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Social IssuesTwitter abuse research - "50% of misogynistic tweets from women". But feminists will still try and blame men even for that... (bbc.co.uk)

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[–]Archibald_Andino 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course. Just like the majority of slut-shaming comes from other women (and it's not even close) and the majority of body shaming comes from other women. If a female walks into an office with her clothes too tight, too much make-up on, too slutty, too prudish, etc. it is other women who crucify her. Most women would prefer not to work for a female boss, most women report how toxic an all-female work environment is. If a woman is shamed for not having children (or working full time with young children at home) it is almost always other females who are the offenders. On and on.

It is bizarre how the topic of "how badly women can treat each other" is always ignored by feminist, the media, entertainment industry, etc. Instead everything is a narrative that females are oppressed victims and that males are the culprit.

[–]bogidyboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My girlfriend used to get bullied in elementary school by one group of girls, particularly their "queen bee". I guess she was sorta the Regina George of the school. Anyway, fast-forward 4 or 5 years, my girlfriend is halfway through high school, and mid-school year they get a new student. None other than the queen bee herself. Except she was different. She had become shy and humble and no longer carried herself like a popular bitch. It turned out that she chose to transfer out of her all-girl school ASAP due to relentless bullying at the hands of the other students.

Girls at all-girl school fucking tear each other apart.

[–]Imnotmrabut 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well it agrees with other findings:

If one pays attention to popular culture and the mass media, Internet trolls are unemployed young men in their 20s at home in their parents’ basement spending their time posting abusive messages online.

This study finds that this stereotype, whilst common in the mass media, is not representative of the empirical data collected. The research found that most trolling on blogs and defriending is done by women and because of other women.

It finds that the people who troll are unlikely to be youths not in education, employment or training (NEETs), but more likely to be those in wealthy areas who are bored.

It equally finds that those who troll, or indeed troll-call, are likely to show the symptoms of antisocial personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder respectively.

With the media focussing on represent young people as trolls, the research finds that the existence of benevolent sexism in the police perpetuates this myth, meaning women are getting more favourably treatment, either as trolls or troll-callers.

In fact the research finds trolls are as likely to be men or women,...

Jonathan Bishop (2015). The Misrepresentation of Digital Teens as Trolls: Considering Political, News and Feminist Agendas. Invited Speech to the 13th International Conference on E-Society (E-Society 2015), Madeira, Portugal, 14-16 March 2015.

[–]gh0st3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It finds that the people who troll are unlikely to be youths not in education, employment or training (NEETs), but more likely to be those in wealthy areas who are bored.

I often argue that lots of identity based privilege is just class/wealth privilege in disguise, but I wasn't expecting that here.

[–]fengpi 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

They were only copying the men.

Women have no thoughts of their own, see. It's always the men who make them do stuff.

[–]mwobuddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Im having trouble finding where it says 50% of women are sending them in this article. WHere is it?

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

er... it's in the title and the sub-heading.

[–]mwobuddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, but I can't find where they make that claim within the actual article.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And? Search for the original research and take a read of that.

Here's a quote from the article: "A 2014 study from cosmetics firm Dove found that over five million negative tweets were posted about beauty and body image. Four out of five were sent by women."

[–]Imnotmrabut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's covered in both the press release and in the 2014 originating study - see This Comment Above With Links

[–]omegaphallic 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Slut and Whore are not always mysogynistic words, it depends on the context.

Examples some one is talking the Sacred Whores in ancient religions or modern times.

A Porn Actress brags about what a Slut she is, its seen as a positive.

Or some one is discussing a Slut Walk.

Or two people are talking dirty with each other and its meant to be racy, not insulting.

Or its a dude who gets called a slut or whore.

So if this research is done by some algorythm and divorced from context its completely useless.

Secondly even when used as a judgemental insult, its usually aimed at an individual based on actions and behaviors, not an entire gender. Not that I condone that, I don't, but I meantion it in the name of accuracy.

Example a guy finds out his girlfriend is cheating on him and calls her a slut on twitter, he's not talking about all women, he's talking about one woman who betrayed him and hurt him with a specific behavior when they had an agreement to sexual exclusivity.

Meanwhile all the Mysandry on twitter, real hate is ignored.

These people took the laziest approach to this "research" they could,a search for two words instead of going through posts to get the context, so they get posts that aren't mysgonistic and miss posts that are.

[–]a13xch1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The article states that they distinguished between aggressive use and other uses however I agree that an algorithm isn't perfect

[–]Imnotmrabut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Notes to editors:

Demos conducts digital research through its Centre for the Analysis of Social Media (CASM), using its own in-house technology – Method 52, which is a Natural Language Processing tool. For this study, Demos collected and analysed 1.5 million tweets mentioning the words ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ over the period 23 April – 15 May 2016. These were then filtered using algorithms to differentiate between actively aggressive, conversational and self-identification uses.

http://www.webcitation.org/6hnAhPUPd

[–]angrynewyawka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They want to ban misogyny on twitter but let pro-ISIS muslim groups recruit people openly. Lol.

[–]KendoSlice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of your opinion on feminism, it is absolutely a fact that confirmation bias runs rampant within it.

[–]Imnotmrabut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So Demos Says

"The study builds on Demos’ previous research in 2014, which found that ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ dominate misogynistic language on Twitter, and that both male and female users are responsible for the abuse. In this 2016 research, 50 per cent of the propagators were found to be women."

"Who is using it?"
"Over the time period, there were 49,669 unique users contributing to the ‘conversation’ data set. Of those users, men use the word ‘rape’ more than women, although it is not a significant difference.

Question - If You State there is no (Statistically?) significant difference in usage, why then is one implied?

Demos Press Release 26 May 2016

The 2014 Study Says:

Women are as almost as likely as men to use the terms ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ on Twitter. Not only are women using these words, they are directing them at each other, both casually and offensively; women are increasingly more inclined to engage in discourses using the same language that has been, and continues to be, used as derogatory against them.

MISOGYNY ON TWITTER - May 2014

This whole set of investigations is based on the idea that Only Men have been abusive on-line and the use of the phraseology "women are increasingly more inclined..." is grossly misleading, implying that it is an emergent behavior rather than a common and normal behavior over history.

This stinks of Urban/Urbane Middle Class White Feminists not being willing to deal with the reality of Women in general. They are demanding that Stereotypes are not valid, and now are trying to figure out how to make the reality behind those stereotypes appear only new and emergent as apposed to exposure of long standing extant female behavior which PROVES THE STEREOTYPE to be VALID.

DEMOS claim that findings in 2005 and 2006 were showing gross on-line misogyny and yet have ignored more upto date research which undermines the very premise of their present research..... where their own present research is undermining the very premise they have been pushing since at least 2014. Talk about the snake swallowing it's own tail.

[–]famasfilms 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two of the most abused were:

Professional troll Katie Hopkins (whilst she has written some anti-feminist pieces, she's also been responsible for some utter nonsense)

And

"More feuds than hit songs" Azealia Banks.

[–]Sasha_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the nasty comments and doxing I've ever seen are by women, or male feminists.