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[Lovecraft] Defeating the Eldritch (self.AskScienceFiction)

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[–]F0RGERY 27ポイント28ポイント  (16子コメント)

A pyromancer can only affect flame, which in turn is limited to their own awareness. They can't summon fire in the 5th dimension, simply because he can't comprehend it. To destroy an Old God, you would have to defy the realms of human comprehension, not simply be greater than any mortal.

Killing an Eldritch god is no small feat. To do so, you have to have equal or greater strength to that of the god itself, as well as an innate understanding of how they function. The very presence of an Old god warps the world around them. To attack one of these beings would be akin to a drawing trying to kill a human; Not only absurd, but beyond the realm of reality as we know it.

[–]grimm232[S] -9ポイント-8ポイント  (15子コメント)

Let's assume here, for the sake of the question, that these flames are reality warping an can indeed be created in the 5th dimension. And that said pyromancer has understanding of the Old Gods and is not warped/distorted by their presence. Drawings have known to come to life and kill humans in science fiction and horror stories. For it to happen would be beyond our understanding but it could happen.

[–]Prototype Extra-Liminal Interstitial Nirnian Assault LatticeProtostorm216 41ポイント42ポイント  (5子コメント)

said pyromancer has understanding of the Old Gods and is not warped/distorted by their presence.

See that's just not possible. You're asking me to be dry while underwater.

Drawings have known to come to life and kill humans in science fiction and horror stories. For it to happen would be beyond our understanding but it could happen.

There was something for those drawings to escape into though. There is nothing beyond the "dream". It is all Azathoth (think I've got the right guy). He is everything.

[–]F0RGERY 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Azathoth is the correct eldritch god that dreams the universe. The thing is, you can be dry underwater when an Old God is concerned. Reality is warped by their presence in that it no longer makes sense as we know it. Laws of nature are just suggestions, and are rarely, if ever, followed.

[–]Prototype Extra-Liminal Interstitial Nirnian Assault LatticeProtostorm216 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yeah, but that's not what I meant. I meant that's an impossible circumstance. You can't have an understanding of the Elder Gods and not be "warped/distorted by their presence".

[–]rogthnor 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you add enough caveats anyone can do anything. The elder gods can be killed since that is what you are really asking. They are just so much stronger than us that anything that can kill them can no longer be considered human.

[–]hamelemental2 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The drawing is another poor example. The elrditch gods are extradimensional in a way that we can't comprehend. No analogy is going to be adequate to explain the difference between us and them. That's sort of the point of the stories, they're literally unknowable.

But, I've read some of your other answers, and this whole discussion seems to boil down to us saying "No, because reasons X Y and Z" and you saying "well the pyromancer's not effected by X Y and Z," in which case, of course the pyromancer would win because you can just arbitrarily increase her powers over and over until she's a God herself, so what's the point of even asking us?

edit - I should specify, it's not really a poor example, it's actually a really good one, but I don't think it's gonna get the point across.

[–]F0RGERY 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Then the flames made have to be created within the same dimension as the old gods, be distinctly created to be able to harm an old god (Meaning they must be eldritch in origin as well) and also be able to kill all concurrent forms of the old god. By all concurrent forms, I mean that an Eldritch horror exists in all dimensions at once, which is why humans can both be able to acknowledge the old gods and yet not understand them at all. As such, the flames that can pierce the old gods must be able to warp the nature of reality in multiple dimensions at once, and even then its a stretch.

Let me put the nature of the old gods into perspective: This universe is believed to be just the dream of one of them. They are more like a force of nature than an actual living creature. It would be like trying to kill a hurricane or burn an earthquake to death. While they have more tangible forms than other disasters, they still are tied to the universe in unknowable ways. Their injury may be what destroys the world as we know it, and despite the danger their continued existence poses, it is infinitely better than the risk of what killing one might invoke.