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SpoilerAdelaide Byrd is a racist judge (self.MMA)

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Adelaide Byrd, better known as the individual who awarded Melvin Guillard the most bizarre and puzzling scorecard in recent memory -- a 30-27 over Jamie Varner at UFC 155. (For those that forgot, the remaining two judges awarded a 30-27 the opposite way, in a bout that saw Varner dominate Guillard with seven takedowns to zero.)

tonight, she was the only judge to score in favor of aljamain sterling over bryan caraways, ofc 1 fight alone doesn't prove anything, but she have an history of always scoring for the black fighter, she was also infamous in boxing for doing that, this is getting ridiculous.

not too long ago she was a judge for the ufc 195 event, and again there is 2 fight in which she scored the fight for the black fighter while the two other judges scored for his opponent.

at this point, this is not a baseless accusation, there is plenty of proofs of what she is doing, she has been doing it for years

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[–]Frozen_United States 368ポイント369ポイント  (22子コメント)

Call in Helwani.

[–]unibicyclops 95ポイント96ポイント  (8子コメント)

He nose

[–]ReemMyVeryFntstcBody 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

He smells crime and runs around on all fours like a hound

[–]owlfarm542Donate to water4.org 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

And is played by Dolph Lundgren.

[–]TheCocksmith 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

there's gonna be so much full penetration

[–]peachspecial 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now here's the twist... We show it.

[–]powerdab 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Helhound

[–]happytree23 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Might as well make him a scientist named Dolph Lundgren in the movie so people don't get confused. Wild card!

[–]dmh5688 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if his head is just one big nose? write that down!

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    [–]PNW__GuyTeam Kimbo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's busy. Stunt double for Adrian Brody.

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      [–]AHH_CHARLIE_MURPHY 232ポイント233ポイント  (63子コメント)

      She also was one of the judges who gave Garcia the W over Phan. I think she's just stupid

      [–]Vinnie_VegasAustralia 173ポイント174ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

      [–]rondarouseyy[S] 133ポイント134ポイント  (20子コメント)

      but even if its stupidity and not bias, she still deserve to be fired

      [–]FunktagalacticChina 22ポイント23ポイント  (18子コメント)

      Can you fire someone who's essentially a volunteer?

      [–]informate 169ポイント170ポイント  (8子コメント)

      You can politely decline their generosity.

      [–]SuperNaeni 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Wait, the judges are essentially volunteers? What do you mean?

      [–]JiuJitsuPatricia 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

      they aren't they are paid by the commission.

      [–]FunktagalacticChina 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

      They get paid sweet fuck all. Impossible to do it full time, or even part time. Actually, it's not a job. It's something you do in your free time because you care about combat sports and know that somebody has to do it.

      [–]tefoakJapan 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Or they sell their "vote" to the highest bidder... something like that, since these people get paid shit. If they really cared about combat sports why in the fuck would they stick around if they keep consistently fucking up decisions?? Something doesn't add up.

      Just a bunch of crooks.

      [–]pressburgSlovakia 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Never leave it to the judges

      [–]Kenny_Florini 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I understand the reasoning behind that phrase but it's like saying "Never leave a package in the hands of a courier." You can't be expected to travel across the country to deliver every package you post and you should be able to trust a courier. It's a phrase which shifts the blame from the judges to the fighters, though I know the intention is to say "You can't do anything about the bad judges. The only thing you can have any control over is the finish. Focus on that".

      It's the job of the judges to judge fights. They shouldn't be hired if they're incompetent.

      [–]pressburgSlovakia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I knew that someone would interpret it as if I was blaming the fighters.

      No, the judges are absolutely the goofs. I was just implying that there is a reason people say that... Judges fuck up, the only way you can be 100% that it won't affect you is if you finish it.

      Not saying it's by any means an easy thing, regardless of the level of competition.

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        [–]potatowned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        She's very qualified as a judge. Didn't you know she's married to Robert Byrd? His reffing has rubbed off on her. She's qualified by proxy.

        [–]idontreadpms 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Just checked her out over on mmadecisions( http://mmadecisions.com/judge/45/Adalaide-Byrd ), after checking out other judges in the UFC, that's not okay.

        Seems like she has been off her meds the past 7 months.

        [–]FAisFATeam - I don't give a fuck either! 14ポイント15ポイント  (29子コメント)

        Does she have any signficant credentials?

        [–]themootilatr 99ポイント100ポイント  (4子コメント)

        She's a mother. The hardest job of all /s

        [–]drinfernoddsTeam Johnson 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Bending at the waist putting DVD'S in the DVD player, I don't know how they do it! /s

        [–]TripseyHussleCanada 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        One of his greatest bits. "I thought roofing as a redhead in July was hard."

        [–]wayfarout 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Cutting crust off a PBJ sandwich is just as dangerous as working a crab boat.

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          [–]10pmStalker 62ポイント63ポイント  (17子コメント)

          Need a woman in the work place even if she's not qualified

          [–]spitfire9107Team Troll Face 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

          cool fact but one of the first ufc announcers was a female. I think during ufc 1-5.

          [–]evilf23Liberia 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

          commentator, not announcer.

          [–]7777777894Team Almeida 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Kathy Long. She's a fucking legend.

          [–]abcadaba 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You were not kidding

          [–]cgwriter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh shit, Static-X. Middle school flashbacks in an instant.

          [–]metamet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Jesus Christ. She's a gorgeous badass.

          [–]BigSquirtyPooIreland 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Gotta meet that gender quota

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            [–]Another_yearUnited States 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

            well, she's married to Robert Byrd, a referee in the world boxing hall of fame for his work in that sport

            [–]GeauxTiger 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            my dad was a pilot for a delta, i assure you no one wants my mom to take over and fly the 767.

            (and yet we're about to elect a President with the same "well my husband did it" credentials)

            [–]cyberslick188Khabib airlines 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

            On paper, Hillary Clinton is among the most credentialed nominees in modern history.

            You don't have to like her, I certainly don't, but her platform is not "hurr durr Bill did it women strong"

            [–]drinfernoddsTeam Johnson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Her husband is Robert Byrd, a longtime referee in boxing. I think he's the reason she's become a judge.

            [–]potatowned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Married to HOF boxing ref Robert Byrd.

            [–]VoodooStyleGermany 62ポイント63ポイント  (6子コメント)

            She had 6 split decision dissents (scoring a fight for the loser of a split decision) in almost 10 years from January 2006 to September 2015. Since December 2015 she already has 7

            Source: MMA Decisions

            [–]BobbyGabagool 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Could be money involved. I'd believe that over racism.

            [–]rahtin[🍰] 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

            That's the biggest joke about athletic commissions.

            I trust the UFC to judge fights 100x more than the NSAC.

            [–]kaltkalt 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

            If the UFC did the judging, hot prospects would always win. Think of the money the UFC lost when Holly beat Ronda. Hundreds of millions of dollars vanished in one headkick KO. They wouldn't do the same thing and cost themselves money with decisions.

            [–]rahtin[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I doubt it.

            If the UFC tried to prop someone up with a series of bullshit judging decisions, everyone would turn on the fighter.

            The UFC is already in the position where they get to make the matches, that's all they need to make somebody look better than they are.

            I think an Athletic Commission judge taking a bribe to call a fight a certain way is much more likely.

            [–]MMANewbie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But the fans will hate them for that.

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              [–][deleted] 153ポイント154ポイント  (35子コメント)

              I went through all the split decisions on MMA Decisions where she was the dissenting judge, and noted down the fight winner, who she picked as winner, and their perceived race (by me - see disclaimer).

              Year Fight Winner Perceived Race Byrd Winner Perceived Race
              2016 Larkin black Masvidal Hispanic
              2016 Caraway white Sterling black
              2016 Bunnell white Roman black
              2016 Tumenov white Larkin black
              2016 Tanaka asian Soto Hispanic
              2015 Hill white Magomedov white
              2015 Tukhugov white Nover white
              2014 Ortiz white Scoggins white
              2012 Varner white Guillard black
              2011 Ellenberger white Rocha Hispanic
              2009 Blackburn black Garcia Hispanic
              2007 Guida white Aurelio Hispanic
              2007 Gandulla black Padilla Hispanic

              Disclaimer: Obviously race identification is a controversial and somewhat nebulous process, but I thought it might be useful to just put down what I thought each fighter's "race" was in a casual way based only on their names and pictures. I assume that's generally all a judge would have to go on, and I'm guessing my perceptions would line up pretty well with the average American's, so I think it's a solid reference standard if we're talking about an individual's instinctive racial bias, which we are. The only ones where I wasn't really confident were Clay Guida and Dustin Ortiz - not sure if either is white or Hispanic? Anyway.

              It's not a huge sample size, but I have to say, it doesn't look like the least biased data ever. In 13 decisions where Byrd dissented, the Hispanic fighter never lost (6-0) and a white fighter never won against a non-white fighter (0-6). The rule Hispanic > black > other would correctly predict Byrd's decision in all of these fights.

              [–]iDoNinjaShitAustralia 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

              lol at the very least she is a terrible judge and needs to be removed solely on that basis. at the very least...

              [–]andyjonesxUnited Kingdom 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I think there's clearly a pattern here to raise eyebrows, but not enough to properly say one way or another. It would be interesting to expand it to include decisions she was right with, but number of rounds awarded that was different to other judges.

              For example, did she award Hispanic Fighter A 30-27 when other two awarded 29-28.

              That would increase the data with equally relevant data (and would potentiality rule out bribery, since her decision would not decide the fight).

              It would also be interesting to see split decisions she is on the right side of. To see the chance of a minority fighter winning compared to average.

              I'm not saying you should do all this, but it would be an interesting Freakonomics podcast episode.

              [–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              100% agree, it would be fascinating to see that sort of analysis - ideally for all judges, and lots of different potential biases.

              It's a real shame scores aren't generally released for fights that get finished, too. A lot of great data we're missing out on.

              [–]Thereal_SamBell 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think there's clearly a pattern here to raise eyebrows, but not enough to properly say one way or another.

              This is a statistical question too — how much does this deviate from the norm, how much "power" does the sample size have, etc.

              [–]drawp 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah-- I'm with you. It's easy to pluck out all of the outliers and call it a pattern.

              [–]ChunglesScotland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think there's clearly a pattern here

              Yes, incompetence.

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                [–]wheeyls 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

                You've got a really serious selection bias in your sample by removing all of the "successes" from the sample. How her scorecards look when she is NOT a dissenter is also important if we want to find a pattern in her behavior.

                Besides that, this sample size is really small, and spread over a really long time. I agree with others calling this a witch hunt, the evidence is extremely unconvincing.

                [–]Thereal_SamBell 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You've got a really serious selection bias in your sample

                Just on a point of order, selection bias is a particular thing in statistics. It's not a selection bias if the data is in fact the actual data. (And I have no reason to doubt that it is.)

                The next step would have to be done, which is to establish the significance of this data, which involves gathering the data on the number of fights in question, the races of all fighters, etc.

                If conclusions were drawn with this data, that would be totally wrong, and would be cherry picking.

                Without the rest of the statistical process, we can't say either way what the data suggests.

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                  [–]justwatchthetypist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  boxing here are some more of her sd's with her being the only cause of split

                  Carlos Molina Hispanic) > Ishe Smith (black)

                  IBF World super welterweight title

                  judges: Barry Druxman 116-112, Burt A. Clements 117-111, Adalaide Byrd 112-116

                  Bernard Hopkins (Black) < Joe Calzaghe (White) judges: Ted Gimza 112-115, Chuck Giampa 111-116, Adalaide Byrd 114-113

                  Vonda Ward (white) > Martha Salazar (hispanic) judges: Richard Houck 39-37, C.J. Ross 39-37, Adalaide Byrd 37-39

                  Probably a lot more, would be really interesting to get her cards on all the ones not decided by decision.

                  [–]Bonerdicks 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  It's really fucking clear there's a bias, if these fights were a coin flip she wouldn't hit the same pattern 10 times in a row. If you looked at the statistics and odds of this happening, where fighters are picked by chance, it would be close to nil. But it isn't by chance, it's human choice against overwhelming evidence.

                  [–]wheeyls 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  She hit the "pattern" 4 times out of 13, over 9 years.

                  [–]ciaran101 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  actually 10 out of 13. her preference seems to be, in order, hispanic-black-other. only scored a white fighter as winner when white was the only option.

                  [–]IronyHurtsJamaica 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  She scored Ishe Smith over Carlos Molina, so she doesn't always prefer hispanic over black.

                  There was also the case of an extremely close fight between Sanjarbek Rakhmanov (white) and Alfonso Olvera (hispanic) that ended in a draw, she had scored the bout for Rakhmanov. If she had wanted to, she could have easily given the bout to Olvera. It was extremely close, and nobody would have second guessed it.

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                    [–]tearyouapartTeam 209 - Real Ninja Shit! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Does she judge any boxing fights?

                    [–]LooterChris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure if I see minority-favoring judging, just confused if not bad judging.

                    [–]stackered 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    wtf that's serious

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                      [–]justwatchthetypist 121ポイント122ポイント  (17子コメント)

                      Wow gave anderson vs tom lawlor 30-27, anderson won, but 100% didn't win round one... wtf.

                      Also was the "split" in Larkin vs Tumenov

                      I don't know, jury still out for me, but I didn't even look into boxing. Her mma record is pretty bad, but then again I think weeks is even worse.

                      edit : holy shit she was the one who did give Nover vs Tukhugov the Split when everyone else on planet had it 30-27 for Zubairia Tukhugov vs Nover, she somehow gave nover two rounds???

                      that is some next lvl wtf.

                      edit the more you look into it, it's pretty fucking clear this girl has some serious bias.

                      This speaks volumes

                      "In 13 decisions where Byrd dissented, the Hispanic fighter never lost (6-0) and a white fighter never won against a non-white fighter (0-6). The rule Hispanic > black > other would correctly predict Byrd's decision in all of these fights."

                      [–]cbtrn 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Phillipe Nover is one of my best friends and I was totally surprised it was a split decision. I really felt it should have been a unanimous decision win for Tukhugov.

                      [–]mreliotrosewaterTeam UFC Shill 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Wow gave anderson vs tom lawlor 30-27

                      Oh shit that was her? Even Anderson said in one of his post-fight interviews, "Glad I got the win but that shouldn't have been 30-27."

                      EDIT: Sorry, replied to the wrong comment. Don't want to double-post so I'll leave it, but this was meant for the parent comment.

                      [–]bethisnicenow 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Are you @ Soca bjj?

                      [–]justwatchthetypist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      ty for being honest, I like nover a lot, but yeah I don't see how you can give two rounds to him

                      [–]WiserhoodGageCanada 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I actually had it 29-28 lawlor but the first round is completely not debatable.

                      [–]justwatchthetypist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That to me is the biggest wtf round maybe I've ever seen?

                      [–]SaintAloe 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      I had larkin winning as well v Tumenov, that was a deserved split I'll say. But point still valid.

                      [–]jurwell"If Aikido were easy it would be called Sambo" 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Adding my hat to the pile of having Larkin winning. Them spinning leg kicks.

                      [–]thraddest 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Current circlejerk aside, I think most people here had larkin winning.

                      [–]Ctofaname 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      You're getting downvoted bit I had Larkin as well.

                      [–]MMA_Sesh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I think he's getting downvoted because he said "deserved" split. Ideally no fight is ever a split decision, because it means the judges disagree. But I also thought Larkin won.

                      [–]lucyinthesky8XXTeam Garbrandt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I was at that fight live and had $ on Tumenov. That one was truly 50/50 and I wasn't going to be surprised if either won. Even a draw would've made sense.

                      [–]TavisssCanada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Haven't rewatched but I try to be fair on judges who only watch it once and then have to score. I picked Larkin over Tumenov in my first viewing as well.

                      [–]auto_alt 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Here she is discussing controversial decisions

                      Interestingly, she refuses to give 10-10 rounds. She doesn't believe in it and hasn't given one in over 25 years. I'm not surprised by that because I can't remember the last time I've seen one in mma or boxing, but it's interesting to hear a judge take a stance on it.

                      [–]NicenFlowyTeam Joanna Champion 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      In her most controversial judgement she prefaces the winning fighters name as "it was a Cuban fighter", the other fighter is just by their name (Brandon Ríos).

                      The OP is gonna love this.

                      Edit: When I say the winning fighter I mean in her (controversial) scoring.

                      [–]auto_alt 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I caught that too... she remembered the boxers by their nationalities.

                      [–]wineberry_over_gold 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Interestingly, she refuses to give 10-10 rounds. She doesn't believe in it and hasn't given one in over 25 years.

                      reason enough she should be excused from judging.

                      [–]Moronoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      when was the last time anybody scored a round 10-10?

                      [–]KyleSJohnson 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      First thing that popped into my head reading this was whether she was the judge that went 30-27 in the Corey Anderson/Tom Lawlor fight when Anderson in no way won the first round. It's definitely indicative of a larger pattern, and whether that pattern is racism or sheer incompetence, it ain't a good one.

                      [–]sipofsoma 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      whether that pattern is racism or sheer incompetence

                      Those two tend to go hand in hand.

                      [–]Whydidideletemyaccou[M] 178ポイント179ポイント  (35子コメント)

                      This thread will stay up. It poses some good points and definitely promotes discussion.

                      EDIT: I just stickied this post because it kept getting reports and I thought I should address it!

                      [–]saltymcfistfight 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      When did you become a mod? Congrats.

                      [–]Whydidideletemyaccou 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Thanks :D

                      Maybe about 3 weeks ago or a month, we got a handful of new mods to deal with the shitposts.

                      [–]saltymcfistfight 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Congrats man you deserve it.

                      [–]Whydidideletemyaccou 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That means a lot, I really appreciate it. I spend a lot of time here and I want to help make it a better community! If you have any suggestions feel free to send me a PM anytime.

                      [–]Bukkake__Tsunami 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Why would you feel the need to deal with /u/shanecarwin? Things are perfect the way they are.

                      [–]emma-stones-lispUnited States 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Congrats for becoming a mod is like congrats for cleaning up shit from infants at a clinic without pay.

                      [–]buzznightsCarlos 'the Natural Born Cuddler' Condit[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Thanks for laying one out for us.

                      [–]FunktagalacticChina 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      Throw up a spoiler alert please, some of us haven't gotten round to the early prelims yet.

                      [–]buzznightsCarlos 'the Natural Born Cuddler' Condit 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

                      Spoiler alert applied. Apologies!

                      [–]CarlosWeinerBermuda 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      If only /r/formula1 would do the same...

                      [–]JugsAndTugs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      NBA is the worst... Good luck missing a game and planning on watching it in the morning. (UK viewer)

                      [–]KLR08OaklandUnited States 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I stayed off /r/mma and facebook last night, only to have sports talk radio spoil it right as I got out of the car. .. they never talk about ufc! !

                      [–]JugsAndTugs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Oh fuck! No way, I suppose its good that mma is getting more out there but damn.

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                          [–]frickshun 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I was gonna post about this idiot last night. I held my breath in round 3 hoping Aljo would pull it out but he def lost the last 2. She was also the lone dissenting judge on a later fight but I forget which. She is consistently awful. Yet no repercussions.

                          [–]hornypineapple 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Referees should be judges. Former fighters should be judges. Anyone but these people should be. It'd mind boggling how they even get them in the first place.

                          [–]Crazyhawk28 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm too lazy to check but here are her stats http://mmadecisions.com/judge/45/Adalaide-Byrd

                          [–]spearo 25ポイント26ポイント  (19子コメント)

                          Wait, wasn't she the dissenting judge on the same card scoring in favor of Jorge Masvidal (Cuban Peruvian) over Lorenz Larkin (African American)?

                          http://mmadecisions.com/decision/7028/Lorenz-Larkin-vs-Jorge-Masvidal

                          [–]LeftLegCemetaryCroatia 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          She don't like what Lorenz does with his hair.

                          [–]GanjaMakeFinland 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          From what i found by going through split decisions she was a part of, she seemed to prefer minorities, and if it was between two different races of minorities, she preferred the hispanic.

                          [–]platipus1 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

                          There's another counter-example when she was the dissenting judge voting in favor of non-black fighter, Edgar Garcia, over a black fighter, Brad Blackburn.

                          http://mmadecisions.com/decision/1258/Brad-Blackburn-vs-Edgar-Garcia

                          3 or 4 examples from something like 150 fights scored isn't evidence of jack shit, even if there hadn't been any counter-examples. This post is witch hunting trash. The mod comment up top is fucking embarrassing.

                          [–]Larry_LiptonTeam Helwani 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          The mod comment that affirms that we have the ability to freely discuss a subject is embarrassing?

                          [–]platipus1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You want to freely discuss her racism or her quality as a judge? Because one of those discussions isn't what I come here for. I know the shitfests the general population here likes to get into regarding Islam. I've also seen upvoted posts that make attempts to defend Joe Rogan's "Planet of the Apes" and "body of a black man, mind of a white man" comments. I don't come here to see what the state of r/the_donald is like.

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                            [–]buzznightsCarlos 'the Natural Born Cuddler' Condit[M] 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            The mod was referring to the fact that the reports were enough to take it down. It's fostering discussion so he decided to leave it up. So we're damned if we take stuff down and damned if we leave it up for the sake of good discussion.

                            [–]andyjonesxUnited Kingdom 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think there's no harm in leaving it. It's good to see the arguments each way.

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                              [–]snkifador 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              1. Granted OP made a poor case of it by singling it out as benefitting black fighters, but refer to this comment and realize your 'witch hunting accusation' is unfair. There is a pattern, and it doesn't need to constitute a majority of her scores in order to be significant.

                              2. The mod noted they were leaving it up despite the reports because it was sparking healthy debate. There's people agreeing with OP, and then there's people disagreeing with OP, such as yourself. Both sides with good visibility, especially the comment which I linked above which is neutral. The difference is your side is the only of the two which apparently wants to apply censorship.

                              3. He didn't sticky the thread, calm down and read his comment again.

                              [–]wolfticketsforsale 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Which fight was it that she preferred a white fighter over a minority?

                              [–]Pera_Espinosa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I think the accusation is that Hispanics, as Edgar Garcia is, are given decisions over blacks and that blacks and hispanics both are given decisions over whites.

                              [–]cgwriter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Edgar Garcia is Hispanic, the top of her judging totem pole if you look at her history.

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                                [–]Lapin08France 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                I want to believe it's just incompetence.

                                [–]Skillbo_BagginsCruz 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                She also "doesn't believe" in 10-10 rounds, even though the rules do.

                                [–]thebizkit23 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I just think she's a horrible judge, has no idea how to score ground heavy matches and is useless in a close fight.

                                I'm tired of boxing judges being considered capable mma judges.

                                [–]BigStereotype 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                She's not a good boxing judge either.

                                [–]ModeratorsAreDouchesIreland 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                What a Byrd brain!

                                [–]belov 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                she is well known as a racist in the boxing world, as well.

                                [–]TavisssCanada 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Can you provide a bit more detail for those of us not involved as much in the boxing circles?

                                [–]unwittyonelinerCanada 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Spike Lee-esque is Adelaide Byrd in her prejudice, Joe

                                [–]spearo 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                http://www.podindex.org/index.php/podindex/judge/1/mma/worldwide/all/0/0/

                                boxing, difficult fights to judge %with majority

                                • adelaide byrd 86.29

                                • world average 86.2

                                mma, difficult fights to judge %with majority

                                • adelaide byrd 84.05

                                • world average 87.35

                                with "easy fights to judge" she's above average with the majority in both mma and boxing.

                                [–]capfedhill 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Isn't the accusation for fights of color vs non-color though, not difficult/easy fights to judge?

                                [–]FunktagalacticChina 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                this should be higher up

                                [–]-Poe-Team Diaz 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Racist or not, she's clearly an awful judge. Not that the judging is great to begin with. Replacing her would be a small but positive step for mma judging.

                                [–]P1000123 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Agreed, that's the biggest part. She is doing a terrible job and should be fired either way.

                                [–]cody0r 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Adalaide Byrd*

                                [–]IM_CASTOR_TROY 37ポイント38ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                but she have an history of always scoring for the black fighter

                                Not true. Of all her dissenting split decisions, going back to 2007, she has scored it for the black fighter a total of 4 times:

                                B. Caraway def. A. Sterling 28-29

                                Z. Bunnell def. J. Roman 28-29

                                A. Tumenov def. L. Larkin 28-29

                                J. Varner def. M. Guillard 27-30

                                There are three dissenting decisions where she scored the fight against the black fighter, in fact one of them was the Lorenz Larkin/Jorge Masvidal fight from last night.

                                at this point, this is not a baseless accusation

                                That's exactly what this is and it's embarrassing to see it upvoted.

                                [–]Bonerdicks 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Why didn't you post the dissenting decisions where she scored the fight against a black fighter? Because there's another pattern? The three fighters she scored for are all Hispanic fighters, which doesn't prove her black > white bias wrong at all.

                                And honestly, how do you explain the decisions? So you think she's just an absolutely incompetent moron who has completely misjudged a ton of fights this year, and the fact that 7 fights have a clear pattern is pure coincidence. You realize if she picked a fighter based on a coin flip, she'd have less than one percent chance of having a pattern like that, right?

                                But it's not by chance. She's actively going against clear, majority decisions to pick the minority fighter over a white fighter, and a Hispanic fighter over other minorities (anyone remember Garcia over KZ)?. Having it happen this much isn't random incompetence.

                                I think it's pretty bizarre to act like there's not some sort of bias going on.

                                [–]CM_Holden 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                We need Jake Shields to investigate.

                                [–]kid_delicous 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                We need more of the facts. Since you brought it up and I'm too lazy please give more examples

                                [–]rondarouseyy[S] 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                she scored the first round of silva- weidman 1 in favor of silva ( the only 1 of the 3 judges that did that)

                                Two of the three judges who scored the fight for the 36 year old Calzaghe who is referred to as “The Prince of Wales” were white and their tallies were enough to overcome the 114-113 scorecard of Adalaide Byrd who is black. Judge Ted Gimza scored it 115-112 for Calzaghe while Chuck Giampa had Calzaghe winner by an even bigger margin, 116-111.

                                Boxing/Commentator Paulie Malignaggi called out judge Adalaide Byrd for her 119-109 score in favor of Austin Trout.

                                http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/5/27/5752492/dana-white-ufc-ultimate-fighter-controversy-keith-kizer-nsac-athletic-commission-steve-mazzagatti

                                and this only off the top of my heads, the stupidly ridiculous ones, would be easy to look for more

                                [–]VinceOnAPlanePunch Face Champion | r/MMA's P4P #1 Poster 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                she scored the first round of silva- weidman 1 in favor of silva ( the only 1 of the 3 judges that did that)

                                Wow, that round was definitely Weidman's.

                                [–]P1000123 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Wow, that's a bad one. Weidman was doing some serious damage from top control and definitely won that round. Anderson didn't land hardly anything even when he was doing his clowning bit on Weidman.

                                [–]sknick_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                She is a long time boxing judge that transitioned to also judging MMA. I would not be surprised if she didn't have as deep an understanding of MMA as she does boxing.

                                [–]deletedaccountsblow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Her boxing judging doesn't seem much better tho. Not saying she's racist, just terrible at judging.

                                [–]Datdude_717 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                She was the odd one out in the Larkin-Masvidal fight, but scored it for Jorge, not Larkin. Is this an exception?

                                EDIT: The UFC 195 fight you mentioned was between Tumenov and Larkin, and although she scored it for Larkin, that fight was a toss-up on the scorecards. In fact, I had it for Larkin after three rounds.

                                [–]de_gay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Her husband is usually a decent boxing ref.

                                [–]late2partyCanada 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Really serious accusations to not substantiate properly. Hopefully someone more capable can take the torch from here.

                                [–]JonBananas 24ポイント25ポイント  (117子コメント)

                                Black people can't be racist, duh.

                                [–]Prime_was_taken 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                There is nothing of value below this comment. Close this thread and move onto another discussion.

                                [–]Jeffy29 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Do we really need to start this shit here? She is a bad judge and possibly a racist, complain to authorities, lets get her fired. But lets not go down this retarded route.

                                If you guys start circlejerking about "black people can't be racist" and "she is there for the quota", you will turn lot of people off and authorities will see this as some "witchhunt on a black woman". But then again when was reddit ever smart in getting things done.

                                [–]P1000123 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                Quotas are real. There are many institutions that are putting minorities into spots based on their racial standing.

                                [–]heyimatworkmanUnited States Minor Outlying Islands 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I think the person your responding to's point is to shut the fuck up with that bullshit here.

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                                  [–]xjayrooxBryan Caraway's Hypnotist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance

                                  [–]lostdoritoTeam 209, WHAT 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  How do you even become a judge and why are incompetent people regularly chosen?

                                  [–]ProfessorAITeam Tate 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It seems like, at least from the examples op and others have given, she might have a bias against grappling. Which would make sense if she's a former boxing judge. She just might not score grappling as highly as other judges. Especially since others have pointed out that she doesn't always vote against white guys.

                                  [–]NicenFlowyTeam Joanna Champion 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  She's a bad judge, she's not the only one.

                                  Leaving this thread up will prove to be a bad idea.

                                  [–]ugodwu 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I hope this isn't true

                                  [–]OldCollegeJavelinUnited States 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  How come every time black people do something perceived as racist some white people act like their actions justfiy their prejudices? If this woman is actually racist, that's extremely terrible and she should never be able to judge again. But all of the sarcastic "black people cant be racist" comments are unnecessary. I thought this subreddit was above all of the subtle and/or blatant racism that's frequent on this site seeing as though there's so many different cultural backgrounds in this sport but I guess I was wrong

                                  [–]superyay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It's definitely not as bad, but with the recent influx of shit fans due to the sports rising popularity, it was bound to attract these shit heads.

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                                    [–]VinceOnAPlanePunch Face Champion | r/MMA's P4P #1 Poster 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    After reading all of the facts, I don't think she's racist.

                                    I think she's just a bad judge, which isn't surprising. We have a lot of bad judges.

                                    [–]ItsDrManhattanMexico 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                    Byrd is a bad judge who makes bad calls on the reg. She doesn't have some ulterior motives to score the fights in favor of the minority fighter though, jesus christ.

                                    As a non white male living in the states, it's bullshit that even on my favorite sub we start to see this race bullshit creep in. If Byrd was a white judge and scored some questionable calls for white fighters, fucking op wouldn't have even noticed it.

                                    Nothing to see here, just incompetence and some unfortunate coincidences. Don't sticky this shit post

                                    [–]nafraf 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    But she also has the reputation of favoring black fighters in boxing too .

                                    I don't think two fanbases of 2 distinct sports would come to the same conclusion if there wasn"t at least a questionable pattern in her scoring history .

                                    [–]Tsegen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I don't think two fanbases of 2 distinct sports would come to the same conclusion if there wasn"t at least a questionable pattern in her scoring history .

                                    Are boxing and MMA fans on different islands? Or maybe attitudes in one seep into others.

                                    She may be racist,but there's a pretty big flaw in "well, some groups of people agree...". There's a reason investigations and legal systems don't necessarily work that way

                                    [–]Jaykaykaykay 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yeah let´s just assume there´s no racist intent, like we always do.

                                    [–]PuxinFCanada 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So Byrd isn't racially biased and the OP noticed those questionable results because the OP is racist?

                                    [–]liftyourheaduphigh4 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Ah, we found another "blacks can't be racist" guy...

                                    [–]P1000123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yea that line of logic is amazing.

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                                      [–]Pera_Espinosa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      First, you don't know that OP wouldn't notice racism going in another direction. Maybe. But why should you be defensive in this instance? Why can't we all disavow anyone that is racist regardless of who is affected and what race we each are?

                                      She is so terrible, and some of her decisions are so off base - that people are bound to try and pinpoint what her bias is - because its existence is undeniable.

                                      We should all want for her to never judge another fight again above all else. We should be united in that.

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                                        [–]Libertines24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I think she's just a bad judge

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                                          [–]MoozusTeam 209 - Real Ninja Shit! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          No. She has some bad decisions but so would I if I had along judging career, strawman af.

                                          [–]MattR2752United States 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I was really expecting a bunch of nonsense when I saw this thread title but this has credibility. I hope this gets picked up by media. At the very least, racist or not, she's shown clear incompetence and shouldn't be judging.

                                          [–]I_KNOW_EVERYTHING_69Team Claudia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Aljamain got the first round easy, but lost the next two pretty convincingly even his face showed it at the end. Usually when I see atrocious scoring in fights first thing I think is bank accounts not racism. Quick google search of Adelaides name shows this isn't a isolated incident of bad judging. Whether she holds a bias towards other ethnic groups or not she is a shitty judge and should be fired regardless.

                                          [–]7mile_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          The UFC was able to get rid of Mazzaggati. Hopefully they can do the same for this bitch.

                                          How anyone can score that fight 29-28 for Sterling is beyond me..

                                          [–]heyimatworkmanUnited States Minor Outlying Islands 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Really? Mazzaggati is no longer a ref? I've been wondering what happened with him

                                          [–]7mile_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Hes still a ref just not in the UFC

                                          [–]timetosleep 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          If this gets bigger, she's going to over compensate and give the next decision to the white guy even if the minority dominates.

                                          [–]IamSkywalking 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          She is likely being paid.

                                          I hate to say that but it is naive to think that this is not the case.

                                          Prizefighting brings with it cheating, from match-fixing to crooked judges.

                                          She might also be racist but it is far more likely that she is in the pocket of a crime syndicate.

                                          [–]PoppaTittyout 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Boxrec lists every judge's fights.

                                          Here is hers.

                                          [–]ChaelBurr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I forsee a can of worms exploding

                                          [–]lookaboveyou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          this is messed up, and definitely happens in the other direction as well though

                                          [–]BollickPorridgeUnited Kingdom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          As soon as I heard Buffer say her name it explained the bad call. I'm not sure if I'm 100% with the idea that racism is behind her poor decisions, but I don't know what else to suggest. She's just terrible.

                                          [–]Steepslider 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          She needs a Walk of Atonement.

                                          [–]NovembersVeryStoned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          She is at the very least incompetent, on almost every card she has ever judged she is the only one in favor of a loosing opponent. Now with that said, her tendency to choose black fighters over their opponents is almost undeniable. This conversation is incredibly necessary, although it is probably wishful thinking to hope the dialogue will continue. And not just with this judge but all of them. Judges need to be brought to the light, we need to know which ones are incompetent and which ones are honest, and have a good understanding of combat.

                                          [–]speakaengrish 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I'm color blind...can I have her job?

                                          [–]ThatBoySwinney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Fights should not be decided by judges. Knockout, submission, or draw.

                                          [–]Taternuts86Canada 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          BBC strikes again

                                          [–]desiiiigner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          idk if she's necessarily racist, but she is definitely clueless when it comes to judging fights.

                                          [–]adamreal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-575561.html

                                          [–]stackered 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I don't even get why they have people like her judging MMA when she probably knows very little to almost nothing about the sport

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