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[–][10+]baronvoncarson 45 points46 points47 points  (14 children)
What exactly does this have to do with trump? Surely this is beyond being a political sub and is now just a cesspool of hate
Also slimigur or whatever is garbage. Loaded with ads.
[–][10+]MDFification 40 points41 points42 points  (8 children)
/r/The_Donald is basically just /pol/ at this point. If you're familiar with /pol/'s memes, they blanket every single comment thread there.
[–][10+]baronvoncarson 25 points26 points27 points  (7 children)
All i know about pol is they love being racist and edgy and call everyone cucks. And they hate the sjw bogey man.
Unfortunately one of my friends is friends with a guy who loves pol and he is your typical edgy 15yo on TeamSpeak with the racial Homophobic slurs. Except he is 23. Pathetic.
[–][10+]khantron 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
They call everyone cucks but they're all very cuckservative.
[–][10+]baronvoncarson 20 points21 points22 points  (5 children)
I suffer from savage second hand embarrassment when my friends friend says cuck on teamspeak. I mean reading it is one thing, but it being used in real life. Unironically. The worst.
He actually says we are cucks and SJWs because we study humanities. So of course he's your typical STEMlord. Because social sciences and humanities have never done anything EVER. I should actually record him one day. It's so bad. It's faggot this, nigger that, cuck everything else. He's like the whitest, richest daddys boy ever.
[–][10+]The King of CucksTomatoHere 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
Sounds like an idiot.
[–][10+]baronvoncarson 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Ha, yup. A massive idiot.
[–][8]aiulo 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Do you call him out?
[–][10+]baronvoncarson 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I did at first. But he just deflects it by calling me a SJW cuck. Now I just ignore him mostly. Basically he's like you imagine half those gators. He got fourth hand information about someone and now thinks they are the worst people on the universe. Doesn't understand most things and doesn't want too.
[–][8]aiulo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I would say drop him, but that won't help anything. If it's possible to widen his circle of friends and give him more life experience, he should see for himself that he's a big ol' dummy and that the Internet is largely terrible.
[–][10+]Dreammaestro 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
Slimigur is the off brand imgur created after the FatPeopleHate sub got banned from imgur. Since it's userbase is largely the same as ex FPH posters, it was made for "true freedum" (read: "cashgrab").
[–][3]thebiggestcommie 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
CWM also apparently owns it partially and promoted it's use leading many to the conclusion they promoted it for monetary gains
[–][9]Smash-Fascism 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Why aren't you using an adblocker?
[–][10+]arahman81 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Also slimigur or whatever is garbage. Loaded with ads.
I would have expected a slim site to be one without the excess stuff Imgur has (like comments, frontpage gallery, stupid paw, ads), and be just about image upload and preview.
Guess they missed the memo.
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    [–][10+]The King of CucksTomatoHere 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
    The stupid thing is that they think that white pride is orthogonal to black pride... But I haven't heard any neo-nazis say "I'm proud to be black"....
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      [–][10+]The King of CucksTomatoHere 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      No, what I'm trying to say is that a word is what it means, not the letters behind it.
      [–][10+]andrewisgood 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
      I know this is off topic and I always go into these references, but WWE is doing this gimmick with this one wrestler Darren Young where Young finds a mentor in former WWE Champion and insane man Mr. Bob Backlund to "Make Darren Young Great Again". Darren is black and gay. And Mr. Backlund is an old, delusional, insane white man looking to be his wrestling coach (or Life Coach because WRESTLING IS LIFE!!!!). The whole visual of the promos is pretty much based on a lot of the Donald Trump slogan and I'm interested to see if they go further with more Donald Trump references, or even things that Trump has used as political ploys.
      Granted, it probably might not be as on the nose and it might just be some crazy vignettes as Backlund is kinda known for that with Young as the straight man, but I do find it funny considering how racist and homophobic the_donald is, that they have the black, gay man have all the Donald Trump stuff attached to him.
      [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      Haha i just litterally got done watching RAW from yesterday. It's hilarious.
      [–][8]coolboyyo 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
      what the fuck is that image hosting site
      did imgur get sick of their shit or something?
      [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
      pretty much yeah
      [–][10+]mapppa 12 points13 points14 points  (27 children)
      I find it amazing that they still don't get it: "Hurr Durr, white pride should be accepted the same way as Asian or Black pride. This is so unfair".
      Well, if us whites didn't spend the last couple of hundred years enslaving, oppressing and slaughtering the other races, they might have a point.
      I get it though. Within their spoiled lifestyle of never having to deal with constitutional racism, they have become jealous of people experiencing racing. I know this sounds crazy, but if you look at what they are saying over there, it might actually be the case. That's why they victimise themselves without any reason whatsoever. That's why most of the anti-women movement is actually young white males.
      For some reason they actually seem to romanticize being oppressed, like they always see in the movies. They seem to think they are the "hero", the world is waiting for, while at the same time they have no concept of compassion, or love. Only hate...
      [–][10+]Tharberg 6 points7 points8 points  (14 children)
      LOL you are pathetic
      WHITE GUILT
      [–][10+]mapppa 5 points6 points7 points  (13 children)
      Sorry for triggering you. Maybe you'll understand when you grow up some day
      [–][10+]mapppa 7 points8 points9 points  (11 children)
      Is that supposed to be insulting? Sorry, but your childish crap don't work outside your safe space.
      [–][10+]mapppa 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
      So? You're attempt in using that story to spread your bullshit is childish, not the story itself.
      [–][10+]Tharberg -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
      Well you are a child. Childish stories for childish people.
      Only a child can be so delusional to think Muslims will integrate. To be so trustworthy towards Jews and Progressives takes great naivety.
      [–][10+]mapppa 8 points9 points10 points  (7 children)
      As expected, the reaction of racists that don't get the reactions they want: when everything fails, bring up the Jews...
      All good, little boy. Some day you will learn that in the world there are not just extremes for every single issue. Maybe some day you even find out what compassion is.
      But for now, go back to your edgy safe space and practice your dank maymays.
      [–][10+]Tharberg 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
      You are to blame, not the jews, you anti-semite.
      I don't see far-right nazis demanding safe spaces on college campuses.
      [–][1]smorglord 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      I agree with some of your points, but whats the expiration date on the stigma associated with colonialism, oppression, etc? When can people express their pride (in a non supremacist, non 1488 manner) in the achievements of Caucasian peoples, actively?
      If we say never then should we hold all Asians responsible for the atrocities of the mongols, or all Muslims for the mistreatment of women and non-Muslims under Sharia? I don't think it's realistic to say when inequality has ended, because as hard as we try that's not going to happen 100%. I can understand the argument that people who have experienced great oppression will be disturbed by any notion of pride, but it's absurd to try and protect people's feelings forever, people are stronger than they are given credit for.
      White pride is almost always expressed in a supremacist manner, but I can also understand why people are frustrated at not being able to express pride in the good things Caucasians have done. Having pride in the achievements of others, especially people similar to oneself is something that people who are insecure often do. You can allow people to express themselves in such a way, while applying criticism when it becomes unhealthy. If you just try to censor those ideas when they are expressed publicly, you can expect people to band together in dark corners where they will most certainly radicalize.
      [–][10+]mapppa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      why not be proud of what we humans achieved, no matter what race? Race just puts us into arbitrary groups. I'm not asking for being ashamed of being white, I'm asking for awareness of what racism can lead to. I'm not a fan of being proud of your race, no matter what it is.
      [–][2]Santusak 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
      if us whites didn't spend the last couple of hundred years enslaving, oppressing and slaughtering the other races
      so I should take a blame for people who have nothing to do with me yet when people try to use this logic against black peple and muslims they're called racists and xenophobes...?
      [–][10+]mapppa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      there is a difference between racism and institutionalized racism. Any general statement about a race is with almost certainty bullshit, except statements of what that race has actually done to other races in the past. I'm not asking for being ashamed of being white, I'm asking for awareness of what racism can lead to. I'm not a fan of being proud of your race, no matter what it is.
      [–][2]thatFisher 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      While pride might be a bit much, I hate that people expect me to feel ashamed of my heritage just for being white. colonialism was a product of greed/imperialism and a consequence of expansion. It solves nothing to blame the people that kinda-sorta look like the guys that where responsible for it. Self loathing and guilt won't accomplish much either. Just accept that it happened and fight it when and where you can.
      [–][10+]mapppa 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      I'm not asking for being ashamed of being white, I'm asking for awareness of what racism can lead to. I'm not a fan of being proud of your race, no matter what it is.
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        [–][M]LIATG[M] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        No slurs
        [–][10+]I-_I 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        Not for the first time.
        [–][10+]Thoctar 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        Someone's posted this exact same post title on this subreddit not long ago for a different meme. That's not a mark on AHS, its a sad commentary on /r/The_Adolf.
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          [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (10 children)
          Okay racist.
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            [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
            Aww poor baby, you think i have a problem with white skin?
            Nah i just have a problem with white pride.. and you in particular, regardless of your skin color.
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              [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
              So where ARE you from?. And have people from there always been considered white?
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                [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
                I wasnt talking about the demographics of your local area.
                It has to do with the fact that whiteness have never been a constant. For a long time, people of irish ethnicity werent considered white. Im gonna be a bit cheeky and use an answer from this thread on /r/AskHistorians
                Essentially, whiteness is a malleable concept that includes or excludes different races over time. While we perhaps naively think that "white" is based on the color of skin or continent of origin, Mexicans, for example, of entirely Spanish (i.e. European) descent are considered non-white. But they didn't use to - other than the Census of 1930, they were considered white in the early 20th Century. On the most recent census, 49% of Latinos checked "White" as their race. (Most of the rest checked "other".)
                Jews, Italians, Irish, etc., are all races that were considered non-white (which meant English in the most restrictive use of the word) to begin with, but "became white" over time. In the case of the Irish, this happened when Irish people started appearing in prominent places - sports athletes, police commissioners (the Philadelphia police department had a lot of Irish in it), politicians, and so forth. With the Jews, it happened when they too moved up the social ladder, becoming one of the most educated subgroups in America (Jews have about 5 times the average number of academic professors). I'm not familiar with the Italian story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States
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                  [–][10+]Armenian-Jensen[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                  The fact that you wouldnt have been considered white if you had lived in the US during the 19th century and the fact that who was considered white, have changed over time, shows that whiteness IS a mallable concept. It is foolish to take pride in something with such a historically arbitrary definition.
                  But go ahead and laugh. Laugh and be wrong.
                  [–][4]Ryuudou 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  No, White is a skin colour.
                  That Asians and Middle-easterns and albino and all other kinds of people can have.
                  It's slang (like "black", there are no black humans), but from any accurate viewpoint it's basically meaningless.
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                  [–][3]Moro-no-Kimi 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  It's not even a meme. Did you even read it? It's several screencaps of what wikipedia says about various race-pride. It points out that only white-pride is racist, while any other race-pride is something to be proud about.
                  [–][10+]Jaxraged comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (22 children)
                  So its okay to have pride in your race/ideologies unless your are a straight white male?
                  [–][7]The_End_of_All 15 points16 points17 points  (5 children)
                  Okay, this is classic sealioning but I will feed the sealion this time. Listen, when an asian speaks of asian pride they are usually doing so from the perspective of keeping some grasp on their background within a seperate culture. Likely, they have a history of being second class citizens and are seeking to cooperate to counteract this.
                  Same goes for Latino Pride, African American Pride, even LGBT pride is about maintaining a community amid a sometimes hostile larger culture.
                  Why would we need white pride when white is pretty much seen as the standard or neutral still in our society? When a majority of history and art favor a white creator and audience. When a majority of protagonists in media are white. When a majority of the country's wealthiest and most influential people are ...white.
                  What are you cooperating against, in spite of? What more could you do to "raise your people" up? Do you need a United White College Fund when you are the majority of both the population AND college students? Do you need a White Entertainment Television when most television shows feature a majority white casting? Do you need a White Pride Parade when a majority of city celebrations celebrate white holidays and culture?
                  What exactly are white people being robbed of again?
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                    [–][7]The_End_of_All 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                    So you admit you can have Ukrainian pride. Which is perfectly doable as Ukrainian's have a specific culture, history, language, and traditions different from their neighbors. Which means Ukrainian pride is a celebration of Ukrainian culture. White is some kind of wierd social construct that oddly lumps a whole ton of people together based on skin color. It has no actual unique culture, language, traditions, or language.
                    See the difference?
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                      [–][7]The_End_of_All 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      White people is a social construct. Proof positive is how many other ethnicities not originally considered white are now lumped in with white. Examples include Slavs, Italians, Irish, and Germans. White is a simple social way of saying "Anyone who is not the newest ethnic minority to hit our shores."
                      You may argue people think alike via their race but that is erroneous. People tend to think alike from a geographical perspective due to a shared cultural background. This has nothing to do with the color of their skin as much as their shared cultural experiences.
                      Your argument that Asians think differently assumes all Asians think alike, all Asians have a common cultural history, and that all asians will group together when it comes to handling an issue. The fact that Asian can include over twenty different ethnicities that are frequently in conflict with one another proves this is not true. There is no one Asian way of thinking. There is no one white way of thinking.
                      There ARE cultural biases but they are not ALL Asians engaging in them but biases built by more localized cultures from shared experiences. An example is that many Japanese people (Not all) look down on Chinese people as being less cultured. This isn't biologically hardwired in Japanese people, it is a result of a shared cultural meme.
                      Also, Jared Diamond is not someone you should hold up as the paragon of historical thought. However, he does not attribute race as the deciding factor but environmental determinism. You should likely read him again because his arguments rest almost solely upon your geographical area deciding your potential. His argument is basically your agricultural potential is basically an accident of geography.
                      Also, he says our concept of race is absolutely useless is talking about Africa.
                      [–][3]JamesLLL 15 points16 points17 points  (4 children)
                      What's your reasoning behind this?
                      [–][10+]Jaxraged comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (3 children)
                      its a question not a statement.
                      [–][10+]Xelif 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
                      you could even say that you're just asking questions!
                      [–][10+]khantron 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                      Yeah, because questions can't have unexamined premises.
                      [–][3]JamesLLL 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                      Usually when people ask questions like that, it's rhetorical bait.
                      [–][10+]Mike_Oxebig 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
                      Yes.
                      [–][10+]Jaxraged 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Makes sense.
                      [–][10+]poly_atheist 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                      You guys actually believe this, huh?
                      [–][10+]Mike_Oxebig 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                      Yes.
                      [–][10+]poly_atheist -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      Interesting.
                      [–][M]DanglyW 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                      Pretty much every day is 'heterosexual male white race/ideology pride day'. That's the problem.
                      [–][1]hornwalker 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                      Well the idea is that when you are a minority, and you grow up dealing with racism or homophobia, its easy to feel like something is wrong with you. The whole pride thing is basically saying fuck that, we are humans too and our culture has value, our lifestyles are ok.
                      See as a white person there really is no need for that(at least in the West), because we aren't being victimized by the the government or society due to our ethnicity. The best I can say is just put yourself in a 40 year old black person's shoes, or a more modern example is a gay person growing up in a religiously extreme family that says you're deeply flawed. You grew up with racism you're whole life until very recently(although racism still exists today). It has a serious impact on you, not to mention the socio-economic baggage that comes with that. You grow up with the major culture saying you are flawed simply because of how you were born through no fault of your own.
                      [–][10+]Jaxraged -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                      So a minority who has never experienced real oppression cant be prideful?
                      [–][10+]Enantiomorphism 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                      It's not that they can't, but there is no reason for them to.
                      Regardless, you know why white pride is disliked in the US - it's a common branding for neo-nazis and supremacists. When you say that you support white pride - you are also bringing all that baggage with you.
                      [–][4]itsjusttoored 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      Think of it this way. People say they have "X pride" because despite challenges and efforts to make them feel otherwise, they are proud to be X. People are proud to be gay despite being discriminated against, denied certain rights, and for a long period of time (and even today) being social outcasts in society. I'm proud to be ginger because despite having people yell at me from cars and in some cases try and jump me in the streets since I was about eleven, I haven't been cowed into dyeing it or anything.
                      As a white person, what sort of challenges have you faced due to being white other than maybe a 13 year old on Tumblr saying they hate white people that could justify that sort of pride against discrimination?
                      This is why national pride - "I'm proud to be French/English/American/Japanese/etc" is more socially acceptable. All such countries have faced struggles and challenges.
                      Keep in mind also that this is rather West-centric. If you were to go to, I don't know, Japan, and were constantly ridiculed and denied for being white, you could likely make a case for being proud of being white there.
                      [–][6]ZakenPirate 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      Europe for Europeans, America for Europeans, Australia for everyoneEuropeans!
                      Greedy Nazi price of shit.
                      [–][10+]Ferenix2 -38 points-37 points-36 points  (44 children)
                      Even if you think it is wrong because those of white people is majority culture while those of black people is a sub-culture developed under oppression etc. therefore white pride is illegitimate and black pride or asian pride not, it is unfair to think that those who upvoted the post are white supremacists, since they think that every pride is equal as any other,or they think America should get rid of every kind of racial pride. You can accuse them of ignorance or stupidity,if you want ( I would disagree however).
                      [–][6]Nurglings 35 points36 points37 points  (4 children)
                      You can accuse them of ignorance or stupidity,if you want
                      I'll do that and call them white supremacists.
                      [–][10+]Ferenix2 comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (3 children)
                      You are wrong but there is no way to stop you so enjoy
                      [–][6]Nurglings 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
                      You are wrong
                      Not usually
                      [–][9]Smash-Fascism -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
                      This time you are.
                      [–][10+]Ferenix2 comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points  (0 children)
                      :)
                      [–][4]everydaylauren 24 points25 points26 points  (22 children)
                      Their reductionist approach to language is nonsensical; the history of the phrases, the people who use them and the circumstances in which they are used modify their social meaning on top of their basic, dictionary definitions. It's akin to getting a tattoo of a swastika then saying, "it's just an arrangement of lines; why is your tattoo of a star any more socially acceptable than mine?!"
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                            [–][M]LIATG[M] 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                            This comment is pretty off-topic
                            [–][10+]thebestpostsaremine -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
                            Let me try to explain what I'm getting at. I totally understand the purpose of AHS when it comes to genuine and systematically hate-oriented subreddits, but I feel like some posts here belong on SRS.
                            Posts like this one are questionable/controversial statements at worst, but hardly what could be called hate speech. The reason I bring up a subreddit like /r/FULLCOMMUNISM is not that I think it warrants being highlighted here, but if one applies the same standard to it that is applied to /r/the_Donald, you could find more than enough material to fill a few pages.
                            Yet you're never going to see stuff from any subreddit like that here, for the simple reason that most of the posters here sympathize with those groups. There's way too much selection bias going on, and it really undermines the credibility of this subreddit. Unless you want to have this place turn into SRS2, I think you need a lot more stringent submission standards, and they need to be applied irrespective of one's ideological bias. Just my two cents.
                            [–][10+]Minn-ee-sottaa 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                            Memes about smashing fascism =/= actual fascism
                            [–][10+]thebestpostsaremine -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                            They regularly lionize Stalin, a leader who killed and imprisoned millions of his people. If you point this inconvenient fact out to them they go "B-b-but it's satire!" which is completely disingenuous given how much they idealize the Soviet Union. That'd be like a Nazi-themed subreddit posting memes trying to make Hitler look cool and hip, and then calling it all satire. Bullshit.
                            It's hard to make too much of a fuss about it though, as the subreddit seems to be populated entirely by teenagers going through an edgy phase. But they are normalizing atrocities from the past and you would think a subreddit like AHS might take issue with that.
                            [–][10+]Minn-ee-sottaa 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                            They regularly lionize Stalin, a leader who killed and imprisoned millions of his people.
                            Andrew Jackson was a genocidal leader who disregarded the rule of law, yet here in America we had him on our money for almost a century. How many people did FDR and Truman kill in WWII themselves? But they're remembered pretty fondly.
                            It is satire, because you won't find many actual communists who think of Stalin positively. That being said, I'd take him over Hitler.
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                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (8 children)
                              Right but if someone hijacks from you a word or gesture which is important or legitimate you do not care and keep using it. To use an example from today, muslims are still justified in saying allah akhbar even if it has come to be associated with terrorists.
                              [–][10+]ostrich_semen 18 points19 points20 points  (5 children)
                              Except "white pride" was never hijacked. White identity was always coextensive with white supremacism. The perspective that whiteness and Europeanness are inextricably linked is a white supremacist lie.
                              "White people" was a concept invented in the 17th century to describe who could and could not be enslaved during the colonial period. Outside of that context, it's a vestige of a period of European history that we already accept was barbaric.
                              [–][10+]selfiereflection comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (4 children)
                              Definitely but you can admit it did help out a lot of people. Bringing civilization into a native environment is the reason why Australia is so successful today
                              [–][10+]ostrich_semen 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
                              How did the system of white supremacism specifically contribute to the successes of modern Australia? More growth and stability has arisen in western developed nations by breaking down white supremacism.
                              Nationalism is a burden on modern society, not the cause of it. It's a parasitic ideology that seeks to break down meritocracy and replace it with a sociopolitical clout game. It's the inverse of data-driven policy.
                              [–][10+]selfiereflection -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
                              How is nationalism a burden? Creating and defending your area has been a cornerstone of human history. Also I'll have to stop you right there. Australia wasn't founded on white supremacism but was definitely a product of colonialism. By kickstarting development through already-known technologies Australia has flourished as a result.
                              [–][10+]ostrich_semen 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                              What changed between "white identity sure made Australia what it is today" and now? I don't understand why you're shifting positions.
                              [–][M]DanglyW 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
                              ... wut.
                              [–][1]Suaveyqt 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                              The difference between your example and what/r/the_donald is claiming is that "white pride" rose up from very recent US white supremacist movements, as early as the 1990s. It's never been a part of mainstream white culture, the idea of white pride was invented by white nationalists and white supremacists.
                              [–][10+]Xelif 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                              so it's actually fine for Americans of European descent to have ethnic pride
                              Irish heritage, German heritage, Italian heritage, Greek heritage, Polish heritage, Dutch heritage, Swedish heritage, Finnish heritage, Scottish heritage, Russian heritage, Jewish heritage, and so on are all fine to celebrate in the US. Any decent-sized city will have one or more cultural centers for European cultures, which often have regular heritage festivals.
                              "White pride" is, as /u/ostrich_semen explains, very different, because "whiteness" as a separate concept from Englishness, Scottishness, Swedishness, etc. originated as essentially a superior caste, not an ethnicity.
                              [–][10+]Xelif 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
                              it is unfair to think that those who upvoted the post are white supremacists
                              yes, it is very unfair to call people who upvote white supremacist memes white supremacists, what an insightful observation
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
                              I understand the rationale behind the difference between white pride and black pride, ie. that the latter is something born out of a subculture/demographics which was/is treated unfairly while the former is not.
                              However when a black person celebrates her blackness,what is she doing?First, she is celebrating her black features.
                              Why whites should be denied it?Its their body. Second,she is celebrating cultural achievments ie. Rap music.
                              Now while it is true that that is a product mainly of the black community,it would not have come into existence without the influence of majority culture and still it is not her creation but of her ancestors and fellow black people.
                              It is a double standard that minorities can claim both their specific culture (which would not exist without majority one) and majority culture.
                              I can see why it would not help having a white pride given american circumstances,but if white pride should die the other should follow,unless you want to foster hatred toward whites (that is the project of Global Identity Politics).
                              [–][3]rocket_ships 13 points14 points15 points  (10 children)
                              It's wrong because white people typically know what specific kind of white person they are, and the ones who don't hate black people are usually pretty content with that. You never hear about people getting up in arms about St. Patrick's Day being racist, do you? Why would you feel white pride if you had a good idea of where your ancestors came from unless you were trying to place yourself in opposition to people that were non-white?
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (9 children)
                              Europeans share millennia of common history and culture,it is not contradictory to think of themselves as one people. Also, yes St.Patrick's day has been criticized for being a "white power festival" by hardcore left-wing people
                              [–][10+]ostrich_semen 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
                              "White" and "European" aren't the same thing, and "white" didn't exist as a concept until the 17th century. Try again.
                              [–][3]rocket_ships 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                              Europeans do not share millennia of common history and culture, that's just ridiculous. Even aside from the many waves of mass migration that totally changed the demographics of Europe over the last 2,000 years, a French Catholic in 1700 had much looser ties to his Protestant German counterpart than a modern white American has to a black American.
                              And the fact that some small group of people you definitely heard about once criticized St. Patrick's day doesn't make me wrong. It just makes you look pedantic.
                              [–][M]DanglyW 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
                              Really? So, England and Ireland, one people? Germany and France, one people?
                              It's comments like this that make me think you've never looked at a map, or, if you have, you're convinced that the borders that exist today have always existed, and to make matters worse, you've never taken a history class other than jerking off to whatever flag your parents taught you was best.
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 -5 points-4 points-3 points  (4 children)
                              Cultural elites in Europe always considered themselves united either under the roman empire,catholicism,the holy roman empire and starting from the early modern period directly to Europe.
                              Recently,even common people are catching up more and more thanks to the UE.
                              But the matter is not really the legitimacy of white pride,I do not think is legitimate but it is as illegitimate as other prides and his lack is a double standard as I explained in my previous comment.
                              In the Anglosphere whites are discriminated against through affirmative action (even if the law is good companies and uni illegally use quotas and no affirmative action for poor whites) completely ignored if they are poor (contrasting the milions which are spent for black neighbourhoods),constantly reminded of their privilege by academic and cultural and mediatic elites that want to tear up every form of white solidarity even if not racially based (ie unions see the magazine "race traitor") and justify black terrorism.
                              Also various policies such as putting white kids on the bus for 40 min a day to horrible schools to "desegregate" educations are being taken.
                              Black and latinos are encouraged to take pride in their identities and to support this policies which will grow and grow and when whites will be the minority they will get no special projection and be marginalized forever.
                              [–][M]DanglyW 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                              But my point was that 'people of the Roman empire' is not a statement about a monolithic, singular, genetically isolated and 'true breeding' ethnic group. Just like 'people of Europe' isn't either.
                              Your other comment was addressed.
                              Whites aren't discriminated against via affirmative action - affirmative action is the RECTIFYING of discrimination against others. It's alarming to me how frequently this needs to be explained. Lets try a thought experiment -
                              Say you get squirted with a water gun every day, reliably, for your whole life, and every day in school after getting squirted, there's a 'who has the driest shirt contest'. Maybe some days it's rained, and you managed to stay inside, so you win, even though your shirt is sprayed with a water gun, but most days, face it, you lose. Eventually someone notices you're getting hit with a water gun, and says "Ferenix2 seems implicitly disadvantaged here, lets give him the option of putting his shirt in a 5 minute dry cycle". Some days you get really drenched, and that 5 minute dry cycle doesn't help much, but it helps, so you're grateful.
                              Naturally, the other kids in the class are pissed off, and say 'Ferenix2 gets all the best treatment!' That's a shitty analogy for what affirmative action is doing.
                              Black and latinos are encouraged to take pride in their identities and to support this policies which will grow and grow and when whites will be the minority they will get no special projection and be marginalized forever.
                              Gosh, if only whites could have some role models that were their race, like, I dunno, every President before Barack Obama, every actor in main roles in Hollywood, the vast majority of CEOs, etc, etc, etc? Again, you seem to actually factually believe that 'whites need special appreciation days', when we live in a world that's basically one long 'special appreciation day' for whites.
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                              The point is that there is no real reasoning behind giving no affirmative action to poor whites and giving it to rich blacks. Universities love diversity, if it were up to most universities there would be only ethnic minorities and a tiny percentage of white women in college. No one is squirting minorities.
                              Besides, most universities and workplaces use illegal quotas so the least qualified candidate gets the job, it should not be in this way and I support affirmative action has "tie breaker" as it is supposed to do but this is not what is happening.
                              Also you did not address all the various way I cited in which whites are marginalized and how the media and people support black terrorirsm and shaming of white (and if you protest hey you are tone policing!)
                              Coming to identity, first no white is allowed to take pride in their role model. Whites are forced to see them as neutral and if you said that you enjoy the fact that there is a white person on screen or that you had white friends,you would be shamed as racist.
                              Whites cant take pride in their bodies.
                              Coming to european identity I agree but it is the same for black people really. They are a mixture of various ethnicities . Yes their culture was developed under oppression, but it would not exist without majority culture. Black people can claim BOTH majority and their culture, whites cant.
                              They can take pride on their African lineage and on the fact that the president is Black, whites cannot.
                              Poor minorities hate whites because they feel rightly slighted by the establishment which is mostly white.
                              Rich minorities are power hunbgry as many rich people are and hates whites because they feel minorities should be at the top and because of identity politics.
                              Very soon you will be disenfranchised and possibly genocided. Me too but by sharia law.
                              [–][3]rocket_ships 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                              Cultural elites in Europe always considered themselves united either under the roman empire,catholicism,the holy roman empire and starting from the early modern period directly to Europe.
                              Yes, and that's why they never, ever went to war with each other, committed genocide, or failed to come to each others' aid when faced with an external threat. You don't really read a lot of history, do you?
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                              I shall add,not only marginalized but possibly killed in case of another recession for example that will foster the hatred of mimorities toward whites.
                              [–][10+]The_Rocktopus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                              Yeah, no, it has not. Irish-Americans sometimes complain about cultural appropriation of their holiday by Non-Irish.
                              [–][10+]TheRighteousTyrant 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                              Why did I even read this, I know better.
                              [–][10+]ostrich_semen 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                              Holy shit use a period
                              [–][10+]Ferenix2 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                              I edited it,it clarifies my position better regarding your answers at my former posts.
                              I appreciate the fact that you always try to answer me,I can see that while you think I am completely wrong and it frustrates you you still see some good in me,it is uncommon on reddit.thanks for the kindness
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