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[–]shadowDodger1 555ポイント556ポイント  (29子コメント)

What was I meant to do, lie?

No. You did the right thing by telling him.

What you are meant to do is come to terms with the fact that your past may disqualify you in the eyes of deeply religious men. Accept that fact and consider looking to less religious men for relationships.

[–]LittleDogLaughed 169ポイント170ポイント  (13子コメント)

By OP's definition they are "not very religious." OP, if a guy is not very religious but wants a virgin bride... in my very personal opinion that's a pretty good sign that he's not open-minded or secure in himself. I can't blame someone for believing sex should be saved for marriage, but forgiveness for past "mistakes" should go hand in hand with that.

A less flattering interpretation is that he's either intimidated or disgusted by your sexual past. Both of those reactions are very immature. Sexuality is normal and healthy, and they don't "corrupt" or "taint" the women who engage in them. If he can't see his love for you through his intimidation or disgust, his love is not worth holding onto.

[–]Blowsight 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

By reading the original post, it sounds like to me that OPs ex thought she was still a virgin, meaning they haven't had sex in the two years they've been together.

I don't think a man who's "not very religious" would still choose ti wait until marriage. She might not be very religious, but I don't think the same can be said for ex.

[–]wzil 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or maybe he wasn't as religious, but decided to stay away from sex until after they were married for OP sake, and now that he knows that OP lied, he is having significant trust issues and regrets. I'm sure if he was telling his side, it would be far more than a "he may have been lead to believe" that OP said.

[–]nyjl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both of those reactions are very immature.

Yes, and expecting to get away with everything just because "it's in the past" is very mature.

[–]dakkr 98ポイント99ポイント  (7子コメント)

but forgiveness for past "mistakes" should go hand in hand with that.

People are free to have whatever standards they want for what is and is not acceptable/forgivable in a relationship. Don't try and paint this as an issue of morality. It isn't, it's a simple difference of opinion, and OP's fiance is entitled to his opinion.

[–]soupz 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with you. I think the whole virgin until marriage thing is bullshit. But anyone is entitled to their own opinion and religion.

And I simply don't buy OP's "he MIGHT have been led to believe I'm a virgin". She was with him for years without sex. She knew he was religious. You can't tell me she wasn't aware the entire time that he would not be happy if he found out she wasn't a virgin. She led him to believe she was by never bringing it up in all those years, probably thinking that after he proposed he was in love with her enough to oversee that fact.

Just because you aren't straight up lying to a person doesn't mean you are being honest. Honest would have been to tell him as soon as she realised he believed she was a virgin. Which you can't tell me was 2 years into the relationship and a proposal later...

[–]Who_me_worry 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin

How about, "I led him to believe I'm a virgin."

[–]neg_serye 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She is not very forthcoming eh!

[–]calikelowna 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey there's at least two of us who think this way. High five.

[–]tama_gotchi 2010ポイント2011ポイント  (246子コメント)

OP - Unfortunately part of coming clean and being honest with someone is also accepting that they might not accept you afterwards.

I think you did the right thing telling your ex, how he chooses to use the information is up to him.

It sucks that it's (likely) due to your sexual history, but honestly, I wouldn't want to date a man who cared that much about what I did with my body before I ever met him.

I've been brought up with a "tough love" attitude to relationships so once they're over, for me they're over.

I'd learn your lesson here - be honest and open earlier with your partner - and try to move on.

[–]MasterYos 323ポイント324ポイント  (64子コメント)

I agree with what you say especially about telling him earlier part. From his point of view he probably felt she purposely didn't tell him until she felt he was too far in the relationship (2 years and being engaged is kind of a long time to wait to tell someone about your sexual past) for him to back out.

I think op's biggest problem is she never considered that they could break up about it and probably would never of told him if she realised this sooner.

[–]CowGiraffe 170ポイント171ポイント  (63子コメント)

I think op's biggest problem is she never considered that they could break up about it and probably would never of told him if she realised this sooner.

I'd never ever ever lie like this so this is only a hypothetical, but if I was her and it had gone this far, I'd just take that shit to the grave. Bring on the downvotes for that one, I'm sure... I just think the lying is the real mistake here, and 2 years in, you've missed your window to recover from revealing the truth.

[–]MasterYos 75ポイント76ポイント  (53子コメント)

Not necessary. It is hard to find a time in a relationship to tell your partner about your sexual past (usually different relationships have different times). It is clear she did wait to long but taking it to the grave is much worse. All it takes is an old friend/bf/sexual partner/drunken night or someone who knew her to bring up about ONE of her sexual experiences for the lie to come crashing down. It better to be truthful and burn down a still growing relationship that build a family and life on a weak foundation that can come crashing down at any time

[–]fragilespleen 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've just got to put all these people in the grave as well. /s

[–]_CopperBoom 48ポイント49ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd like to reiterate the "It is hard to find a time in a relationship to tell your partner about your sexual past" thing. I mean, shouldn't he have asked about it before now too? It is a two way street. It's hard to just blurt out your sexual history when your partner shows no interest in hearing about it. Kudos to you OP for being honest.

[–]chasing_cheerios 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't ask because it was somehow implied that she was a virgin. At least that was what I understood from the OP. I feel like people are judging him for not wanting her anymore bc of her sexual past but really I think my problem would be that I would feel deceived, like she purposely lied about it and hid it from him. She obviously knew it would bother him and thats why she chose to tell him now before the marriage.

[–]CowGiraffe 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being truthful is always better than lying. I said "this probably makes me shitty".. because it isn't 100% foolproof .. [EDIT: JUST KIDDING, I MUST HAVE REMOVED THE PART WHERE I SAID "THIS PROBABLY MAKES ME SHITTY"] but if I had gotten myself into that situation, I'd have just committed to the lie.

Luckily, I'd never lie like that in the first place.

[–]soupz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I feel like OP just lied long enough until she thought he was too far in to break up over it. And now is angry that she underestimated how much of a dealbreaker that is for him.

[–]Help_in_kitchen 9ポイント10ポイント  (37子コメント)

In two years you can find the time.

I told my now fiance about my sexual history on our first date. I told him how many relationships I had been in and how many casual partners I'd had.

I told him that if he had any questions I would be glad to elaborate, since I told him I was open to different types of sexual experiences.

If you're going to be in an adult relationship, you need to discuss these things early on to prevent a situation like OP's down the line.

If OP's boyfriend was looking for a virginal girl to have a relationship/marriage with, he should have said so rather than assumed OP was a virgin.

[–]sharedinsanity 60ポイント61ポイント  (35子コメント)

If someone brought up their sexual history to me on their first date I would get the hell out of there unless there was a very good reason for them to do that ("I have HIV/6 kids/etc"). Why would you assume that everyone wants to hear about that? If the person you're dating cares about that stuff it's on them to ask. Not on you to disclose everything at the first opportunity out of some fear that they'd think you were "lying" in two years.

[–]CowGiraffe 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sex is part of a romantic relationship. Sex is part of a marriage. You don't commit to an exclusive romantic relationship without discussing sex. You sure as shit don't commit to marriage (engagement) without discussing sex. If you are not adult enough to have a frank conversation about the very thing that differentiates a romantic relationship from a platonic relationship, you should not be marrying the person. Period. He didn't ask, but she knew what he assumed.. and she never brought it up to make sure he knew the truth. She LET HIM believe what she knew was untrue.

I don't disclose my sexual past in detail. I don't give out numbers of previous partners or sex positions we did or whatever. But I also would never let a relationship into "exclusivity" territory without a person knowing something as simple as the fact that I'm not a virgin. This was a huge confession for her that she prepped for, according to the OP.. she KNEW he thought she was a virgin for a long time. And she never had the discussion with him.

[–]Help_in_kitchen 17ポイント18ポイント  (28子コメント)

Because being an adult means handling adult things. Sexual past being one of them.

If you asked someone if they had any kids or STDs and they said no, would you also be okay with not knowing they had over 200 sexual partners? That they were a former adult film performer? That they spent a few years as a prostitute?

I think it's best to get everything out in the open before strong emotions develop. Nothing worse than falling in love with someone and finding out something about then that's a deal breaker.

[–]sharedinsanity 19ポイント20ポイント  (25子コメント)

Yes, I would be okay with any of those things. If I wasn't okay with them, I would ask outright about them ("How many sexual partners have you had?" "Have you ever had sex on camera?"), not expect someone to just divulge it because they think there's a chance that I'd want to hear about them. To me, that's way more adult than expecting everyone to divulge their sexual pasts just because I'm insecure. Only you know your dealbreakers.

[–]Vivienne_VS_humanity 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but c'mon, on the very first date?? That would set alarm bells off for me if someone disclosed that on the first date

[–]Help_in_kitchen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It worked for my fiance, so it works for me.

And I never said it had to be done on the first date. I said I did it on the first date because I don't believe in wasting my time. I'm nearly 35 years old, I want to get married, and I want to have a family.

For me, that means putting all of my shit out there in the open and either someone accepting it or not.

Again, somewhere in those two years of dating OP and her boyfriend could have gotten around to how important virginity is to him and how she had done things in the past.

[–]midwestwatcher 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd never ever ever lie like this so this is only a hypothetical, but if I was her and it had gone this far, I'd just take that shit to the grave.

Even the boomers knew better than this. You can't hide the past from your spouse. It don't work. Millennials have even less chance of hiding their pasts.

I'm not here to debate ethics with you, just that this is a plan that doesn't pass the "does it work?" check.

[–]sharedinsanity 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not lying. Not telling someone every little detail about your past is not lying. It would be lying if she told him she was a virgin.

[–]CowGiraffe 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

She knew that he assumed that. Come on. And if they've truly never discussed sex at all before so it "never came up", they shouldn't be getting married in the first place. You don't enter into a lifelong romantic commitment with someone when you have zero idea about their sexual beliefs.

[–]altxatu 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt it's entirely about the sexual past, and more about the lie by omission.

[–]RaypasaurusRex 385ポイント386ポイント  (169子コメント)

I think it's more of the fact that she lied, or kept it to herself for this long of a time.

[–][deleted] 411ポイント412ポイント  (34子コメント)

I think she needs to accept the fact that she mislead him about this for most of their relationship. She writes

The thing is, he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin based on my religiosity and we'd never really talked about past sexual partners before. For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin.

This to me is clearly just her trying to rationalise the fact that she mislead him.

[–]necesitootracuenta 81ポイント82ポイント  (31子コメント)

but if they never talked about it, then its not misleading?

[–]40oz_connoisseur 307ポイント308ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think this guy got laid the entire 2 year relationship. "He may have thought I was a virgin" is disingenuous if so

[–]reddidentity 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he didn't want to have sex before marriage.

[–]tfresca 95ポイント96ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes. This is. the rub. If she was holding out on him he's going to be pissed. Its not fair but religion rarely is when it comes to sex and gender.

[–]werebothsquidward -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

If she was holding out on him he's going to be pissed.

That's not a fair assumption at all. Chances are if they did not have sex for their entire relationship it was a mutual decision based on their religiousness. He is pissed because she's not a virgin. He's entitled to his decision but he is still kind of a dick.

[–]AssDotCom 74ポイント75ポイント  (3子コメント)

he is still kind of a dick.

Not really though. I'm not religious by any means, and I don't agree with most religions, but if he was led to believe that she was something that she wasn't, then his reaction is not surprising at all. That doesn't make him a dick, that makes him true to his values and beliefs. Now, if he himself also had that same kind of past, then he's a dick.

[–]yourackadisiprin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

God forbid people have a preference eh?

[–]werebothsquidward 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because something is your preference doesn't make you not a dick. For instance, racists have a preference and they're entitled to it but they're still assholes.

[–]tfresca 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was it was likely assumed it was mutual. I'm not saying it's fair or just but if he made a move and was rebuffed I can see him being hurt.

[–]ShowMeYourBunny 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lie by omission is still a lie.

[–]pistolpackinpedro 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

She said she mislead him. "he may have been lead to believe...". And OP should realize we are defined by our pasts, good or bad.

[–]tama_gotchi 155ポイント156ポイント  (48子コメント)

That's why I said;

I'd learn your lesson here - be honest and open earlier with your partner

[–]Chewy_Morsels 52ポイント53ポイント  (20子コメント)

This needs to be reinforced: there was no reason for you to shame him. He is entitled to make his choice based on his personal values, which are as valid as your own.

[–]Thenightisyoungish 93ポイント94ポイント  (26子コメント)

Yeah but you shamed the guy first and that's not very fair. He didn't lie to her for two years.

[–]BlueYogi 41ポイント42ポイント  (26子コメント)

Totally agree he is likely to feel led on. OP had the best chance to have a relationship with him by being completely honest from the start.

[–]JonBenetBeanieBaby 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did she though? She just says they never had an outright talk about her sexual partners. Most people would assume a 28/F was not a virgin. They're only going to mass occasionally; they can't be too hardcore.

Like if he kept talking about his own virginity & how important it was, etc, and then she would just kind of be like 'uh huh' and look away.. then yeah.

[–]5i5ththaccount 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. Lies are really shitty.

[–]Pantal00ns 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

It doesn't sound like she lied, just that the conversation never came up and he made some assumptions.

[–]rossk10 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

If OP had never thought to bring it up, I could maybe see your view point. But the fact that it was something that she was conscious to mention means that it was likely something brought up in the past in some capacity.

[–]bacteriaonthecounter 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

a lie of omission is a lie nonetheless. and op knew what she was doing. i feel bad for her ex. hes probably questioning every decision hes made since he met her. and now, hes wasted precious years investing in something that gets rarer by the day

[–]RagingFuckalot 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

No one is obligated to share past sexual details.

[–]wzil 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yet when I bring up men who have purchased the services of escorts, people think there is some kind of duty to tell.

[–]MurasakiYugata 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think she lied, though. I think it just never came up before.

[–]lcfparty15 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

Do you really think it's that and not that she isn't a virgin? I don't understand this...everyone here knows a lot of guys consider women less attractive or valuable if they've had multiple partners.

And yet, a lot of people here won't admit that this is fucked up, and march into every thread like this saying the exact same things. That it's about the lie. That it's perfectly moral to not want to date a woman with multiple partners.

I don't believe it. It's sexism, jealousy, and the fragility of the male ego coming to bear. That's all it is. It's as old as human beings, save for the fact that for most of our history, we appear to have treated women as little more than livestock to try to prevent any challenge to the male ego. That's a fucked up legacy, and it's usually the religious folks here who get a pass for this sort of attitude...but you can't stand up the good any religion has done the world without also pointing out how crucial preserving gender roles (sexism) is to all major religions I'm aware of.

So what I'm saying is that some of y'all can live in your moral fantasy land where this issue is about a lie of omission or a person's devotion to scripture or whatever, but the actual issue is that the only reason a man wants to date a woman who is a virgin is because of unchecked insecurity, sexism, and a desire to maintain power over the other. No need to quibble with this issue of power: the same rules do not apply to men and women on this score, and so when a man judges a woman by standards that don't apply to the man, he's trying to maintain a sexist power imbalance.

But this is the internet and people can downvote and disagree because I'm saying things that make people feel bad about themselves.

All the same, the objective right outcome of this situation would be forgiveness (along the lines of religious tenants) and continuing a happy relationship, presuming the man was happy before this information came to light. I'm not going to congratulate someone for giving in to their insecurities and running away from love in favor of sexist, dogmatic notions.

[–]wzil 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't believe it. It's sexism, jealousy, and the fragility of the male ego coming to bear.

If you try to play the virgin card to get me to wait for sex til marriage, and I find out you aren't actually a virgin, then I'm going to fully break up. If you think that is sexist, then you need to go learn how people don't like being manipulated and how men don't like to marry women who don't like them (which such behavior strongly indicates).

[–]Krilter22 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sucks that it's (likely) due to your sexual history, but honestly, I wouldn't want to date a man who cared that much about what I did with my body before I ever met him.

Except that she says she misled him into believing she was a virgin...

The thing is, he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin based on my religiosity and we'd never really talked about past sexual partners before. For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin.

She clearly knew he thought she was a virgin.

[–]lamamaloca 304ポイント305ポイント  (0子コメント)

He may have broken up with you because you are not a virgin, or he may have broken up with you because he felt deceived in that you hadn't told him about some important life experiences. He may feel you're not who he thought you were.

You were absolutely right to tell him, and maybe use this as a learning experience in that it isn't a good idea to keep your past secret. Your past absolutely always has an impact on your present, even if that impact is only "I'm not going to be like that again." As a Catholic, keep in mind that many of the greatest saints also were some of the greatest sinners.

If you need to get out some of these emotions, maybe write your ex a letter? Apologize for keeping this info a secret, explain your reasoning (that you're a very different person), point out the forgiveness the Church teaches, etc. Then hang on to that letter and consider long and hard (at least a week, I'd recommend a few) before you either rewrite it and send it or tear it up. It usually does no good to go chasing after someone who doesn't want a relationship with you, but I've also had good luck with estranged family members, not romantic partners, in apologizing and expressing myself through a letter. The best is probably to write it out then tear it up, just for the catharsis.

[–]mayonakahoshi 108ポイント109ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised the conversation never came up. As someone who purposely 'saved' myself for marriage and am very religious. It was something I brought up with every guy I got serious with. I'm not blaming you so much as if it was really that important to your husband, why did he just assume? In today's world you can't assume anyone is a virgin. I never do unless told otherwise

[–]silverraven1189 84ポイント85ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look, you say that sex just never came up. I can buy that for the most part, but I refuse to believe that you had no chance to tell him this before you got engaged.

You may have never flat out said, "I'm a virgin" but I'm going to guess he's made comments about "first time" and being excited to finally have sex. I'm sure he's made comments about his own commitment and about the special bond you two will share.

He didn't come to the conclusion that you were a virgin all on his own. You don't go into detail, but I bet you helped him believe that. You knew that he thought you were a virgin and only brought it up when you were already engaged. A lie by omission is still a lie.

I don't agree with his values, but certain people put a lot of value into sex and saving themselves for marriage, and want someone else that shares those values. Now that he's found out that you don't share his value system, he's started to think about what else you haven't told him, what else you've lied about. Maybe he's thinking about how he'd much prefer to marry someone that considers sex as sacred as he does. It also seems like maybe you weren't 100% honest with him about your troubled past, because if you were, sex may have already come up.

There's nothing you can do to fix your relationship, except hope he comes around. All you can do is learn from your mistakes and make your next relationship better than this one.

[–]moonlightracer 230ポイント231ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a changed and different person now, and that past does not define me and it has nothing to do with who I am now

Honestly though, a lot of people aren't going to see it that way. You may be able to completely remove your past self from your current life, but not everyone is going to be able to do that. For a lot of people (myself included) your past is extremely important, because past experiences help shape who you are today.

I read often online of husbands who get upset when they find out their wife has lied to them about her sexual history.

That doesn't just go for husbands. No one likes being lied to about anything. Some things are bigger than others, and clearly sex is a big deal to him.

What was I meant to do, lie?

If you knew that your husband thought you were a virgin, you should have corrected him. It seems like you had a strong feeling that he thought this for a long time. The moment you realized he thought this, you should have come clean, not waited.

Also, you don't mention your husband's past at all. Is he also a virgin? Is waiting until marriage an important thing for him? How does he generally feel about sexuality?

[–]DoctorDank 115ポイント116ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a changed and different person now, and that past does not define me and it has nothing to do with who I am now

I hate it when people say shit like this. Someone's past actions absolutely inform us of the type of person they are. You don't just get to hit the reset button in life. Your past actions have consequences. As OP evidently just found out.

[–]Fitzwilliger 759ポイント760ポイント  (103子コメント)

You decided to be honest with him after years of misrepresentation. It isn't a mistake that he thought you were a virgin. You knew he'd assume it and you deliberately didn't tell him about it. Telling him about it after getting engaged isn't a golden ticket into him having to accept the years of you deliberately not telling him about your sexual past. He's allowed to decide that it's a deal breaker for him.

[–]madmaxturbator 215ポイント216ポイント  (8子コメント)

My questions for OP are -

  1. did OP and ex-fiance have sex?

  2. did they really not discuss their past till now? they've been together 2 years! discussing your past (not details, but just in general) is something that happens around the time you get exclusive, from my experience.

I am curious to know answers to this because I think it will help us guide OP with this situation or her next one.

It is a bit odd - she says they're not especially religious. But if in 2 years they've never had sex, I imagine the dude assumed she was a virgin? But if that was the case, why wouldn't they have discussed sex / virginity at all in 2 years - i.e. why wasn't there an opportunity for her to discuss her past in all that time?

Somethings are very confusing to me in this situation.

[–]MasterYos 105ポイント106ポイント  (3子コメント)

But if in 2 years they've never had sex, I imagine the dude assumed she was a virgin? But if that was the case, why wouldn't they have discussed sex / virginity at all in 2 years

To me the biggest thing was she had a good idea he thought she was virgin. If she came to that conclusion she must of realised that she was giving him signals she was a virgin by either never going into detail about her sexual past (which she did) or avoiding the topic when it came up making it look like she didn't have much sexual experience making him come to the conclusion she must be a virgin. It sounds to me she was more than happy to keep that illusion up and only told him about her sexual past when she realised he might dump her if he ever found out about it, which ironically did happen

[–]ugottahvbluhair 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was probably plenty of opportunity but she just avoided it.

[–]sherdlion 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

you know why OP used 'religious' work in the post? if you know this then you'll get your answer.

[–]rj2029x 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you care to inform those of us who are curious and do not understand the nuance?

[–]exit_sandman 67ポイント68ポイント  (14子コメント)

This - a lie by omission is still a lie.

If I started to date a girl, I would want to know about potential dealbreakers (even arbitrary ones) beforehand without having to prod for information. Generally these dealbreakers are pretty common (like, say, having a past in prostitution) and under normal circumstances, not being a virgin anymore wouldn't be one - however, for OP's religious fiancé, it obviously was and she was very much aware of it. He didn't inquire because he assumed she was a virgin, and she let him believe it. Or he didn't inquire because he assumed she had a normal sexual past, and her "I slept with some people" was actually more than just "some".

[–]Jepatai 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

I totally agree with this. It's the years of letting him believe this that's the issue. If I was OP's fiancé and this was something really important to me, I would feel betrayed when I was allowed to think she was on the same page for all those years. I actually have a similar background here where my boyfriend and I are in this position of I have a sexual past and he doesn't and we are now waiting ourselves because of religious reasons. However, about three weeks into dating I sat him down and we had a long conversation where I told him everything and was very upfront with my past because I knew it could be an issue for him. It was hard to work through, but the early honesty made a difference for us and we've stayed together. Waiting two years and an engagement into it is far, far too long. OP, definitely let this be a lesson to be more honest earlier on when you know not only is something important but someone will feel betrayed that you lied by omission.

[–]tama_gotchi 91ポイント92ポイント  (58子コメント)

You knew he'd assume it and you deliberately didn't tell him about it.

How do you know it was 'deliberate'. If OPs ex had straight up asked her do you think she would have lied about it?

Don't get me wrong, I can see why he's upset with her, but I don't think OP is some evil conniving villain here, either.

edited to add: If OPs sexual history is that big of a deal he should have asked about it sooner

[–]Fitzwilliger 348ポイント349ポイント  (21子コメント)

Are we really pretending that it's a mistake that the Catholic woman who went to church every week with her Catholic boyfriend turned fiance who she hasn't slept with in a two year relationship had a fiance who thought she was a virgin? Really?

[–]slangwitch 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did OP say they never had sex those two years or did she just mean that he thought she was a virgin before they started having sex? I'm confused on that aspect.

[–]krell_154 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

She said he may have believed she's a virgin. If he slept with her, he probably wouldn't believe she's a virgin.

[–]Altorrin 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good catch. The whole time, I'd been thinking it said "may have believed I was a virgin."

Yeaaaah, it's actually a completely reasonable assumption that your super religious girlfriend who wants to save herself for marriage is a virgin, lol.

[–]justmikethen 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

How many actively practicing Catholic chicks do you think ACTUALLY make it to marriage without ever having a salami in their meat sheath?

[–]Gibonius 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can usually tell because they get married at 20.

[–]KOM 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a Billy Joel song somewhere in there...

[–]MikeyDeez 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's your partner's duty to interrogate you on every possible aspect of your past that you know would be important to them.

OP knew it was important to him and that he was under a false impression...he didn't know the secret existed.

"If you don't want to be hurt by any secrets I might be keeping from you, you better figure them out and confront me directly!"

[–]exit_sandman 77ポイント78ポイント  (12子コメント)

How do you know it was 'deliberate'. If OPs ex had straight up asked her do you think she would have lied about it?

Well...

The thing is, he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin based on my religiosity and we'd never really talked about past sexual partners before. For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin. He didn't know about my past before I became religious again and how I had in fact, slept with some people.

In other words: "it's very likely he believed I was a virgin and I never disabused him of that notion until now."

edited to add: If OPs sexual history is that big of a deal he should have asked about it sooner

I don't want to date a woman who has a past in the sex business. It's simply a dealbreaker for me. Should I have to ask every single woman about this or can I expect her to bring that up beforehand? Especially if the woman in question carefully cultivated the image of a woman with a more solid past?

Now of course not being a virgin is something different than having a past in the sex biz, but nevertheless that guy obviously didn't assume that she had a reasonably colorful sexual past because she cultivated the image of the demure virtuous religious woman - so he also didn't feel the need to inquire.

[–]puntifex 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've always thought that if you're in a serious relationship with someone, and you think there's a good chance they'll care about something, you should let them know, as a courtesy. It's a way of saying "I respect your right to have your own preferences and dealbreakers", which seems a much better thing to feel then "I technically don't have to tell you! I'm going to hide it because what I want (to be with you) is more important"

[–]thegypsyqueen 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lies of omission are still lies.

She knew what he thought and that it mattered to him and still didn't tell him. That is being dishonest. Just because the guy views sex differently than you doesn't mean it is wrong.

[–]ivereddithaveyou 21ポイント22ポイント  (17子コメント)

A lié isnt so différent from an omission of thé truth. It's clear from op's post that she knew it would be a problem and that she thought her husband would assume thé opposite about it. Is thé husband supposed to ask every hypothetical question ever to try and get to know thé réal op. No hé is not it is on thé back of thé person entering thé relationship to be up front or risk thé consequences.

[–]_Woodrow_ 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

what's with the random accent marks in your post?

[–]Yabbaba 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm willing to bet he's French and his phone autocorrects.

[–]captaincuttlehooroar 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I majored in French and keep reading all the "the"s as "tea"

[–]ivereddithaveyou 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do thé same every time it corrects, makes me crave thé stuff.

[–]Bdsmaam[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You have a French keyboard set, you can fix this with a keyboard shortcut if you Google it.

[–]ranchojasper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lotta people just full on making shit up in this thread.

[–]Se7enLC 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I tried to be honest with him and this is what I got.

Well, not quite. Coming clean is not the same as being honest.

It sounds like from your perspective you never meant to mislead him. But try to see it from his perspective. He feels like you've been lying to him the entire time. The moment you came clean was the moment he discovered you'd been lying to him. And then he spent a couple days wondering what else you were still lying about.

Don't be too hard on yourself. You still did the right thing by telling him, and his decision on how to handle it was his decision. There's nothing you could have done differently at that point.

In the future, if you ever have that feeling in the back of your mind that you're hiding something from your partner, nip it early. Don't make them ask the right questions and interrogate you to discover your secrets.

[–]BraveFencerMusashi 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are the culmination of all their life decisions. You can't just dismiss parts of you that your current self dislikes. It's a part of you no matter what.

[–]watchhasended 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

You were honest with him and you got honesty in return.

[–]T2ChinaJasmine 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think you have any right to be angry. You lied by omission throughout the entire course of your relationship. You should have told him earlier. I know this hurts, but I hope you can learn a lesson from it.

I decided I didn't want to build our marriage on false beliefs, and thought he'd accept it if I tell him openly, that he'd forgive me and still accept me because I know he loves me.

This doesn't matter. You already built your relationship on false beliefs.

[–]Thenightisyoungish 36ポイント37ポイント  (9子コメント)

It took two years for you to be honest with him. He was honest with you from the start.

Think about that.

From his perspective that is two years of you not being honest. And I'm afraid you are just going to have to accept that and move on.

[–]steph_c1 110ポイント111ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the biggest question here is why you let your partner believe you were a virgin for 2 years when you knew this was important to him. There were clearly big issues at play if you felt you couldn't tell him this/ chose not to be truthful to him.

[–]saltedcaramelsauce 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you did is called a lie of omission. You knew that he was assuming something about you that wasn't true, and you deliberately did not correct that assumption.

As for what you do now about this guy, the answer is nothing. Be honest to future partners from the get-go.

[–]eversiince 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

This past doesn't define me thing is so silly. Your past is literally what makes you who you are today. If your husband murdered or raped someone in the past would you not want to know? Oh, but it's his past, it doesn't define him.

[–]partofbreakfast 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, that's what happens sometimes. When you come clean about your past, not everyone is going to accept that. In this case, he decided that this was a dealbreaker for him.

You can be angry, you can be sad, you can be whatever emotion you're feeling. But ultimately, you're going to have to move on. There's someone out there who will accept you as you are. Just be sure to tell him about all of this before engagements and wedding plans happen.

[–]ThatGuyMiles 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you mean "he may have been mislead into thinking I was a virgin"?

You KNOW whether someone believes you to be a virgin or not, he had to have mentioned or said something for you to think this. Even if you didn't actually "discuss" it, the second you realized he thought you were a virgin is the second you correct him. You don't just let him or anyone continue on thinking you are virgin when you are not. That's a little fucked up. Most people would be upset that their partner lied by omission for so long. It would be dumb not to reconsider a proposal. If they are willing to go along and let someone believe something like that, what else would they not speak up about, and use "well, we never explicitly talked about this" as an excuse.

[–]updn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was your sexual relationship like with him, if I may ask?

[–]DiTrastevere 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

You did the right thing. It just revealed that he is not the one for you. I know it hurts so, so badly, and that you really wanted him to be, but anyone who cannot accept your past, even the bare bones of it, isn't right for you.

I so strongly disagree with this particular dealbreaker, but he's allowed to have it. Moving forward, if you plan on continuing to date highly religious men, you need to be up front with this (never met a non-religious man who expected a 28 year old woman to be a virgin). Don't present yourself as something you're not, even inadvertently.

[–]geetea 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how you disassociate yourself from your "past" self as if you were a completely different person. Sure we make mistakes but that is forever part of you whether you like it or not. You most likely enjoyed it at the time. Sex is fun for the most part. Why lie about this? Be up front so next time so you don't string along somebody you know expects a virgin.

[–]NotYourAverageNut 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin

If you have been together for that long and haven't been having sex there was clearly some level of discussion of agreement on that. If you did that without mentioning that you'd had prior partners then you were lying to him. It may be a lie of omission, but a lie none the less. He has reason to believe you were a virgin because you let him believe it. You gave him that reason. And if you seriously went two years without even mentioning it then there are some serious communication issues in your relationship anyway.

The trust is broken in your relationship. That will take time to rebuild, if he's even willing to try. Give him time and just let him know you are the one who messed up and your willing to do what's necessary to rebuild it.

[–]Lilblacksheepsie 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you had told him from the getgo, this attachment wouldnt have been so large and devastating. If you start dating someone who has an inkling of being religious, you should mention you're not a virgin so they can decide to not get attached to you as well. You don't have to go into all the details but letting someone know you arent a virgin shouldnt be some huge big deal to tell someone.

Im sorry he felt this was something so important, but if hes a virgin, he probably wanted to have those first moments with someone whos never had them before as well.

I wish all the best. Goodluck

[–]brigidthebold 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can relate to you a little on both sides of the issue. You did the right thing by being honest, though this is a conversation that probably should have happened weeks or months, not years, into the relationship. But I can understand, being somewhat religious myself, how it can be awkward to bring up sex stuff, especially if the other person is a virgin and you are not.

The problem is that your boyfriend's reality of you, which has been built (whether from what you've told him or what he has assumed based on what you haven't told him) up over the last two years has just been altered. Some others here have called your boyfriend a judgmental a-hole for his reaction. I think he overreacted. But if he is a virgin himself, suddenly that very intimate thing he thought you had in common was something you never had in common. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? No. Does it matter to him? Obviously.

I would give him his space, and give him some time to adjust to this new reality and sift through his thoughts. Call him in a week or two, ask if he'd like to talk in person about this. Could be that he'll realize he overreacted. Could be that he'll never come around. But I think giving him some time to himself would be much better than trying to solve things immediately.

[–]HotDogKnights 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

First and foremost, you still did the right thing, even if it didn't have the outcome you wanted or expected. As bad as it is to break up and cancel a wedding, it's still better than divorce or married to someone who feels trapped and resentful.

Still I must ask... what do you mean by "he may have been lead to believe..."? Did you tell him you were a virgin? Did he try to initiate sex and you rejected him because you wanted to wait before marriage? If so, then he was actively deceived. It would have been better to be upfront that you've been sexually active in the past but that your values have since changed.

If this confession was the first discussion you've had about sex at all since you've been together, then that's a problem in and of itself. Even if you're religious, sex should not be a taboo subject between two people who are getting married and plan to be sexually active and exclusive with one another. It's very likely that you would've run into serious problems with intimacy and compatibility after you getting married if you couldn't even talk about sex beforehand.

With future partners (or with your ex-fiance if he eventually decides he wants to try again) you really need to have a frank talk about sex early in the relationship. You don't have to lay out your past history in graphic detail, but you should give an overview of what you were like in the past and why and how you've changed, especially if you plan on abstaining until marriage.

[–]morecomments 52ポイント53ポイント  (13子コメント)

Unfortunately you are not owed forgiveness just because you finally decided to be honest. Welcome to the real world.

[–]mmmimimizza 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

He broke up with you because you presented yourself as someone you aren't.... you didn't sleep with him for two years, and he thinks you two are on the same page, only to find out that you've been shagged by other guys. That sounds crude,but that's the jist of why it hurt him and upset him so much. You did these things with other guys and presented yourself as someone completely different. I'm really sorry you're going through this...but the only thing you can do now is step back and give him space. Write him a heartfelt letter and be honest and just know there might not be any coming back from this for him. For what it is worth, he shouldn't be judging you so hard, but I think the lying is what is the biggest problem.

[–]Sarcasticler 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was I meant to do, lie?

This is so often the question when we tell the truth and things don't go our way? The answer? NO. fucking no. You were meant to tell the truth in spite of the harm it might cause you. The longer you waited, the worse it got.

Quite honestly, everyone is giving you a bit of a hard time here, and I understand why. I agree with most of them, but you are definitely to be commended for saying something, even if it took a while. I'm sure you knew this would matter to him, and managing to speak up was the right thing to do... even if it was a bit late.

I've broken up with someone in the past for something similar. It wasn't quite the same type of thing, but it was a lie of omission that mattered to me. I'm quite thankful to that person for eventually telling me the truth, even if it did cause our breakup.

[–]Growlstreak 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a perfect example of why communication is so important.

OP Im sorry this happened to you like this, but I think the takeaway lesson here is that you should have talks like this waaay earlier in the relationship. And especially not wait until after he proposed! Not mentioning such an important and delicate fact until 2 years down the road is lying and really decietful...I can see why your fiance was so upset. He had every right to call off the wedding; imagine how he must feel if something major from your past was kept from him, he must be left wondering what else he doesnt know, and doesnt want to marry a mystery.

The only thing you can do now is move forward having a hard lesson learned under your belt, and not make the same mistake again. Theres really nothing else you can do

[–]atomic_wunderkind 79ポイント80ポイント  (19子コメント)

OP, I've been the guy in this situation. Perhaps I can give you a useful perspective.

I grew up Mormon and was a virgin until my wedding day. My then-girlfriend and I had been dating for less than a year (in true Mormon fashion) before I proposed, so not as long as you and this fellow, but long enough to validate your experience:

he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin based on my religiosity and we'd never really talked about past sexual partners before. For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin.

Point 1: Lots of people here are throwing shade your way for 'lying by omission', but that's a bogus accusation in the context of a highly-religious relationship. It's very common for both parties to avoid this subject.

If you're super-religious, you don't talk about sex. Sex is bad. Sex is shameful. Within your relationship, you're actively working to AVOID sex: You avoid making out too much. You avoid talking about sex. You CERTAINLY don't ask your BF/GF about past sexual partners. The responsibility for this not coming up isn't all on you. It's equally on both of you.

Point 2: If this were a dealbreaker for your BF, it was on HIM to bring it up.

Your Ex-BF had 0 reason to expect that you're a virgin. There are a myriad scenarios where a devout religious person can not be a virgin:

What if you'd been sexually assaulted? What if you'd had a good long-term relationship with a religious person for whom extramarital sex was not a sin? What if, like MANY religious people, you'd had a period of 'straying from the faith'?

In fact, you still don't know if your Ex-BF is a virgin, and you don't care, so you didn't ask. If you did care, it would be on you to ask.

Point 3: Past choices contribute to who we are, but they do not define us. Mature people know this.

My then-Girlfriend sat me down one night, and she was visibly scared. She said that she had something to confess, and she told me that she was not a virgin.

I did not care. I knew that her past experiences, good and bad, positive and negative and whatever, all contributed to make her the person that I loved.

I told her it didn't bother me, and she was SO grateful. It was easily one of the best moments of my "Dude life" - all I had to do was not be a judgemental asshole, and she was treating me like I was a saint and her hero.

Plus, it wasn't entirely a surprise: I knew that she'd been less devout in grad school. I knew that she'd dated a non-Mormon for a couple years. My guess is that your Ex had lots of similar clues about your past if he'd cared to pay attention.

More to the point, I didn't think that her value was in her vagina.

OP, you dodged a bullet here. If a religious man values virginity over devotion, he's not the kind of man capable of truly loving you. He loves authoritarian ideals more than people. He's not Christ-like in the least.

Your Ex needs to mature as a person before he'd be worthy of you, and there's no knowing if he'll ever get to that point. Find someone who loves ALL of you. You deserve it :)

(edit: removed a poor example)

[–]FeelingFascination 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Practically the first sensible answer in this thread, and very well put. Gives an excellent and realistic viewpoint, that's fair to the OP rather than just accusing her of lying without the context of the religious environment.

[–]Em__dash 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great response. The whole time I was reading this, I was thinking, "If it was important to him, why didn't he ask?" I mean, if they never talked about their pasts & he just assumed that she was a virgin because she was religious, that's kind of on him.

And you're right, he didn't come out and say that he was a virgin--he just expected that she was. That's a red flag to me.

[–]Meowsha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! Finally, someone who actually gets it.

[–]ShowMeYourBunny 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is nonsense. Loyalty and lies are not compatible. You can't lie to someone about something important to them and claim you are loyal or devoted to them.

[–]somecallmenonny 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

THANK YOU. This is a fantastic comment. I can't believe how many people here are blaming OP for being too harshly judged by her ex.

I want to give you all of the upvotes!

[–]1949baby 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This really needs to higher...with religion sex is a big no-no to talk about. If it was important to him he should have brought it up but I can see how both of them just kinda skirted around the issue until now.

[–]haaskalbaas 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fabulous response, very well-put. I have Mormon friends and I know what you mean - sex is never discussed ("sex never reared its ugly head" !)

[–]walk_through_this 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very good response. It's pretty unreasonable to simply assume that a 26-year-old with any kind of dating history is a virgin in 2016, make non-virginity a dealbreaker and then go for two years without discussing it. OP shouldn't have let it go so long, sure. But the fact that nobody brought this up, specifically, for over two years, does not speak well of the health of this relationship.

[–]LizEnFrance 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

OP, you dodged a bullet here. If a religious man values virginity over devotion, he's not the kind of man capable of truly loving you. He loves authoritarian ideals more than people. He's not Christ-like in the least.

THIS. ALL OF THIS. The situation sucks, but better to find out about his judgmental, Pharisaical nature before you say "I do," because as much as breakups suck, divorce (and annulment, if you want to get remarried in the Catholic Church) is much more complicated and expensive.

I think a lot of commenters here don't understand the "if we don't talk about sex, we'll be safe from Satan!" aspect of many highly religious relationships. That can backfire in sooooo many ways -- I've read horror stories of Catholic, Orthodox Jewish, Muslim, etc couples who had no clue what to do on the wedding night because "good [members of this religion] don't talk about sex." The results can be anything from UTIs to perforated colons (I wish I was making that one up!). This is the kind of thing that happens in cultures/traditions where a woman's worth is entirely dependent on the state of her hymen, and where women who have sex (or are raped!) before marriage are regularly compared to already-chewed gum or used tissues. It's gross.

Thanks for your post, and congratulations on what sounds like a very happy marriage!

[–]so_just_here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

perforated colons (I wish I was making that one up!)

good god. how did that even happen? or should i rather not ask?!

[–]STD_ADVICE_H 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like writing a program to create huge numbers of throwaways to upvote this comment. The black and white thinking displayed by so many people on this thread is shocking, and it's refreshing to see an actually mature response.

[–]LaydModify 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Straight up you waited way too long to have this very important discussion. Although I personally don't practice abstinence, I can totally see why he's pissed and feels betrayed.

[–]billbillbilly 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the other perspective:

My GF misled me about her past and strung me along for 2 years. I thought I truly knew this person, did they not trust me before? How can I ever trust them again? I called off the engagement. I feel so angry, upset and hurt, like all my plans for my life suddenly came crashing down and I don't know where to go! What should I do?

[–]dunksoverstarbucks 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

you did the right thing, sometimes when you go all in the other person folds

[–]angel_munster 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe is is more upset with you lying to him for two years rather than you not being a virgin. It makes people ask: what else are they lying about?

[–]syncopacetic 105ポイント106ポイント  (47子コメント)

You lied by omission, it's still a lie and a big one. He was totally in the right for leaving you if lies are a dealbreaker for him.

There's a difference between keeping your number of partners private to claiming or acting like a virgin.

[–]RandallWho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

never really talked about past sexual partners before.

Had they talked about their past and specifically sexual partners and she failed to tell him then yes i would agree with you but since they never had the conversation how did she lie by omission.

I think the problem is A) they never talked about it and B) he never asked about it and C) he made assumptions.

[–]QUEENROLLINS 51ポイント52ポイント  (17子コメント)

What does 'acting like a virgin' mean?!

[–]syncopacetic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't mean anything about whether or not someone is a certain way pre or post virgin. I meant acting like as in pretending to be through omission.

[–]smapple 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possibly pretending not to know anything about sex or how it works.

[–]ResistingTemptation 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were you two in a sexual relationship or were you waiting until marriage?

[–]blue_jammy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I find myself in a very similar situation. Always assumed my girlfriend and I would lose our virginities to each other when the time was right. We were gradually building up to and had done pretty everything short of sex. She has issues with being afraid of men and uncomfortble with sex in general so I was just stunned when she confessed that several years ago, during a low point in our relationship, she had gone home with two guys (not at the same time) from bars and lost her virginity.

It doesn't make sense to a lot of people, but this was something that was very important to me. I found out two months ago and still am torn about what to do. I love her and want to forgive her, but I know myself. This is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life if I stay in the relationship. We were best friends since childhood and a couple since we were college age. It never occured to me that we might have sex with other people, let alone give our virginity to anyone other than each other.

I vacillate every sngle day about whether or not to keep trying.

[–]Blabermouthe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know myself. This is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life if I stay in the relationship.

I think you know the answer dude. And come on, she lost her virginity - something you both were waiting for - with some random guys she cheated on you with? How do you know she won't do that shit again whenever you guys get in a fight? Don't set a precedence of you being a doormat.

[–]Peritract 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Surely the main issue there is the cheating, not the virginity?

[–]shitstainjane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You did the right thing by telling the truth. This is never something that you want to lie about. And if he is truly done with the relationship, then it's better that it happened before the marriage so you are only going through a breakup now and not a divorce.

Truthfully, if you outright lied to him for years about this, then he has a good reason to end the relationship, but if it was just something that you never talked about, then I guess that's a different story.

[–]mdisred2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let him go for now. I have a feeling he will be back after he has time to think it's kind of a reboot for humans. Just go about your business. You did the right thing by telling him. If, by chance, he comes back with a blame you attitude; claiming you mislead him, don't waste your time with him.

[–]foodnguns 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think theres one of 2 issues here

One he assumed you were a virgin and was the whole marry a virgin have sex on wedding day type-to him it seems like you strung him along for two years

The other type is the I want a virgin or why did you lie to me type-Unhappy about the lieing or the fact your not a virgin

In the former case: thats the way the rock falls,he wanted a virgin and your not

In the latter case: if he feels lied to esp given your engaged,how well is it going to go post marriage

[–]yo58 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better that this happened now than after you got married and had 3 kids right?

[–]jackofblades45 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this isn't really a big issue but you waited too long to tell him, two years together and you somehow never have the "partners/ ex's" conversation? sounds like communication between you two was an issue.

[–]bbobeckyj 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was I meant to do, lie?

You were already lying! For 2 years! It's a bit late to talk about lying or not.

[–]Pwnie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I see another /r/relationships post tonight where the OP receives literally hundreds of responses and doesn't reply to a single one, I'm going to tear my hair out! Is it just me, or does that seem rude? Drives me nuts.

[–]PanaReddit 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is something you do during the first month of serious relationship. NOT two years after. This is lying at it's best.

[–]ScorpioN51 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was I meant to do, lie?

you are not entitled to him, you also waited too long to come clean. shouldnt have lied to him from the start.

[–]ThatsATallGlassOfNo 14ポイント15ポイント  (21子コメント)

Well, you lied by omission. But, was he a virgin?

[–]martindtoha 33ポイント34ポイント  (19子コメント)

But, was he a virgin?

He probably still is.

She says:

...believe I'm a virgin based on my religiosity and we'd never really talked about past sexual partners before. For this reason he may have thought I'm a virgin...

She's saying he thinks she still is a virgin as in they have not had sex.

[–]flatspotting 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you have to suck it up. Lying by omission for 2 years on top of things your husband-to-be may never have accepted in the first place means this is a consequence of the actions. Learn, grow, and move on.

[–]bluebonnetsgirl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did you wait so long to tell him?

[–]M0n5tr0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your sexual history should be disclosed before any serious relationship starts happening. Getting to the point where marragie is even considered means he believes he knows all about you. If you didn't disclose that part then he made a decision without all the pertinent information needed when making such a huge step.

[–]TMNT4ME 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

You weren't honest. You lied to him for a long time by omission. Sounds like you only told him to relieve your own guilt and get your side if the story in first before your family or friends ratted you out. He left you because he has no idea who you are, if you lied about this part of your past what else have you lied about? You are angry and sad because you didn't get what YOU wanted. You can't get your cake and his too. What about him? He lost a fiancé and all that time because it turns out she isn't who she said she was. You're spoiled girl. Accept the consequences of your actions.

[–]partypenguin36 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You need to own up to the fact that you misled him. You keep deflecting responsibility throughout your post. He feels he was lied to for years. You need to own that and make sure you never let that happen again.

[–]IDontFuckingThinkSo 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actions have consequences. Life isn't always fair or what we want it to be. You can say the past doesn't have anything to do with the present, but we all know that that's not true.

I'm sorry your relationship didn't work out. You should let him go; attempting to reconcile will likely be very painful for both of you and probably won't work.

[–]RealCheese1125 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are a lot of guys who wouldn't care at all but there are also lots of guys that this would come as a huge shock to especiallyy if he's thought one way for your entire relationship and now he learns that he was dead wrong. You did a great thing telling him, you sound like a great partner, but just try to understand how big of a shock this must be for him and do your best to be there for him and tell him none of that means anything to you. I'm sure he will come around if you are supportive enough.

[–]RobotPartsCorp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It might have been the conversation itself, but he also might have used that conversation as an opportunity to get out of a relationship he was having doubts about. It doesn't matter though. You two are not right for each other.

[–]designgrl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You obviously knew he thought that, and allowed it. That wasn't right, so I could see him needing some time.

[–]houston_oilers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welp. Give it some time. He' ll probably come crawling back.

[–]SoKillme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems to come up on her often.

Here and here

guess the moral of the story is when you are dating a religious man make sure he knows your not a virgin.

[–]TTBHoneyBear 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing is, he may have been lead to believe I'm a virgin..

Makes me think it's likely she told him she was a virgin. He may have been lead to believe that?? WTF does that even mean and how would that happen without you recognizing it. I mean, you've been together for 2 years so it seems likely this is something you hoped would just be swept under the rug.

That being said, I wouldn't stress it too much. Guys can be protective and territorial but what you did before you ever met him is definitely something he should and could get over. I would give it time and hope he'll come around. And if he doesn't, then lesson learned and on to the next.

[–]MuckFodder 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to be very different when I was younger and that is all behind me now. I've put aside that part of my past, I'm a changed and different person now, and that past does not define me and it has nothing to do with who I am now.

While this is a great self-affirmation, it's not reality. You can say that to yourself to try to be a different person, but other people simply can't trust that.

As you well know, people will lie to get what they want. They will justify lies with all kinds of mental gymnastics. And you don't even have to lie to only present the side of you that you want people to know about. We all do this everyday: I am different at work than I am with my friends than I am with my parents.

The problem is that if you only present one facet to your spouse, you can hardly blame them if they don't like the rest of you. They are the one person, more than any other, who will see the most facets. Nobody would blame you for keeping this info from your employer, but your spouse is seen as deceptive because we require the highest level of intimacy from our spouse.

[–]Maigraith 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

You shouldn't have lied to him in the first place so it shouldn't be all that surprising that it went down this way. Did you think it would go over that well? You hid the fact that you weren't a virgin until after the two of you were engaged when it should of happened a long time ago. At this point, it's probably not even about you not being a virgin so much as his image of you, the you you portrayed, is not the truth. He's probably thinking he doesn't know the actual you because what else could you be hiding that you might in the future decide to tell him or not when it conveniences you?

[–]ThrowAwayPleaseAway 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

...you lied to him throughout the entire duration of the relationship, about something that you know is intrinsically important to him and who he is as a person...and you're surprised?

WOW.

[–]yourbrotherrex 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He broke up with you for being a liar, and for allowing him to presume you to be something you're not, for 2 years.
How odd.

[–]thehuncamunca 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but your past is a part of you and a part of what makes you, you. If he can't accept your past, then he didn't really love you. Find someone who accepts everything about you and you know you've found someone who truly loves you.

[–]iSoReddit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at it this way, do you really want to be with someone who can't love you for who you are, warts and all? Time will prove this was a good move, even though you're obviously very unhappy now.

[–]ShanaChanTT 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

you probably should have been honest from the very start of your relationship. not years down the line. im sorry. tough break. Honesty is key at the start of a relationship. it dictates what the future holds. unfortunately for you its the end of one. but the start of possibly many to come.

[–]RandomSurf1 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well done fiance.He was strong enough to call off the engagement this early.

[–]Limberine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So...for how long have you suspected that he thought you were a virgin? It's a little unclear from your post whether you have had sex together yet but if you haven't he's probably wondering why the hell you kept him waiting two years if you're not a virgin. Either way he's been blindsided and has had an emotional reaction to the news. You did so the right thing telling him though because if you hadn't he probably would have worked it out the first time you had sex and then you would be looking at being dumped by your new groom. :-(
Still, he might think about it and come back to you once he cools down. Or he might not.

[–]heyowoah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men who value women for their virginity are completely worthless. Religion is not a justification for such sexist beliefs. Honestly, good riddance.

[–]walk_through_this 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

While that's a long time to keep something to yourself, OP, there's another side to this. If you honestly didn't have an open and frank conversation about your sexual histories for over two years, then your communication is actually really, really terrible, and you were heading to the altar with a lot of assumptions instead of information. I know it's hard to accept this now, but you dodged a bullet.

He helped create an environment in the relationship where you felt you couldn't open up to him. Yes, you should have told him sooner, but he also has to try to be someone you feel like you can open up to. Obviously, for a very long time you didn't feel that way. This is not a great sign for your relationship.

Finally, there's more to 'being religious' than simply being puritanical about someone's sexual history. There's also the 'forgiveness' part and the 'accepting someone as they are' part. What did he want you to do, get a time machine and go back and magically not have had sex? He had an opportunity to show you unconditional love and acceptance (you know, something like what Jesus would do) and instead, decided 'nope, I'm out.' I guarantee that he has skeletons in his past too. The fact that this was such a huge hang-up for him, especially in 2016, suggests that you are better off getting out of this relationship.

Yes, you should have told him sooner, and maybe that's on you. But in the bigger picture, it seems like this relationship would have made you both unhappy if it had continued.

[–]zero_sum_fg 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's also the 'forgiveness' part and the 'accepting someone as they are' part.

While true.. it doesn't mean he has to commit the rest of his life to OP. He can easily forgive her, and subsequently forget her.

Forgiveness doesn't come in 10 minutes on everything.. It's not like she ate the last bowl of Cheerios. Some people take years, and years to come to terms with something and find forgiveness.

[–]molten_dragon 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's not a lot you can do. Your not being a virgin was obviously a dealbreaker for him.

Take some time to get your head around it, move on, and find someone who isn't so petty about that kind of thing.

And maybe in the future don't wait until you're engaged to have that sort of discussion.

[–]flimsyairplanes 58ポイント59ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or the lying was a deal breaker. Its not petty to want an honest partner. It's not petty to want a partner who saved themselves for marriage, either. Different people have different preferences and that doesn't make them bad.

[–]oh_boisterous 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's weird that he just assumed you were a virgin...if something like that was so important to him, he should've initiated that conversation early on.

You dodged a bullet. Believe me, you do not want to be with someone so judgmental.

[–]Offthepoint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't want a man like this, OP. Really. The man for you will be someone who wants you.

[–]Pawsntails 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

'I wanted him to know the whole truth about my past before he commits to me'

Your right he should know the whole truth before he commits to you and it's his choice if he doesn't want to commit to you because of it. Your past is your business but you can't force your choices on others and in future I'd recommend being honest a lot sooner. I feel bad that it ended badly for you and maybe he'll change his mind once he realises what it's like to not have you there but you cant give someone a choice and then complain they chose an option you didn't find favourable. I do wish you good luck in the future though

[–]winniebluestoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well he can have good luck finding a 29 year old virgin to replace you, I'm sure there's plenty of them around /s You did the right thing OP, my money is that he wasn't 100% sure and this is his out. You'll be okay, absolutely.