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[–]hubeyyPhilosophical Intoxications 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why we can't have nice things.

[–]LucyTremor 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

If I had a penny for every time badecon was posted to another bad-sub, I could buy like, uh, a expresso.

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone has an opinion on economics, no matter how much or how little they know about it.

[–]akelly96 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

Probably because they attract a ton of silly AnCap types.

[–]glashgkullthethird 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude they did Econ 101 and therefore know that Keynesian economics is full of shit

[–]FreddyBananas 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, school is for plebs and pinkos. I've independently studied rothbard and mises, and I've seen all of Stephen Molyneux's videos twice.

[–]Homomorphism 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

When the AnCaps start talking about AnCap stuff they're downvoted. But if they just stick to bashing Marxism they can stick around.

[–]akelly96 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

it's definitely the most conservative of the bad subs.

[–]Homomorphism 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

That is absolutely true, but I think the dominant political ideology there is Clintonian centrism. Which is to the right of the badsubs but isn't particularly right-wing in an absolute sense.

[–]so--whatThere are no consequences! (in the noumenal world) 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anything condoning private ownership of the means of production is right-wing in an absolute sense.

[–]Tachyx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I own a knife with which I can slice bread. Production of sliced bread is threatened.

[–]so--whatThere are no consequences! (in the noumenal world) 37ポイント38ポイント  (24子コメント)

Charles Darwin was historically important yet contributed nothing to economics. The same is true of Marx.

[+6] in badecomonics. Oh the irony.

[–]HydraJekyll_☐ A ∴ A 15ポイント16ポイント  (19子コメント)

Oh no, you misunderstand. Another poster clarified things below:

Is what I was responding to. Also, he has contributed things to economics, the problem is that all the things he contributed to economics were bad.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/4l9pc8/the_silver_discussion_sticky_come_shoot_the_shit/d3m5qus

[–]so--whatThere are no consequences! (in the noumenal world) 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

How the priesthood deals with heresy.

[–]TemplesofSyrinx17 7ポイント8ポイント  (17子コメント)

This is still equally ironic.

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

Eh, I agree with what they were trying to say. Marxian economics didn't go anywhere, in the same way that Lamarckian evolution didn't go anywhere. The fields moved on without them, sometimes despite them.

[–]TemplesofSyrinx17 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is the go-to copy pasta when people say nonsense like this.

Warning: lots of learns and I'm probably going to get banned

Marx's Law of Value is much misunderstood by mainstream economists (and often even by self-proclaimed Marxists themselves). Usually when a mainstream economist who did not go out of their way to study Marx with some depth argues against "Marx's labor theory of value" they are arguing against a strawman of Ricardo's labor theory of value, not Marx.

One huge source of confusion is that economists often think that the Law of Value is supposed to be a competing explanation of the same "thing" that their own Marginalist/Subjective theory of value is, and that the two are mutually exclusive. That is not the case. Marginalism is a microeconomic theory about individual, subjective preferences that deduces the familiar supply/demand curve that we know rules the behavior of prices. The Law of Value is a macroeconomic theory about the inner logic of capitalist production as a whole and how it distributes and disciplines the total pool of social-labor time available to "the economy".

In this theory, "Value" (defined as the abstract labor-time that is socially necessary to reproduce a commodity) is a theoretical construct that serves to link several different economic phenomena (kinda like how "Energy" and "Entropy" are theoretical constructs that link several different physical phenomena), not a description of what individuals in a capitalist society find valuable or not like what the Subjective theory of value does. With out properly studying the whole point of this theoretical construct, mainstream economists very rarely engage with the theory in it's own terms.

That's not to say some mainstream economists have not engaged with the Marxist paradigm fairly. In the early 20th century the economist Bortkiewicz tried to mathematically model Marx's Law of Value as set up in Vol. III of Das Kapital and wrote an important critique of it, which has led to an enormous series of responses and new developments by Marxist theorists in response. Recently Mark Blaug wrote an empirical appraisal of Marxist theories, to which the Marxist Fred Moseley wrote an amazing reply1. About a decade ago the semi-mainstream semi-heterodox economist Deirdre McCloskey (perhaps one of the most sophisticated economists around) wrote a positive appraisal2 of the empirical work developed by many Marxists, particularly of the economic historiography written by Paul Sweezy which she takes as a 'standard' of great empirical work. And then there's people like G.A Cohen, Herb Gintis and Yanis Varoufakis which are generally respected by economists all-around.

Tl;dr: Marxian economics are not entirely in opposition or even "wrong" in terms of their relation to main stream economic theory.

  1. https://www.mtholyoke.edu/%7Efmoseley/working%20papers/BLAUG.pdf

  2. http://www.deirdremccloskey.com/editorials/marx.php

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Nothing you've said indicates in any way that what I said was 'nonsense.' Maybe every economist is wrong on Marx (rather than Marx misinterpreting Ricardo, as I've heard argued.) It doesn't matter. Marxian economics did not lead mainstream economics anywhere, in the same way Lamarck didn't lead biology anywhere. A thousand arguments about how modern biologists don't really understand Lamarckian evolution doesn't change that fact.

And, as if evidenced over and over in your critique, Marx's theories were inextricably woven through with normative values, which economics, as a science, tried to move beyond. "Socially necessary" labor is a philosophical concept, not an economic one.

[–]TemplesofSyrinx17 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

Continuing to say Marx has led mainstream economics nowhere after reading a list of some of the biggest names in economics who engage with Marx shows you either aren't paying attention or you just don't get the point I'm trying to make.

Also, economists can scream into they are red in the face, but they are not a science.

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

after reading a list of some of the biggest names in economics who engage with Marx

I didn't say there aren't Marxist economists. I did say they weren't in the mainstream. The biggest names in economics aren't paying attention to Marx. The most important concepts in economics have nothing to do with Marx. The major economic revolutions in the 20th century had nothing to do with Marx.

Name me one important contribution of Marxist economics to the field - something that moved from the heterodox into the mainstream.

you just don't get the point I'm trying to make.

The point you're trying to make is that people should be paying attention to Marx, which I have no problem with. It just has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Also, economists can scream into they are red in the face, but they are not a science.

Now who's showing their ignorance?

[–]TemplesofSyrinx17 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

You said Marxian economics have been a dead end but Marxists still get published to this day in mainstream economic journals. Lamarckians do not still get published, much less exist.

In terms of heterodox into mainstream: the idea that boom and bust cycles resulting in depressions and crisis were not curable or passing phases but rather disabilities of the system was first recognized by Marx and is now a part of mainstream economics

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Ok, so you're backing down from everything else you claimed? Economics is, in fact a science; Marxism has not contributed a single important concept to mainstream economics?

Marx being unimportant to economics isn't just coming from me, or from badeconomics. It's coming from people like Robert Solow (who is actually a top economist):

Marx was an important and influential thinker, and Marxism has been a doctrine with intellectual and practical influence. The fact is, however, that most serious English-speaking economists regard Marxist economics as an irrelevant dead end.

So you are in fact arguing against the mainstream here.

In terms of heterodox into mainstream: the idea that boom and bust cycles resulting in depressions and crisis were not curable or passing phases but rather disabilities of the system was first recognized by Marx and is now a part of mainstream economics

Did Keynes build on Marx? Or is this like Lamarck having a theory of evolution, and then Darwin, so post hoc ergo propter hoc, Darwin built on Lamarck?

Because part of the Keynesian revolution was the removal by Keynes of normative views of economics; depressions weren't caused by moral deficiencies like laziness, but by a fall in aggregate demand. There's no precursor for this thought in Marx, who saw everything in normative terms.

[–]AngryDM 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Darwin's real controversy in his time was when he suggested that the rich and the poor were exactly the same species with no meaningful bloodline differences.

"Social Darwinism" was an attempt by the rich, thanks to Herbert Spencer, to derail that upsetting idea.

If that isn't a contribution to economics, what is?

[–]Kai_DaigojiDon't hate the language-player, hate the language-game 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It isn't, actually. It's a contribution to sociology maybe.

[–]AngryDM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Contrary to what praxxers believe, no, economics don't happen in a vacuum. Economics are tied to sociology, to politics, even to the natural possibilities and limitations dictated by geology and biology and meteorology, among many other things.

[–]DankeBernanke 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're right, he gave actual economists bullshit theories to disprove empirically

[–]ArcadePlusNOT A SCIENCE 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

More BadX wars! I love it. Most economic graduates aren't really exposed to Marxian economics in any kind of pluralistic way unless they attended the New School or U. Mass at Amherst or something. So, you probably ought to forgive them their crude characterizations of his thought.

[–]gangstacompgod 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is more overrated than Kanye West

Well that ain't much of a bar to clear

e: Okay, fess up, which one of you can't read?

[–]FreddyBananas 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came here to praise yeezus and was happy to find I was beaten to it here and in the linked post.

[–]EvanHarperaka /u/EvanHarper 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

M I N O R   P O S T – R I C A R D I A N

[–]FAN_ROTOM_IS_SCARY 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smh at the Yeezy militia's no-show in these comments so far. Insulting Marx is one thing, spreading mendacious bile about the immortal science of Yeism is quite another.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" -5ポイント-4ポイント  (41子コメント)

I mean, the linked comment is pretty much right. Marx has had much more of an influence in sociological fields. What has Marx to say about epistemology, metaphysics, ethics, logic, philosophy of mind?

Not a whole lot, folks.

Now, social sciences are important, I suppose. And in Marx's day the distinction between sociology and philosophy was still blurred, but I don't even think Marx would count himself as a great philosopher. He probably thought of himself as a political/economic theorist.

/now let me go flip through my Marx reader to see how wrong I am and try to rush back to walk back this comment.

Edit: Just checked the book:

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/karl-marx-9780198782650?cc=us&lang=en&

Looks like I was correct.

Edit 2: Typos.

[–]MyShitsFuckedDown3[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

lol

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're right, that guy probably never read a paper that argued Marx was the most important philosopher in history. Or if he or she did, that paper was not written by a philosopher or historian.

I stand corrected, the comment was not pretty much right. It was mostly wrong, except for the bit about Mama Teresa and Marx not being all that philosophically important.

As for Ye: sorry, he can't rap... but he's a decent producer, so in that respect he deserves credit. But he's still a terrible, terrible human being.

[–]International_WatersBeyond Learns, living dangerously 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

As for Ye: sorry, he can't rap... but he's a decent producer, so in that respect he deserves credit. But he's still a terrible, terrible human being.

Why do people feel the need to share their stupid fucking opinions?

[–]deep__webMajored in John Green studies 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

[Kanye]

A brave opinion to have in what has essentially become another typical metareddit sub.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually don't follow crap rap any more. Does Kanye still produce for Twista?

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm going to disagree.

Although Marx is definitely first and foremost a political economist, his influence on philosophy has been significant. I think Balibar said something along the lines of 'there is no Marxist philosophy, but Marx is ever more important for Philosophy'.

Part of the issue is that Marx's philosophy was subsumed within his greater project, so it's not as if their really is a coherent Marxist philosophy for people to ascribe to. That said, I can think of more than a few continentals that have a fair amount of Marx in their blood (Gramsci and Althusser spring to mind, but I'm nowhere near qualified enough to speak on them beyond 'they said stuff about class').

I mean, sure, Marx ain't Hegel, or Kant. But his materialism, and more importantly his thesis of class struggle and focus on praxis as the 'point' of theory, probably count as original important works in the field of philosophy.

N.B. Also, Marx gave us Zizek. Need I say any more?

[–]InertiaofLanguage 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think Heidegger and his antecedents had much to do with Marx, tbf.

However, I do think it interesting how the Eco-Marxists (people like Lowy) have found themselves converging on Heidegger at times.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sartre didn't at first, but then claimed to be a follower of Marx in his later writing. Also, Heidegger most likely passed over Marx for political reasons.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sartre was a sneaky Marxist all along. Well, he was French, and they're kind of the same thing...

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, good point. If there's a more damning criticism of Marx's philosophical pretensions than that, I don't know what it could be.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

influence on philosophy has been significant

I mean, has it tho? See my comment above... the one to which you replied.

N.B. Also, Marx gave us Zizek. Need I say any more?

No, thats quite enough. Take a good look around... not even the conties like Zizek.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

I mean, has it tho? See my comment above... the one to which you replied.

... yeah?

Isn't that what I was kind of driving at? Even if we exclude political philosophy (in which I think it would be rather uncontroversial to say Marx is a kinda big figure) he's influenced large parts of the Continental tradition. I mean, Althusser and Foucault clearly have Marx in their work. And loads of the feminist philosophers draw on him.

Obvs, if you equate philosophy with analytic philosophy, then yeah Marx is a nobody. But doing that would be silly.

Take a good look around... not even the conties like Zizek.

I'm pretty sure conties like no one, even themselves.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Nah, Foucault ripped off Nietzsche. Althusser, whoever that is, was, from what I gather on the internet, a self-proclaimed Marxist and commentator on Marx. But that's fine, it has just been my experience reading Marx that I encounter unphilosophical declarations about this or that with little to no coherent arguments with a sprinkle of complaints about bourgeois stuff... not exactly intellectually stimulating.

However, how this was applied social movements is admirable... but that doesn't make it philosophy.

Please note that I'm not saying that Marx was unimportant, per se. I'm just saying that philosophically he's unimportant. And, in the social sciences is where he has really left a mark... or several Marx, if you will. Also, I openly admit the the social sciences are important, I suppose.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nah, Foucault ripped off Nietzsche

I mean, Nietzsche was probably a bigger influence on Foucualt than Marx, but Discipline and Punish has some quite obvious 'social reproduction of Labour' vibes going for it. And let's not forget, he at least dabbled with the Communist Party.

Althusser, whoever that is, was, from what I gather on the internet, a self-proclaimed Marxist and commentator on Marx

And a big influence on continental philosophy. Which is the point I was trying to make (also, in his later life, an actual crazy philosopher)

But that's fine, it has just been my experience reading Marx that I encounter unphilosophical declarations about this or that with little to no coherent arguments with a sprinkle of complaints about bourgeois stuff... not exactly intellectually stimulating.

That's not been my experience of Marx at all. If anything, he's a literal ponderous and could do with a bit more declaration.

And he definitely makes a coherent argument (except for the parts where he died before he finished them but #what you gonna do)

However, how this was applied social movements is admirable... but that doesn't make it philosophy.

'course not. The fact it was really influential on continental philosophy makes it philosophy.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

. The fact it was really influential on continental philosophy makes it philosophy

Oh, wait. I missed this.

I think you've got this backwards. Greek myths were really influential for ancient Greek philosophers, does that make the Illiad a work of philosophy? Or Hesiod a philosopher? Or, when Plato and Aristotle talk about rhetoric and music are they really making philosophical claims?

I'd say, no. That doesn't mean that they're talking nonsense, though, the Ionian mode really does make you lazy... but that's not a philosophical statement.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

the Illiad a work of philosophy?

Perhaps. I think at least contains philosophical dimensions, even if they are wrapped up in a Narratival form.

I think our dispute likely stems from how one defines philosophy and what form philosophy should take. Obviously, being correct, my slightly amorphous wibbly-wobbly view is better than yours, but I can see how you'd end up at your position.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would hope... I mean, all I said was that Marx's ideas and thought have been far more influential in the social sciences than in philosophy proper. And this, in turn, led to the completely uncontroversial statement that continental "philosophy" isn't really philosophy.

I think we're all on the same page, here.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this, in turn, led to the completely uncontroversial statement that continental "philosophy" isn't really philosophy.

Sounds like pure ideology to me. "Sniffs"

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

The fact it was really influential on continental philosophy makes it philosophy.

My mother was influential on me but that doesn't mean she's me.

Silly conty.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You still want to fuck her though

#FREUD2k16

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you being ultra meta and subtly accepting you were wrong by referencing another non-philosopher who's been hugely influential in continental philosophy?

Typical conty has to hide the meaning of his writing.

[–]Athanasiusclerosis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I like your reading of my comment, I was actually just being rather puerile and saying you wanted to fuck your mother.

[–]TheFirstDeadcultural menshevik 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, Marx is hugely important. There's a strain of epistemological relativism running through his work that is clearly influential on people like Althusser (who I believe was Foucault's supervisor, in addition to being hugely influential on a lot of critical theory types) and Foucault. You don't get postmodernism (to the extent it's a thing) without Marx. If you've read Marx, you see him everywhere in Foucault.

And to the extent that Marx doesn't always do philosophy the way you expect it, it's not that Marx wasn't a philosopher, so much as he rejected philosophy in its own terms. 'The formulation of a question is its solution.' I know that's a bit radical for filthy analytics and realists, but there you have it.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please note that I'm not saying that Marx was unimportant, per se. I'm just saying that philosophically he's unimportant. And, in the social sciences is where he has really left a mark.

Ur banned for not reading.

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Now, social sciences are important, I suppose.

Real subtle. ;)

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Inorite? But I'm actually taking it pretty easy on Marx. The further away from pure theory we get (and the closer to practical/applied stuff), the further we get from philosophy.

You should hear me talk about STEM fields being "lesser sciences." I think I used that in a reply to some chemist or biologist on reddit. It was hilarious.

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well if I can be serious here for a moment, and at the risk of descending into dangerous learns territory: Have you considered the fact that Marx had a big bushy beard? Now, I'm no expert on history, but I'm pretty sure lots of facial hair is strongly correlated with philosophy.

Just some food for thought.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh I know. This is actually one of the main themes we talked about re Marx being the best of Hegel's successors.

Little known fact, however, is that Engels was the one to actually maintain that beard. Some even call Marx a hypocrite because of this.

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well that is a very fascinating critique and I'll have to think on it for a while.

As a preliminary rejoinder, I'd like to offer an anti-Kripkean suggestion that, if Engels was in fact responsible for Marx's beard, we would more properly say that "Marx" refers to Engels. I'm sure you're aware of the controversy regarding whether Shakespeare wrote the plays attributed to him, and this seems a suitable analogy: it seems that Shakespeare must have written Shakespeare's plays because the identifying mark of Shakespeare is that he wrote those plays. I'm sure I don't have to join the dots to show how this shows Engels was in fact Marx's beard.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Engels was in fact Marx's beard.

I'm right with you.

Shakespeare, Hamlet, Francis Bacon... it's all the same body of writing.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter whether it's Ham, Bacon, or Shakespeare's corpus, it all goes great with eggs and coffee.

[–]PlausibleApprobationZarathustra Mk. III: The meaning of the Reddits 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should probably consider polishing this up for publication.

[–]FAN_ROTOM_IS_SCARY 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey this might come off as insincere but I'm really not trying to be. I just have trouble understanding implication and this comment's kind of messing with me atm because I can't quite get a read on it and that bugs me.

Are you being sarcastic/trolling? No offence, but what you're saying (to me at least) seems so obviously wrong and misinformed that my knee-jerk reaction is to think that there's a joke that I'm missing somewhere, but the way everyone's acting doesn't seem to suggest that at all.

If you're being serious then w/e I'm not gonna argue about it but I'd just like to know for sure whether you are or not in the end.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't worry, I'm not going to ban anyone or anything.

Just ask yourself this, what has Marx to say about metaphysics, epistemology, ontology, etc.? And if he does have something to say about any core philosophical areas of study, have these been his most influential ideas?

[–]FAN_ROTOM_IS_SCARY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright, cool dude, good to know. I still think you're completely misinformed and probably need to read more Marx/Engels (and conty phil. in general tbh) but I'm happy to have a solid answer.

[–]pravdamcgill 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think that's a rather narrow view of marxism/philosophy in general. Marx had something to say about literally everything you just listed. Dialectical/Historical materialism, the theory of alienation, etc those ideas form a larger worldview that touches on metaphysics/ethics/logic and everything else you mentioned. Here's a utilitarian view of Marxism where the author interprets the labour theory of value as a philosophical theory on justice, for instance: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2025116?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents It's very popular in some circles to try and devalue or understate marx's work. Most of the time, it's done for ideological reasons. I don't think that's what you were doing, but I think that's worth mentioning.

[–]Son_of_Sophroniscusfeatured in "I Dream of Wires" 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I take a narrow view of philosophy. I need to, as it's my fake reddit job. Marxism, on the other hand, seems to be ubiquitous.

For example, archaeology. But as far as I know, Marx was not an archaeologist.