censorship or gamemode change. No other option available.

        [–]EnsoZero 14ポイント15ポイント  (16子コメント)

        It's abuse of the DMCA system plain and simple.

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Keep in mind, its not DMCA, its youtube strikes - no particular "laws" are being broken. You sign up to these when you join youtube.

        [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

        Except, those strikes are copyright strikes, and are in compliance with the DMCA. Which makes them de facto DMCA strikes.

        EDIT:

        YES IT IS A DMCA CLAIM!

        https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en

        https://www.youtube.com/copyright_complaint_form

        http://i.imgur.com/0aRngCE.png <- Right fucking here. Relevant portions highlighted in fabulous pink, or fuchsia, or whatever the fuck.

        And in case you miss them anyway because it's dark up your rectum:

        To submit a DMCA complaint, please complete the following required fields.

        I acknowledge that under Section 512(f) of the DMCA any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material or activity is infringing may be subject to liability for damages.

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Legally it does not. Youtube provides service on the basis that any registered content owner can strike you down. It does not invoke the DMCA and the minimal "abuse protection" it has. Youtube strikes have no abuse protection whatsoever.

        And in the end, legality is what matters. When the CEO of Gajin is insistent that discussion of cheating == advertising aimbots. and EULA > fair use, the only thing left is going to court. Unfortunately court will just throw your case out, there was no abuse from legal perspective.

        [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

        there was no abuse from legal perspective.

        It would be a violation of Fair Use. How is that not abuse? Oh, wait, we're pretending that because it happened on YouTube, through YouTube's systems, which are in compliance with DMCA, that it doesn't have legal relevance or consequence.

        Just because it's a video on YouTube doesn't mean that Fair Use doesn't apply or that you don't have legal protections from false copyright claims.

        [–]DaftWTPlayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Read up on EULA vs Fair use in the US.

        You sign up to a service that youtube provides for you, under condition of you accepting such strikes. Its not DMCA. Its like a guy says "you can play on my lawn and listen to any music, but if anyone comes around and says its bothering him - I'll kick you out". Nothing stops you from self-publishing your videos and THEN Gajin would have to use DMCA to take you down. But here you are in the youtube land - they set the rules, they have no obligation whatsoever to satisfy your Fair Use claims.

        [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

        Its not DMCA.

        Uh, yes it is. Those are copyright strikes, not EULA violation strikes. One is based on copyright law, the other doesn't exist and would be based on contractual law if it did. They could sue him or terminate his services, but they can't file a copyright claim.

        As for EULA vs Fair Use, it is currently controversial. What can and can not be legally enforced in a EULA is nebulous. Different courts, and even the same courts, are making different decisions. Some for, some against.

        [–]lordikioner 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Full support.

        [–]Waiting on the NAVYthegreatlordlucifer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        damn son

        [–]Hard it use is just a bad excuse for bad american BRs.Typhlosion130 35ポイント36ポイント  (57子コメント)

        Here's a TLDW on gaijins side.
        there's a poll. with 2 options.
        A: make markers act like AB so RB is essentally just AB.
        B: they will freely break the law by copy right STRIKING channels pointing out mods or people with illegal content. no matter hte context.

        basically Gaijin have become money whoring assholes. what with all these premium tanks that shouldn't' be premium. like the T29 and then this shit.

        My advice. leave war tunder.

        [–]Self proclaimed tow-cable guyVoxination 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

        This is already going on on the frontpage of here as well, pretty much everyone learned of it already, its spreading like wildfire right now.

        [–]Hard it use is just a bad excuse for bad american BRs.Typhlosion130 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Yea I know.

        Honestly. Right now. I feel gaijin needs a wake up call. we need a powerfull person in the community to rally together as much of a majority of war thunder players as possible. and get them to quit the game until gaijin fixes their shit.

        [–]Ich bin ein YouTuber!Hirumaru 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        We once elected an entire council with a direct line to Gaijin's ear.

        Remind me: how much good did that do?

        [–]gaugetx 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I see your point... to leave. I for one won't be leaving over this, yes RB should have NO markers, thats what makes it RB ffs. But the two choices they give us to pick from are kinda both out of wack. Im not understanding why there cant be some sort of anti-cheat thing. Lots of other games have them. Im sure none are %100 cheat free still, but im betting it helps somewhat. They like to point out they banned x# of cheats, the problem is that # is always tiny. 20 or 30....im never %100 certain if i see a cheater. Sometimes i feel %99.9 certain though. And it feels a little like maybe there's more cheaters then they like to admit too. I think if they were to get rid of ULQ we would see a lot less possible cheats. And it would be a lot more clear as to whom exactly is cheating.

        [–]Hard it use is just a bad excuse for bad american BRs.Typhlosion130 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        the problem with removing ULQ is the number of players on worse computers.... such as my self... I've tried settings above rock bottom... it doesn't go so well.

        [–]Castdeath97 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Wasn't the hack not involved with ULQ? I heard Phly did turn down the settings and saw that the shots they pulled weren't plausible even with ULQ.

        [–]Hard it use is just a bad excuse for bad american BRs.Typhlosion130 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        yea that too.

        [–]Ground forces veteranGIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Why would the T29 not be premium?

        [–]Aryan Grace from the Aryan Race-Malinovka- 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

        The American Heavy Tank line is lacking, even with the Super Pershing and T32, it's not as complete or even as competitive as the German Tiger II's or Russian IS's, the T-29 could have filled that gap. Like what the Super Hellcat could have done. Also this T-29 is not going to be for GE's, it's in a bundle, which is just insult to injury now. Also, this is America's 6th, yes 6th rank 4 premium. It has no place being a Premium right now, let alone in a fucking bundle.

        [–]Worldwide FameTrichechus_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wait, what's the fifth? There's the M26E1, M46 Tiger, M18 Super Hellcat, and the T28. I'm not at my computer right now so I can't check, but last I saw those were the only Tier IV U.S. ground forces premiums currently in game. That's still alot, but it won't make it 6.

        Edit: Forgot about the Pershing T99, probably because I never see the things on the battlefield, that would make it six U.S Tier IV premiums. Jesus christ...

        [–]quiquoqua 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        this is the first tank they announced for this patch, there might be more. anyway I think the most laking tier for americans is tier 3, there is nothing to counter the tiger 1, there are literally no 5.7 american tanks

        [–]supergauntlet -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I always figured the M26 would be 5.7 or something. The 90mm gun on that is pretty comparable to the Tiger I's 88, and it has IIRC worse armor than the Tiger I but better maneuverability.

        I don't play American tanks anymore though, so I could be wrong.

        [–]Ground forces veteranGIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Which gap? The Super Pershing and T32 are quite similar, I don't know what could fill the gap.

        Consider also the possible addition of the T30, T34 and T32E1 to the regular tree.

        [–]=TITAN= Tony_Spark (AIR)V|V|V|V|IV (ARMY)V|V|V|Vsrust21 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        gap between jumbos at ~5.0 and the pershing/t32 at 6.7 and 7.3 that's a 2 br difference

        [–]-GSqd- CrocodileTearsMankeyManksyo 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The US didn't believe in heavy tank doctrine?

        [–]=TITAN= Tony_Spark (AIR)V|V|V|V|IV (ARMY)V|V|V|Vsrust21 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Not really, they believed in having reliable cheap tanks that could be easily produced. The m6a1 was going to be the US's heavy but it was abandoned and almost non went to Europe. As for the game there is a need for tanks in this BR range that don't seriously suck

        [–]"Hey guys check out this cheat" ~PhlyDailyDarthCloakedGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I don't think even a single M6A1 went to Europe. The reason the project was abandoned, IIRC, was because there wasn't any viable way at the time to land them on the beaches.

        [–]Hard it use is just a bad excuse for bad american BRs.Typhlosion130 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lets see... the only good heavy tank Americans have is the 105... there's absolutely no reason to make it premium. gaijin is rolling in enough money as it is. and considering their recent releases. we have gotten about 3 or 4 NON preimum vehicles. compared to the over 12 now I think new PREMIUMS in the last few patches.

        [–]F-86 pilotSakura48 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        How about watching the situation with open mind and analysis all the options instead of whining like a child?

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          [–]Cplblue 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Pbbbt. I don't know why people care so much if a youtuber is taking a break. People are blowing this way out of proportion. SB GF got neutered to just events and I still prefer that over RB GF. If you like the game, play it. So much unneeded drama.

          [–]-GSqd- japesjapeslol -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Pretty much this. Today is also the first day I've taken shots from someone I believe to be cheating in SB - they're only advertising it.

          This was a completely pointless video that serves no purpose other than trying to attract attention by blowing something out of proportion. The change isn't even happening. The entire last half of it was just drawn out cringe.

          [–]maxout2142 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I'm honestly surprised that they would go as far and have the nerve to publish such a poll. It's quite literally threatening to either have Community compliance or ruin a game mode via the developer.

          [–]Bringer of Hawker HunterCrag_r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          PR has never been their strong point...

          [–]quiquoqua -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

          what would be a third option ?

          [–]maxout2142 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not have the poll at all and not threaten censorship.

          [–]KommandantKriegJagdpanzerr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          break gamemode or break youtube are the options for the poll.

          [–]12th SS Panzer Division/ JG 7Tarnsman4Life 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I am very very disappointed in the whole thought process, it was really telling. "Lets destroy the YouTube channels of people who expose this problem of cheat software being used in GF-RB, instead of fixing it" and "OH if you don't want us doing that, lets pick up our toys, go home like spoiled kids and ruin the whole RB mode for good".

          Full On Retard

          [–]Flank, you fools.Baron_Tiberius 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I didn't know that's how this kind of DMCA "strike" worked, that's harsh indeed. I don't know why they though offering a poll with two non-exclusive options was a good idea.

          [–]Retired from WTEruantienAduialdraug 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah, DMCA strikes are no laughing matter, it's why a lot of established AMV channels are on their third or fourth incarnation. As for the second point, cue flippancy, Gaijin sekrit dokuments say that silly capitalist pig dogs dislike too much choise, melts tiny western brain like so much Siberian ice in sauna, we must be nice to player base and give them a symple choice of two things comrad.

          [–]V|V|V|V|VRanaktheGreen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          While stated by youtube the strikes are only for copyright, legally there is nothing preventing a company from offering a deal to a youtube channel where they are allowed to do certain things, and cannot do other things, under punishment of getting striked. How this would work in court? Gaijin would bring up how by violating the terms of the EULA (which includes the youtube license) Phly's videos are no longer allowed, and thusly contained unauthorized heavy use of someone else's intellectual property i.e. copyright. Gaijin didn't even really need to include the fact that a youtube video would be striked. It really is just an if/then statement, with the terms clearly and in plain english spelled out for everyone. As far as contracts go, Gaijin's EULA is actualy pretty nice.

          [–]Japanese CompletionFeeble_to_face 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Does anybody have the link to Phlys video?

          [–]luukg2 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I have, but it's private. Idk if you still want it.

          [–]Japanese CompletionFeeble_to_face -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I would appreciate it yes.

          [–]luukg2 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

          This is the link to the privated video

          [–]Japanese CompletionFeeble_to_face -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

          damn, it didnt work. I was gonna try to use a youtube ripping website to get the raw files from it. Oh well... worth the shot

          [–]Westwick 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Seen it. Nothing extraordinary about it.

          He shows a replay of some guy sniping from a forest, making shots that were obviously using a wallhack.

          At no point does he promote or advertise cheating as Gaijin would have you believe.

          The fact they are trying to censor such material is incredibly naive, or plain stupid. We all know hacks exist for games. Censoring it makes a miniscule, almost immeasurable difference to the amount of cheaters in game. A very noticeable effect that happens immediately is that they outrage and lose many customers in the process.

          What's worse is that they would abuse the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to issue a Strike to youtubers and force them to take down videos when there has been no violation of copyright law at all. A youtube strike has severe impact on how a channel owner can manage and share videos. Three strikes and you lose your account entirely.

          Gaijin (most likely the actions of the CEO) have been completely out of line with this issue. Expect an appropriate response from community spokespersons.

          [–]Stop ruining SB GFDortmunder1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Can strikes not be contested and removed?

          Basically make it like they never happened? Seems like it's not legal for them to do what they are saying, unless they do it to ALL Youtube videos of War Thunder.

          Phly and other Youtubers should just make a separate channel for posting taboo WT info such as cheats.

          [–]Westwick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          From accounts I have read and heard, it is very difficult for content creators to contest a strike compared with how easy it is to receive one.

          It's how youtube protects itself from litigation, by giving the benefit of the doubt to the accuser.

          In instances where a strike is removed, the relevance and impact of the video is often all but lost. Say it takes you a month to have a video/account restored. In that time viewers have probably lost interest and your video is obsolete.

          Here's an interesting place to start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-O7WANBW_Y

          [–]-GSqd- japesjapeslol 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          The number of ridiculously unfounded comments on this video is disgusting. People claiming the game has changed already and they're now versing tanks outside BR spread and all sorts of other bullshit.

          A completely pointless attention seeking video that was late to the bandwagon - I guess the quality of past content dictates that nothing more can be expected, though.

          [–]Meme master, master of memes.TinyTinyDwarf 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          People claiming the game has changed already and they're now versing tanks outside BR spread and all sorts of other bullshit.

          What?

          A completely pointless attention seeking video that was late to the bandwagon

          Attention seeking? I think not, After all. I asked for his opinion

          Pointless? Depends. He is showing his distaste for Gaijin idiotic poll. This is a protest. I personally don't find it pointless, to each his own.

          I guess the quality of past content dictates that nothing more can be expected, though.

          What do you mean by this? I believe the quality of his content hasn't been better. It's true that he was decreasing the amount of War Thunder videos, but that was to be expected. No one can play a game forever and expect to enjoy it as much. Magz just happen to decrease the vids because he didn't enjoy the game anymore, thus decreasing the amount of replays he has.

          [–]-GSqd- japesjapeslol 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          What?

          Read the comments section (Youtube) of the video. There's multiple instances of it.

          What do you mean by this? I believe the quality of his content hasn't been better.

          The recent LMS video that he defended until he pulled it offline that was basically entirely misinformation and drama stirring.

          [–]Meme master, master of memes.TinyTinyDwarf -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The recent LMS video that he defended until he pulled it offline that was basically entirely misinformation and drama stirring.

          The error in that video was corrected by him. I never noticed it actually disappearing. It didn't create drama. Drama was already created long before that video. He only repeated what everyone has said, and confirmed it.

          And his video was probably a bigger contributor of the removal of LMS than anyone on this subreddit. Because albeit Anton might visit us, he clearly don't care about our opinions.

          [–]-GSqd- japesjapeslol 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Some errors were corrected, but there were multiple. There were annotations added about his misinformation regarding LMS in arcade, but there was a slew of other incorrect remarks such as how crew swapping mechanics worked when down crew etc. that were grossely incorrect but fit his attempted "whack-a-mole" narrative nicely. Was removed by the creator a few days later.

          Because albeit Anton might visit us, he clearly don't care about our opinions.

          I'm not going to speak for him, but the fact that he visits and comments here means he probably does. I'd dare to say he cares more about general public opinion in /r/warthunder than a small time Youtuber that's lucky to put out more than one video a month that's relevant to the game.

          [–]owner of a 3 inch guncaptain_blackadder 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Nobody expects the Belorussian inquisition.

          [–]Turrets are for the weaktheLV2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Holy shit I knew Gaijin were dumb but I didn't know they were such retards. Are they drinking Vodka made from potatoes that grow in Pripyat?

          People should have boycotted the vote. Perhaps they're used to living under Putin's bear fist but we're not.

          [–]When I Kikka your ass, expect Zero mercy.I_Love_GTR 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I want to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. After years of abuse and terrible PR from Gaijin I really don't care anymore.

          I'm seriously convinced Gaijin is the most stupid, out of touch, incompetent, delusional closed loop of any game company I've ever seen. I'm not even mad, I'm just tired. This was one of my favorite games, I've got 1600 hours and 7000+ missions, but I just can't do it anymore. They're taking a great game and running it into the ground every time they open their mouths. Then they release some shiny new vehicles and everyone forgives them.

          If you're reading this Anton, which I highly doubt because your guys only ever come here when you're trying to put a band-aid on one of your many fuck-ups, I've given you so many chances but you prove every fucking time that you're a bunch of incompetent morons. You took a game with so much potential and ran it into the ground because your heads are so far up your own asses that you can't see how stupid your design decisions are. All the artistic talent Gaijin has and the potential for a standout game in this genre is completely wasted on you. I'm convinced your management team is a bunch of monkeys throwing around flaming piles of shit.

          [–]CEOAntonYudintsev 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

          You took a game with so much potential and ran it into the ground because your heads are so far up your own asses that you can't see how stupid your design decisions are.

          We hadn't "took" that game. We made it, from the scratch.

          And we hadn't made any new decision except for discussing situation with community. I agree that it was stupid, based on comment like yours.

          [–]When I Kikka your ass, expect Zero mercy.I_Love_GTR 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          We hadn't "took" that game.

          That's not what I said. Maybe it didn't translate, but I meant that you own the game. Not that you inherited or took it.

          I've been defending you guys for years, I've spent hundreds of dollars on War Thunder, but you just make one terrible decision after another (assault fuse, mixed RB, limiting sim to events, compressing tank BRs, ridiculous repair prices on Japanese planes, horribly over tiered jets like the Meteor Mk3 at 8.0) and you never seem to learn. The community cries out and you either ignore us, tell us that we (the players of your game) don't know what we're talking about and implement it anyway, or you make up some reason as to why you did it.

          [–]CEOAntonYudintsev 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That's not what I said. Maybe it didn't translate, but I meant that you own the game. Not that you inherited or took it.

          Actually, that is exactly what you said.

          but you just make one terrible decision after another (assault fuse, mixed RB, limiting sim to events, compressing tank BRs, ridiculous repair prices on Japanese planes, horribly over tiered jets like the Meteor Mk3 at 8.0) and you never seem to learn.

          There will always be some decisions that someone doesn't like. Why don't you mention: "removing markers from RB GF" or "removing assault fuse" (you actually even mentioning the opposite, which mean we don't learn, so it kinda strange)? I can make more examples but these two are very relevant, because somehow it was bad "decision" to add assault fuse, and it would be bad decision to re-add markers to GF RB (although 40% of community like the idea), and we never learn, etc, but removing markers or assault fuse were not good decisions.

          Also, in this very moment there were no any new decisions made, at all.

          [–]Because playing good tanks is overratedDanjiano 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Actually, that is exactly what you said.

          Clearly it didn't translate well then. He never claimed you took the game from somewhere else. At no point in his comment did he suggest you did not create the game from scratch.

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            [–]Sea Venom = The new F2H2CrazyJay117 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            where is that phly video you know to see how bad war thunder is flipping out

            [–]Gyureee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Does anyone have a link to Phlys video? Im curoius to see it.

            [–]Japanese CompletionFeeble_to_face 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            This just in. Orange said there were no hacks. GG. He said he didnt even see the video.

            [–]5 5 5 4 5myanusisbleeding101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            where did he say that i can't find it.

            [–]Japanese CompletionFeeble_to_face 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            the live stream. right near the beginning. about 5 minutes in.

            [–]LETS MAKE WARTHUNDER GREAT AGAINYuktobania 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Where can I see the Phly video that was referenced in the post?

            [–]V|V|V|V|VRanaktheGreen -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

            My comment on the matter:

            TL:DR Phly fucked up, and Gaijin is actually going above and beyond.

            First off: Have a good break.

            DISCLAIMER: I AM UNABLE TO SEE PHLY'S VIDEO.

            Secondly: It is mentioned that Phly is under contract and that this violates a contract, and the agreed upon punishment by both parties (Gaijin who drafted the contract, and Phly who agreed to it). So regardless of what YOUTUBE says strikes are for, if two parties who operate legally within youtube decided they want to use its features for a different purpose, that is not abusing the strikes. So really, Gaijin didn't need to have the vote at all. They could've just dinged Phly's channel and moved on. So, this is actually surprisingly generous of Gaijin, even though the choices may read poorly, what option 1 is saying "We enforce our contract as written for those who have agreed to our contract (this last bit is gathered from the "according to our license", if you are not apart of their licence this does not affect you). The license (which is apart of the EULA, so I hope someone trying to make money off a game) states "development of software [...] with use of materials of the game 'WAR THUNDER' is prohibited." So this means those cheats are illegal. In the EULA itself: 1.6 Prohibited Uses a. "Engage in any act gaijin deems in its reasonable discretion to be in conflict with the spirit of intended use of the product [...] including but not limited to manipulated [...] game mechanics". Advertising a cheat exists (I am unsure if he shows where to get it from, but if he did that is a HUGE no-no) prompts people to go looking for it, which is certainly in conflict with the games desire to not have its game mechanics manipulated. By the way, violating a EULA is the same a violating a contract legally speaking (here in the US) so that means that by creating or advertising cheats you ALSO violate 1.6 c: "Use the Product, intentionally or unintentionally, in connection with any violation of any applicable law or regulation, or do anything that PROMOTES the violation of any applicable law or regulation" (emphasis added). In order to show the cheat, did Phly use it himself? I do not know, but if he did it is in violation of 1.6 d "cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks, mods, or any unauthorized 3rd party software".

            So, does it suck? Yeah, yeah it does. But we cannot blame Gaijin here, they are going above and beyond what their contract says to attempt to ensure the most number of people are happy as can be... for once. If they were acting by their contract Phly would have been stuck immediately, and he would have never been allowed to post another youtube video again! If y'all as youtubers are unable to work within the confines of a EULA you agreed to, then you shouldn't have agreed to the EULA! Honestly? This is on Phly. No one else. He attempted to fight the system to get Gaijin to fix some cheat, and he lost. It was a stupid move on his part, and blaming Gaijin for giving you the choice of them enacting their EULA or to instead try to work something out shows a gross misunderstanding of what is in the EULA.

            [–]4--4 --4 - 4 --4Labi11 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Also important to Note: Gaijin didn't strike Phyl ! They explained the situation to him and asked him to remove the video by himself, and he did. Gaijin getting a lot more shit then they deserve right now. And all the drama is a very childish behavior.

            [–]Kroas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So what would it mean to youtube that Gaijin effectively admits that they will abuse a legal claim system.....

            [–]Elitist Sim Bastard0nn0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What if I hosted such videos on my own webspace. Gaijin would have a pretty hard time fighting those, LOL.

            Gaijin is entirely basing this on the fact that youtube is a US based site and as such US legal doctrine is applicable. If we as a community were to switch to an EU site, this wouldn't fly. (unless the hoster caved)

            [–]_xXMockingBirdXx_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            So it seems the poll has been closed and the dev has given his answer about what he's gonna do next. I'm kinda curious, how satisfied are people with his answer/method?

            [–]Westwick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not at all, but there was never any expectation of anything more.

            It has been a mockery of the players and customers intelligence.

            Most people won't care about this aspect because they only want to play a game and won't bother to protect it. However they would care if we did not provide such resistance and the game they enjoy was dismantled.

            [–]GSqdBudikah -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I love how the top voted option is clearly "abuse content ID for censorship/fuck people over".

            War Thunder community is a bunch of fucking cucks.

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