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[–]OriginalStomper 2647ポイント2648ポイント  (1421子コメント)

As fast-food places go, CFA is reputed to be the best employer. Guaranteed Sundays off, educational benefits, and other features which make it a good place to work so long as you aren't put off by public statements against homosexuality.

[–]SgtSlaughterEX 1803ポイント1804ポイント  (971子コメント)

Funny thing I knew a few gay people who worked at one. They said it was actually still really nice.

[–]ihazurinternet 1267ポイント1268ポイント  (838子コメント)

Yeah, one of the local CFA's has a couple of gay guys working there. Surprisingly, they don't seem to get a lot of shit about it, and this is the deep south.

To specify: Not just in the bible belt, I'm on the fucking buckle. AMA.

[–]FiremanHandles 1602ポイント1603ポイント  (707子コメント)

I've never really cared about their political stance, but for the most part, iirc, CFA wasn't out bashing the GBLT community, but were asked directly about their views of marriage. Their response was that they support traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

To me that's the equivalent of someone on reddit asking you, if you're a Christian, and you say yes, then getting roasted for it, versus proclaiming hellfire and damnation to all non believers.

That was a long time ago, again, I haven't followed CFA at all since then, so their position might have gotten more extreme since then, but that's how that whole "uproar" got started.

It sucks when I want it on Sunday's though. sadface.jpeg

[–]superkp 446ポイント447ポイント  (83子コメント)

I read your acronym and was really confused.

GBLT

a gay bacon lettuce tomato community.

EDIT: My most commented-on comment of...maybe the month. Good job guys.

[–]FiremanHandles 45ポイント46ポイント  (63子コメント)

I never remember how the acronym goes exactly, and it seems like letters are often getting added... But there are plenty of my coworkers that refer to it as "giblet" training. So GBLT it what always stuck in my head.

[–]Sloppy1sts 69ポイント70ポイント  (59子コメント)

I've never seen anything but the base LGBT with whatever additional letter or two added.

[–]Magneticitist 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember it by thinking it's the new phone from LG called the Butt Thrasher

[–]Potato_Mc_Whiskey 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

LGBTQA

They've got a quality assurance department now.

[–]secretpandalord 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think QA should have the right to marry until at least 50% of the bugs with marriage have been fixed. It's current year, what the hell are we doing still releasing social institutions without doing proper unit testing?

[–]qwertyslayer 12ポイント13ポイント  (39子コメント)

The correct form now is "LGBTQQIAAP".

No, I am not kidding.

[–]digikun 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why can't we just use QUILTBAG?

Questioning, Unsure, Intersex, Lesbian, Transexual, Bisexual, Asexual, and Gay?

[–]Lawadnorder 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because some people want THEIR special sexuality that they changed to this week represented. Basically, people are using gender and sexuality as a fashion statement and undoing years of hard work within the LBGT community to say "it's not a choice".

[–]F-Stop 5ポイント6ポイント  (23子コメント)

So what does the 'QQIAAP' stand for?

[–]BackflippingHamster 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

QQIAAP: Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Allies, and Pansexual.

[–]dontTHROWnarwhals 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally(?), pansexual(?) or polyamorous(?)

not sure about the P

[–]Watcherwithin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a gay guy, this is getting ridiculous.

[–]plaid_banana 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

It varies.

Some prefer GSRM (gender, sexual, and romantic minorities) and a few prefere MOGAI (marginalized orientations, genders, and identities). But tbh just about all the folks I know, myself included, just roll with LGBT or LGBTQ (the q being for queer). Or "alphabet soup", since we're just as averse to saying a mouthful as everyone else.

[–]TheMustangKingdom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember telling someone that the Q stood for queer, and another friend got really angry for using such a derogatory term and said it meant 'questioning' (which i guess is half-true).

She was so mad that I could be so blind to the struggles of the LGBTQ community, except for the fact that I learned the Q stood for Queer from my transgender professor, who was also the head of Queer Studies at my university.

[–]itchystarfish 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yo, we're gonna need some more trophies over here for these new special snowflakes!

[–]zap283 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

GLBT is also common! GBLT not so much. This is why I like GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) better, but nobody really knows that one yet.

[–]motorbacon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A local sandwich place does a fried green tomato BLT, and their sign for it always says FGBLT, which was sort of confusing the first couple of times that I saw it. Which is also confusing, because that would stand for "Fried Green Bacon Lettuce Tomato" which doesn't sound good at all.

[–]iCameToLearnSomeCode 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gay, bisexual, lesbian and transgender training. Your office parties must be wild.

[–]FoodBeerBikesMusic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giant bacon lettuce and tomato.

[–]rusmo 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

This fracas cost us their tasty chicken biscuits, nuggets, and sammiches in our work's cafeteria. The workplace hasn't been as happy since.

[–]Rhotomago 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the overlooked issue right here.

[–]AngeredByStatistics 448ポイント449ポイント  (516子コメント)

I think the problem is that they have given (perhaps still do? I don't know.) money to organizations that lobby/campaign against marriage equality.

I don't hate the company for it and if people want to work or eat at CFA I got no problem with it. I just personally don't eat there.

[–]19djafoij02 541ポイント542ポイント  (454子コメント)

The CEO/owner, yes. CFA as a chain of chicken restaurants has no corporate stance on gay marriage.

[–]whydoesmybutthurt 142ポイント143ポイント  (66子コメント)

so are we supposed to hate them or not for god sakes im so confused

[–]CannibalVegan 427ポイント428ポイント  (19子コメント)

You do the American thing, you publicly lambaste them for their policies, then go purchase some delicious chicken from them through drive through when no one is looking.

[–]phoenix_silaqui 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

But, it's CFA someone is always watching

In other news, I couldn't care less about their politics, I just wish they would make some peanut allergy friendly fries.

[–]phasormaster 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering that the owner has publicly befriended openly gay people, I'd say that "homophobic" is a gross misappellation.

[–]yourmother-athon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They use refined peanut oil which doesn't contain the proteins the trigger most peanut allergies. I'd still be careful though.

[–]Dergono 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You're in America now. Our idea of diplomacy is showing up with a gun in one hand and a sandwich in the other and asking which you'd prefer."

[–]chaynes 68ポイント69ポイント  (26子コメント)

They are impossible to hate as long as they are making the best chicken sandwich in the world.

[–]hadrianaoki 12ポイント13ポイント  (16子コメント)

Dam is it really that good? Never ate there. Might have to try it now.

[–]luger33 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's probably not going to live up to the hype / expectations created by the responses in this thread, but it's pretty fucking good. Add in their excellent waffle fries and you've got yourself a stew going.

[–]chaynes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's by far the best fast food I have ever had. I always see people swearing by In N Out, but after eating that a few times, I would say that Chickfila is much better.

[–]jmowens51 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty dang good. Try it at least once.

[–]Travistech 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Light, crumbly biscuits with evenly-breaded chicken. Slather on some CFA sauce and grab an order of waffle fries and you'll be in heaven. I don't eat there too often, since the location in my town is on the other side of things and I don't often end up on that side of town and hungry for chicken, but when I do it's a treat. Plus, some of the best customer service you could ask for.

[–]PanamaMoe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Until they make rules that discriminate you can like them all you want

[–]Delta_Foxtrot_1969 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate everyone equally. Fight discrimination!

[–]mexicanlizards 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

Take of it what you will, but both CFA and their charity arm donated millions and file amicus briefs in several court cases. The CEO made public statements and tweets in support of striking down gay marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy

[–]WikipediaPoster 55ポイント56ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy


American fast-food chain Chick-fil-A was the focus of controversy following a series of public comments made in June 2012 by chief operating officer Dan T. Cathy opposing same-sex marriage. This followed reports that Chick-fil-A's charitable endeavor, the S. Truett Cathy-family-operated WinShape Foundation, had donated millions of dollars to political organizations seen by LGBT rights activists as hostile to LGBT causes. LGBT activists called for protests and boycotts of the chain, while counter-protestors rallied in support by eating at the restaurants. National political figures both for and against the actions spoke out and some business partners severed ties with the chain. Chick-fil-A released a statement in July 2012 stating, "Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena." In March 2014, tax filings for 2012 showed the group stopped funding all but one organization which had been previously criticized.


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[–]wtfpwnkthx 255ポイント256ポイント  (253子コメント)

Actually the corporation was the entity giving money to anti-marriage equality groups. CEO made the statements but the organization was backing it up financially. They no longer support hate groups as of 2012 and publicly stated that they will leave marriage debates to politicians and continue to make sammiches.

[–]Wannabkate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how do they feel about bathrooms?

[–]aambro78 158ポイント159ポイント  (202子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually for Gay marriage. I'm not going to call a group a "hate" group just because they have a differing opinion than me. Just saying.

[–]4cornerhustler 79ポイント80ポイント  (4子コメント)

I know some groups with a differing opinion about African Americans. I still call them hate groups.

[–]jmpherso 253ポイント254ポイント x2 (127子コメント)

So is a peaceful "White Power" group a "hate" group, or no?

As a gay guy, I don't give two shits about what CFA does or doesn't do - but you can't just say

I'm not going to call a group a "hate" group just because they have a differing opinion than me.

They're not a hate group because they have a different opinion than you. Don't be an idiot.

They're hate groups because their agenda is literally to remove the civil liberties of gay people. To bring gay people down to a level which is below, or, at best, "separate but equal to" its peers.

You don't need to go all PC in the opposite direction and just act like everybody can have their own opinions. They can. But once you start politicizing those opinions and trying to infringe on the rights of others, it's no longer just an opinion, it's a hateful action.

[–]Quinnell 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

What defines a hate group? All groups that believe homosexuality is a sin or just the ones which actively seek to ban a gay persons right to a civil union with their same-sex partner?

My money is on the latter. People can believe it's a sin, but as long as they aren't seeking to take away liberties or treating them with disrespect, they're not hateful. In some Christian denominations, all sin is equal. I believe if you don't shun someone who uses fowl language (a sin) then there's no excuse to rail against someone who prefers the same gender for comfort.

Tldr: there are hate groups and then there are religious groups that don't agree with homosexuality but don't act like pricks about it. Live and let live.

[–]HungryMoblin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually mad that CFA gets all the attention when Salvation Army threatened to close their homeless shelters in New York if the city voted to give benefits to same-sex partners of their employees. They have a long history of doing just this, and everyone gives their money to the salvation army.

[–]aambro78 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

There are a lot of groups out there that feel that Civil Unions are acceptable for gay people, just not referring to it as the sanctity of marriage. While I don't agree with those people, if they are deeply religious, which I am not, they can feel the way they want to feel. Just because they feel gay people getting married is against their religion doesn't mean they hate all gay people.

[–]KaseyKasem 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

So is a peaceful "White Power" group a "hate" group, or no?

No, just like Black/African/Afrikan (or whatever) Supremacy groups aren't necessarily hate groups. Nationalists most likely, but not hate groups.

If they mean to go out and lynch people of other races, then sure.

[–]ztun 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds like you hate the hate groups that hate gay marriage. You should start a hate hate group.

[–]im_at_work_now 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, that's where they lose me. As soon as your platform is that some people inherently deserve a given right and others do not, you have crossed into a wholly different realm.

[–]1911_ 16ポイント17ポイント  (47子コメント)

By that standard nearly every group is a hate group. Lol democrats try and limit my civil liberties in more ways than one. That's a very poor way to define hate group.

[–]TheLastWondersmith 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is a peaceful "black power" group a hate group?

What about BLM?

[–]neither_party 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Remove the civil liberties of gay people?"

What hyperbole.

Try "interpret marriage the way it is interpreted by most major religions and the entire planet for the last 10,000 years"

[–]NAmember81 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

What if your opinion is that the holocaust is a hoax and that Jews and Blacks shouldn't be allowed to hold public office and you're a finacial supporter of neo-Nazis, that's not a hate group?

It's just an opinion that you don't agree with, right?

[–]Ipecactus 28ポイント29ポイント  (13子コメント)

What if their opinion is that blacks are inferior to whites and should only count as 3/5 of a person?

What if their opinion is that Jews are to blame for the holocaust?

I think the opinion does actually matter. Unless of course it's an opinion on whether the moon landing was a hoax or something that doesn't pertain to human rights.

[–]Racquethead 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

All hate is an opinion but not all opions are hateful.

[–]awapaho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only people who don't know anything about the 3/5 compromise use it as an argument. The South wanted slaves to count as a whole person for representation ratios.

[–]SpookyYeti 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's one thing to have an opinion, its another thing to donate money to deny another group marriage rights.

I was born and raised in this country, I served in the military, I pay my taxes and contribute to society and it baffles me that I wasn't even allowed to get married until two years ago.

[–]teclordphrack2 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Chic-fil-a and the owner openly gave money to organizations in Uganda that helped pass legislation to legalize the murder of gay people. How is that not funding hate groups?

[–]TheTodd15 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They explicitly funded Exodus International which actually supports gay conversion therapy and FRC which is listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group and which has Josh Duggar as its executive director...

[–]brickmack 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what would you call a group that exists for the sole purpose of hating other people and (in the case of at least one group the company funded) committing violence against them?

[–]LeftCheekRightCheek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, bud. "Hate group" is just one of those phrases coined by the left to make the stance look morally superior. It's just like the right calling LGBT unnatural.

If you think they don't like gays, call them homophobic, not a hate group.

[–]SecretCervix007 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Giving money to a cause to deny gay people something that straight people are allowed to do. Giving away money to help discriminate based on sexual orientation.

[–]Habbert 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

just because they have a differing opinion than me

This is bigger then just you.

It's because they are discriminating against people for the way they are born.

[–]GracchiBros 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When they are using the force of law to keep loved ones from having the same rights as everyone else? That's beyond a difference of opinion. That's using force to discriminate.

[–]exackerly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In March 2014, Cathy said he regretted drawing his company into the controversy.[29] He told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution he has been working with Shane Windmeyer of Campus Pride since 2012. The article noted that WinShape and the Chick-fil-A Foundation had "dramatically" cut donations to groups same-sex marriage supporters consider anti-gay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy

As a gay man, that's good enough for me.

[–]littlerob904 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

Actually, this is incorrect. CFA (the corporation) formerly donated millions to the WinShape foundation, which is the registered non-profit, the Truett family uses for charitable causes. The WinShape foundation then funneled those $'s to groups such as the Family Research Council (many consider to be a hate group) and Exodus International (a group that "converts" gays). Since the controversy, they've ceased to support these foundations.

You also have to remember that CFA is a closely held corporation. Attempting to separate a political stance of the owner from that of his business is semantics.

[–]EnslavedOompaLoompa 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it was a bit different having a corporate foundation donate to anti-LGBT groups than having the owner donate from his own pocket. When you use the funds acquired via charity boxes in your restaurant / employee donations / etc and funnel them to a very controversial (and arguably hateful) issue, you deserve all the flak you get. It's even worse when you figure they get to write it off for the business (despite the cause clearly not being "charity".)

Thankfully, as you noted, they've since decided to support real charities from the company's coffers / third party donations. The CEO can, of course, continue to do as he pleases with his own wages/time.

[–]NSA_IS_SCAPES_DAD 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

On top of what you said also keep in mind that "non-profit" does not mean charitable or that they do not make money. The definition of non-profit as a business is that they do not claim a profit nor have share holders. Most companies that call themselves non-profits are incredibly corrupt.

If Amazon did not have shareholders, they would be considered a "non-profit" since they have never profited and put all of their money back into growing the company.

[–]DeltaIndiaCharlieKil 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Usually non-profit means you have been granted tax exempt status by the IRS. Depending on your filing, there are very definite meanings to what registered nonprofits can do.

Their foundation is a 501(c)3:

The most common type of tax-exempt nonprofit organization falls under category 501(c)(3), whereby a nonprofit organization is exempt from federal income tax if its activities have the following purposes: charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering amateur sports competition, or preventing cruelty to children or animals.

[–]LeftShark69 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry but when it comes to corporations that are heavily franchised it isn't hard to separate the corporate political stance away from the rest at all. If it's one giant megacorp owned and run by one person I could agree with that view, but you can't go around holding franchisees responsible for the political whims of the CEO who has practically nothing to do with your day to day operations.

[–]InvaderChin 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if people do not want to give that CEO/Owner money, then they don't eat at the chain of chicken restaurants that fills his coffers.

[–]459pm 94ポイント95ポイント  (90子コメント)

Calm down with your logic buddy, we're trying to apply our pseudo-Christian western ethics to this situation while rejecting ACTUAL Christian western ethics.

[–]lanigironu 25ポイント26ポイント  (88子コメント)

But his logic was objectively wrong. The corporation itself was donating money to lobbyists against gay marriage, not just the CFO who was making repeated public statements.

[–]SOUNDSLIKEACOKEPARTY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll give it all up for that goddamn chicken

[–]ArguesForNot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dan is a liability for them. They know it and have warned him to cool it or he will get pushed out. As CEO. If it's bad for business it's bad for business.

[–]enjo13 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if that were true (it's not), it's not like you can extricate the CEO from the organization. When you give a dollar to Chic-Fil-A you are giving some number of cents directly to the CEO.

Hate speech is hate speech, and when you shop at Chi-Fil-A, no matter how tasty it is, you're supporting that speech.

[–]AHrubik 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree with this in principle but the reality of it is the money ends up in Dan Christy's pocket who then uses it to discriminate. While the company may treat it employees equally I know for absolute certainty there is a religious test to become management so they are an example of how you have to closely examine an organization to find out exactly how the people who run it use it's resources.

[–]FUNKYDISCO 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly, I'm helping fund bigotry and getting chicken sandwiches in return? My morals can't justify that. Simple as that.

[–]Sloppy1sts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where do you think he gets the money?!

[–]fastjogisaslowrun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it's a privately held company, so they are effectively one and the same.

[–]Andimia 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

The issue was that Chick-Fil-A itself (no the CEO) donated some of it's profits to organizations that were labeled as anti-gay hate groups by the SPLC. It came out in their taxes after the CEO spoke of his stance on a talk radio show. One of those groups actively lobbied to have a bill passed in South Africa that made homosexuality illegal and punishable by death. That's where a lot of people were mad. The company has now ceased sending funds to those organizations.

[–]Hegiman 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also completely possible they were unaware of this, just as many people are unaware that donating to the Susan G Komen foundation is donating to planned parenthood in a round about way as SGK donates to planned parenthood. How many pro lifers have donated to or bought something because it was SGK and they or someone they know is or has battled breast cancer?

[–]tba85 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like to call it "boycotting", but I don't eat there either. Me not eating there doesn't change their success, but I wouldn't feel right contributing.

It's a shame. I'm pregnant and they have good chicken.

[–]frostbird 30ポイント31ポイント  (21子コメント)

(Note that this is not a comment directed at you.)

That argument normally falls flat with me. Many people are shitty. Spending money anywhere is very likely to put that money in people's hands who do terrible things that make your blood boil. Buying a chicken sandwich at Chik-fil-a is not writing the owners a check, it's purchasing a good. I'd be interested in knowing how much of the price of that sandwich actually makes it into those lobbying efforts. My guess is less than a penny.

[–]lekoman 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

The point of a boycott -- at least, a well-organized one -- is not actually not spending the money. The point is that it makes for juicy media, which draws or maintains attention on the issue. CFA didn't "go neutral" on marriage equality because it was losing money from boycotters, it changed its stance because the media attention was unfavorable and was decreasing the value of its brand. Theoretically, this also has a knock-on effect to other companies that might be doing similar things -- they too fear being put in media crosshairs -- and that multiplies the impact of the boycott and ultimately throttles the fundraising of organizations doing the actual harm... which is the ultimate goal.

I say this as someone who spent the first eight years of his professional life working in various roles in both communications and organizing for an LGBTQ political org.

edit: words

[–]Decolater 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is another way to look at it.

"Whether you believe that he should have voiced his opinion on the matter at all, Chick-fil-A’s president and COO Dan Cathy decided to stand against marriage equality and the real American family and have his company donate money to anti-gay political organizations. He made Chick-fil-A a member of the “First Wives Club,” and it’s one that Bette Midler might feel ashamed to join. So because Chick-fil-A and other companies like it have decided to stand against who I am as a person and what I deserve in this life (a family with my future husband), I simply stand firm in my choice to eliminate spending at such places, regardless of how friendly their employees or how delicious their food may be."

[–]touchthesun 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

if everyone refused to spend money at business that do things or lobby for things they themselves are morally opposed to, we wouldn't have an economy. Either that or we live in a society with zero morals.

[–]FadedAndJaded 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How many of us have iPhones? Or basically any computer. Precious metals aren't dug out of the ground by some guy making a living wage...

[–]RiotGrrrl585 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't give too many shits about the marriage issue, but the money trickles and/or flows into organizations who want us beat up, killed, or imprisoned, and I do give a lot of shots about those things, so I don't feel comfortable giving them money or doing a good job for them.

[–]Butchbutter0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm with you. Personally, I don't care about a corporations bigoted political leanings nor its workers or customers. I just can't eat there. To be fair...it's mostly because the closest one would be like a 10 hour drive. xP But still...I'm on your side. 🌟🖖🌮

[–]superfudge73 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought they donated a bunch of money to anti gay mates ballot measures?

[–]7V3N 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I seem to only ever want it on Sundays. I'll be driving by and say "I can't remember the last time I had Chik Fil A. I ought to get some." Nope, it's Sunday.

[–]thatmorrowguy 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

Take of it what you will, but both CFA and their charity arm donated millions and file amicus briefs in several court cases. The CEO made public statements and tweets in support of striking down gay marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy

[–]WikipediaPoster 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy


American fast-food chain Chick-fil-A was the focus of controversy following a series of public comments made in June 2012 by chief operating officer Dan T. Cathy opposing same-sex marriage. This followed reports that Chick-fil-A's charitable endeavor, the S. Truett Cathy-family-operated WinShape Foundation, had donated millions of dollars to political organizations seen by LGBT rights activists as hostile to LGBT causes. LGBT activists called for protests and boycotts of the chain, while counter-protestors rallied in support by eating at the restaurants. National political figures both for and against the actions spoke out and some business partners severed ties with the chain. Chick-fil-A released a statement in July 2012 stating, "Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena." In March 2014, tax filings for 2012 showed the group stopped funding all but one organization which had been previously criticized.


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[–]Scaasic 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't recall correctly actually.

Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make “gay behavior” illegal, and even say gay people should be “exported” out of America.

Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy didn’t merely say he supports traditional marriage. Dan Cathy said if you support gay marriage, you “are inviting God’s judgment on our nation,” and that we “shake our fist at Him” when we do. Dan Cathy also said same-sex marriage is the result of a “deprived” mind and called it “twisted up kind of stuff.”

Chick-fil-A supports organizations that have claimed they can change gay people into straight people — “pray away the gay“ — despite the fact that practically every major medical organization has stated that this is not only impossible but dangerous and harmful.

[–]SpottedPaws 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they support traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

There are dozens of us!

[–]feistyfoodie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To my knowledge, they used to give a lot of money to anti-homosexuality groups, but stopped a while back after things started hitting the fan. I'm in NYC and we just got out first 'real' CFA maybe a year ago and despite the political leanings of this city, they are constantly busy when I walk by and are either planning to open a second location or just did.

Basically- yes, you are correct.

[–]teclordphrack2 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Na, Me personaly I don't support people who give money to Ugandan organizations that help get "kill the gay" legislation passed.

[–]Sloppy1sts 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Motherfucker, they were using money from customers to actively fight gay rights! They donated to political organizations who made "stopping non-traditional marriage" their primary goal.

If you think it was merely about their opinion, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

Edit: Can I get an explanation for these downvotes? Am I wrong?

[–]CraigGoforth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

GOTTA LOVE THAT HATE CHICKEN

[–]Wstbnd 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've always kind of thought Deep South people sounded gay. Or the ones I've met were

[–]cvkxhz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lindsey Graham, for instance.

[–]advocate_of_thedevil 11ポイント12ポイント  (24子コメント)

Mostly because that old adage of the deep south being ultra-homophobic is dying out.

[–]BlahNameGah 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Its mostly because Corporate standpoints on issues doesn't always correlate well to all of there stores. Some managers probably don't give a shit if you're gay.

[–]tyled 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This. So much this. I don't even work at a CFA, but when have you ever worked a retail/fast food job where you thought, "Wow, corporate really knows what they are doing."

[–]ChurroBandit 99ポイント100ポイント  (93子コメント)

say what you want about bigotry, but most of the ultra-religious anti-homosexuality people I know are very good and consistent about "hate the sin, love the sinner."

*edit: I didn't mean to say it was logically consistent. Only that they are consistent in their position. Yes, it's harmful to gay people to support the anti-gay agenda. But surely you can see how that's not how they see it, right? They really do think they're doing the best thing for gay people, and for america. It's misguided, and it's harmful- but it doesn't originate from a feeling of hatred. It's just that damn infallible book.

And as to the issue of why they're so hard on gays but not on divorcees or adulterers, of course that's biblically inconsistent. But that doesn't change the fact that they're acting wrongly out of good intentions. blah road to hell is paved blah blah.

[–]JackOfAllRoughTrades 23ポイント24ポイント  (54子コメント)

"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is perfectly fine if you leave it there. But it inevitably becomes "prevent the sinner from sinning because it offends me". That seems to be the sticky point.

[–]skpicky 37ポイント38ポイント  (48子コメント)

As a Christian, I would say that it's not my job to prevent anybody from sinning (unless of course they were trying to sin against me or someone I love...like raping me or my wife or whatever). I think homosexual behavior is a sin, because the Bible says it's a sin, but if you want to be a homosexual or not is between you and God. I've got nothing to do with it.

The short version is this: Jesus (God) never said, "stop people from sinning." He said we should warn people about their sin, and tell them how to receive forgiveness and salvation. Making someone sin less does not do them any good if they don't know Christ.

[–]JackOfAllRoughTrades 9ポイント10ポイント  (21子コメント)

But when it comes down to, well they can't get married or adopt children or be in the Boy Scouts, because it's not "right". That's the point I'm trying to make. I perfectly accept your right to disagree with my "lifestyle" if you accept my right to live mine to the fullest, same as you.

[–]WingedDrake 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's what he just said.

[–]liberulo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is that lots of people will say the same thing, then vote against full equality, because voting for it would be voting for sin. Talk is cheap, and there are points where the bible (or any religious material) will come into 100% conflict with reason. How the person votes when that happens shows their true colors.

[–]Mr_The_Captain 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

because voting for it would be voting for sin

Not quite. I as a Christian think that acting a certain way (this goes for MANY things) runs contrary to Christianity's purpose, but I firmly believe in the right of non-Christians to act in whatever way they choose (to a logical extent, obviously), and considering that Jesus didn't spur on a political revolution during his ministry, but rather spoke to people on an individual, moral level, I'm inclined to think that I am not acting out of line

[–]jidfintraining 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Boy Scouts are a private organization, they should be allowed to choose their members.

You don't have a right to join.

[–]skpicky 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am a nurse. Yesterday I got report on my patients from a nurse I had never met. She mentioned her kids and I asked how many she had. We chatted for a few minutes, and she mentioned that her wife doesn't want any more kids. I didn't even blink, didn't mention it or anything. We just went on with the conversation. But according to gay rights people I've talked to on Reddit (and elsewhere), my expected reaction as a fundamentalist Baptist should have been to denounce her on the spot, "Wait..you're GAY????? How horrible. You need to get right with God right NOW!"

Edit: also, I wanted to say thanks for recognizing my right to disagree. I fear that in the future we will have laws like they are trying to pass in Canada which makes it a hate crime punishable with prison time for anybody who publicly disagrees with homosexuality or transgenderism. That's not free speech, that's tyrrany.

[–]JackOfAllRoughTrades 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate the way you handled your situation at work. I think that all anybody wants at the end of the day is to be respected. I'm not familiar with the situation in Canada, but I would guess (hope) that you're mistaken in your assessment of the law they are trying to pass. As a gay person, as a person at all, I don't expect your approval over anything I do in my life; I also don't expect you to try to prevent me from living my life the way I see fit (of course with the caveat that I'm not doing you any true harm). I wouldn't begin to tell you that your religious beliefs are wrong, and I wouldn't expect you to place judgement on my life either. Ideally, we should all be able to express ourselves as we see fit, free of tyranny as you say. I personally want that for every man, woman and child on this planet.

[–]spudsc 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I used to think that seculars and people with an outwardly noticeable sinful life style (We all sinners... at the end of the day) that Hate the sin and love the sinner... was always taken out of context and it was more offensive than intended.

I am on the fence because in my Christian circles there always seems to be a rare jewel who loves people for who they are... not for what habits they have. In that person's heart they know that at the end of the day we are human, have vices, and skeletons we keep tucked away.

They are offended at the people you speak of not that guy/gal.

My take: It's typically the ones who make the most noise who have some deep dark stuff they are covering up by making the most noise about others. Those are the ones give the "hate the sin, love the sinner" the bad name. The ones who have a dark XYZ-phobia that they want to hide behind a pulpit or a book to pathetically project it.

[–]liberulo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have seen the same thing, consistency around that, but don't lose sight of the fact that it's not a harmless position to hold. They're saying that something about you (whether it is what you are or how you act) is still worthy of hate.

[–]bluefootedpig 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find they still hate the sinner, they just don't do anything about it. There is nothing stopping someone from smiling to your face while stabbing you in the back.

[–]187thesehoes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's strange I thought they would dump pig blood on them every shift

[–]notappropriateatall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's too bad they couldn't just focus on chicken and leave their politics out of their business.

[–]jackfreeman 106ポイント107ポイント  (46子コメント)

In N Out Burger starts with super high pay, and tuition reimbursement, too.

[–]puppet_up 66ポイント67ポイント  (31子コメント)

Yeah, at least in southern California, In-N-Out is probably the best fast food place to work. They start at $10/hour, give you health benefits, education benefits, etc. I do have to say though, their employees definitely earn that $10/hour wage. At least where I live, the In-N-Out is packed from open to close with a line going out the front door and around to the side during the lunch/dinner rushes. The only time I got my food in less than 10 minutes after ordering was when I walked in right when they opened at like 10:30am.

[–]_its_a_SWEATER_ 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

I've seen them start at $12 most places actually. Can confirm the $15 in SF, but that's SF for you.

[–]edilclyde 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

thats poverty pay in SF

[–]Z0di 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

People don't live in SF and get paid 15. they travel to SF to get paid 15.

[–]edilclyde 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

yup. All my friends from Daly City and San Bruno all work in SF.

[–]cruznr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Visited My sister in SF, she lived below Daly by South San Francisco. Cost of living is still astronomically high in that area, 15/hr would barely pay for an apartment. Not supporting the raise or anything, but damn that entire area is expensive.

[–]FalconsSuck 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, 10/hour is minimum wage in CA

[–]lakerswiz 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, even back when I got my first job and minimum wage was like $7.50 or whatever they started upwards of $10 an hour with many getting $11 or $12.50 to start.

[–]ScrewAttackThis 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe In N Out starts at $11, actually. Obviously not much more than CA minimum wage. The benefits they give for part time and fulltime work is pretty good, though. Paid vacation, 401k contributions, and Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas off (paid).

They start higher depending on location, too.

[–]jackfreeman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never gone to an in n out and not been greeted by a massive smile and awesome service.

[–]nitrical 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Funny thing, I was visiting the West Coast and had to try an In-N-Out burger. Got there right when they opened (1:30 Eastern Time, so basically lunch time), and was astonished by how fast the place got packed. By the time I had sat down with my food, there were at least 20 people in line. The entire time I was there right at opening, that line never went under 10 people.

I've never seen anything like it.

[–]onyxthekitty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, pretty much every In and Out ever. There's one across from my work and I can't go on my break (15minutes) out of fear there will be a long ass line and I'll be gone for half an hour. Sometimes they're wicked quick, like if there's only a few people waiting ahead of me, but sometimes they forget my order or something or they just got a ton of people after I ordered and now they're super busy, which happens in seconds. You can order your food and have like a few people eating but none waiting for food, and in minutes there's a line out the door. It's a shame really.

[–]cr3tin1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in TX and the one by me starts at 11 something even though minimum wage here is less than 8 bucks.

[–]ledivin 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup - in the SF Bay area, anyway, minimum wage at In-n-Out is $15.

[–]danbfree 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't the minimum wage $15, period, in the bay area or just in the city limits of SF?

[–]ledivin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe SF - I'm not sure - but definitely not the whole area.

[–]zorkzamboni 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here in Texas, in n out starts employees at 11 an hour. Saw it on a now hiring sign at in n out just a few days ago. It's more than any other fast food place in the area pays.

[–]secretpandalord 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely refuse to buy from In-N-Out until they change their political stance on having stores anywhere near me.

[–]Jawshee_pdx 48ポイント49ポイント  (11子コメント)

I always heard In-And-Out was also considered one of the best (if not the best) fast food employer. Good pay, benefits, et cetera.

[–]Kahzgul 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

They also employ a ton of people. I've been to a McDonald's with seating for 40 people and maybe 2 workers who would rather be anywhere but at work. An In-N-Out of the same size would have 15-20 workers, and they all bust their asses the entire time.

[–]rowawaymythrowaway 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably the benefits. I know when I worked fast food the only incentive was the food for me and the somewhat flexible scedule.

[–]I-35 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pulling this out my butt but I bet that has to do with "glad to have a job"-inertia. I went to a Whataburger in the Dallas area after walking out of the mess of a McDonalds with the yellow "no sagging inside this restaurant" sign. The 20-something employees were very impressive. You could tell that this job was their Whataticket out of that shit hole.

[–]xSnuggleBear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it seems like they are gaining a lot by paying their employees well. I go to In N Out all the time and everyone there is always nice, and they are ALWAYS working. Never seen anyone standing around, not once. I've also never really had my order wrong, or dealt with some jack-off at the register who doesn't know what he's doing. Seems like the people there enjoy doing it, and take Pride in doing it well. And maybe they fake it, who knows, but the difference between customer service at InNOut and a place like Burger King is seriously night and day.

[–]eynonpower 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

As fast-food places go, CFA is reputed to be the best employer. Guaranteed Sundays off, educational benefits, and other features which make it a good place to work so long as you aren't put off by public statements against homosexuality.

You know, the local one we have, the people that work there are all super happy and polite all the time. Maybe thats why?

[–]lawrnk 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

CFA employees are hands down the nicest people, no matter what state I'm in.

[–]Mr_The_Captain 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are also trained to act a very specific way. For example, say thank you to any current or former CFA employee and they WILL respond with "my pleasure." That's how they were trained, and they could technically be reprimanded for saying anything else (although realistically they probably wouldn't be unless the manager was on a power trip).

[–]eynonpower 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you just say, "You're welcome??!!?? 10 lashings for Michael!

[–]Average650 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can personally confirm that working their was great. Great people, great owner. Of course, that's just my anecdotal experience, but I had friends that worked at other fast food restaurants and they were not so happy.

[–]casualPhoenix 145ポイント146ポイント  (140子コメント)

As far as I'm aware (please correct me if this is wrong), but it was just the owner of Chick-fil-A giving their personal belief about homosexuality, not a company-wide statement.

[–]brannana 55ポイント56ポイント  (17子コメント)

The charitable arm of Chik-fil-a was donating money to several organizations that were openly hostile to LGBT rights. That goes a little beyond stating a personal belief.

[–]msterB 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

They also donated to groups that were pro-LGBT. And have you seen the extremely long list of companies that donate to anti-LGBT rights? You would be surprised who is included. The fact Chik-fil-a was singled out was disingenuous at best.

[–]Valdrax 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, that also wasn't those organizations' sole raison d'être. Chick-Fil-A was donating broadly to various conservative Christian advocacy groups, many of whom had (mainstream conservative) stances opposing gay marriage but that also did a lot of other work. A lot of the focus and ire on them was for their anti-LGBT stances, but it would be hard to find a major conservative Christian advocacy group that wasn't openly opposed to gay marriage before Obergefell changed the political landscape. It's still pretty hard today.

Perhaps more importantly, the WinShape Foundation is a private charity of the Cathy family and not funded directly by Chick-Fil-A, nor is it under the control of the company.

The WinShape Foundation also does a lot more than just donate to conservative groups. It also runs a good number of foster homes and scholarships for kids in trouble. That's actually most of where their money goes. Yeah, they're conservative Christians, but that's where their heart is more than the culture wars.

[–]DeltaIndiaCharlieKil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, that also wasn't those organizations' sole raison d'être.

No, that is pretty much what the main group they funded was about. In 2010 they gave 1.18 million to the "Marriage & Family Foundation"

Cathy himself founded this organization in 2007, which was originally called the “Marriage and Family Legacy Fund.” Its purpose was to serve as the “implementation and funding” arm of Marriage CoMission. In 2006, Marriage CoMission published a report, to which Cathy contributed, that details the role that corporations can play in promoting the traditional family structure. This report, entitled “Marriage & Family Wellness: Corporate America’s Business?” advises that corporations use their role as community leaders to guide America’s values back towards the traditional family.

Source

Marriage coMission is no longer around, but an older website linking to it describes it as:

The Marriage CoMission is a joint effort of over sixty organizations with a focus on working together to strengthen marriages and the marriage movement. The mission is to serve together as an allied force to support the marriage movement in America by strengthening teamwork and pooling our respective resources behind city marriage initiatives led by local city elders and leaders. For more, click on the logo above to visit the Marriage CoMission website.

Source (emphasis mine)

They were most definitely avidly fighting gay marriage, not simply supporting christian charities.

[–]Fragarach-Q 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The owner and his family fund Christian brainwashing camps for children. I've been boycotting the place long before the whole anti-gay thing happened.

[–]OriginalStomper 22ポイント23ポイント  (70子コメント)

It's never been clear whether that's a legitimate distinction, because CFA is privately owned, not publicly traded. When a company's only owner speaks, how does he NOT speak for the company as well as himself?

[–]casualPhoenix 17ポイント18ポイント  (46子コメント)

I would think there's some kind of distinction, because companies make their own, separate announcements. For example, if you saw "Chick-fil-A announces a new sandwich," that would be from the company as a whole, not the owner.

I'm not arguing that an owner speaking about something will impact how people think of the company, but I'm also not arguing that an owner should always be seen as speaking for the company. What I am saying is that there's a difference between the owner giving an opinion and the company making a statement.

[–]JustAnotherMormon 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

A privately owned company can still have multiple share holders and a board of directors. The only difference would be that a publicly traded company's shares are traded on the open market. You might be thinking of a sole proprietor.

[–]Not_a_porn_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not allowed personal views? What if a vegetarian owned a bbq restaurant?

[–]TurntableEyes 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because you can have personal views that you don't instill into company culture/policy or make into a PR campaign?

[–]NeonMoment 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

False. Read the comments above, CFA as a corporation donated around $5 million to groups that lobby against marriage equality. Sorry Charlie.

[–]Oklahom0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There had been controversy for years before-hand, because he had been giving money to places that were decidedly very anti-gay. The logic behind boycotts back then were "my money helps fund terrible things like suicide 'conversion' therapy, and therefor boycotting it is the wise thing to do."

Then his views became more public, and people went crazy because a man said something, and most people still ignored the money he's given to anti-gay organizations.

[–]Sleeptitememer 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

You are correct.

[–]mexicanlizards 42ポイント43ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, he is not correct.

Take of it what you will, but both CFA and their charity arm donated millions and file amicus briefs in several court cases. The CEO made public statements and tweets in support of striking down gay marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy

[–]arcanesays 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

In-n-Out is also known for better wages and overall good treatment of their employees.

[–]ThoricCanine423 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

Plus CFA is better than the other trash like BK and McDonalds . Staff at CFA is so much nicer and they actually make sure you are enjoying your time while eating there. Most of Reddit doesn't know shit about the south yet act like they are a fucking expert on it.

[–]tonictuna 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most of Reddit doesn't know shit about the south yet act like they are a fucking expert on it.

Oh for fuck's sake. I live in the south, but are you really getting on a goddamn pedestal about some shit fast food chain with a history of questionable political leanings?

[–]ThoricCanine423 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pedestal? More like taking it out of a fucking shithole. I actually know several gay people who work at CFA for that matter. The CFA at my place is much better than all the trash around my area. CFA gets much more flak than they really deserve. Of course all my answers are going to sound like I worship CFA.

[–]Walter_jones 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well yeah they charge more for the food. You'd expect better service.

[–]CNNofWorms 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the service is great but I personally could never stand the food. In my experience the breading has always had a tendency to slip off of the meat, which is a complete deal breaker for me. Is that an effect of the peanut oil they use for frying?
Come to think of it, I'm not all that into other fast food places either.

[–]illidankstormrape 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like a dreamy place to work.

[–]c4seyj0nes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear that In-and-Out is a great place to work too.

Edit: I should read ode per in a thread before posting.

[–]Ohuma 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is chic filet not opened on Sunday's or something? How can everyone get a guaranteed Sundays off?

[–]spaceflunky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember a popular Reddit thread started by a gay CFA restaurant employee. Basically, he said he feels not great about it, but that he has to pay the bills.

That and everyone he worked with didn't give a shit about him being gay.

[–]CheatedOnOnce 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Weird how reddit gets very athiesty sometimes but is cool with CFA

[–]wraith313 18ポイント19ポイント  (36子コメント)

People give CFA shit for the homosexuality thing, but their comments amount to "we don't agree with it". They aren't being inflammatory, just saying they don't believe in it. And I mean, it's a Christian organization at heart, so what does everyone expect?

I don't love CFA, but damn if I hate to see people shit on them just because they state an opinion or their views on something in a civil way. They aren't turning down gay employees or turning gay people out the door, just saying they don't agree with it.

[–]thisoneoptimistic 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

they also took political action and spent millions to combat gay marriage legislation. that's a step beyond "we don't agree with it"

[–]LeftCheekRightCheek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that not the same thing?

I don't get what's wrong with people lobbying for their opinion? It's not like they're driving around murdering people.

[–]Walter_jones 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, it's also because the company itself was donating to groups publicly opposed and attempting to keep gay marriage banned.

[–]NickNackPadiwack 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

I always heard really good things about In n' Out. Starting hourly was $18 at the one in Tempe AZ when I was in college and mangers made over $100K.