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[Megathread 2.0] General Mourinho Discussion (self.reddevils)

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To fill the need of everyone wanting to talk about our new manager.

  • Who do you think he'll sign?

  • Who do you think he'll sell?

  • What does this mean for Mata?

  • What formation will we play?

  • Will he continue to develop our youth?

And whatever other questions :-)

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[–]AxelniteMata 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

He hasn't even managed a game yet, but other fans are hating. Loving it!

[–]XXX-Rx_RnRSir Alex 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's expected. ABU ain't that right?

[–]PrincessLeiasBuns 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, it's been so long until I saw ABU written anywhere. Love it!

[–]FilipinooFlash 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Take a look at /r/gunners rival watch thread. So much rage

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As Jose said: Shhhhhh. :)

[–]Crusty_Gammon_Flaps 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we get Zlatan it will be insane. I hope we can get transfers done quick so they they can all get a chance in preseason.

[–]BaelixNemanja, whooahhoohhohhhoh 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm still over here like..

Edit: Managed roughly -50 in about 20 minutes on r/soccer. Feels good to be home! :)

[–]daveorManchester United 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zlatan - hes become a specialist at bullying smaller teams.
This isn't to say he isn't good in big games but hes dominant vs smaller sides. Hopefully he can turn some of these drab draws/narrow losses like we had vs Norwich, Bournemouth and Sunderland into wins.

[–]matarmhrqMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those are the games that lost us the CL spot (that and the shit football). We didnt do too badly against the bigger teams, Arsenal and Spurs away aside.

[–]fasimm[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have disliked him for so long, he's been the enemy. How can he make me start to love him after one short interview? Hope I guess

[–]ThisisHodor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jose Mourinho's Red Army!

But seriously, I think this is the end for Mata. If we end up signing Willian and Rooney moves to midfield, then there's no room for him in the squad. Herrera is better defensively, I think Mourinho will make Schneiderlin come good again, and we will probably sign a playmaker.

[–]XXX-Rx_RnRSir Alex 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who does u/D1794 want to see the most around Old Trafford next season?

[–]pearlz176The Ginger Prince 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why are we not being linked with Right Wingers? Apart from Willian(which isn't realistic), all we see are links to strikers and CBs.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The window isn't even open yet plenty of time for RW transfer sagas

[–]Flameboy42Made the Scousers Cry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heck, our new manager has only signed today I'm sure there will be a few leaks down the line.

[–]AxelniteMata 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Just need Zlatan now to be signed up

[–]Moccabear64 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

i got down voted for sharing my opinion that he would be good but i am sceptical of his transition into england and his ability to add to building of something lasting, but the more i see it the more excited i get about zlatan coming i read his book and he is a character and was right about lvg

[–]AxelniteMata 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

He will score goals. We need goals. We lost 4th place due to a lack of goals

[–]Moccabear64 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

yeah at the expense of emerging talent but a selection headache is a good headache to have

[–]AxelniteMata 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Martial hasn't done bad on the wings, likewise with Rashford. All will be rotated, they're still young. By the time Zlatan leaves they'll be ready

[–]Moccabear64 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

memphis, lingard, wilson, pereira all emerging with pereira wilon and lingard having won under 21 trophies. with pereira having frequent success lets give them a run once in a while i think but anyways i dream hahaha

[–]MichelPlatini 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I would prefer to see sensational martial up top than very good martial on the wings.

I think he is wasted on wings.

[–]AxelniteMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is given space to drift in from the wings to run at players though from the wings

[–]Scarred_ShadowMartial Law 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think if Mata leaves, Valencia could be a plausible destination. I know player trades don't happen anymore, but with Mourinho's reported interest in Andre Gomes and Mata's history with Valencia, I think there could be a deal there.

[–]rdzzlPowell 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mustafi would be brilliant.

[–]jbiresqHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mendes links too.

[–]brownbeaver2412Smalling 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want mourinho to bring the fear factor back to the club. I want to maul the shit teams in the league, not stick 1 goal past them after 2 fucking shots on target. I want pulis to feel the need to play two goalkeepers and 10 centre backs against us to keep us out.

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

Giggs, please leave now.

[–]kartwoseMcNair 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

It think it's strange that everyone were so concerned about Giggs' position when LvG arrived and don't seem to give a single fuck now.

[–]ColdandTenseMartial 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not sure about "everyone", but I haven't wanted him in any kind of management or coaching position since he stopped playing. Despite being a "legend", there's absolutely no reason to think he is any good at managing. I mean, FFS, he'd never managed a day in his life when his name was being thrown in the ring to take over this club. And he's still shown nothing to suggest he's capable.

"He gets on well with the players and they trust him." Well that's really nice, but that doesn't mean he's ready to manage a Premier League team for 38 games against Pep, Klopp and co., or that he has the ability to lead a European campaign.

I'm just so tired of seeing his uninterested face. He offers nothing. Just leave.

[–]heapaleapMouuuuu 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why the hell would you put legend in quotations? The man epitomizes United through and through. He HAS managed a "day in his life". Did you forget the end of Moyes' season?

I do agree he should gain a bit of experience first, hopefully at the U-21s, but damn man...no need to bad-mouth the man. Plastic.

[–]DJkoolkidzklanMartial the LEGEND 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nothing has shown he's a good manager, but nothing has shown he's a bad manager either. I don't think it's bad at all that he sticks around.

[–]heapaleapMouuuuu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. No harm in giving him the 21s. Guardiola and Zidane both started with youth teams. And yes, the argument is that they play in the actual spanish divisions but I don't think going to the championship or lower is gonna help giggs any more than coaching the 21s or 18s. Look at our youth this past year. They're clearly right on the cusp (and some are over that) of PL quality so if he spent a few years with the 21s running through the rest of the league I'd be comfortable with him post-Mourinho

[–]VicodinPieCarrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Funny, I'm more concerned for him now because I really don't know what he's going to do. With LVG, I thought he'd be assistant. But with Mourinho I just don't know.. Will he stay and be assistant? Will he go manage somewhere else? Would he take a roll with the youth teams to coach within United? I just don't know!

[–]Spitfire221Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He should take a youth coaching role. Viera and Zidane both did the same and Zidane now has Madrid and Viera '"Man City America" (potentially as a stepping stone to the City job.) If Giggsy can succeed coaching United's next generation, then he has a great platform to progress in management from.

[–]ccdewa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's enough for him to be assistant, he need a real coaching experience now and he can't do it here, so yeah he must leave

[–]have_free_phone_con 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems like a good head-to-head comparison: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10295131/jose-mourinhos-record-against-guardiola-wenger-ranieri-klopp-pochettino-and-conte

[–]capedcrushredder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fervently hope he'll sign Zlatan. If he scores 30+ goals again in the PL, it'll just be an added bonus to the swagger he brings to the pitch and (hopefully) the confidence to the dressing room. The younger lads will only benefit from his experience.

I read he isn't too impressed with Smalling and Blind as a CB pairing, so a decent CB is on the cards. Who exactly, time will tell.

He may let the likes of Carrick and Rojo leave. Mata, i hope he retains, even if as an impact sub. He's a quality player and a fantastic human being, a great ambassador for the club and football in general.

I'd go with a 4-2-3-1 for the bigger games and 4-3-3 or a wide 4-4-2 diamond for the more routine ones. Would personally love to see a Zlatan/Martial pairing up front with Rashford being subbed in, in the second half, assuming Zlatan's body can't take the strain of a full-length PL match.

With the youth, he seems to be showing signs of relenting a little if he thinks they have what it takes (Zouma at Chelsea is the most recent example that comes to mind). That said, hope Pereira, TFM, CBJ and Varela get decent runs out, especially in Cup ties, with Shaw firmly in the first-team picture.

Lastly, imho it would be best to allow Januzaj and Memphis to leave for loans at clubs wherein they would get a lot of playing time, they're flair players and they need that confidence of having carried a team/been indispensable to a squad to get their mojo back.

Here's hoping Mou's track record remains...well, on track.

[–]ShawkingShawtShaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't wait for the new season to begin now. It's going to be a long summer with all the transfer rumours..

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least we have the Euros this summer!

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think he'll try to sign: Zlatan, Griezmann, one of Stones/Greek dude, one of Kroos/Neves/Gomes

Won't sell many: One of Jones/Rojo, Mata

Play 4-3-3 in big games and 4-2-3-1 against smaller teams

He will play the youth players that were already given a chance by LVG. So likely won't see Tuanzebe or Williams this next season. They are really the only two who have yet to break into the senior squad that are ready from u21.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't see Griezmann leaving this summer.

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me either but I think Jose will try.

[–]murica_sauceVidić 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Griezmann looks primed to be this summer's Muller. Everyone would love to have him. Everyone will get their hopes up. But everyone will be forced to admit come August that it makes no sense for him to leave the club he's currently with (at least not right now).

I hope I'm wrong, though.

[–]gldmartinDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like we are already a better team.

[–]Gugg256 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Never in my life would I have thought I'd see Mourinho (AND possibly) Zlatan at United. Am I dreaming?

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always through Mourinho would manage Utd. Didn't expect Zlatan to ever play here though

[–]electrocloqSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Need to improve on our right winger first. Then, a centre midfield who fits Mourinho playstyle, like Matic. Then, a cb to partner Smalling. But, of course, Ibrahimovic should be included as well.

[–]Apocalypse37APOCALYPSE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • He's gonna attract pure class players, for sure. I can see the likes of Willian and James Rodriguez being available. But we need a Ramos/Vidic like character holding our defense together. The refurbished squad is beginning to gel together so a complete overhaul could disrupt the foundation. I don't expect more than 4 ins.

  • I think that will depend on how the players progress in the Euro. Fellaini seems to be the likliest. I'm seriously worried about Shaw, though. The lad has the potential to be the best LB in our history but Mou thinks he is overrated. Maybe we'll loan out a few like Januzaj and Borthwick-Jackson. Memphis can possibly improve.

  • Mata sadly, will be taken down again. Herrera can flourish and knowing Mou's love for Rooney, I seriously doubt Mata's chances. Especially if Mou intends on buying a more physical CAM. But you also have Lingard to make quick runs from right so Mata won't be having that role either.

  • 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 due to the amount of pace we've got running through the flanks. Expect Martial to be fed fully with all the crosses coming in. If we get Ibra, I expect us to play with two up front. More like a diamond formation.

  • If he sees potential, he will. But Mou barely pays any attention to the youth. But I expect him to uplift Pereira, Varela and TFM.

[–]Irru 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get that people are happy, but the general mood here is that we've already won the 16/17 season.

Just... keep a cool head is my advice. After what happened to the Leauge this year, I'm not taking anything for granted.

[–]manunited9Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obviously I hope he brings in Zlatan for a season or 2 to help us compete this next year. I also hope he can bring in at least one other large signing, my dream is AG. In addition resign Carrick for another year and then bring in a CB.

Formation I think depends on what our squad looks like, but it could be a 4-4-1-1.

[–]StarLordOMTHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I really hope Mata stays. He is my favourite and besides unlike at Chelsea there is no one 'better' than him.

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think he's gone unless Mou changes his mindset and builds a team around him as #10. Which I don't think is likely lol

[–]murica_sauceVidić 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mata is one of those odd "luxury" players where you can't doubt his talent, but have trouble pin-pointing where he fits into a lineup.

[–]CircleToShoot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would think Jose will hang on to him for as long as needs be and once the replacement comes in, he's gone.

[–]StarLordOMTHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh well I hope he goes to somewhere that appreciates him as much as we do. Probably some club in Spain.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I think Zlatan will be done before the Euros. Aside from him who knows, the Manolas rumors are exciting.

Don't believe that Willian rumors we'd have to pay a lot I feel.

I think Mata is safe for now we don't have better options then him right now depending on signings I can see him staying.

[–]erelimAnder Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought we'd get the same kind of siege mentality back with LvG but I was wrong, he was hard on the media but not to the extent that fergie and mou were. I hope mou brings that back, we need old Trafford to become a fortress again.

[–]skorponok 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell use 4-2-3-1. Zlatan will be brought in as the veteran presence to help the two young forwards. They will sign a centre back and probably a new right winger. Goodbye Juan Mata.

[–]moaetaMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's important to realize that we won't sign many big names this summer because of no Champions League.

I'm more excited for next summer transfers, when we'll be back to CL and hopefully with a title, a destination craved by players. This trash as happened with this Benfica dude that chose Bayern won't happen next summer.

[–]ccdewa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just hope that he'll give our youth a chance even if it's just for rotation, what they need is more minutes of playing

[–]kurama51 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Mourinho will bring that fear factor back to United. With Fergie teams would be scared to come to Old Trafford, under Moyes and Van Gaal I feel teams did not see us as much of a threat. As for signings, you can be almost certain he is going to bring in someone from one of his previous clubs. I would not be surprised if he brings in Varane, Azpelicueta or even Willian. With Chelsea, Mourinho did not have a lot of restrictions on how he could play, so he chose to play a more tactical defensive game parking the bus so to speak). However I feel with United he has to play more entertaining and attractive football, he needs the creativity of Mata and will probably keep him for a few seasons.

[–]jtopou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Mou has proved that he can win titles.What he wants to prove with us is that he can also build dynasties. He has huge admiration for SAF and he wants to try to replicate what SAF has achieved in terms of longevity. He believes that filling SAF's shoes at MU could be his greatest achievement as manager.

He can revive underperforming players like Darmian and Memphis and he will continue to develop our youth.Rashford,TMF and Mcnair can become great players under him. Darmian is a Mou type of full back and he will have a great career under him. Basti will have a great season as well.

I don't think that he wants to make a tone of transfers.Zlatan, a CB like Manolas,a RW and a DM for the first window.A great DM is always fundamental on Mou's teams and I can see him spend big for a DM.

[–]maaahirScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My only concern is the youth.

What happens to Martial, Rashford, Depau, Fosu Mensah, Periera, Januzaj etc?

[–]ttjoelkerMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we'll see a different Mourinho. He'll play the youth, he'll develop our squad as opposed to buying a bunch of class, quality players and spending a ton of money. We'll play exciting football. I do not think he will sell Mata. He may not use him every game, but he'll keep him around. He's a fan favourite, that has to account for something.

[–]noahcg123Her<3rera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of question marks right now surrounding the team, but the buzz and excitement right now is awesome.

[–]rayray604Van Persie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he'll sign Zlatan, Manolas and possibly William, that would reinforce our much need areas (ST, CB and RW). I don't see him selling that many players on his first year, he might get rid of Januzaj, Rojo and/or James Wilson. I think he'll play a 4-2-3-1 like he did at Chelsea

Valencia---Smalling---Manolas---Shaw

   Schneiderlin------Herrera

            Rooney

Willian-----------Zlatan-------Martial

I'm very optimistic on our youth. I think he'll further develop Rashford, TFM, CBJ and Lingard and give them much playing time.

[–]repliestotwats 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we need to sign a top centre back. For me, Rojo hasn't been good enough. I can see Blind staying but playing in a more advanced position or as backup for Shaw at full back.

I reckon he'll set us up like this with Rooney as a 10 and Herrera as an 8.

-------------Zlatan--------------

Martial----Rooney----Memphis

----Schneiderlin----Herrera

Shaw---Smalling---X---Darmian

--------------De Gea------------

edit: Im trying to format this shit bear with me - right that's as good as you're gonna get

[–]Moccabear64 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i don't want to sound romantic but there is something different bout Mourinho's demeanor. and there is a different sense of excitement and expectancy. i think we have player like Memphis, pereira and rashford who are going to absolutely thrive under a brilliant people person like mourinho but time will tell.

[–]IwanJones10Martial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Signings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psxzv0k6Rc0
Zlatan, James, Manolas, Varane, Griezmann

Sell: Fellaini, Blind, Mata, Jones, Rojo
Loan: Januzaj, Memphis, Rashford, Borthwick-Jackson, Perriera

Stated above

4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 

              Zlatan
   Martial---Herrera---James
           Schniederlin
Shaw---Varane---Smalling---Darmian
             De Gea

Yes

EDIT: Again people now knowing how to use downvoting

[–]Foothills16Steph Curry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

please dont loan Rash, Memphis, and BoJack. As weve learned, injuries happen

[–]IwanJones10Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very very true. We have to play them then because they need game time especially Memphis.

[–]ccdewa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our squad is thin enough, and if that many player is being sell/loaned i can't imagine if one of our key player is injured or suspended who will replace them

[–]datguywilson -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i love murino i want cr7 and bae and zlatan ibrahimoviks we wil win the ligue

/s