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MisleadingSuperhot has accepted Oculus's bribe; it is agreeing to align itself with the VR exclusivity disaster, bringing console wars back to PC (self.pcmasterrace)

Woofington が 投稿

Its important we let it be known that we don't support bringing console wars to the PC, which is exactly what Oculus is trying to do by bribing developers to create content for their store which is not hardware agnostic.

Has there ever been a game you couldn't play because you didn't own an Asus monitor? No? Then why should VR be any different. Oculus is trying to bully the market into accepting software exclusivity as a defacto standard of the VR marketplace but it is not and should not be. The PC community should not become more like the consoles, fractured and exploited.

Superhot is choosing to accept Oculus's bribe and become an Oculus exclusive title which means (without hacking or utilizing third party injectors) the game will not be available to Vive or any other HMD users. This is bad for PC gaming as a whole.

I myself was very interested in Superhot VR, but at this point in time I don't want to support any company that is going to further console-ize the PC community. We are PC users, and we are hardware agnostic.

We need to vote with our wallet and say "We are PC, we are not brand specific!" Don't support this game and its ludicrous attempt to splint the PC community into two camps.

tl;dr: By accepting Oculus's bribe to only develop for their store, Superhot is effectively making the PC gaming community more like consoles, splintering the player base because of Oculus's refusal to support headsets that are not their own, throwing the long had tradition of hardware agnostic software out the window.

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[–]TheAppleFreakI push buttons and make pretty lights appear[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (30子コメント)

For anyone interested, here's the blog post in question where they announce the VR version.

What's worth noting, I feel, is that they only mention they've been working with Oculus on the VR version of the game. Nowhere in the post do they mention it being Oculus exclusive:

We’re now working super close with the guys at Oculus to release SUPERHOT VR later this year. We’re really trying to capitalize on all of the new design possibilities that Virtual Reality is giving us.

*Stuff on what VR in general brings to the table*

*gifs of people looking silly with VR headsets on*

Maybe I'm not cynical enough for you guys, but I don't see how this automatically equates to it being an Oculus exclusive. For all we know, they'll work on a version for other headsets.

EDIT: Alright, I'll eat my words above. I checked the Superhot subreddit, and when asked about Vive support a dev said:

For now we concentrate on Oculus.

Make of that what you will, I suppose. I'm personally still hopeful that they'll focus on the Vive later...

EDIT 2: As was pointed out to me in the other thread, this is a lighthouse for the Vive in their office which I hadn't noticed before. I'd imagine right now they're trying to get the base VR version working on the Oculus, then focusing on tuning it for the Vive once that's ready. As a guy who has done software development, I can say from experience it's usually best to get a base working on one development target first before figuring out how to make it work on everything else.

[–]kaywalsk4930K Fury X 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

There won't be a war if people just stop buying rifts. You can have all the exclusives you want, but if there's no one to play them your company will fail.

[–]DoctorBagPhD 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

Literally sold mine today. Fuck Oculus, I want no part of their shit.

[–]SwallowRP 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

What would you recommend for mine? EBay? Craigslist? I wanna sell it at price

[–]mattmonkey24i5 6600k, 16GB DDR4, 980ti SC, Win 10, triple monitor 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shouldn't be hard considering people who preordered still can't get their preorders fulfilled.

I'd say Craigslist for the nearest large city. Craigslist has no fees and just meet somewhere public like Starbucks

[–]wtfamireadingdotjpg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most police stations are cool with Craigslist transactions in their parking lots, some even have designated areas in their lots with cameras and a street light overhead.

Wouldn't be a bad idea for a $600 transaction.

[–]ExplosiveMachinei5 6600K R9 290 8GB DDR4 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

i mean, you don't have it, someone else has it, and occulus still got the money.

Honestly if you've bought it you might as well keep it, Facebook already has your money.

[–]StarlorbR9 290 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

However if u sell it 2nd hand ur keeping Facebook from getting the revenue of selling amother rift, as 2nd hand doesn't give them any money except possible revenue from games

[–]Im1ostAMD FX-6300, AMD 7950, 8GB RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the money you get back can be used to support the Vive.

[–]iNToXiQatorGTX970 / i7 5820k / Vive 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

unlike all the console peasants, the guys over at r oculus know that Oculus fucks up regularly.

They just support the rift bc they did in the dk1/2 age..and bc its more comfortable than vive

[–]M5skeetXFX GHZ 7970 amd x6 1090t 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

some people just like the simple life, the sheep life.

[–]impingu1984i5-3570K @ 4.7Ghz | GTX 980Ti 217ポイント218ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously.... Fuck Oculus... Fuck Facebook.

I'd Fuck Fuckbook in the Fucking Oculus

[–]Nonor64 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man don't talk like that about Fuckbook, what about all the hot singles in your area?

[–]CorruptedFilesIntel i7 4790K | G1 Gaming GTX 980Ti | Corsair 16GBRAM 82ポイント83ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not a problem, im patiently waiting until the 2.0 version of Vive comes out, until then, im enjoying the show watching facebook ruin a good peripheral.

[–]BillNyeTheRussianGuyCore i5, 6GB RAM, 720P 😁🔫 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like watching a brand new Porsche hit a wall in a crash test. You like to watch, but then you realize what just happened and you get sad because something really nice just got fucked up with some dummies behind the wheel.

[–]SherlockHomeless221b4790k @ 5GHz, 2 Furys, Corsair 16GB, Maximus VII Formula 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is just...beautiful

[–]TheSteelPhantomi7-4790K | EVGA-980Ti Hybrid | 16GB TridentX | ASUS 27" 1440p 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except in a crash test's case, it's to improve the vehicle overall for the future drivers. The exact opposite of what Facebook is doing to VR.

[–]digital_end 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

The standards and precedent set in this generation will shape the next.

[–]Tactical_Wolfhttp://specr.me/show/88b 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

Elite Dangerous did it well. It runs perfectly with Vive, and perfectly without.

[–]Woofington[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah cause they weren't "Oculus Exclusive"

[–]ArszillaHP Pavillion G6 1246-ee | i5-2430M | AMD HD 6470M 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wait CMDR, could you fill me in? I have been away from the game for a while now.

[–]Gnome_0 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

before update 2.1/1.6 elite dangerous had a problem with the vive (max res of 720) now its fixed and looks great on both systems so no exclusivity with elite dangerous

[–]ArszillaHP Pavillion G6 1246-ee | i5-2430M | AMD HD 6470M 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Braben is a true god lol. Doing the best for PC, supporting both VR sets.

[–]el_f3n1x187AMD FX 8320 / GTX 970 / 16gb Kingston Hyper X 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hold on my friend, there are still a ton of issues in ED that need a fix before we hand out that honor.

[–]Nintyboy245PC Master Race 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually the fixes haven't been implemented yet, they just tweaked a few other things in the meantime, but their main "Aliasing tweaks" haven't been put in yet. So it'll be looking even better soon. :)

[–]Lyco0n3770k 4.4 GHz 980 ti G1 gaming, 1440p144Hz+Vive 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is sstill fucked aa does not work, actually game with AA looks way worse.. they have a lot to fix still

[–]eric5949Beefed up gaming PC. Such cinematic, much wow. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am so buying a vive now. Or at least a 2.0 version

[–]ComradeHXSteamID: ComradeHX 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yarr.

[–]jac2ob 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

honestly, I don't like to pirate games but after this fiasco I just might.

[–]ComradeHXSteamID: ComradeHX 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Piracy was only easy when facebook forced the hands of developer of ReVive.

They deserbe any loss of revenue for their distasteful attempt at creating walled garden on PC.

[–]Carnifekthttp://specr.me/show/6c4 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck it.

Let's pirate fb.

Yarrbook.

[–]timetopat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think pirating the game will get across the message that you don't like oculus and Facebook and their exclusivity . They might double down on drm and things like this if it happens. I've never seen a specific issue fixed by pirating the game . If you support competitors and don't support oculus then I think they might help more.

[–]_012345 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post OP

[–]Stoyfan 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck oculus.

This isn't innovation, this is literally just barring people from being able to enjoy games with their own harware. There is nothing special about it. All this is doing is punishing gamers, like us.

What should we do? Well stop supporting oculus. Don't buy any of the products. And educate others not to buy it and tell why exclusivity is bad. Spread the word.

[–]shinyquagsire23Arch Linux | FX-8250, GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like really, developing for the DK2 for Oculus' SDK already felt kinda gross because everything was super specific to their headset, I mean it's their SDK but they're not even trying to foster a culture with multiple headsets being possible at all, they just want their's to be the only one. At least Valve helped out with OpenVR which is a central API for multiple headsets to target. But Oculus lost my trust as soon as they dropped Linux SDK support for the DK2, that is not how you treat developers trying to develop for your platform. Even worse, they just said to use the older SDK in the mean time, but the runtime was already broken in the first place to the point where I couldn't even use my 144Hz 1080p monitor with it without breaking their EULA (probably) and hacking a fix for their service. Now the CV1 is out and Linux support is still "on the roadmap". How are developers supposed to develop for a platform which is just "on the roadmap"? Like, you literally can't, and it's crappy for anyone who bought the Rift for Linux in the first place, like I did.

But the whole idea of exclusivity is dumb in the first place, because it's like saying you can't run a game with one kind of mouse or one kind of monitor, I mean there isn't a standard for it yet but even then they're trying to enforce exclusivity with DRM, which really isn't all that cool.

[–]Stoyfan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh blimey, so you are suggesting that occulus doesn't even care about developers?

[–]3aglSloth Masterrace | U PC, Bro? | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r7NKFT 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well fuck us I guess. Vive 4ever

[–]thioskSpecs/Imgur Here 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, at least until theres another entry that doesn't try to turn it into a walled garden.

[–]xwatchmanx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Console gamer, here. I really hope this gets resolved for all of you. Console wars are absolute bullshit.

[–]IanFrisbyi7 4790 | 16GB RAM | GTX 980ti 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

I didn't think much to the game anyway. Got real old real fast.

[–]remembertobenice 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can I finally shit all over superhot? guys? It's less impressive than some newgrounds games from a decade ago.

Exclusive? It should have been an exclusive game on the fucking google play store.

[–]jersitsOnly DotA Matters 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's less impressive than some newgrounds games from a decade ago.

tbh this is how I feel about 60% of indie games. Todays $5 steam games are yesterdays free flash games.

[–]Myenemysenemyfx6300/r9390/4TBhdd/120gbsamsungSSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Newgrounds games are the shit

[–]TessellatedGuyPeasantDestroyer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I expected better from superhot devs...

Just no..

[–]Lunatitchi5 2500K, MSI GTX 970 Gaming 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I bought it ages ago :( too late to get a refund from Steam now. Exclusives are cancer.

[–]WeWillFallTogetheri5-6600k@4.6GHz/980 Ti/Glorious 1440p@144Hz 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. It was fun, but I'll be giving it a negative review for the Oculus exclusivity.

[–]JackM10 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want to purchase a GearVR, but I don't want to support Oculus' practices. I'm so conflicted!

[–]BranFlake5i5 3570k, GTX 670 FTW, 16GB Vengeance Ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just get a Google cardboard or check aliexpress for more advanced models. $20 max and you can get a taste of the experience. It won't be as polished as the Vr, but its a fun purchase.

[–]the_loneliest_noodle 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Question, is there anything I can do as someone who has already purchased and played the game to "vote with my wallet"? I don't support this, but usually it's before a game comes out that I can just say "Well, was going to buy X, but..." I feel like I've supported a shitty practice now.

[–]TheSteelPhantomi7-4790K | EVGA-980Ti Hybrid | 16GB TridentX | ASUS 27" 1440p 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try to refund it. If that doesn't work and you're stuck with it, give it a big fat negative review and detail why.

[–]Woofington[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If possible ask for a refund.

[–]TreatmentForYourRashCeleron J1900 | 2GB RAM 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

<3 Revive

[–]Nigerianpoopslayeri5 4670 + 980 Ti 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't the Vive the better VR headset anyway? I've literally never heard anyone say that the Oculus is better than the Vive, so it's not like people will buy their shit anyway because of exclusive games. At least that's what I hope, because that's a shitty business practice we don't need.

[–]_El_Cid_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Vive is the better headset - but Oculus has Facebook behind it. Even with all their fuck-ups, they are still much more popular than the Vive sadly. :(

[–]AndaelasSteam ID Here -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll say it. The Oculus is a better HMD. The Vive has remotes and roomscale however.

But the Oculus is a better HMD.

[–]Tuxyyyi7 6700k 16 GB memory GTX 970 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The capitalist fascists strike again!

[–]Cipherx02 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming there aren't any hardware or software compatibility issues that prevent vive or any other HMD from working properly isn't this just going to open the flood gates for piracy?

[–]SpodermanWinsSpecs/Imgur here 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now I don't have to buy it.

[–]ash0787i5-4670K, mini GTX 970 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

superhot was initially meant to be a VR title I believe, it kind of went under the radar for a while but has now appeared again, its lame if its another exclusive.

They were never meant to be doing 3rd party exclusive games originally, just ones that they funded like luckeys tale ...

I noticed most of the more interesting / substantial rift games like The Climb are not on Steam :(

[–]BoTuLoXFX-8320, 16GB RAM, GTX 970, Arch Linux Master Race 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad I didn't buy SuperHot. It was short as shit, expensive as fuck, and now they're willingly playing along with ruining VR for everyone.

[–]virtualvoltGTX 980 / i5-4690K / 8GB RAM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

damn I was really looking forward to picking up Superhot too. Guess I'll get Stardew Valley instead, that also looked cool.

[–]Runnin_Mike4790k @ 4.7GHz / GTX 980 Ti / 16GB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't seem like as big a deal now because it's happening with a small indie title like this but when a big name studio announces a game that's a Rift exclusive, it's going to be hard to not see the similarities to the console wars. I wish they would just try to compete by just having better hardware instead of this poor for the consumer business practice.

[–]Ranzera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, blacklist both.

[–]adspets 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't always jump on the consumer protest bandwagon that easily. Sure there are often business practices to be condemned, but is it always worth it foregoing a cool, well made product? In this case, the answer for me is an indisputable yes. Console tactics are a significant risk to the open PC ecosystem. People who care about that openness should flat out refrain from buying Rifts.

[–]Lenwe_CalmacilCore 2 Duo | 2GB RAM | Intel Integrated HD 4000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I ain't buying a rift evuh unless they fix themselves up

[–]Ofactoriali7 4770k // GTX 980ti // 8GB RAM 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I hate is that I can't find any VR titles on my usual sites for games piracy. Part of the reason I bought the Vive over the Rift is that I didn't want to support Oculus's bullshit. That means I also don't want to buy anything through their online store, or otherwise support Oculus's exclusivity strategy in any way (which would also include buying games that went exclusive). Even if I didn't have that objection though, the last thing I want is to buy a game only for Oculus to do something else to make it impossible to play those games on the Vive (like suing the Revive developer).

[–]Notelu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

actually i think this is a good idea because of REVIVE, this allows them to work on both Rift And Vive

[–]DiamondEeveeGTX 950/i5 6400/Gigabyte Z170xp-SLI/Wii U 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nvidia vs. AMD is a console war in itself.

I wish there was a 3rd or 4th competitor.

Now that'd be fun.

[–]ryiosSandy Bridge - WQHD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I don't own a VR headset yet.

I will wait over a year or more before I get one, and the winner will be clear by then.

[–]joaovitorbfFX-6300 | GTS 450 OC'd | 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thumbs up all the negative VR related reviews on the Superhot Steam store page.

[–]Harry_Pearce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, superhot would be better with vive controllers anyway.

Katana mode VR hue

[–]cyrux 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Super disappointed.

[–]LiquidEvilGamingMSI GTX 970,i5 4440,Intel 530 SSD,16GB DDR3,W10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Moments like these are why i'm glad at moment VR poses no interest to me.

[–]Yage2006 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For a market just in it's infancy, this is all very unfortunate.

Reminds me of the HD-DVD vs BluRay war, Which did great harm to that industry in the beginning as consumers didn't feel confident to make a choice not knowing which one would come out on top.

[–]allnamesfckintaken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's ok. superhot is one of the easiest games to replicate. it had a novel gameplay mechanic but it doesnt get to patent that. other than that, it barely has any art assets. any indie game developer can recreate superhot. a lot of people think that games can be copyright it and that's why people don't make games similar to each other but the fact is, it costs a lot to develop a game and if you can't make something different, no one is going to buy it. in this case, if superhot is stuck on oculus, someone will make it for other systems.

[–]godelbrot -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PAY FOR VIVE!

PIRATE FOR RIFT!

lets chant this

[–]sharksk8ri5-4690k || 970 || 16GB || 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

wasn't super hot an indie game? not much effort was put into textures and it seemed like one of the few first games that you make with unity, for the dev, that was just some quick and easy money cuz i don't think they really cared that much for the game

fuck oculus and facebook...

edit: judging from the demo and a couple of videos

[–]taiottaviosTranslator of the guide in Italian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

with this mindset even origin and uplay exclusive games are to banish, and I'm ok with it, but I don't know if people will ever resist to this siege...

[–]Ragnar__DanneskjoldDual GTX 980s, i7 4790k, 16GB DDR3-2133, 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I began planning to get a Vive the moment I heard Facebook got involved with Oculus. This just cements it.

[–]ThatFluxNerdNVIDIA 9600 GT/Pentium Dual-Core E6300 2.8 GHz/4GB RAM (old rig) -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Putting that aside, another DRM?!

And fuck Facebook, and the guy who made it. What was his name?

[–]BaronofsoupGTX 960 SSC/ Intel i5 4460/ 120 GB SSD/ 8 GB Ram/ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Something about the way this post was written is off putting.

[–]NotYourBroBrah -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably because it's all FUD. Woofington is this subs most fervent Oculus-hater, and while I think we're all on the page that exclusivity is a bad thing, he has a history of exaggerating rumors (like this one, there's no evidence of a bribe and they've merely said they're focusing on oculus first).

All in all, it prevents him from being taken seriously, as it should.

[–]Buxton_Wateri5 4690K | MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX | MSI R9 390 | NZXT S340 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Though why at all focus on oculus first? The vive would play the game so much better.

[–]NotYourBroBrah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A fair question, but that doesn't mean there's any proof of a bribe.

[–]AndaelasSteam ID Here -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Oculus is willing to fund development, their SDK supports a couple of features Vive doesn't, and isn't roomscale.

Roomscale development is different animal.

[–]KareleosBuilding a PC this summer! -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, VR will slowly fade away and become less and less popular...

[–]Andreww4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, you are so wrong on so many levels.

[–]namesii -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is the Vive doing better than oculus rift? Are they scared or something which leads to them making everything exclusive.

[–]AndaelasSteam ID Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The exclusivity is because they're funding development specifically for their hardware, and the contracts aren't preventing the companies from also developing for Vive. Valve isn't out there with a checkbook though, their exclusives are almost entirely in-house projects or need roomscale to work (so they wouldn't work on the Oculus anyway). Most of the exclusives Oculus is picking up weren't thinking about VR until Oculus showed up with a check.

[–]illpoetSTEAM_0:1:30452318 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

from what i gather the vive is destroying the rift in sales/reviews which got them panicing. But thats just my observation.

[–]NotYourBroBrah 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Based on sales? What sales data has been made public by both companies? Can you share, I seem to have missed that.

[–]illpoetSTEAM_0:1:30452318 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

i don't have any data, but since the vive is shipping right now, and the oculus is not, it has to be winning in sales. since oculus has only completed a small percentage of their pre orders

[–]NotYourBroBrah 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oculus is still shipping, for one, so you're wrong there, and you also don't know how many total batches they plan on making.

You have no evidence.

[–]illpoetSTEAM_0:1:30452318 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

i never claimed that i did. it just stands to reason, i've never once seen "i canceled my pre order" in regards to a vive.

[–]NotYourBroBrah 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you kidding? You have a very selective memory. People were apopoleptic right when shipping had started. Both camps had people cancelling (or at least claiming to) all over the place.

[–]illpoetSTEAM_0:1:30452318 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

what part of "I have never seen" is confusing you?

[–]AndaelasSteam ID Here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to see those sales numbers.

[–]DennisDKi7-4770K 3.5Ghz \ G.Skill 16GB \ EVGA 770 SC 2GB -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew shit was gonna happen when oculus rift became facebook glasses, glad i didnt give them 1 cent

[–]Guillzi5 6600k 4.5ghz / SLI 770s / I Google everything i know -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im not even considering buying VR in the near future, but when i do, i know what im not buying

[–]Proxish4770k 4.5GHz / EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0 1485/8002 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Super Hot is so focused and dedicated to VR, why didn't they pick the setup that has the best room scale support?

[–]sunfurypsui7 5820K | GTX960 | 16GB -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope the play at exclusivity wrecks Oculus. In the best case scenario a bunch of people don't lose their jobs and O.R. goes back to being an open platform. We cannot stand for this on PC. That said, I hope a bunch of programmers/developers/engineers don't lose their jobs for what amounts to business decision purely based on locking competition out of the market. Unfortunately for them, their management may have made a very poor decision.

We've seen companies lock their platforms before and unless they are Apple (who arguably locked their platform 30 years ago) it will kill their growth potential (or at least the growth potential of that platform).

[–]toyjazzer -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

tl;dr: format wars suck yeah, but don't pretend that computing is above brand wars.

I'm new to the PC Master Race but there's plenty of exclusivity and console wars and fanboyism. Despite being in a format war with consoles, PC components are their own war. My understanding is that Nvidia and Intel bribe the industry, both developers and press, to encourage developers to make games work better on their hardware, and for press to say their hardware is better. I'm no expert on technicalities, but I understand ATI and AMD aren't inherently worse products.

Distributors also engage in a distribution war. Steam is the supreme overlord of PC game distribution, and everyone else is a small player. Publishers like EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft have at times attempted (unsuccessfully) to combat Steam's dominance with Origin, Uplay, and the Windows Game Store. While this is a software war easily circumvented by installing YET ANOTHER platform, I mention it because I hate being asked to carry dozens of membership cards in my wallet or on my computer, and it makes me uncomfortable that one company would be so dominant. I've hated Uplay, but Origin was never anything to complain about, except that the Origin Store only contains EA titles (or at least it did the only time I used it).

As well, there is the issue of operating system. OSX, Linux, and Windows are a format war. For sound and video recording and editing, professionals just say "get a Mac", without thinking of why that may or may not be reasonable. For flexibility, gaming, and relative price, get a Windows PC. For power users and enthusiasts (who don't need to game), get a Linux distro. I think people have essentially given up on this format war and just accept if you have a Mac, only AAA studios with budgets to spare will bother porting games to Mac.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything beyond the introductory and optional university courses (unless you ask me about Java), but perhaps there is a legitimate reason for developing for one VR headset, the same way it's hard for some developers to competently port games (for example, Bayonetta on PS3, Arkham Knight and Dark Souls on PC)

Or I could be stupid.

[–]TheBestGoodUserNameIn the process of getting parts. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • The difference is
  • Games still work on AMD hardware, and where are not happy about the bribing situation.
  • AMD DOES NOT, currently have an answer to the I-7 or 1080, yet...
  • U play and the Microsoft Games store suck.
  • Ea and Ubisoft have a bad habit of selling crappy games.
  • True but that a little different. Why would you game on a mac? Linux is free.
  • its not. it is generally easier to develop for pc. and again this the equivalent to having exclusives FOR YOUR MONITOR! who under the hood are extremely similar.