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[–]Jonex_Welcome Home 35ポイント36ポイント37ポイント 1日前 (31子コメント)
It's a real shame you played Fallout 4 first. It's certainly the smoothest and most stable of the games, but don't let that hold you back from the wonders of New Vegas. It's still a great game and you can really get absorbed into it.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (29子コメント)
It is in no way a shame...
[–]chowder138Welcome Home 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
It might make it harder for him to get into NV, just because he's been spoiled by FO4.
I bought Oblivion after playing Skyrim for a few hundred hours. I launched the game, played 15 minutes, thought it was the worst thing ever, and didn't touch it again for 6 months.
Then one day I launched it again and was completely absorbed. It's one of my favorite games now. OP might have a similar experience having played FO4 first.
[–]NOBLExGAMERNCR Ranger 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 1日前 (25子コメント)
It is in every way a shame. I also have a friend who's only played FO4 and he thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread totally unaware of the wonders of NV and getting fisted by a Protectron prostitute.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日前* (21子コメント)
I've got 1000 hours on New Vegas and bought it first on launch date in 2010. It was my favorite game for 5 years.
Now I think Fallout 4 is my favorite game and I really don't want to play New Vegas again.
It's not a shame, it's an opinion.
But I'm ready for /r/Fallout to shame me for not blindly accepting the last game as the best. Gee I wonder if people will criticize Fallout 5 like this, like they did to New Vegas when it came out.
[–]velmarg 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 1日前* (15子コメント)
I think we're missing the point. The old games, clunky as they are, are decidedly less accessible than FO4. They're mechanically and certainly graphically inferior, so if you're accustomed to the relatively smooth performance and gunplay of FO4, it can feel like a step back that's tough to grapple with for many.
On the other hand, New Vegas is the deepest game in the series, with easily the best writing and role playing elements. FO4 hardly feels like a "role playing game" at all by comparison. Back when we all first played them, it was easier to overlook the "clunk" because there was nothing else quite like the games out there, but for your average gamer today, certainly anyone who's a bit more casual, I could see it being difficult to go back to FO3/NV after playing FO4.
Playing on PC with some decent mods would definitely help though.
Edit: I should add to address your latter point - the backlash against FO4 here is all to do with the dumbing down (some might say omission) of real role playing. If FO5 continues in that direction, minimizing RP elements in favor of accessibility, sure, you can bank on people being similarly disappointed.
[–]dignam4live 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 1日前 (3子コメント)
"On the other hand, New Vegas is the deepest game in the series, with easily the best writing and role playing elements." Fallout 2 would like a word with you.
[–]camycamera"let go, and begin again..." 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I don't know... They may actually be neck in neck in some places. Fo2 is my second favorite, with FNV being the first, since it managed to balance the silly and funny shit that was way over the top in Fo2, with the seriousness with the Fallout universe that I could actually take... Seriously.
OWB was on Fo2 territory the entire time in terms of tone though, but it's still probably my one of my favorite DLCs, with Dead Money (probably one of the most serious parts of Fallout) is also a big favorite of mine. Like, these two DLCs have wildly different tones, yet are still in the same universe. FNV was amazingly diverse in that regard, and O guess one could argue that it is deeper than Fo2 as a result.
[–]velmarg 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
I'd actually be inclined to think New Vegas beats even FO2 in that regard, but to each his or her own.
[–]cz57avenger 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
I disagree on Fallout 2. Imo, New Vegas hit the definitive balance of everything a Fallout game should be. Fallout 2 was too wacky for me.
[+]SlingsterMinutemen スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 1日前 (10子コメント)
That's entirely opinion based. Through my (obviously extensive) experience with New Vegas, I can just about name one quest that really stuck with me all this time for being interesting, Beyond the Beef.
Fallout 4, I can name several from memory because I absolutely loved the writing and story of the quest. - So much that I made a character dedicated to saving at certain quests so I can replay them.
It's the same deal with characters for me.
I've also been roleplaying extensively since release of Fallout 4. And yes, it's limited in dialogue choices, OBVIOUSLY because of the voiced protagonist. But I still managed to get two (so far) extremely different characters with different RP traits that can give them an advantage or disadvantage in certain situations.
[–]velmarg 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
You're not wrong to say it's based on opinion, but some of your points don't really add up. The minimal conversation options aren't due to the character being voiced - see Mass Effect. They're due to the writers taking a more active hand in crafting the protagonist than the more "blank slate" approach in previous games. I'd argue this led to good and bad - mostly bad in my opinion, but that's all it is, right?
You can argue until the cows come home that FO4 allows for diversified builds, but you're missing the point entirely. Almost none of your build choices have any impact on the actual dialogue and role playing, and conversation - which I would argue is the key to any top notch, proper role playing experience - is about as impactful as it was in Skyrim.
Your 1000 hours logged in New Vegas simply means you played a lot of New Vegas. More than me, as it turns out! If that's true, then you have to know deep down in the gut of your gut that game was miles ahead of FO4 is the pure role playing and writing department. This is a discussion that has almost universally swing in favor of NV. Google "The writing in FO4 is so much better than in New Vegas," then Google the opposite. There's a thing called consensus. You have a minority opinion if you truly think FO4 is the game with better writing.
It doesn't make you wrong! There's no wrong in the subjective, right? I just don't see why it's so difficult for some to acknowledge a game's relative strengths and weaknesses. I think Fallout 4 is objectively a more stable, mechanically sound product with better gameplay. I think Fallout New Vegas is comparatively clunky, but has some of the best writing and true role playing in any game I've played, and I've played a lot of them.
Different strokes for them different folks though, I suppose.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
I've mentioned in my other comments that I know Fallout 4 has limited choices, which is a fault, and you even acknowledged that I mentioned it in your comment.
But yeah, it's my opinion that Fallout 4 has way better writing. And I've managed to make two characters that have faults and good traits that I RP with - I handle dialogue differently with each, too.
Might not be as much as NV, but my wise-ass run and gun character (I wont waste time with his entire RP story) will help anyone for free, and if possible I will decline a reward and I use sarcastic response a lot. However my Fisherman/Mirelurk hunter guy is always straight forward and serious, and I always ask for more money if possible and won't accept a job that doesn't pay.
[–]DancesCloseToTheFireYou like to dance close to the fire? 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1日前 (7子コメント)
I take off my hat to you, every time I attempt to RP in fallout 4 I feel as if the very game is trying its hardest to force me into its premade character, so far offering much less replayability than new vegas. In the same vein, very few quests in 4 stood out, and I don't mean compared to vegas, I mean that few quests were in my opinion worth mentioning theme-wise, and among those, mechanics-wise even fewer were in the least interesting. Quest-wise it feels like a watered-down FO3.
That said the DLC is much, much better.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1日前 (6子コメント)
The thing is that was how I felt during certain New Vegas runs. But the point of roleplaying is to force you, in real life, to change the way you play in order to fit a certain role that you wish your character to take on.
Subtle things my Mirelurk hunter/bitter fisherman character does is only eat mirelurk meat, even on survival. He's also alcoholic due to some emotional stuff with the wife being dead or whatever...so I force myself to drink alcohol when I find it in game.
There are the larger things too, like the way I do quests. But it's the little things like that that just make the immersion.
And agreed. Far Harbor is so damn good I made my fisherman character just because I loved the atmosphere.
[–]SuitcaseWarriorWelcome Home 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21時間前 (3子コメント)
Haters gon' hate. I love your fisherman idea, and respect your love of FO4. I've got like 90 hours into 4 and love it; about to do a survival playthrough. Still like NV better, but who gives a fuck what you prefer.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 21時間前 (2子コメント)
Wow you brought my attention back to this thread and I got -7 votes on my comment...for what?
Saying that I liked Fallout 4 more and that I roleplay on F4?
This is why /r/fo4 is doing better than you /r/Fallout.
[–]DancesCloseToTheFireYou like to dance close to the fire? -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
I am totally stealing your fisherman character idea, I don't know why I didn't think of it before.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
Feel free man, Far Harbor nailed it for me with the gorgeous fisherman outfits
[–]barntobebad -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 20時間前 (2子コメント)
I've got 1000 hours on New Vegas and bought it first on launch date in 2010. It was my favorite game for 5 years. Now I think Fallout 4 is my favorite game and I really don't want to play New Vegas again.
My experience exactly. It's ridiculous that people hold NV up as some godlike creation because it has SOME features that are better than F4, while being fucking BLIND to the features F4 has which are superior to NV. The NV circlejerk is just moronoic and at this point is tarnishing my memory of NV not enhancing it.
F4 has a LOT of improvements, some questionable changes, a few inferior aspects. And they're still adding more and more to it. It's not even a question which I'd prefer to be playing today.
Gee I wonder if people will criticize Fallout 5 like this, like they did to New Vegas when it came out.
Yup! I remember when F3 came out and the F2 diehards ranted about how moronic anyone was who thought it was a good game. That it was total shit, an FPS, vats is just an afterthought rather than the core of the game etc... Some time passed, NV threw a little more polish on it, and now it's the second coming. F4 will definitely become the gold standard, even around here, because it IS fantastic. I mean, look at what you just replied too, someone who's upset that a person new to the franchise thinks F4 is the best. Get ready for that to become the majority around here boys, those kids are gonna be all up in your lawn.
[–]Romito55 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
Without going into too deep of an argument, I want to say that I enjoyed NV more than F4 and still believe NV to be a superior RPG. Fallout 4 and NV aren't comparable in my opinion, and I truly think both games are striving to be different things. Much of my dislike for F4 is due to the story just coming off as poorly written and the obvious parallels to F3. There are so many quests that are just carbon copies of the same quests we did in F3. I mean for christs sake, when Ingram opened the door to reveal the Brotherhoods new super advanced weapon I was super excited...followed by immediate dissapointment. Oh. Liberty Prime. Again. Hey look a new DLC! Oh...The Mechanist....again. Now I will say that, they tackled alot of stuff in a new manner and it wasnt all that bad. I guess I was just disappointed because I wanted something new, and instead I got the improved old.
Both games are good, NV is getting more defense because F4 feels a bit too much like F3.5. But I dont really think thats fair. A game as big as Fallout is gunna be ripped apart and dissected to pieces with every little detail being examined. People have been slow to embrace some of the new features. I've been rambling and typed too much now to just delete my comment but all I'm trying to say is that the games are going for different things. F4 is not as much of an RPG as NV is and people that wanted an RPG are disappointed. Once time passes it will just be accepted that the games were/are different and both good in their own respects.
[–]SlingsterMinutemen -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
I've even had people on this sub call me a liar for saying that people said the same shit about New Vegas on launch. I remember it pretty well...considering I was one of the fanboys defending it constantly.
It seriously isn't the game they're making it out to be. You got given 4 skill checks in dialogue that all ended up at the same response anyway. The map is empty, and the game has 8 random events in total. Completely predictable and no challenge at all if you've played it through at least once.
[–]Agent_Paste -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
Silly /r/Fallout, criticising a game for scrapping the main element that made the series good. HOW DARE THEY HAVE AN OPINION!
[–]SlingsterMinutemen 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Silly /r/Fallout. Downvoting someone for not riding the New Vegas bandwagon. HOW DARE I HAVE AN OPINION!
[–]DGT-exeMY army, bitch. -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 22時間前 (2子コメント)
So, enjoying a Fallout game and possibly wanting more Fallout because of that game is bad?
[–]NOBLExGAMERNCR Ranger 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間前 (1子コメント)
It's a shame that one's first experience with Fallout is the game that's the least Fallout-y.
[–]DGT-exeMY army, bitch. -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh brother. We've got another one, boys.
[–]Jonex_Welcome Home 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
It's fairly obvious that Gamebryo is inferior to the Creation engine. That's why I say it's a shame. Just compare the shooting in New Vegas to the shooting in Fallout 4 and you'll easily see the vast gap.
Obviously this isn't the case for everyone. I'm just saying most people would find it difficult to adjust to New Vegas if they've already experienced a game that plays better.
[–]StarTrotter 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
I want to add it is a bit of a shame but not for the Circlejerky reason but something like Chowder says as the reason ot is a shame. As time progresses accessability changes. Although other media can suffer this, an example being a book where culture and the words used become archaic to a modern reader, a films graphics can become dated, etc I would argue that video games can be in particular challenging to go backwards to play older games.
Graphics, mechanics, the type of game (isometric/cavalier oblique vs First Person) all have changed and evolved. I love 1, 2, NV, 4, and i like 3 and think Tactics is fun. If i had to pick a favorite it would be 2. I feel it did a lot of things better than 1, 3, NV, and 4. I also think it did a lot worse on some things.
The biggest catch is accessability. The older the game, the more challenging it is to get back into. Playing NV again with no mods after playing 4 would be painful in a variety of ways. The graphics downgrade, the lack of sprinting, the lack of quick loot, going from a competent fps to a rpg where the shooting was.... strange to sat the least. I think that each of the Fallout games does some things better than the rest but from a pure ease of play modern games are generally more accessable/easy to play. For many it can make going back a difficult thing which is a shame because not being able to go back means missing out on some great games.
Does that make any sense?
[–]MagFrag5891"I always win!" 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
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