While coming across information concerning Charles Darwin, I was reminded of Jive Turkey’s article Could MGTOW be the Catalyst that Sparks a New Renaissance? Wherein he expounds the notion that some of history’s greatest discoverers where men unburdened by women or societal expectations and how the stereotype of the basement-dwelling-virgin-loser shames men away from pursuing what fascinates them.
Darwin’s weighing the pros and cons of marriage illustrates not only the limiting effect obligation to a woman has on genius but also the serious life-altering decision men know they face when contemplating marriage. He jotted down a rough list of points in which he notes what he thinks he can gain and what he thinks he can lose from marriage.
Here is a reproduction of his notes followed by my comments thereon:
This is the question
Marry
Children — (if it Please God) — Constant companion, (& friend in old age) who will feel interested in one, — object to be beloved & played with. —better than a dog anyhow. — Home, & someone to take care of house — Charms of music & female chit-chat. — These things good for one’s health. — Forced to visit & receive relations but terrible loss of time. —
W My God, it is intolerable to think of spending ones whole life, like a neuter bee, working, working, & nothing after all. — No, no won’t do. — Imagine living all one’s day solitarily in smoky dirty London House. — Only picture to yourself a nice soft wife on a sofa with good fire, & books & music perhaps — Compare this vision with the dingy reality of Grt. Marlbro’ St.
Marry — Marry — Marry Q.E.D.
Not Marry
No children, (no second life), no one to care for one in old age.— What is the use of working ‘in‘ without sympathy from near & dear friends—who are near & dear friends to the old, except relatives
Freedom to go where one liked — choice of Society & little of it. — Conversation of clever men at clubs — Not forced to visit relatives, & to bend in every trifle. — to have the expense & anxiety of children — perhaps quarelling — Loss of time. — cannot read in the Evenings — fatness & idleness — Anxiety & responsibility — less money for books &c — if many children forced to gain one’s bread. — (But then it is very bad for ones health to work too much)
Perhaps my wife wont like London; then the sentence is banishment & degradation into indolent, idle fool —
It being proved necessary to Marry
When? Soon or Late
The Governor says soon for otherwise bad if one has children — one’s character is more flexible —one’s feelings more lively & if one does not marry soon, one misses so much good pure happiness. —
But then if I married tomorrow: there would be an infinity of trouble & expense in getting & furnishing a house, —fighting about no Society —morning calls — awkwardness —loss of time every day. (without one’s wife was an angel, & made one keep industrious). — Then how should I manage all my business if I were obliged to go every day walking with one’s my wife. — Eheu!! I never should know French, — or see the Continent — or go to America, or go up in a Balloon, or take solitary trip in Wales — poor slave. — you will be worse than a negro — And then horrid poverty, (without one’s wife was better than an angel & had money) — Never mind my boy — Cheer up — One cannot live this solitary life, with groggy old age, friendless & cold, & childless staring one in ones face, already beginning to wrinkle. — Never mind, trust to chance —keep a sharp look out — There is many a happy slave —
First, we see the ultimate biological drive influencing Darwin’s thinking: the need for posterity. Men who wish to reproduce (until exogenesis is available) must consort with a woman. Darwin knows this and is also aware of “the expense & anxiety of children”. In fact, he knows that raising children necessitates youthful vigor “The Governor says soon for otherwise bad if one has children”, which he would rather expend on his research. Children also demand financial burden “if many children forced to gain one’s bread. (But then it is very bad for ones health to work too much)” which is echoed perfectly in Jive Turkey’s observation “How many gifted and talented men are working crappy menial jobs because they got hooked up with a woman, had kids, and had to take the safer, less risky route.” But Darwin couldn’t ignore his survival instinct “No children, (no second life), no one to care for one in old age”. Hints of his own mortality rationalizes his decision “One cannot live this solitary life, with groggy old age, friendless & cold, & childless staring one in ones face, already beginning to wrinkle.” This is the biggest pitfall in a man’s life: the struggle against Concupiscence. How many men have been ruined by the pussy? The human desire to raise children places men at the greatest risk.
Darwin expresses the importance he places on his freedom: he doesn’t want to be forced to do anything that would constrain him like visiting relatives and dealing with Society which means the public appearances and meeting with others organized by upper-class women for the purpose of maintaining the hierarchy. Darwin would rather read books and prosper in knowledge through “Conversation of clever men at clubs”. The “Freedom to go where one liked” is not to be ignored by young men who need to understand that marriage (and even mere cohabitation) brings out the authoritarian streak in women and the loss of freedom is quite real “poor slave. – you will be worse than a negro” because a husband simply does not have the right to disagree, he must simply “bend in every trifle” and avoid quarreling.
Darwin noticed how women cost men money “there would be an infinity of trouble & expense in getting & furnishing a house” because, as we all know, women demand a house and yet, when men have to work to pay for everything a woman wants, she complains that he’s never there paying attention to her “how should I manage all my business if I were obliged to go every day walking with one’s my wife”. Instead of spending the money one earns on one’s interests and expanding one’s mind, married men become the workhorses and ATMs of their wives; Darwin even complains that he would have “less money for books”. How depressing it would be to calculate all the wasted potential and self-improvement men must flush down the gynocentrist toilet. He even worries about how he “never should know French, — or see the Continent — or go to America, or go up in a Balloon, or take solitary trip in Wales” because, as Jive Turkey quotes Tom Leykis, women are dream killers.
The list poignantly reveals Darwin’s fear of loneliness “Constant companion, (& friend in old age) who will feel interested in one”. This reminds us of Stardusk’s Male Mother Need, in that men dream of a pedestalized woman who will elevate them beyond the depths of pathetic middle-aged bachelorhood “Imagine living all one’s day solitary in smoky dirty London House. Only picture to yourself a nice soft wife on a sofa with good fire, & books & music perhaps. Compare this vision with the dingy reality of Grt. Marlbro’ St.” Darwin’s vision is exactly that: a hazy mind-mirage that men need to believe in to make life tolerable, “My God, it is intolerable to think of spending ones whole life, like a neuter bee, working, working, & nothing after all. No, no won’t do.”, he suffers from the same existential angst as the rest of us and wonders what the point of obeying an inherently hostile system is if not for some higher purpose. Given the biological imperative, this higher purpose must be anthropomorphized as a female goddess; the picture of a nice, soft wife… But as he who has swallowed that bitter red pill knows: that picture is an illusion.
He admits that marriage is a losing proposition and tries to console himself “never mind, trust to chance —keep a sharp look out — There is many a happy slave —” but in all fairness, Darwin lived at a time and place where people simply got married and could hardly go against the grain. Like so many other men, he tried to make the best of his situation “Never mind my boy — Cheer up” at least a wife is “better than a dog”. Although Darwin, a man who studied animals all his life, must have know that dogs are loyal…
If only Darwin could have met Einstein and adopted the latter’s attitude as evidenced by his marriage contract proposal to his first wife Mileva Maric:
CONDITIONS
A. You will make sure:
1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order;
2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room;
3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only.
B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically, You will forego:
1. my sitting at home with you;
2. my going out or travelling with you.
C. You will obey the following points in your relations with me:
1. you will not expect any intimacy from me, nor will you reproach me in any way;
2. you will stop talking to me if I request it;
3. you will leave my bedroom or study immediately without protest if I request it.
D. You will undertake not to belittle me in front of our children, either through words or behavior.
Only the fittest survive, and you PigTow’s call crysturbate yourselves to sleep….
Only a goddess womyn knows what it is like to have a life growing inside her and know that she can abort “it” at any time for the shigs and gittles.
You stupid men are just as useless as a flower blowing it’s pollen into the air. That’s all it is with you boys, a penis measuring contest. Get over it, womyn are the superior half of the species….
“Only a goddess womyn knows what it is ……..”
BRUHAHAHAHAH
An internet cockroach thinks she is a goddess. hahaha.
If women are goddesses than I guess chimpanzees are all Zeus!
Einstein was a fucking genius. That is hilarious if true!
It is: http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/06/arts/dark-side-of-einstein-emerges-in-his-letters.html?pagewanted=all
Darwin lists ‘constant companion’ as an advantage, but we know today with women’s tendency to engage in extramarital affairs, cuckoldry, their jests of men in the company of other females and their inability to really have any sort of feelings for a male outside of consideration as a provider or sperm donor that is false.
Gaining a companion and adopting additional responsibility are two different things. The only valid point he may have listed in consorting with a female in marriage is children but even then this arguable due to the simple fact marriage and reproduction are not synonymous. We can easily see the truth of this in the cases of thugs, riff raff and other degenerates that go about adopting an r-style of breeding and they also tend to produce more offspring than someone like Darwin would.
It really is best to go your own way.
“their jests of men in the company of other females” That’s Einstein’s final demand, especially in front of his children.
If By some chance there is another Karen Straughn out there I would certainly consider marriage or at least a life long relationship. But as Karen is one in a million I doubt there’s a woman like her waiting just round the corner. Therefor a lonely life I expect this to be, but better this than the risks I would otherwise take.
I would never give any woman that level of control over my life.
No female’s presence can compensate for what is essentially legal and social slavery. Do not fall victim to NAWALT beliefs.
Besides, last I checked Karen left the father of her two children and shacked up with another male. Any woman incapable of either staying or exercising the judgement to choose a man that would stay around is obviously not as angelic as you believe. Furthermore why would you want to take on the responsibility of another man’s offspring?
http://www.purplemotes.net/2015/10/25/nawalt-refuted-all-women-unfaithful/
Great and insightful article. I definitely cut Darwin a lot of slack knowing the period in which he lived. Being Red Pill after marraige, I recall the years of deliberation I went through because the urge to reproduce was irresistible. Having a wife today is anywhere between supporting a child to supporting a teenager. The way I stay sane is having set some clear ground rules in words but especially in deeds (to quote Paul Proteus, don’t SAY no, DO no) and I throw money at the problem as well. I outsource tasks that cause stress or would otherwise become a time suck.
The next piece is to stop digging further in debt and pay off ALL debts. No mortgages, student loans, credit cards, etc. It’s not easy, but it is possible. Before any of this comes health. This includes diets, exercise, preventive maintenance. This helps (especially) the married man maximize the little energy he has left after a day of being the family mule.
Another critical piece, as written, is time for yourself as a man. Time to expand your mind, time for your interests and hobbies. Even time to explore random $#!+. I make sure I have an hour of this per work day. On the weekend, I steal all the time I can. My best schemes have been hatched between 11pm and 2am so I will often stay up through that period on the weekend if I’m flowing.
I’m counting down to when my kids are both adults so I can downsize even more.
IDK. I still may decide to have a kid or two someday, but for now, making money, exploring/learning and sharing ideas are more important to me. I can have it all! (That sounds eerily familiar)
There’s no rush for us guys to settle down early if we keep ourselves healthy enough to chase those little rugrats around when we’re in our late 30s/early 40s. By then, we’d have amassed enough information and experience to make us better fathers and partners anyway. Hopefully we’d also have made enough money to not be FORCED to be a wage slave.
It’s all about power, wealth and control and which gender will wield it – and women’s groups have proven that they’ll do anything to make sure that women not only hold life destroying power over men – but will also ensure the steady increase of that power over men with each year that passes. As more and more men wisely decide to remain free of the most anti-male contract ever invented – what we foolishly call marriage (slavery for men) – laws and policies (i.e., VAWA, Affirmative Consent, Title IX) will change or be added to force as much wealth and power from men to women as possible – giving women ever increasing power to destroy men’s lives – the thrust of which has already been going on for many decades. In many Westernized countries, merely living with a woman for a relatively brief period can give women the same rights to asset division, alimony and child support that their married counterparts so enjoy (see ‘de facto marriage’, ‘de facto relationship’, and ‘cohabitation rights bill’).
Marriage has long been obsolete for men. The NAWL (National Association of Women Lawyers) wrote the no-fault divorce law, first introduced by Reagan in California, with one intention: To allow women to dispose of their husbands while simultaneously giving them the power to keep their X husbands current and future assets and income. NAWL heralds this legislation as their greatest achievement for women. Since that time, trillions of dollars have been forcefully transferred via state enforced theft from men to women – resulting in many a man’s suicidal death.
It’s ridiculous to expect men to counter the feminist nightmare. Any serious attempt at doing so will land you in jail/prison and leave you unemployable for life – essentially forcing you into homelessness, starvation, rape and beatings, early death and/or suicide; hence the intense efforts and wins by feminists to criminalize criticism of feminism. Affirmative Consent is a chilling attempt by women’s groups to remove men’s rights to presumption of innocence and due process. That’s insanity – but it’s just one more example of the desire of organizations like NOW (National Organization of Women) to silence men’s voices and forcefully transfer power, wealth and control from men to women. In reality, it’s all organized, legalized theft. It’s all so very obvious – yet deprogramming men from decades of misandric social engineering – in most cases – is a kin to brain surgery. What’s more, thanks to gynocentric mandates, most men prevent other men from seeing the truth, thereby enabling the destruction of men through feminist ideology, anti-male policies and laws. The Istanbul Convention, spreading like wildfire across the EU – criminalizes anti-feminism and goes further to mandate that men – by force of law – support feminism through their thoughts, finances and actions in everyday life.
Never give a woman the ring of power – or any significant legal power over your life – lest that power be used and abused to destroy your life and future. Every year, hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of men – in the US alone – learn this lesson too late . Every year – tens upon tens of thousands of men commit suicide as a result.
Darwin is old hat. MGTOW now rule supreme. MGTOW is Darwin 2.0. Smart men won’t leave any progeny for their X wives to confiscate nor wealth to transfer through anti-male laws to themselves – leaving women in increasingly dire straights. Nothing could possibly bring me more joy.
“The Istanbul Convention, spreading like wildfire across the EU – criminalizes anti-feminism and goes further to mandate that men – by force of law – support feminism through their thoughts, finances and actions in everyday life.”
Jesus Christ. I’m surprised that the marriage and birth rates are not exactly zero right now with all of these shenanigans. The only men that are getting married these days are the clueless ignoramuses, fools and the reckless. With a 50% and greater divorce rate (and how many of the marriages that remain intact are truly happy situations for the man?), marriage is a setup for dooming men.
What is it that women’s groups and white knights most depend upon? That’s an easy one: Cheap, disposable male lives and cultural misandry. Western nations can’t survive without a constant supply of outsourced birth. Did you ever ask yourself, “What happens when the outsourced birth rate of cheap, disposable, culturally hated supply of male lives runs dry?” I did. Here it is – playing out before your very eyes!
Behold the power of man-hating women’s groups and their man-hating white knights. Here’s the future of the world and why feminists and white knights will bring nothing but death and destruction to themselves:
https://themalefactor.com/2016/05/29/an-open-letter-to-maneka-gandhi-from-a-disgusted-indian-man-on-national-policy-for-women-2016/
Feminism is spreading like a cancer the globe over. I cannot overstate my joy that things are going exactly as I anticipated. The import of cheap, disposable, culturally hated slave men will ironically be ended by man hating femicunts and their ever-to-eager-to-appease white knights. The irony is pure bliss.
Fuck feminists and the white knights that kiss their asses. The outsourced birth and low wage enslavement of men to third world nations – for import by man-hating white knights and man-hating women’s groups – will soon be the death of the same. I find nothing – and I mean nothing – more appealing. I only hope their deaths are so severe and pain filled that the men who so needlessly and foolishly sacrificed their lives for the same man-hating women and white knights have an afterlife in which to receive justice. In other words – I hope these men – and in many cases boys – rise from the dead to spit on the decaying corpses of feminists and their white knight enablers.