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VideoPayday 2 removes microtransactions in its latest update. (youtube.com)

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[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 467ポイント468ポイント  (35子コメント)

Payday 2 is nearing the end of it's life cycle. Having fucked the most loyal of their fans in the ass, Overkill probably realized that the next game will sell way more if they try to win them back.

That's what the cynic in me says at least.

I won't forget how they treated the /r/paydaytheheist community with that dreadful AMA, Listo can still go fuck himself.

[–]avree 124ポイント125ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yep, Payday 3 confirmed. https://i.imgur.com/ZhjjrR6.jpg

[–]silverpanther17Abusing the Flair 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

that dreadful AMA

Link?

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://np.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/3q53ms/crimefest_is_over_ama_discussion_with_almir_on/

[–]Smacka-My-Paca [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That was fun, he got roasted every time he answered

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure did. And rightfully so, the amount of bullshit was unbelievable.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like a very plausible scenario. Especially given about what we know of Almir and his extremely low opinion of gamers.

At this point though I'd prefer they did just release payday 3 on unreal engine instead of more dlc for 2.

[–]avree 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also probably managed to capture some 'whales' who were willing to spend money on the game when they first released it, but now that player counts are drastically dropping, I doubt they're getting much money from micro transactions now.

So basically they're like 'fuck it, we screwed our fanbase over until the money dried up, now let's try to win them back so they can support us on the next thing.'

[–]Arthmost 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Out of the loop here, how did they fuck the fans in the ass? I used to enjoy the game a lot when it was released, got bored after 100 hrs and left, never checked up on it.

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the game came out, they promised there would never be micro-transactions:

We've made it clear that PAYDAY 2 will have no micro-transactions whatsoever (shame on you if you thought otherwise!)

With the so-called Black Market update they did exactly that, by adding a weapon skin system similar to CS:GO's "crates" and "keys". You would get "safes" as random drops and to open them had to buy over-priced "drills". The most audacious part was that the skins even increased the stats of your weapons.

Obviously this caused a huge shit storm from the community. Overkill organized an AMA with Almir Listo (the bloke in this post's video) to try and do some damage control. This mostly consisted of Almir telling everyone how well the drills were selling and how, therefore, the community according to him totally loved the micro-transactions. Despite everyone telling him to go fuck himself.

[–]The_Imperialist 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget to add that with that update came a "weapon rebalance" that played into the outrage. Most primary weapons became utter garbage, screwed most of their stats up and simple pistols all of the sudden became better than a armor-piercing heavy sniper rifle.

[–]micka190 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They said they'd never introduce microtransactions, and proceeded to add them in a pay2win form. Think TF2 and CS:GO crates, but with stats that matter. They then lowered the rate at which you gained xp and cash and made it so that the items you got from the crates gave you the normal amount of cash/xp, meaning you needed to buy keys to get the regular amount of cash and xp.

[–]hubCAPPS 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

They quite literally said "we will never introduce micro transactions", then implemented micro transactions.

[–]MovieTrialers 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're not a cynic, just not the idiot they are tying to appeal to with this blatant damage limitations stunt.

[–]siegewolf -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe...or maybe it has something to do with who had control over Payday 2.

[–]micka190 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't get that subreddit. They were treated like shit and half the time the comments are filled with people praising Overkill.

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

You mean nowadays? That's because everyone who got fed up with Overkill's bullshit left the place months ago.

[–]666lucifer 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can confirm, ditched that subreddit when I added Payday 2 to my Abandoned Games folder on steam. Shame, since I had 400 hours in it

[–]JamoJustReddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same here. I moved it to my "Trash" category. Overkill can go fuck themselves.

[–]The_Imperialist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was a free weekend and giant sale the same week the microtransactions and rebalance went out. They literally replaced their hardcore fanbase.(or tried, dont know the actual stats on that)

[–]iwasdoingthattoomuch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nearing? Shit its been dead to players who have played it since launch for a really long time. Good riddance

[–]Otadiz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Payday 3 is confirmed. https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/4lqg84/payday_3_confirmed/

[–]kevgm 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

I almost bit it, but yeah this makes a lot of sense, I don't know why do they think we need a PD3 tho? Why don't they just update PD2 instead with all of the missing features they've promised along the years? Maybe their cashcow isn't that profitable anymore I guess.

Just compare them to Psyonix who just added an entire new mode to their game for free, and you can see the different kinds these of people studios are formed by.

Edit: Missed a word.

[–]siegewolf 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Please no. They need to get as far away from the Diesel engine as possible

[–]kevgm 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wh.. what are you talking about?

[–]siegewolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Payday 2 runs on the Diesel engine. It's garbage. Payday 3 is a chance for them to drop the engine and make a significantly better game.

[–]kevgm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh I see, thanks for the explanation, there's so many engines out there nowadays that it's kind of hard to keep up with them all

[–]TachiFoxyi7-4770K, GTX 780, 8 GB RAM, Win10-64 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Quite frankly, Overkill now are part of Starbreeze. It's time they used the Starbreeze Engine (aka. Union Engine) instead.

For those unaware, it's the game-engine which powered the Syndicate-reboot (published under EA) as well as earlier versions powered both the Riddick-games (Escape from Butcher Bay as well as the remake Assault on Dark Athena). Visually and performance-wise, that engine was pretty good, at least with the Riddick-games.

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe their cashcow isn't that profitable anymore I guess.

Mostly just this. A new game will always bring more people and money than just making DLC.

And you can't really blame them for that one, Payday 2 has been out for a while now.

[–]kevgm 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I know, but I mean, really what does a new PayDay gives us other than somehow better graphics? It's not like they're story based or anything like that...

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

A new game engine with better graphics and physics. Maybe bigger maps. And just generally improving the game mechanics and adding new things.

Just because they don't have a story mode doesn't mean they can't do a sequel.

[–]kevgm 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair enough, I just don't think they do it for the right reasons tho

[–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they are a company so they do what makes the most money, as proven by the micro-transactions they don't care too much about "right reasons".

But like I already said, making a sequel to a game that came out three years ago is quite reasonable.

[–]whackamole2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They owe the community for their lies.

[–]greatdanate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have however promised to develop payday 2 for at least 18 more months so it still has some time left

[–]ZMOT7S 483ポイント484ポイント  (60子コメント)

"Hey I stabbed you in the back with a knife but I pulled the knife out. Can we still be friends?"

Sorry Payday... The damage is done.

[–]SkitsofRandom 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

Most of the speculation is that now that they own the Payday IP they are no longer being "forced" to put the microtransactions in by their owners. I don't know if I really believe this or not, but one thing I can be certain is that when the microtransactions originally dropped, rather than handling the backlash in a calm way Almir basically told the fanbase to go fuck themselves because the company was making more money that way. More than enough reason to keep me away.

[–]destroyermaker3570K, R9 290X [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

That would make sense if they didn't openly say they think the microtransactions are a good thing

[–]TheInfinityFish [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What were they meant to say? Publically go against the publisher's wishes? That's not how it works.

[–]destroyermaker3570K, R9 290X [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Say nothing or give a bs answer like 'we hear the community and are keeping their feedback in mind for the future' like everyone else.

[–]TheInfinityFish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I personally don't see it as any worse... the undertones in the video were pretty clear about who has been deiciding "what goes into Payday". It might have given them more negotiating power for the rights to the IP.

[–]productfred [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Not to defend them, but that's not how it works. If what we think happened actually happened, they had a gun to their heads while saying it.

[–]destroyermaker3570K, R9 290X [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I don't get that impression from the AMA but I suppose it's possible. It's also possible for developers to be greedy too.

[–]productfred [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Of course. I'm one of the day-one/beta players who stopped playing as soon as this all happened. I also made some mods for the game and stopped as soon as I saw what was happening. I'm just very perceptive of office politics at play. If my assumption is right, Almir had to roll with it if he wanted to keep his job. As much as it sucks, you can't verbally chastise your parent company.

However, that's a big if.

[–]destroyermaker3570K, R9 290X [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can't but you don't have to butter them up either

[–]BoboMatrix 40ポイント41ポイント  (10子コメント)

They are only going to realize how badly they have hurt their reputation once they try to make a new game.

[–]Geonjaha 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not sure about that - Ubisoft games still manage to sell well.

[–]AMusicianNamedJoe 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately Ubisoft (like EA and Activision) have a multitude of successful titles & IPs which mask over their short-comings & failures.

Overkill Software doesn't even nearly have that luxury

[–]LotharVonPittinsbergi7-4790k / EVGA GTX 780ti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ehh, knowing consumers, some people will remember how good payday 2 was at launch and get their new game because of that.

[–]kettesi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep. Reddit bitching will never change Ubisoft and EA because they cater to the gamers between casual and hardcore. They have consoles, and they'll buy a $60 game, but they won't dive into mechanics or business models and they're not active in gaming communities outside of their friends. There are millions of these gamers.

Payday is a small, small production with a much smaller, more hardcore userbase. Reddit bitching represents basically their entire userbase making a fuss.

[–]NecroticMastodon 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ubisoft games cater to a whole different audience, the type that doesn't complain on reddit and doesn't mind microtransactions. Ubisoft games sell millions on the first week, Payday probably has sold like 2 million over like 3 to 4 years at the price of 30-something dollars (originally) and frequent Steam sales on top of that.

Just not a reasonable comparison at all.

[–]destroyermaker3570K, R9 290X [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Iirc AC took a big dip and so Ubisoft decided to publish less of them

[–]whackamole2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On marketing, yes. These people rely on word of mouth, and that's not positive.

[–]Bossman1086i7-4771 @ 3.5Ghz/GTX 970/16GB DDR3 RAM/256GB Intel SSD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Payday 3 was announced today. So yeah. Good luck to them with that.

[–]jorgp2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol

[–]Muffinizer1 95ポイント96ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree they shouldn't get too much praise since they added it in the first place, but it's still noteworthy that they eventually did the right thing, and it's certainly better than doing nothing.

[–]tielknight4590/970 118ポイント119ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would have been noteworthy if they removed it shortly after introductions, not month and months later after they milked the playerbase.

[–]TheRealMe99 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

While they didn't remove microtransactions until now, they did remove the Pay2Win aspect of it pretty quickly.

[–]SemSevFor 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's been a year I think. I stopped playing the second they added these and im pretty sure it was around this time last year.

If they had rolled it back a couple weeks later and refunded everyone's transactions due to the backlash then I could have forgiven them for it.

But they just shit on everything and everyone for so long that it's not worth it. Theres better things to go play.

[–]denexiar 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Microtransactions were added in crimefest 2 which was last august/septemberish or thereabouts late sept. through oct. Definitely not a whole year

[–]Bigbigpops 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean its almost June. That's pretty close to a year

[–]denexiar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was mistaken about the start of crimefest 2015- it started in the last week of September and went through October, so more like 2/3 of a year, not that the distinction really matters.

[–]notclevernotfunny 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it's not even noteworthy, becausee they only did it now that they're putting out a sequel. It's a completely hollow move only for the sake of publicity, and if you think it's noteworthy, you're falling for it hook line and sinker. It's not "the right thing" if it's a completely self centered, manipulative move.

[–]whackamole2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

it's still noteworthy that they eventually did the right thing Damage control.

How fucking stupid are you people? They're doing this because the cash has dried up. Now they're gonna repeat the cycle. Why are you praising them at all for this?

[–]mclovin__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the payday subreddit they kind of suggested their publisher 505 games were the ones who put micro transactions in the game and since they gained control over payday from 505 they took the micro transactions out. so I'm kind of curious to know what actually went down and how much overkill themselves had a say in it.

[–]killerboyei5 4670K + GTX 980 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure, but at 0:54 they talked about having bought all the rights for Payday. Well they promised that no micro transactions will be added to the game, but weren't those the words of the devs? I don't know who also got the rest of the rights for the franchise, but this sounds to me that now when they acquired all of the rights, they follow their promise. Not sure if they were able to hold those micro transactions before hand.

[–]4iDragon 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah we can be friends. Lets get lobster.

[–]LevinSpliff 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I had lobster for the first time last night. Oh my god I've been missing out for 27 years.

[–]SemSevFor 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've never had lobster, but I'm not a seafood guy. Ive never liked any seafood. Is lobster any different?

[–]LevinSpliff 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's super good. I really enjoy seafood, but I live in the middle of a desert so it's expensive here. But man, lobster blows it all away. Super succulent, and even better with melted butter.

[–]BZJGTO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never cared for seafood growing up, but I found like shellfish (crab, lobster, shrimp, crawfish). I'd give those a try, especially if you're near the gulf coast and can go to a crawfish broil.

[–]DrMilkdad -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a good guy, I'm not a bad guy, I'm SEAFOOD guy.

[–]_beanz 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought the MTs where due to the publisher or something?

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    [–]Geddyn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That is exactly how I feel.

    I am going to be wary of every subsequent game they release because of how how they handled this entire fiasco.

    [–]Storm-Sage 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Yep. Not touching it or any game they make ever again. Just a matter of time before they do it again.

    [–]mnlop 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's like an ex, I'm glad they changed and decided to be a better human but I still can't forget what they did to me. I moved on to different games now, games in which I hope I can put as many hours as I did into payday2.

    1000+ hrs, no regrets just disappointed.

    [–]siegewolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was really mad and disappointed with them, but doesn't it seem a but weird that it happens the moment they get the rights to their game back from the publisher?

    [–]biodrones [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    They got negative feedback and responded positively. I'm going to reserve my cynicism for worse offenders.

    [–]ZMOT7S [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Responded positively six months after they said fuck you, we make more money this way? You and I have a different interpretation of positive response.

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      [–]BZJGTO 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So the safes aren't going to cost money, but there's still like 20 paid DLC addons, right?

      [–]Astealoth 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

      There's 7 paid mission packs that cost $44 individually, I'd say these are what's most important besides the base game. So right now to buy the game and all missions, ignoring weapon and skin packs it costs $64. If you wait for summer and winter sales it's a lot less, they're super aggressive in sale seasons. It's a bit tricky to pick through what's fluff and what's a good deal, but generally if it's got heist in the name it's core content.

      [–]Epicman93 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fortunately you can still play the missions if you dont have the DLC's. You just cant host them.

      [–]BZJGTO 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Looking at it all, there's $132 worth of DLC (not counting soundtracks). I'd say the weapon packs are the most important, as you can join games playing DLC missions, but can't use any weapons from DLC packs, and will need to collect parts through that shitty card lottery system.

      [–]GlazBee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Right.

      [–]GrumpyOldBrit 76ポイント77ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Their stats show the average player numbers for the last 30 days at 7.2k. Thats the lowest numbers since February 2014. They were killing their own game and Almir told the players he didnt give a fuck because they were making money.

      I'm surprised they had the gall to put him in the video. http://steamcharts.com/app/218620#1y

      [–]Jack1998blueBanter 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I went on yesterday for the first time in a while and noticed that it was deserted relative to a few months ago... Almir Jackass is posting in the payday2 subreddit and people are jerking him off like they've already forgot what an asshole he was during the backlash.

      [–]xavis 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      gamers are very fickle. almir knows that. do one thing right, and all deadly sins on the past never happened.

      [–]desterion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      That's because fanboy apologists are the only ones left there. Everyone else left during crime fest or shortly after. My group of gaming friends played quite a bit before then. Now we actively shun anyone who even mentions playing payday

      [–]djfakey4790k | 980Ti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Seems like a lot considering how old that damn game is. New games like Battleborn could barely reach those numbers and it's been out just a month wow

      [–]walter_jends 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Too little, too late.

      [–]Khao8 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I uninstalled Payday 2 when the microtransaction bullshit happened and I had close to 300 hours in the game. This is the first I hear of that game since then and I watched the video only to see what was happening with this game and it made me realize what I miss most about this game : The crazy awesome soundtrack.

      [–]dick_farts91MSI R9 390 | i5-4460 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

      used to have so much fun with this game playin with my friends but all the micro-transaction BS really put us off from it. might have to give it another try now

      [–]SkitsofRandom 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I uninstalled the day it started, seeing how out of control it was. I'm willing to give the game more of my time now though if they actually are removing this stuff.

      [–]barc0debaby 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Even before the microtransactions they were ODing on DLC.

      [–]Noahnoah55FX-6300/GTX 660/8GB Ram[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm reinstalling right now. Time to see what has changed since I left.

      [–]sandysnail 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They still have skins that give you stats

      [–]Kenooman 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So there are still stats on skin?
      Wankers.

      [–]DyLaNzZpRoi7 4770k | GTX 960 Strix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      'Let me just play the game for a couple of hours then speak on features that I clearly don't know how they work'

      Just an FYI, not long after the MT's were initially introduced, there was an update that made the stat boosts drop normally, as in, entirely free. Even then, statboosts did virtually nothing.

      [–]broccoli84 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

      everyone seems to be glossing over the part where they said they have acquired all the rights to their game now

      [–]Aedeus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      AFAIK they had plenty of say in being able to not have a micro transaction heavy game before, so I don't think that changes much.

      [–]Aedeus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't think this was done as a goodwill gesture. Their player base is stagnating and their updates can't seem to get them out from underneath the skid their in.

      [–]Thunderbridge 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm still waiting for the complimentary Jacket code they were going to send out to us Aussies, like, 14 months ago....

      [–]cTreK421 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Nice job. Already did the damage. The game has turned into a cash grab. If this cash doesn't result in a top quality Walking Dead game or Payday 3 then I'm done with this company.

      [–]ThirdEye07 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      If this cash doesn't result in a top quality Walking Dead game...

      But didn't you see? The Walking Dead game is a House of the Dead ripoff.

      [–]Master-Indig0 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That was the VR demo. It's a separate product

      [–]ThirdEye07 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I wouldn't put it past Overkill to shell out a half assed House of the Dead ripoff as if it was a full product after being a victim to the release of Payday 2 and everything that followed.

      Fuck Overkill.

      [–]SemSevFor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Im already pretty much done. The only reason I'll give either of those a shot is if Reddit says they are amazing and that they're worth giving another chance to.

      I doubt thatll happen. I will watch those games to see the shitstorm but that's about it.

      [–]ThePuffer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Damage has already been done.

      [–]pic2022pic2022 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck you Overkill. Fuck you Almir. You screwed us enough.

      If any of these people were smart they'd fucking forget your shit and never support you guys ever. You're a small developer who used to care about their fans and then you let it all get to your head and then one decision after another you fucked us over.

      Fuck you. Go suck a dick.

      [–]BigDecks 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      after the playerbase has vanished and they failed to listen to what their customers wanted months ago;

      TOO LITTLE TOO LATE YOU FUCKING RETARDS

      [–]FullMetalHeroi5 4690K, ZOTAC GTX980 AMP, ASUS Z97-A 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Too little too late doesn't even begin to describe this.

      [–]CamzoUK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What's done is done. Overkill can try and redeem themselves as much as they want but that ship has already sailed.

      [–]C3P-Os [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      What was the big deal with them anyways? Wasn't it just weapon skins?

      [–]narwhalpiguy 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Christ there's a lot of hate on this post. while it's true that Overkill have treated their community like shit recently, and it's atrocious that micro-transactions were added in the first place, at least they realized their mistake. So many other devs would have pushed all complaints under the rug and kept it how it was. Idk, I feel Overkill should at least get some credit for changing it back. You wouldn't see a post on saying "in the newest update overkill didn't stop all micro-transactions". /Unpopular opinion

      [–]badillin 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Unpopular opinion because its retarded.

      They arent removing it because the kindness of their hearts, they didnt suddenly say "guys, this might not be the best course of action", they are removing them because 1. They arent making enough money anymore and 2. They are about to launch a new game and they want to reel in all the sheep that jumped the fence when they where mistreating them.

      I hope their next game fails and they go broke, we need more examples of shitty companies doing shitty things going under because of what they did... and have it documented for the next company that has a "hit" and then fucks over their biggest fans for more money.

      [–]narwhalpiguy 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Hey man I get that it was fucking terrible of them to put in micro-transactions, I'm not saying it wasn't. I get that this is either a bs PR move or a way to get people back into the game. However, this doesn't change the fact that removing micro-transactions will make the game better, and I personally don't care their motives for doing it because it improves the game.

      [–]badillin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      ... ok i get your point now, you are right.

      [–]Bra1nDamage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I personally don't care their motives

      You should. They're going to pull the same shit on the next game they release, once everyone's forgotten how badly they messed up Payday 2. I guarantee it. Fool me once...

      [–]Vladimir_Pooptin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Whatever, fuck em all the same

      [–]silents429 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

      So without a bias viewpoint.

      Would this be a viable pickup during the summer sales without the dlc? Or is the game not worth it even with the micro transactions taken out.

      [–]Surefire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Payday 2 was a VERY fun game.

      Taking out guards stealthily, then hiding the bodies, watching and memorizing patrol routes, etc.

      The only issue right now is if there's enough people to play with.

      If you have friends to play with, I think it's an incredible game.

      [–]Noahnoah55FX-6300/GTX 660/8GB Ram[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

      The base game is great fun. One of the few good heist games out there.

      [–]duckmyfog 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      now payday 2 i'ma let you finish but conkers bad fur day is the greatest heist game of all time

      [–]Chrisgomez182 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      for real. something about a running money bag and hitting people with a bat makes the game way more fun than waiting for a stupid drill.

      [–]silents429 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Isn't it pretty much the only one? Is the base game enough content too?

      [–]Noahnoah55FX-6300/GTX 660/8GB Ram[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The Swindle and Monaco where also good from what I hear, but they both play entirely differently. PD2 plays sort of like L4D2 with RPG style skill trees.

      Base game content contains a good selection of weapons, with the more specialized ones in DLC. I have been getting along just fine with just the Gage Historical Pack. All the heists can be played as long as the host owns the DLC that contains them.

      [–]green715 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I would say definitely if you have some friends to play with, maybe if you don't

      [–]silents429 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What are friends

      [–]green715 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Idk, that's just what other people have said

      [–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Haven't played after the Black Market update which changed a lot of weapon stats, but before that all the best weapons were in DLC packs.

      Not to say that the base game isn't fun, you can still enjoy it.

      [–]MorphineBear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Maybe it's just me, but 100 updates seems like way too many for this game. It averages out to about 1 update per 11 days with gigabytes needing to be redownloaded for DLCs.

      [–]Panko_everything 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Payday 3 will still sell well; people are predictable.

      [–]fatal3rr0r84i5-4690k MSI Twin Frozr 970 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You're acting like Payday isn't fun. This isn't COD which only sells because of name recognition. If Payday 3 is anything like the first 2 then It will be very good. The only question is whether or not the circlejerkers on Reddit make up a big enough part of their playerbase to hurt sales.

      [–]SancZero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I played and out so much time when it was first out. They updated it constantly. MT's didn't bother me, I'll buy the 3rd for full price when it's out.

      [–]PeskyAustrian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Happy workers on happy mandatory hat day.

      [–]rascalrhett1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      BUT WHEN IS XBOX GETTING ANY OF THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

      [–]Gaphiltfish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Make a quick and scummy profit off of the players with microtransactions and then take them out to look good. This is Clinton-level sliminess.

      [–]plastic17 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      When will studio learn...

      You being a dick, people will stop playing your game because there are other alternatives out there.

      I'm looking at you Blizzard and your P2P heroes in SC2 co-op mode.

      [–]vulcan1122 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What incentive is there for them to make more then? Especially since you know exactly what you're getting ahead of time and it's not a random loot chance. Considering all the co-op missions are available without buying any of the SC2 games it makes sense to me. You get to play Raynor, Kerrigan, or Artanis for nothing and you're mad cause Abathur is $5.

      [–]GreatNorthernHouses 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Gamers never forget

      Oh wait, we forget all the time, such as the case with EA where we complain

      but then throw record amounts of money at them every time a new release comes out

      [–]Anon49i5-4460 / 970GTX -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Game has been shit since day 1. Its a full on grind 2 win bullshit.

      [–]abienz 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      What like, you have to play the game to win the game?

      [–]Cthaat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There's a massive difference between actually playing the game as opposed to the zerg rush it is now. Standing there shooting at hoards of tanks and cloakers gets old fast. But, hey, if you like mindlessly emptying magazine after magazine then who am I to stop you.

      [–]LeKa34GTX 970 | i5-3570k | 8gb | Win7 on SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most of the loot you get is random drops.

      Want a specific optic? Tough shit, you better get lucky. Here, instead have another copy of this magazine that you already have two of in your inventory. Oh and also, it only fits in this one weapon model. Which you don't own.

      [–]Anon49i5-4460 / 970GTX -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Some missions are fully impossible without unlocking tools and bonuses, which require considerable grind. It makes playing with friends who have different play times harder. The same issues KillingFloor 1 suffered from.

      And then they implemented a literal Pay2Win. I don't get why so many people enjoying sucking their dick, It was a such a terrible game.

      [–]bat_mayni7 4790k , 980 ti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Some missions are fully impossible without unlocking tools and bonuses

      what are you talking about exactly? You mean just the skill tree? Yeah, you are less efficient without maxed skill trees, but it is hardly impossible. It does not take a long time to reach 0-100 either.

      [–]0pie666 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      its too late. You should have done this before. Like... a couple of days after this shit was done.

      [–]whackamole2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Too late.

      [–]DarkKnightArtorias -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck this. They are like 2k and the abomination called EVOLVE.

      [–]InsaneFPSGamer1 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow, Payday looks like it may be alright to come back to. I'm one of the ones who left during Crimefest. I haven't checked since. Is it safe to come back? And how much will I have to learn if I do?

      [–]arcticblue12 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Stopped playing payday right after they added the micro transactions. Will probably throw it back into the rotation now that they're removed them. Not really worried about the cynical politics because the game is still tons of fun with friends.

      [–]Kvothe_brokentree [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Trying to inject some life into the bloated rotting corpse that is their community. A lil bit late me thinks.

      [–]DyLaNzZpRoi7 4770k | GTX 960 Strix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Coming from the guy that I'm willing to bet has barely played the game and is whining about it just to whine.

      [–]AngerIssuez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I loved this game, but it's too little too late for me.

      [–]LazerChicklets( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      TOO LATE HERETIC!

      [–]Rekuja [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Too late

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