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[–]The_God_Kvothe [スコア非表示]  (119子コメント)

we’ll limit the roughly top 1% of MMR (Diamond 5 or higher) to solo, duos, or trios.

So..... there is no chance at all for us anymore to play as 5? Neither teamranked nor Dynamic Queue?

[–]nicolapeccin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

They mentioned they might enable 5 man premades in peak hours. It's uncertain though. I hope they enable a 5v5 "pro-ladder" for Diamond+ players.

[–]fedeholyghost [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

I thought this couldn't get any worse but it is..

[–]IryshemanAsk Questions While PUNCHING [スコア非表示]  (26子コメント)

How did they actually manage to

1) Ignore everyone saying WE WANT SOLO QUE AND TEAM QUE BACK

2) Make it FUCKING WORSE?

[–]Fealina [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Does someone actually remember how RIOT some years ago signed off basically every single official post with "we want to become the most player orriented company in the world" ?

While im glad they arent bullshitting anymore about it, i would LOVE to not get just fucking ignored.

[–]omgsiriuslyzombiNA - The ZoMbi Co LLC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Devils advocate here! Did you know the number of people playing LoL and ranked has only gone up and that the number of folks on this subreddit circlejerking does not reflect the entirety of the LoL populous?

[–]nGumball [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Because ranked 5 was a complete mess and was greatly inactive. Reddit is pretending like ''team Q'' was the most popular thing ever. It was not, the system was greatly flawed, the matchmaking was flawed and the activity was by no means ideal.

[–]Nesious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was relevant for Diamond+ level players who wanted to get into the amateur scene, which is exactly the people who got affected by this new change. Now there's no ranked support for high level teams at all, who are the only people who need/want it.

[–]robotlol [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

this is a welcomed change as a high elo player (other than the fact that there is no ranked 5s).

I honestly would have preferred up-to duo only, or even solo only though.

[–]rhettlanier [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

Yeah it's pretty fucked. First they hit us with the +/-2 division limit and now this. I just want ranked 5s man!

[–]marylandfuckboy [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Agreed. I miss playing with my friends. I don't care if they are lower ranks, I miss playing competitively with them :(

[–]Valkyrai [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Now the only way is to smurf and ruin low elo games :)

[–]-CANT_STUMP_TRUMP-Quas :D [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And then Riot wonders why we smurf, and are trying to discourage smurfing.

But in reality they are encouraging smurfing with almost every change they have made in season 6 to competitive league ladders.

[–]The_PandaKing [スコア非表示]  (158子コメント)

Other than them confirming no solo queue...

How the fuck are challenger series/university teams etc going to practice with a limit of 3 premades and no team queue? Scrims are not common at least in the UK university scene - are they going to have to play normals? Or only in pre determined hours where 5s are allowed?

[–]Ereptorlol [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It was bad enough with the removal of ranked teams, and then not allowing teams with some variance (diamond 4 not being allowed to queue with diamond 1 even with a premade of 5 practicing as a team), but now you can't even practice as a team outside of scrims.

[–]LICKmyFINGA [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Literally came to say this. I ran a team at my school last year and it was hard enough to find a food team to play against dynamically(usually teams were to good or bad) which lead to really poor practice and frustration. Now its literally impossible.

[–]Kengy [スコア非表示]  (90子コメント)

You act like Riot has given this any real thought. It'd be nice, but don't expect that of them.

Edit: Actually listening to the round table, and all 5 have admitted how shitty dynamic queue is. Basically, friends/less toxicity (which hasn't EVER been actually proven to be less) > relevant ranked queue. I'd honestly be embarrassed to release this video if I were Socrates et al.

[–]g0cean3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh you know they'll just play 5-man on their smurfs against the best of NA sub-diamond :>

[–]KillerBurak601 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"we are not bringing back soloq" welp, that was a short video

closes the video

[–]moobeat[S] [スコア非表示]  (152子コメント)

For those who will inevitably just be coming for this - " After considering all possible options and assessing the gains (and losses) of dynamic queue over the last five months, we've made the decision to not bring back solo queue."

[–]Adencor [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Kind of expected but still sucks that we just got our hope taken away

[–]ZiassanIt's not gambling if you can't lose... [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah, a straight "it's gone, move on" at the start would have been so much better than the slowly fading away hopes.

I kept playing every now and then waiting for the only thing I wanted in the game to be back, promises being delayed more and more.

Ah well, guess I'll just play some Aram every once in a while.

[–]Hawkwaard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm in the same boat, waiting for solo queue and pretty much only paying an aram every other day or so. Looks like I'll be phasing out league all together.

[–]A_Wild_Red_Card [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

I'm kinda glad this announcement coincides with Overwatch being released, makes it a lot easier to resist coming back. Haven't played League in over a month and no plans to return anytime soon. Fuck Riot.

[–]Jozoz [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Everytime it's a controversial topic Riot says:

"We're sorry for the terrible communication on this matter"

It's getting really fucking old. Why say shit like that if you NEVER improve on it. Get a grip Riot.

[–]tedygrahams [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

That's the only excuse they can give since they don't want to come clean and admit their intention from the very beginning was to replace solo queue with dynamic queue. Typical Riot PR double-speak backtracking disaster.

[–]SylerTheSKTop Lane Graves [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly this is the kind of shit that makes me not want to play the game as much anymore... I just don't want to play a game where the devs are such shady motherfuckers that they have to outright lie to the playerbase.

[–]KambeiZ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Honestly, it wasn't unexpected. The only thing i've against Riot right now, is : don't make promise you'll not keep, or you are not sure to. When they announced that soloQ would coming, i knew it wasn't possible, but they did it.

[–]kingofpancrase [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

should've just said that right way instead of stringing people around for half the season tbh

[–]jwktiger [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Honestly i think Dynamic que is fine below say Diamond V; and they are addressing this with the following

For example, because mismatches are much more common and much less fair at high MMR, we’ll limit the roughly top 1% of MMR (Diamond 5 or higher) to solo, duos, or trios.

aka its roughly the same as old solo que, but you can 3 man now and have two duo's on the same team. I think this is better

The problem has always been what is good for Bronze, Silver, Gold isn't good for Diamond, Master, Challenger. Whats good for Diamond, Master, Challenger isn't whats good for Bronze, Silver, Gold. And I feel this addresses it

[–]Levix-EUW [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Do I understand it correctly, that Riot now plans not to allow 4 and 5 man DynQ at Dia+ but also isn't planning to bring back Ranked 5s? That's a horrible decision imo. It'd be perfectly fine imho if Ranked 5s would come back together with this new DynQ restriction, but if the plans go through like they're planned, Diamond+ teams will not have any chance to play as a team anymore except in normals. That's absolutely the wrong way to go. How should amateur or semi-professional teams practice? In normals? No way. Only in custom scrims? That won't work for most of the Diamond teams either. Please Riot think about that aspect when bringing those changes to live.

[–]christoskal [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Do I understand it correctly, that Riot now plans not to allow 4 and 5 man DynQ at Dia+ but also isn't planning to bring back Ranked 5s?

That's the real issue. A dynamic queue with limited premades for diamond+ and a secondary ranked 5s queue would be a really nice solution for quite a lot of players.

I don't understand why they wanted ranked 5s to die, it's not like those of us that played it cared that much about balanced teams and queue times - we all knew there would be issues climbing.

[–]tedygrahams [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Dynamic queue is not fine for lower ELOs. Boosting / smurfing problems are more rampant than ever. No matchmaking system can be accurate when people are intentionally tampering with their rank / MMR. The new system encourages this behavior by rewarding those who play in premades with high-ELO smurfs.

[–]IcyColdStare/r/league discord. where magic happens. GET IN HERE FAM[M] [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

please be gentle, /r/leagueoflegends

Edit: FATALITY

[–]TheWorldisFullofWar [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Don't have to worry about any threads being made about DQ after this one since you will just remove them.

[–]IcyColdStare/r/league discord. where magic happens. GET IN HERE FAM [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Actually, since Riot's put out new info, it's off the Riot pls list. So no!

[–]yellowscam*smacks lips* [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

did they ever say what was wrong with the old solo/duo system? why the fuck did we ever need to change it in the first place?

[–]OverlordForte [スコア非表示]  (56子コメント)

To address position shortages, we’re adding an autofill mode that can trigger when queue times are too long. If players enter queue with excessive estimated wait times, the matchmaker will potentially assign them a role other than the two they selected.

So, recycle my Masters queue every 5 minutes to insure I don't get thrown into Jungle, which I literally cannot play at this skill level.

Got it.

[–]DerWichel [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

WHAT?! What a dumb idea is that? Wasn't the intention of this new Queue that you are promised one of your two selected roles? This is complete bullshit.

[–]phenomenalx3 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Is that for real LOL that sounds dumb as fuck... In the video they legit talked about how they want to make que time almost as equal as game quality. Game quality is just going to diminish because some people may not get the two roles they are confident in. This just seems like a lazy "solution" to que times. Biggest thing with me is that if I que and it goes over 20 min, I match up against around D3. Currently in masters..

[–]DogenotOpieOP noob champ KappaRoss [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

What. The. Fuck.
I'm mostly with Riot on their decisions, but this, this is really fucking bullshit. Who came up with such a shitty idea??

[–]WombatDominator [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

What's the point of even picking our roles then. I get hit with a 9-10 minute queue in plat 1 for mid/jungle but I'm happy to wait for that if I get one of those two roles. If I get forced into playing something else I'll just leave the game. Fuck this shit.

[–]FreakingHero[Pyos Hero] (EU-W) [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Autofill option?
More like autoloss if you get players on their offroles vs. players on their mainroles. ( In Master+ )

[–]Valkyrai [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

What's worse is due to being pigeonholed into two roles, most players are a lot worse at off roles than seasons past. I used to fill all but adc but this season I queue as jg/top and my mid and supp are now really weak for my elo since I never play it. They could fix queue times by adding a fill all but _ option... but instead they do this lmao.

[–]Sorenthazn3aWagon [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

That's so nice of Riot to encourage everyone to go play Overwatch instead of staying on this sinking ship.

[–]Tsubasax [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So how are people with Diamond elo able to play with a ranked team and practice it?
Normals doesn't provide the same enviroment as ranked does, since you don't lose anything.

Can Riot atleast explain why Ranked 5v5 with a team was deleted? Is there now a chance it comes back so that diamond people can play as a 5 premade teams to practice for tournaments?

[–]busstaTSM DL [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Why not release Solo Queue and see how many damn people would actually play that over Dynamic. I am willing to bet my life on the fact that it will have more players.

[–]gabapenteado [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

To address position shortages, we’re adding an autofill mode that can trigger when queue times are too long. If players enter queue with excessive estimated wait times, the matchmaker will potentially assign them a role other than the two they selected.

So, if i play jungle/top almost exclusively up until the highest levels of play, i am punished by having to play a new role starting at the highest level possible?

Also:

For example, because mismatches are much more common and much less fair at high MMR, we’ll limit the roughly top 1% of MMR (Diamond 5 or higher) to solo, duos, or trios.

RIP my 5s team.

I don't mind dynamic queue at all, but those weird edge cases they are putting in to fit premades, high elo players, and no support players are causing more harm than good IMO

[–]Buttfluff [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

This decision will be the decline of this game

[–]Mahiriens [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When starcraft2 started to decline initially blizzard disagreed with alot of the communitys opinions on the game and what should be changed. that didnt go so well...

[–]Michelle_Obama_Thanks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The last month was the least i played LoL since i started and all my games was normal games. Now i'm going to just watch the LCS and play something else

[–]Xandabar [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Okay cool. Now that I know solo queue isn't coming back, I will continue standing by my decision to not buy any more RP. Have spent well over 1k on this game, but I won't be a paying customer anymore.

I encourage any other dissatisfied customers to do the same.

[–]Xhausted90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Iam already only playing Overwatch/Hearthstone and haven't touched league in weeks. When this is really their final decision, it is my final decision to not play it anymore.

[–]Newgate10 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"95% of the community, pros, coaches, highelo players, etc agreed that soloq was better, but we now what is the best for the game."

[–]impedimentoLoL@ggimplol [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

bringbacksoloqueue

[–]SelloutRealBig [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just because Riot doesnt want to bring it back right now, doesnt mean we should stop voicing our opinions on it.

bringbacksoloqueue

[–]forgivemeisuck [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Getting rid of full 5 man teams in a team game. Thx riot

[–]Excitium [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

That's the most ironic part actually. At the top of the ladder, where you have the most and fiercest competition, that's where they completely cut out 5 man teams.

Fuck all those college and amateur teams, I guess.

[–]albert2006xpNo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"We want LoL to be about the team and you making a team and getting synergy so we remove Solo Queue"

"We can't make it work so we remove premades and make some weird combination where it's not solo queue but it's not ranked 5 either"

[–]Marketen [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

TIME TO BUY OVERWATCH

[–]Arnhermland [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Might be joking and all but if they keep doing this kind of stuff everyone just gonna move.

[–]yuchenshen [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

All jokes aside, I got it on release and haven't even thought to play a game of League since. I already have over a day in the game and it feels just as good as release day.

[–]TSMDOUBLEDONEZO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do it. I haven't been this hooked on a game since TF2.

[–]BRodIsRad [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

League of Legends a game synonymous with climbing a competitive ladder and improving ones individual play doesn't have a solo que... that is just sad to say IMO.

[–]HRTS5X [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

No no no, League is a team game where you build up synergy with your friends and climb a competitive ladder...

And then hit Diamond where you can't queue as 5 man any more. This feels like a "solution" that an intern thought up in 5 minutes and damn the fucking consequences. Though to be fair to Riot, that's basically every decision they've made for the past few years. They don't seem to give a damn about sustainability yet they try to force the competitive side of the game into an eSport in a way no other developer does. It's absolutely baffling.

[–]albert2006xpNo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I am dying at the fact they just gave up on 5 mans at high level. It's like they are trying to fix a monstrosity of a machine that should have never existed and just make it more and more contrived and non-functional.

[–]HRTS5X [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

God, it's hilarious when you put it like that. So we used to have solo queue where you could group up with another friend, and then a 5s queue, with a roster of 8 to choose from or whatever. That was it.

Now they utterly fucked up in their pursuit of money and it's just band-aid after band-aid after band-aid. You know what's more ridiculous? This is exactly how their client and codebase ended up so buggy in the first place. Just piling new stuff onto shitty foundations. It's literally the exact same scenario playing out again from Riot. Unbelievable.

[–]albert2006xpNo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Welcome to Spaghetti Queue. You can queue with up to 17 friends based on the time of day, the crescent moon, weather, the mood of RiotSocrates. Just remember if you are a human male subtract one friend, but if you are black add two, then if you are gay subtract one, and if you have dark hair add three. If you have a dog then add three more friends, but not at peak times, because if you pick your role selection then maybe you can select other three people to choose another five people that might queue with you but only when the Earth's orbit is at perihelion.

[–]IX_Lukas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Really? Under 5 minute queues for off peak times? Unless I pick support I beg to differ.

[–]JMassie21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Competitive integrity is a buzzword that's lost all meaning now.

[–]itsReeby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Riot is the most ludicrous company ever to exist. Just admit it was a fucking failure and scrap it.

[–]-Gaka- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is unsurprising. It has been increasingly apparent that the idea of fair competition has long gone out the window.

Dynamic Queue is inherently flawed for any competitive ladder. Mixing groups is only going to open up a lot of exploitable options to those who want them - which is contrary to the idea of a skill ladder in every possible way.

There are only two possible combinations of teams that will ever make for fair competition - Five Solos vs Five Solos, and One Five-Man vs One Five-man. Any other combination will reduce or remove a player's contribution and true skill rating. This was one of the main complaints about simply Duo Queues - it's way easier to navigate and impact a game when you have a presumed communication and synergy advantage. By not giving the option for a pure Solo Queue, Riot is ignoring ranking as an indicator of your personal skill, and instead are viewing it as the value of your team. It's an attempt to use a Five's ranking for individual skill level, which simply aren't the same.

Dynamic Queue is an affront to competition. It's even more damning that they're electing to neuter their own queue in Diamond and up, by only allowing up to a trio. This doesn't even solve the problem for high elo players - we're still going to be confronted with awful queue times and matchmaking simply on the basis of exactly how Riot's matchmaking works. You need to go all the way and make it pure solo queue if the ladder is to have any competitive meaning.

But I think the absolute worst aspect of all of this is that, for all the declarations of "team-game" and "play with friends!" there is no actual venue for a group of five players to play specifically against other five-mans and prove their worth in that arena. You can't be ranked by how you function as a group - anything you do is going to be tied to your "solo" ability. These are different values, and need to be treated as such.

The loss of Ranked 5s is its own tragedy. There was such room for involvement and community, and instead its been half-baked into an incomplete Club thing. Ranked 5s could have been linked into the client. There could have been client-run tournaments and events. Take your team of five, sign up for a weekend tournament, and spend the next few hours vying with other equally skilled teams for some small prize. There was room to add community and all the fun of playing with friends, but instead it's been shoved down the throats of individualist players and any notion of competitive integrity.

I hope Riot overturns this decision in the future. It's not just Solo Queue they've killed, but also Ranked 5s.

[–]Nocorras [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

At least watching competitive is still fun for me. I won't play this game again though until solo queue is back.

[–]getcucked [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

my desire to play this game dies a little more with each update. maybe it's finally time to move on

[–]koticgood [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So dynamic queue is great because it allows for "competitive teams", but the system is removed when you hit competitive ranks.

Truly amazing. I guess there's plenty of precedent for it, but it's interesting and sad to see a company kill its game.

[–]youlolmuch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the worst decision Riot has ever made.

[–]TheDjogoGAMBIT [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

Their queue time graph is huge bullshit.

[–]cnvb [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

It's hugely affected by support mains getting queue pops in 1 second bringing the total average down.

[–]iNotAfraid [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You're right. I am a diamond supp main (Supp / Fill) and wait for 1 - 2 min max only. On smurf (mid plat), I wait for 3 min max (Adc / Mid).

[–]dilutesolutionReformed hehe xd [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Yeah it seemed pretty weird because i have 5-6 minutes wait in plat on my main and on my silver 3 smurf even in peak hours ao i was kinda confused as well

[–]Lesas [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

if a mid main is a support secondary, she’ll end up mid only around 16% of the time.

I'll call bullshit on that, i always queue as top/support and so far i got top three times out of like 50 games

EDIT:

Also:

To address position shortages, we’re adding an autofill mode that can trigger when queue times are too long. If players enter queue with excessive estimated wait times, the matchmaker will potentially assign them a role other than the two they selected.

then what the hell is the purpouse of selecting in the first place?

[–]KassaapparatHentai OP [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yup complete bullshit, I'm a Mid Primary Support Secondary. But I've NEVER gotten a mid game, and only 1 mid lobby...

[–]Hi_im_Esox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dude that ''Winrates for groups of 5 vs groups of 1-3'' is fucking shocking. Look at how fucking big that gap is. The scary part is how bad it would be if you'd include a statistic of a solo player's winrate. Of course Riot didn't include this one, probably because of how shocking the result would be and how much more angry people would get.

[–]GoPuer[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've been playing since S1. It's time to sell my account and call it a day. Fuck Riot and the direction they took this game. Having an "autofill" is no better than the old champion select where what role you got was entirely determined by the RNG of position in champ select.

[–]HiHelloJon [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Serious question, why did they change the system in the first place? I mean from solo/duo queue and ranked 5s to dynamic queue.

[–]RedClawzzzFebiven solokill Faker [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

cuz bunch of incompetent college graduates who dont even play league got to work there and are doing their experiments there. Fire them all if necesarry.

[–]albert2006xpNo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm pretty sure this is the cause. I watched that video. Those people are NOT hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers don't care about friendship, toxcity or anything other than being the best, e-peen and competitive integrity.

[–]StonedWooki3LeBlanc is cancer [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

I'm just glad Overwatch is out now. Haven't touched League since I played the beta and have no regrets.

[–]ProWresBlog2 [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Yep. I have a feeling a large number of OW players are disgruntled former LOL players.

[–]audemed44 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

LOL already lost a huge chunk of its share of being played on the PC Bangs in Korea. Overwatch is the 2nd most played game in PC Bangs and I expect the number of players to keep climbing.

[–]screwthetaboo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I only do ARAM's and RGM's right now when I'm not playing Overwatch/WOW - League has become a lot less fun :(

[–]bluesharpies [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I've slowly been stepping away from playing league solo, and have only really been playing when I have a few friends on. Overwatch has definitely filled that void quite nicely.

[–]morpheius1†îl†ê∂ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Oh boys, this article seems so out of the reality. The fact they want to even the winrate of premades vs solo players : there's no good solution because either the premade has a big advantage thanks to communication either the other solo players are at a lot higher elo, which sucks for the other players in the premade team... Then they consider adding 5s only for Diamond + and on peak hours : WTF, I just want to get back to this fun q where I could play with friends who are a lot better/worse than me and have fun. I'm really disappointed, but pretty sure we all expected solo q not to come back, but 5s aswell, that's truly what angers me.

[–]yes_thats_right [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

We’re also tackling match quality because games featuring premades versus non-premades are unfair, even if they are rare.

It only took them 5 months to realize that this is a problem?

[–]floodyberry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They only had to look at their non-ranked queues for, I don't know, the past 5 years to find this out. I could understand if they were slowly improving things over time and ran in to minor setbacks, but they seem to be actively ruining everything so they can slowly implement a hidden agenda they can't fully reveal without causing a massive backlash.

[–]BlackHoxtonTSM [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm a simple man, I see dynamic queue in the title, I go to the comments for an informed opinion on the subject at hand.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_GHERKINS [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Still think that voice comms would help at least a little against dynamic queue

[–]RobxD [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

We all knew League wasn't going to last forever, here's to the slow and painful death, and gasps for relevance, here to come in the next few years.

raises glass

[–]2poundWheel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

At around 10minutes, Lobster, the Lead Developer for Dynamic Ranked says "Yeah, so when we think of a fair match its literally that both teams have an equal chance of winning. So if we match five solos up and we know that based on their skill level they have an equal chance to beat a 5-man premade, we'r- i'm comfortable with that match because they have an equal chance." What the fuck? In what hell would that ever be fair? Theoretically speaking this guy thinks that 5 solo Diamond 1/2/3 players have a chance against a semi-pro or LCS-level team?

[–]Arnhermland [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just add the goddamn solo queue, I've played far more dynamic than solo and I don't see the reason to not give people what they want besides forcing a persons idea on HOW the game and queue should work when clearly the community wants the opposite.

They wonder why they're losing players and every time is the same deal with every company, you're not listening to them.

[–]Synbios777 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It took them 4 months to finally tell the truth they are never bringing back solo queue. To me this announcement is more negative then positive, they got rid of 4-5 man queues in d5 which should make pro players happy however watching streamers play together was one of the only positives for dynamic queue to me. Getting primary role more often should be by far the biggest positive. I'm not sure where they get their queue time info but 4 minutes for plat when you aren't support is the minimum not the average for me. Last but not least it worries me that they are solely looking at the win rate for 5 man stacks vs small premades and not looking at the fun aspect of it. No matter what the win rate is playing solo with a 4 man group on comms vs a 3-4 man group is not fun. I tend to pray that my group is more coordinated then their group because my group isn't listening to anything I say and I don't get to join in their comms. I would love more info on the breakdown of how often there are full groups of solo players, the winrstes of 1-2 man groups vs 4 mans etc however I doubt that will happen. Bottom line tl;dr I'm really sad however no amount of complaining or hating on dynamic queue is gonna matter. They have decided solo queue is gone, I feel some will justifiably quit however now as people who love solo queue I think we need to fight to address why dynamic queue is bad and the best possible way to fix it. We are stuck with dynamic queue, if we are gonna stay we need to work on making it the best it can be. Also no talk on ranked 5s coming back except for d5 on peak hours it looks like. Which means 99 percent of people are screwed and the ones who do play don't get the benefit of what it was good for. A nice fun ranked way mostly when tilted or trying things that didn't affect the rating you worked super hard for.

[–]Kizech [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hey look, riot created a bigger problem by solving a smaller problem. Good job guys, you've now effectively ruined the competitive scene for any amateur teams above Plat 1.

[–]JayD30 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"we want you to play with your friends" unless you are diamond or higher then go fuck yourself

[–]ThisIsNotGreenDog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah League still exists...

*goes back to Overwatch*

[–]Not_a_fucking_wizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It seems that Riot prefers to kill the game rather than admit that DQ is a shitty feature and should be removed.

[–]TrouserSnakeLoL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We know you want Solo Queue, but that's too fucking bad. - Riot Games

[–]SuperSnorlax [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To everyone complaining about solo queue: don't spend another cent on this game It will have a greater impact then complaining about it on the subreddit

[–]Graxter [スコア非表示]  (56子コメント)

I feel like Riot is having unreal expectations in terms of winrates for groups, and your average solo Q player. The people playing in a group will obviously have a higher win rate than the lone wolf. This is due to a variety of factors, but mainly lies in the pure amounts of communication the dynamic queue party has - most people play with skype/raid call/Discord/Curse, etc. In summary, the average player is at disadvantage from the lack of communication with their team and therefore making Riot's goal unrealistic.

TLDR : WHY THE FUCK DOES RIOT EXPECT THE SOLO QUEUE PLAYER TO WIN AS MUCH AS THE 5 MAN QUEUE.

[–]xRoxel [スコア非表示]  (35子コメント)

Read what they said; they'll be further handicapping the premade team in matchmaking, possibly pitting them against teams of higher ranked players

[–]Saituchiha[Muay Thai LeeSin] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know riot shouldn't listen to the majority of idiotic plebs, but at least listen to your own pro players holy shit!

[–]impedimentoLoL@ggimplol [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

  • Dynamic queue and the future of League
    With the introduction of dynamic queue, we alienated a portion of League’s passionate player-base who believe a ranked competitive experience should be limited to a solo (or duo) endeavor. We agree dynamic queue standings don’t reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder, but they also don’t inhibit competitive team experiences, and that’s a trade-off we want to make. After considering all possible options and assessing the gains (and losses) of dynamic queue over the last five months, we've made the decision to not bring back solo queue. While we’re committed to dynamic queue, we know there’s still a few problems we need to solve. We highlighted the most serious issues and what we’re doing about them in an open roundtable discussion you can watch here. Below, we’re covering the data behind the problems as well as expanding on some of the answers presented in the video.
  • Role selection
    Position select isn’t sufficiently prioritizing primary roles and we’re working to improve how it does so. You should get your primary position more often whenever possible. Right now, a support main has a 95% chance of getting his role, while a mid main has only a 55% shot at getting hers. Different combinations of roles also vary quite a bit. For example, if a mid main is a support secondary, she’ll end up mid only around 16% of the time. Over the next few days we’re rolling out a few adjustments to tackle this problem directly. We’re increasing the likelihood you’ll get your primary role, and we’ll continue working to improve this.
  • Premades and fairness
    We’re also tackling match quality because games featuring premades versus non-premades are unfair, even if they are rare. Delving into the numbers, Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Plat solos, duos, and trios battle a five-player premade in about 1 game out of 1000 (slightly more often in Plat). In Diamond, the odds of encountering a full premade jump to 1 in 150, and then skyrockets in Masters+, where players encounter a five-stack as often as 1 in 25 games. Despite being relatively uncommon below Diamond, the winrates look like this overall: We’ll be adjusting premade handicaps further to even the playing field between premades and non-premades.
  • High MMR adjustments
    We know we can guarantee reasonable matches for almost all players, but elite MMR has such unique issues we need to make changes specifically to the highest tiers to account for the differences. For example, because mismatches are much more common and much less fair at high MMR, we’ll limit the roughly top 1% of MMR (Diamond 5 or higher) to solo, duos, or trios. League is a team game, and we want dynamic queue to work for every player who wants to compete, but we’re admitting how impossible it is to find fair matches when fully-coordinated professional teams like SKT are out there lurking in the queue. We’re currently considering enabling 5s for Diamond and above during specific peak hours on certain days of the week--when more players are in queue to make matches. We want to improve things now. We’re also still looking for and working on better solutions. It isn’t only match quality that varies wildly at the top compared to the rest of the ladder.
  • High MMR queue times
    We recently made some behind-the-scenes adjustments to how the matchmaker works, bringing average queue times for high MMR down to 17 minutes (from spikes as high as 30). We still don’t think that’s good enough, but we’ve exhausted our leading options for addressing queue times via this type of algorithmic or other backend tinkering. Position select combined with the smaller player pool at elite MMR is causing long queue times at the highest tiers. We’re going to intentionally make a trade-off here: Scale back on guaranteeing specific roles in order to better ensure high quality matches get made in a reasonable amount of time. To address position shortages, we’re adding an autofill mode that can trigger when queue times are too long. If players enter queue with excessive estimated wait times, the matchmaker will potentially assign them a role other than the two they selected. The matchmaker will continue to optimize for primary and secondary positions, falling back to fill only when necessary. We’re looking to minimize the number of players that’ll end up filling, but it will happen most often at highest tiers.
  • More clear and frequent updates
    We know the dynamic ranked experience has been painful for the highest skilled players for the last few months. We remain focused on improving it and agree the current state is unacceptable. The video and this wall of text is another step we’re trying to take towards more clear and frequent updates. We’ll follow up with more data and results from our upcoming changes, sooner rather than later. GLHF, and we’ll see you on the Rift.

[–]PhyLol [スコア非表示]  (56子コメント)

As much as people will say Riot deliberately lied to chill everyone out when they announced Dynamic and it backfired.. I think someone at Riot probably just panicked, shit the bed and said they could bring it back without really thinking about it. Sucks and I much prefer Solo / Duo with Ranked 5s still around but I don't think they could ever exist together at all so it's no real surprise.

[–]Vayatir [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

Yeah, despite what reddit might think, I don't think Riot was deliberately conspiring to lie to the playerbase.

Is it bad to suggest they could bring it back without fully looking into it? Yes. But was it merely an appeasement plan from Riot with no grain of truth behind it from the start? I doubt that strongly.

Once they heard people wanted solo queue back, I do imagine they were being serious about the idea. But they realised very quickly afterwards the two queues just wouldn't work together, and shelved it.

[–]Jozoz [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Yes they wouldn't work together because Dynamic Q would be a ghost town.

[–]Did_I_Really [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I don't think Riot was deliberately conspiring to lie to the playerbase.

With one announcement, yes. But the ones after that still gave the impression that it was coming, hence I think they're either very dumb (unlikely) or they deliberately deceived the playerbase.

Either way, malice of stupidity, they lied. No apology came. In other news, water is wet.

Anyone that expects complete honesty from Riot is pretty naive if you ask me. Shouldn't keep you from enjoying from the game though.

[–]DyeCreppare:^) [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They just locked the other thread so im posting this here.

Riot refuses to look at Dynamic queue from a soloq player perspective and that is why they can't see why this system is so flawed, in the video the dude says that if they're equal chances of 5 solo players to win against a 5 man premade they will do it, but that actually is impossible. Premades will always have a distinctive advantage due to instant communication, so unless father riot wants to add voice chat which honestly would solve so many kinks in the dynamic queue system they will keep turning their head at the community's outrage and say nope you're wrong buds lol get social xd.

[–]peeqo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

honestly ima going to be so real, all of these problems would not be here if we just sticked to old soloque. life was much easier back then.

[–]KilluaShi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is disheartening to hear that one of the designers of Dynamic Queue totally does not understand why people do not like DQ. At around 10:30, he says that as long as the player skills in a certain game is of similar/equal level that he's comfortable with a 5-man-premade to be matched up vs 5 solo players because either team has an equal chance of winning. That's just totally bull that he doesn't see how flawed that reasoning is. If 5 solo Plats matches up with 5 premade Plats, the premades will always have an advantage just due to faster communication and synergy.

[–]-ElBandito-l ike riven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lyte ditching riot before things got bad, lol

[–]ekjohnson9 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So where are the real numbers? The role selection percentage is pretty blatantly incorrect. Also lying about queue times won't help the discussion Riot.

[–]kaesikas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Now I can quit for good. Had no interest in this game anymore anyway ever since Overwatch came out. Bye Riot you fucking liars!

[–]thacoltoGOLDEN AGE? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay I realize this thread is about dynamic queue but:

"Right now, a support main has a 95% chance of getting HIS role, while a mid main has only a 55% shot at getting HERS. "

At least they're addressing gender roles? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

EDIT: Formatting

[–]GoldenScarab569 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So even after countless threads were made on Reddit, and almost ALL pro players saying DQ is bad for competitive integrity and that SQ should be brought back, Riot STILL decides to say, "We've listened to what you've said, but decided that we know better so fuck you."

Riot. Listen. You're ruining your game by making these awful decisions and not listening to people who are just as passionate about it as you are. Sure, this might be great for 90% of the playerbase who are casual, but they don't MAKE the game, they don't CARE enough about the game to stick with it, and when something new comes along they'll just jump onto that game. The people who make the difference are the ones who are more than just "casual" players, they are the people that care, the people who won't jump ship to Overwatch, or any new game that comes out, and by ignoring these passionate players and alienating them, making them feel like their voice and their opinion isn't worth anything you're driving them away and they WILL leave.

Your game lasts as long as there are passionate people who play it, and when only the casuals are left, all it will take is another Overwatch, another MOBA or something similar, and you won't have a community left at all Riot.

[–]SeongHyeon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am starting to weirdly like Overwatch now.

[–]ripkin05 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

riot picked a really bad time to say fuck you to the community with overwatch just comeing out.

[–]SazandoringHi Im Wuba [NA] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ranked is serious and not for "Fun". Though people get enjoyment out of the seriousness and competitive environment of ranked.

[–]n3v3rm1nd [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, that sucks. So they removed the team ranked and solo queue to create this ... which cannot fill the gap of either one.

Also, the only 'positives' which he actually named was the fact that some people got to queue with more people for the ranked and toxicity was less.

Well, genius, the more premades there are together, the less likely it is to have people flaming each other.

Want to remove 'toxicity' completely? Why don't we limit all the queues to 5 people only.

[–]Der_Herbst_kommt [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

Garbage tier decision. People play ranked so they can display their own skill. I cant stand watching shitty players get good rankings because they get carried. JUST GIVE US THE OPTION.

[–]TROPiCALRUBi [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

ELI5: What is so bad about solo queue?

[–]TheWorldisFullofWar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dota2 already showed why you can't do this mixed matchmaking bullshit when they had a soloQ and mixed matchmaking pool(that disallowed 4-stacks). While it worked in theory with soloQers matching with other soloQers and 2 stacks being put with 3stacks and 5 stack by themselves, a problem occurred. There were not enough stacks to have reasonable queue times since all 2 stacks HAD to have a 3 stack and there were far more 2 stacks than 3 stacks. The 2 stacks could be matched with 3 soloQers who voluntarily joined the mixed pool but they obviously didn't. Before Dota2 released, they removed the soloQ pool and restricted 3 and 2 stacks so that you will never be matched with a team that is made up mostly of premades(League does not have any restrictions which is why DQ is a problem in all ELOs). If Riot just disallowed 4 stacks and restricted premades, some of the issues with League's mixed matchmaking pool would be resolved

[–]HRTS5X [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

The first paragraph['s subtext] literally says "we know we alienated a portion of the playerbase but actually, fuck you, we're doing it our way despite all of you." I mean, it's obvious this was coming but the simply blatant way they put it there is frankly insulting. Like, they actively admit that there are people that don't like it, and then say they don't give a shit. I actually can't believe that's the way they've put the official press release for "solo queue isn't coming back". Wow Riot. Just wow.

EDIT in [] because people are pedants about what "literally" means.

[–]TheVoidstar [スコア非表示]  (95子コメント)

The only thing I'm wondering about is, and this might sound crazy here boys and girls, stay with me. you ready?

Why fucking lie to us.

[–]Trolly-bus [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

I don't think it was a lie. They just didn't think about the consequences of solo queue over enough, and when they started to actually implement it, they realized that the two queues cannot co-exist, so they scrapped it.

[–]IryshemanAsk Questions While PUNCHING [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good thing overwatch is fucking fantastic. I'll raise my own voice too, but people literally need to ehem RIOT.

[–]SwordSmith0 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Honestly this looked like a ton of Riot PR bullshit. I'm not seeing any logic in most of their points, and I'm not seeing any discussion at all. They just restate the same facts and shoot scarra and gbay down without addressing their opinion....

[–]WTFIsAMeta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Moral of the story: Don't try to fix things that aren't broken. (Solo/Duo Queue, Ranked 5's, Team Builder)

[–]tthrow22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What a frustrating video to watch. Scarra is bringing up so many great points that just get completely deflected and ignored by the rioters who just begin talking about these secret "metrics" that they seem to base literally every decision on. How'd these "metrics" work out for you guys in this iteration? Gbay kinda seemed like he was mostly just saying what Riot wanted to hear but scarra was super tuned in with relevant issues that Riot does not seem to have any solution to.

[–]ZeroAffinity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow. Riot actually doubled down on Dynamic queue. So begins the great migration to Overwatch...

[–]SKP23en [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

GG Riot, keep trying to fetch us the whole "party" system you have been pushing these last months and you'll see your game driving off solo players.

[–]o__________________e [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

With this article it is borderline necessary for them to bring back ranked 5s or a system similar to it. If they're going to restrict the number of premades that can be in diamond+ queues, then that leaves normals as the only possible practice for organized groups at a high level. That is not okay.

[–]Triumph_Of_The_Ill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm glad they're looking at primary / secondary role requests having different priorities. As a Mid / Support main, I'm glad to play Support more than Mid...but not at the 35:1 ratio I currently have between the two roles.

[–]Narog1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Riot assuming the increase in player in Ranked and lower toxicity is due to Dynamic Q but they have never try the new champion select with SoloQ , they have only try it in Dynamic queue , maybe SoloQ with the new champion select is even better, honestly they better come up better reason than this one.

[–]heartfixed[Gehenna] (EU-W) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Plays Video
"We're not bringing back Solo-Q"
Alt-F4

[–]pimo91 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Time to Uninstall league... what's some other hip, new games? Or should I start adulting forealz

[–]LaReddito [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Scarra 1v5 the riots at table ez, but no seriously they had such bad excuses and dynamic que is seriously bad

[–]ShrekPride [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

there is nothing to improve :D the queue is fundamentally shit :D ffs riot you dumbfucks :D

[–]SpaceBugs[Flt Lt SpaceBugs] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Is there anything good at all in this announcement? I'm so glad Overwatch is out now. None of my friends even play League anymore, so dynamic queue is completely awful for somebody like me. Thanks, Riot, I don't want to give you my money or time anymore!

[–]SquidBoladoPM UR SQUID PICS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Offside point that is probably very unpopular: all their swearing in this video hits me as a little unprofessional... This is pretty much an official Riot announcement and throwing the word "fuck" every 3 sentences to emphasize your point seems a bit childish. And this is coming from the Riot employees. The two players themselves barely swore.

[–]PorojenKuningas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This was the video where riot brought people who were ready to say we fucked shit up and theres no soloque. They also took well known people who werent too aggressive against them. Riot mentions "data" they uncovered but they dont tell us what the data is. The whole video is bullshit. I'm contemplating on quitting league. Riot is slowly going to full on OVERKILL (the game company) on its players.

[–]Mercyfulfait2g Army [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They are killing their own game.

Id like to see one of those graphics where someone takes all the words in this thread just to see how many times overwatch was mentioned.

[–]Grrv[Grrv] (NA) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It just baffles me that Riot would remove solo queue while trying to create dynamic queue with solo queue elements. It's like dying a red shirt blue instead of just wearing a blue shirt.

[–]Pakiepiphany [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol fucking riot games fucks up solo queue and somehow making dynamic queue even worse by not allowing teams to have any avenue to practice besides scrims? As someone who has been playing since beta this is the first time i think I will actually uninstall league. Sad day, it was fun but all good things come to an end eventually.

[–]mofothehobo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow they somehow made the situation even worse.

[–]Cosm1cStardust [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure, this post marks the beginning of the end for League. Jeez, I for one welcome our new overlord Overwatch.

[–]kavinh10 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

where's that damn rito fanboy who kepted making excuses saying riot would fix everything cause they promised to and made a huge thread on it? well i hope he's happy now fck him.

[–]Nathan7177 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Bye league was fun while it lasted /

[–]g0cean3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wait a second. Above Diamond 5 you can only trio-queue? So Dynamic queue doesn't really exist? It's now randomly triple queue?

edit: Hahaha and now you have even LOWER chance of getting your desired role in high queue but the queue time for your game as a support or off-role will be quite short. I'm dying. This won't effect me at all but these are such random and probably negative changes for high elo players

[–]albert2006xpNo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So no Solo Queue. No Ranked 5s. No premade 5s. Just a weird combination of all the above, that's none and is awful. Good job, Riot. Just when you thought you can't make things any worse.

[–]Edgegasm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you don't care about Solo Queue, what I'm about to say does not apply to you. I also understand if you think I am being overly dramatic, but I want to make one thing abundantly clear: I enjoy the solo aspect of the game, I enjoyed the climbing experience when I was dependent on only my own skill, and I enjoyed the rewards of attaining a rank by my own performance alone.

Now, Riot have officially cancelled Solo Queue. Whether they planned that from the start or 'stumbled on to new data that made the decision for them' does not matter. What matters is that if you are a player who enjoys Solo Queue specifically, this game is no longer targeted to you. Riot have made it abundantly clear that the demographic they want to pander 'ranked' to is a more casual playerbase. This is absolutely fine. From a business perspective, it makes sense. But Riot are flat out refusing to make any allowances for those of us who have preferred the options that were available to us in the past. So we should flat out refuse to pay for a game that does not care about our opinions.

Do not stop playing League if you enjoy the game. It is free to play, it is fun to play. But if Riot don't want to let you enjoy the game the way you always have, then you should not pay them a damn cent. No merchandise, no RP. No skins, no Hextech Chests or Keys. Riot have decided to completely brush you aside. Don't reward them for it, and don't roll over like they expect you to.

I'm not expecting us to make much of a difference. But there are enough of us passionate Solo Queue players to make a dent and give them a great big FUCK YOU.


PS, Solo Queue BS aside, what are they planning to do without Ranked 5s for high ELO teams that want to break out? Seems a bit silly to limit premade party size in that ELO if it's the only option for ranked.

[–]Zeruel_LoLEdgelord Supreme [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Tbh we just need teamranked back now since dynamic queue is heading in a good direction.

EDIT: Forget about that.

To address position shortages, we’re adding an autofill mode that can trigger when queue times are too long. If players enter queue with excessive estimated wait times, the matchmaker will potentially assign them a role other than the two they selected.

What the fuck is this shit. Why even have dynamic queue in the first place. Wow.

[–]fhytqdsa [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sucks that league is probably going to die because of incompetent people making these decisions at the top, guess its time to switch to overwatch

[–]PandasRUss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well who the fuck didn't see that coming?