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Yorke On SSN - "Giggs must have a clause in his contract stating he takes over from Jose if he is to stay at the club" (self.reddevils)

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Very interesting interview from Yorke on snn as hes someone that has (according to reports) been one of the people that has been pushing Sir Alexs message that Giggs should have been given the job.

Some quotes

  • The job should have gone to Giggs but now it hasnt there is only one man that should take over and thats Jose
  • Hes delighted its gone to Jose
  • He should take the club back to the a title challenging team
  • Hes inherited a great team that LVG has built
  • LVG hasnt been able to make this team challenge for the title
  • Zlatan is a good fit for United at the minute, hes been tremendous for PSG
  • The club is still a huge draw and they should be able to attract top name talent, it helps that everyone wants to play in the premier league
  • I think the club should find a role for Giggs.
  • He should be following the likes of Pep and Zidanne that hes given the managers job
  • The club have to make him an assistant again and he should have a clause in his contract making him the manager when Jose leaves

Thoughts?

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[–]DublinguistSmalling 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

Giggs has to go. If we wanna forget the past 3 years we gotta lose this old guard specter hanging over the manager. It's been leaked that under moyes and LVG the players went to Giggs when they weren't happy, he's a threat to the managers control of the type that fergie wouldn't have allowed in a million years.

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I totally agree. I'm not ashamed to admit that in the last couple of years I've done a 180 with regards to Giggs position at United. When Moyes was appointed and most of us were unaware of the shitstorm coming our way, the idea of Giggsy taking over in a few years sounded amazing. But it was all so romanticized, then reality hit us hard with Moyes being a disaster, and then with someone like LvG not even being able to bring us back to the top level, it became obvious that if we appointed Giggs we were just gonna go the Liverpool way... or at the very least there was a huge risk to go that way. Also, like you mentioned, even under LvG it felt that Giggsy totally undermined his leadership, I don't think Mou would tolerate that and it could get ugly.

[–]LDN2016Pay Attention To The Manager. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we'd feel a lot different if this was Keane or Gary Neville being groomed to take over, they were basically leaders of the club from day 1. The transition makes sense.

Or if someone like Cristiano had stayed on. Watch his interviews and Madrid training sessions and it's like he's the dad and all these other superstars like Bale, James, Modric etc. are his children following him around trying to get on his good side.

Like Zidane, Ronaldo commands that authority and respect.

Giggs is a legend but he was always overshadowed by Becks, Scholes and Keane. He was never our best player. He was always world class but never the best or the designated leader on the pitch.

Keane, Neville, Cristiano would still be highly risky and debated but fans would have been a lot more comfortable with those hypotheticals under the right circumstances.

A Jose/G Nev team would still gain a lot more fan support than any sort of plan to put Giggs in charge.

[–]opdjasinJosé Mourinho 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

He should be following the likes of Pep and Zidanne that hes given the managers job.

Sigh...

[–]manudevil7Beckham 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't understand why some think Giggs will be Pep or Zidane. These two are not equivalent.

Guardiola had arguably the two greatest midfielders in Spain's history, arguably the greatest player of all-time, a world-class defense with Puyol and Pique, a great striker in David Villa, etc. Furthermore, Guardiola spent time travelling around the world, learning new languages, learning man-management, learning tactics in different sports and applying them to football. He also revolutionized Barca's B-team. What exactly has Giggs done? Nothing.

Zidane has world class players in every single position: Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Modric, Kroos, James, Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Carvajal, Navas, etc.

We do not have these sorts of players. Aside from our goalkeeper, there is not a single world class player in this squad. It's much easier managing a side for a legendary player when you have phenomenal players, not average players.

[–]StannisJrScholesy 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. Also I doubt Giggs could attract the players Jose can. Who wants to take a risk and work under a man who has no managerial experience, where we don't have the CL etc. And if we had taken that risk and it all went to shit, probably our best players/best prospects would want to leave for the good of their career.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Martial will not be staying here for long if we are constantly battling for fourth or fifth. Eventually, a club like RM will come for him, and he will leave.

Martial will want to be competing with the best of the best in the UCL, and if we cannot offer that, then he will leave.

We made the right choice in appointing Mourinho.

[–]RVallant 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think what people forget is the Spanish Reserves (or whatever for Real and Barca) actually play in the Spanish Leagues and not some shit U21's leagues.

So it isn't like Pep and Zidane took on the biggest clubs as their first appointment, they basically had a go in the Championship or whatever.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I wish England would institute such a system, because it provides invaluable experience to young players. The U-21 system is flawed, because we can play three outfield players over-21, so it becomes used as more so of a transition mechanism, like how LvG would have first-team players play in U-21 before they returned from injury, etc.

[–]ChickenWING84 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that in terms of managerial experience, Giggs has little direct experience. That being said, Guardiola only managed the B team prior to Barcelona and had a wealth of talent, then Bayern, hardly underpowered. Maybe he will go to Citeh and be rubbish. But i do object to saying "Guardiola was a world class midfielder".... And Giggs wasnt?! He was one of the all time greats. Just because he couldnt light it up on the international stage, we shouldnt forget that.

But I agree in the general sentiment, Giggs should cut his teeth maybe managing the U21s and then we can see.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

This would be a bad idea. If it is true that Joyce is leaving, let Giggs have the U-21 manager role. If Joyce is not leaving, Giggs should leave.

It's a huge risk to put that sort of clause into Giggs's contract. We have no idea what sort of manager he is, and also, it completely undermines Mourinho when his successor is at the club.

The club/former players needs to let Giggs move on, instead of anointing him as our next manager, because he was a great player.

[–]digitagCarrick 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

IMO there is no way the club would include such a clause. There's no way of knowing what the future holds and they'd be absolutely mad to enter into a contractual agreement with Giggs right now. Yorke is talking out of his arse.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree. It would be insane to give Giggs that sort of power. If we do that, then we might as well sack Mourinho now. It would destroy Mourinho's time here. He would have no authority, Giggs would always be lurking in the background, and Giggs would probably undermine him. It would be a disaster.

[–]vr_ms3Evra 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giggs isn't entitled to the job just because of his contributions as a player. That's just absurd.

[–]rk_metalsnowJosé Mourinho™ 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Loved Giggs as a player, but this whole "Giggs is United's messiah" rhetoric is making me sick of him, even if he isn't saying it himself.

[–]psychebruh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really doubt he would insert or has any such clause in his contract. Football is extremely uncertain and neither the club nor Giggs would want to be tied down to something like that.

[–]kw9403Rooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hes inherited a great team that LVG has built

Can't stress this point enough, LVG is an absolutely amazing manager and building foundation's for a club. He's done it at all the top clubs and now he's done it here. We must make the most of it and sign a few top players next year to achieve what we're capable of.

Hats off to LVG, he may of got the sack but the success that is about to follow will be down to him as much as anyone else. I'm proud to say he managed our team, a lot of people will bitch about 5th place but it doesn't matter when he's created a team like this and paved the way for the best~ manager on the planet

[–]fakeplasticairbag 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hats off to LVG, he may of got the sack but the success that is about to follow will be down to him as much as anyone

No it won't.

It will be down to the manager who actually wins something with them.

It is not an achievement to spend £250m on players, finish 5th with those players and have the next guy actually do something with them.

Also our squad really isn't that good at all. I expect Mourinho to dismantle most of it over the next 2 seasons.

[–]kw9403Rooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I expect him to dismantle it too but you can't negate all the work LVG has done on top of not getting us relegated.

[–]ThadderfulRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

not getting us relegated.

Wow what an achievement - I could have fucking kept us in the league...

[–]IDespot90Martial -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Good joke mate really, what foundation when we need to fucking invest like 200 M to be competitive. And oh please wait when we start playing like normal team and not to fucking send ball back against all teams then u will see how really good some players are and how much this sub overate them based on shit style we had.

[–]kw9403Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Think of all the deadwood that he had the balls to get rid of, now think of all the youth he brought through, and the defence he made into the best in the league. Mourinho will love the defence of Smalling, Darmian and Shaw and you obviously hate LVG but you can't deny his part in creating that trio

[–]IDespot90Martial 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Deadwood well played that is true but u dont need balls for it nothing special, defense was best because of our style of play when u play like we did hard to not look good defensive. As for young players u really think all of them will make it, Rashford only from that group who will make it and TFM is close others not really but as all fans we like to hype them based on fact they come from our academy. But maybe i rushed little, but fact is we will invest a lot and that alone show we lack in many areas.

[–]kw9403Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Name one other manager who has cleared players like LVG did? I agree with you on youth but name all the youth players who actually make it, De Bruyne is the only recent one I can think of. Rashford probably won't be more than rotation sorry to say, hate me for it but it's true

[–]IDespot90Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is point of bringing clearing players as some special even there he make mess selling Chicarito and Persie leaving us short in front and we end season with pathetic goals around 46, not to mention how much we could use them since in some game all we needed was 1 good finish. I sad Rashford as he is only who actually took his chance and show he can perform same for TFM not like mega overrated Pererira and Januzaj who people still think they have future, and yea he wont be more than rotation agree on that that is true. But my point is we give credit to Van Gaal much more than he actually deserve and hope this next season will show that he was nothing but fail in any possible way.

[–]M4NUN1T3DRojo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Joyce should take over if he shows enough promise at blackburn imo

[–]mink_manMourinho -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do we really have a great squad? Don't think so Yorkie.

No world class striker.

No proper right winger.

No proper back up right back.

No proper CB partner for Smalling

Ageing midfielders in Carrick, Schwin & Rooney.

[–]YoungPappy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No proper back up right back.

Darmian/Valencia?

[–]PM_Me_Your_StarBurnsBlind -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do we really have a great squad? Don't think so Yorkie.

No world class striker.

We have world class prospects and the likely introduction of Zlatan

No proper right winger.

You're right but he can buy one

No proper back up right back.

We have Darmian, Valencia and Varela... What more can you want?

No proper CB partner for Smalling

Fair enough.

Ageing midfielders in Carrick, Schwin & Rooney.

And not ageing midfielders like Blind, Herrera and Schneiderlin...