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[–]NotANestleShill -108ポイント-107ポイント  (81子コメント)

Mod there, and the mod in question. We recently announced new rules to get rid of witchhunts, speculation, and theories in an effort to clean up the subreddit. Most of the subreddit at that point was one of the three, and people weren't happy because they felt we were being unfair and blowing this out of proportion (we weren't, people were getting harassed in real life, even the families of the victims). We created a subreddit for theories and speculation, /r/theoryOfMaM.

[–]ProfoundlyProfound 77ポイント78ポイント  (67子コメント)

Yeah except that isn't what really happened is it Shill? There was no drama before you came, there were no issues before you came, then all of a sudden here you are making a bullshit case for bullshit changes. There were no witchhunts and there was no need to clean up the sub. It was fine. Nobody from that subreddit was harassing anyone in real life, so don't even try that bullshit. Events occurred on a different social media, not related to Reddit or the members or content of the MaM sub. Don't even try to tie that bullshit in with the MaM sub or reddit because just didn't happen here.

You did what you did for your own selfish reasons and you damn well know it. Last time you got caught being this much of a twat, your own real life buddies laughed at you until you had to go into hiding and change your account.

To cap it all off I complain to Spez in an AMA about the behavior of clowns like you without specifically naming you and your ignorant ass bans me for calling for harassment of a mod, which is so unbelievably preposterous.

Here's the kicker kid, i erased 6 months worth of posts from that sub and abandoned ship long before you banned me due to your ego being bruised in that AMA. You accomplished precisely jack shit, and the fact that you have to go on a damage control spree is evidence of just how much of a piece of shit you really are. Spez pretty much told you he's gong to make changes to eliminate fucks like you. Justice is coming.

[–]mckinley72 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell me about it, same thing on /r/nottheonion ; dude just loves controlling/banning/removing whenever/whatever he can... he's a toxic mod.

Edit: the conspiracist in me finds it interesting he's 1/31 mods on /r/gallowboob (all these super redditors with relatively sudden SUPER control...)

[–]jbrenthenson 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oooooh...Reddit drama

[–]NogardDerorrim 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I came for the AMA. I stayed for the delicious popcorn!

[–]purpleslug 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's nothing quite like it on a Friday (nearly Saturday) night.

[–]Bandit_Queen 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't watch the show nor am I on any side. But after reading some of the comments here, I want to ask you something about a petty dispute. Can you honestly tell us, hand on heart, that you didn't indeed say anything about billable hours as mentioned here?

[–]AConanDoyle 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point you seem to be missing is that a central theme of the MAM subreddit was abuse of authority, censorship, creating a false reality by obfuscation, coercion and distortion of reality to fit a hidden purpose.

In some sense you brought the issue shockingly close to home for hundreds of readers who were appalled by a perceived miscarriage of justice and were searching for simply the truth.

Your bombastic and deriding postings, false accusations of witch hunting doxing and other inaccurate and frankly inflammatory claims combined with deletion of strong investigation created both a ghost town out of a once empowered subreddit and a stonger sense of purpose to those you attacked, banned and derided in your commentary.

In closing you may be surprised to learn that I thank you and your fellow conspirators for destroying a once strong "hive" of unpaid truth seekers looking for true justice, you gave everyone a very small taste of what it feels like to be a victim of unbridled power and vengeful retribution. It is a lesson that should not be forgotten and likely will not by those who were victimized by this subterfuge, deception purposeful hidden agenda destruction of honest and insightful subreddit dedicating to exposing true injustice

Thanks NotANetstleShill your actions have forged an even stronger subreddit TICKTOCKMANITOWOC

[–]Classic_Griswald 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real irony is this already happened. Well, there's a few ironies. But the 1st, there was a Facebook group with family member of the doc, which had about 30k(?) users.

People related to the (presumed-you'd have to be an idiot not to see it-somewhat proven but walked/got off the charges) corrupt public officials in the case, decided to infiltrate (call to arms/stalk/witch hunt) and took over the group, banned everyone they could while trolling who remained.

Then the main sub for rational discussion on the case gets taken over in a week or two, bullshit reasons are cited, and again, a group this time with 60k users, is broken up.

The irony on the second account, is that even though our users still kept in contact with the new family group on FB, for the most part unless it was authorized, no cross posting or information came from social media. Because the users respected MaM.

They would down vote shit posts and wanton speculation. If something came up, the recommendation from all our active users was contact Zellner (the lawyer). Most of us just post to get public information in the public domain though. Even that we can't be bothered.

So even if it wasn't intended,

Your bombastic and deriding postings, false accusations of witch hunting doxing and other inaccurate and frankly inflammatory claims combined with deletion of strong investigation created both a ghost town out of a once empowered subreddit and a stonger sense of purpose to those you attacked, banned and derided in your commentary.

This happened. And the claims that people were harassed is absolute horseshit from what the community is aware of.

There was one dude, who was a loon, and laughed out of our sub. He formulated his own plan to party crash x-mass at the doc's family's house, on his own blog as can be seen in the link.

Mods are citing this as a reason for the changes. Everyone knows this is a lie. Its like they are taking plays out of the corrupt officials in the doc.

Then you have another user. She claimed to be harassed, but only because she came to the forum, accusing someone she knew of participating in the crime. She was put in contact with the lawyer (KZ) -because thats what our sub does.

And once she realized it wasn't the person, she changed her opinion. Became very vocal about the protagonist's guilt. Okay. She then claims to get harassed. But in this time doesn't change her username. She could, at any time... Doesn't. Then complains.

Change your username(?) The harassment though doesn't stem from MaM, why? Because MaM users her speculation about her 'person' (she accused herself) and they down vote it, set people straight, etc

Beyond that, no one as far as the sub knows has been harassed. In fact, the sub was applauded by the lawyer, the old lawyers, and people have been in contact, with open access and permission to repost info.

Maybe its plausible someone close to the case complained, and claimed something that just wasn't happening. It wouldn't be the first time an effort was made to shut down or stifle conversations related to uncovering public corruption in this case.

Because even if Avery is guilty, there's some serious problems with how he was convicted.

But until now, most people really had no idea. They hadn't seen how someone could change the dialog, change the truth, so easily. Just by stating: "this happened" the mosts have rewritten or have been trying to rewrite what happened, and by deleting posts, banning people, ignoring, making fun, trolling, etc they show just how real and how easily abuse of power is exercised.

[–]Classic_Griswald 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

(we weren't, people were getting harassed in real life, even the families of the victims)

Who was getting harassed in real life? The only example anyone is aware of is DL who went to the Averys on Xmas, but you can see right here, he was in his own blog planning to fucking go there he was laughed out of MaM though.

No one liked that guy. His posts were down voted and he was laughed out.

So you are just talking out your ass with this. Every member there recommended people, if they felt they needed to do/say something, send whatever info they might feel is important to Zellner, the attorney handling the case.

There were even discussions between the past attorneys and the current ones by some members, which were welcomed, or at least authorized to be reposted.

Revisionist history.