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Brief history of the /r/MakingAMurderer meltdown (self.TickTockManitowoc)

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For those of you who are newer or just may not have been following this closely, the current situation can be a bit of a headscratcher, so I thought I'd lay out my INTERPRETATION of the events that led up to the MaM sub implosion, and at least indirectly the creation of the subreddit /r/TickTockManitowoc you are on now.

Things really got kicked off with the feedback thread

https://archive.is/1Dsf2

which remained remarkably civil, but if you've been paying attention wasn't a sincere effort to either gather feedback nor make subreddit improvements in any way.

The great thing about the snapshot/archive is you can see the thread before the mods sanitized it, although one section containing S_SV2's most offensive behavior didn't get captured as she removed it herself almost immediately.

The top comment and focus of unhappy subscribers leaned heavily towards the increasing removal of content by the moderators. When the thread had run it's course (and was seen as an obvious sham) user roadpuppets submitted a RedditRequest

https://r.go1dfish.me/r/redditrequest/comments/4ju6tf/requesting_rmakingamurderer_or_intervention_due/

as an act of protest (they would never seriously consider giving up ownership of the subreddit) and his account was very quickly suspended & content removed by the same or like minded "professional moderaters". Another thread was created just prior to the ban in SubRedditCancer

https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/comments/4jueda/11_mods_have_deathgrip_on_umakingamurderer_but/

in an effort to get eyes on the situation somewhere out of the mods control. To add some humour to the clusterf8ck the same user was accidentally made a /MakingAMurderer moderator briefly. Several other users have spoken out and many have been banned or suspended.

https://www.reddit.com/r/InnocenceandInjustice/comments/4kkp51/that_panic_when_they_accidentally_make_you_a_mam/

The MaM mods then began implementing their Flair and "Documentary Only" requirements knowingly, and virtually gauranteeing users would become so frustrated they would begin to leave en masse. Any dissenting opnions and comments are simply removed.

Our savior /u/hos_gotta_eat_too then creates Hoeville (/r/TickTockManitowoc) which gains >200 subscribers in <24 hours, and it is my belief and hope that this will very soon become the "default MaM subreddit", simply needs some time and visibility.

Who am I and what now? Obviously this account is new, but I've been around Reddit and the MaM sub for quite some time, when those in charge behave as they are some things require new/alternate accounts. I witnessed a really very similar thing happen maybe 15 years ago with a Green Bay Packers fan board and I think the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel imposing crazy restrictions, I won't go into all that but the fan board (which didn't even yet exist) is to this day the place to go for Packer discussion, I think what TickTockManitowoc has in common is... a circumstance, the right time, the right people, a true motivation and set of ideals to guide them.

Finally, this is not a simple difference of opinion. At least 4 moderators of MaM have/are very methodically, systematically and intentionally bringing this about. I have personally witnessed 180 type behavior which they didn't believe subscribers would ever see, I've seen complete lying and fabrication from them. I've seen patterns of downvoting and manipulation, and stalkerish behavior, they are in this subreddit now.

My advice would be to ban every one of those from this site (don't fall for the silly games, S_SV2 for example went to the /r/InnocenceandInjustice and pulled her "what a nice board", "we can all get along" shit then proceeded to try and wreck the place... seriously, not sure the motivation behind them but some have PROVEN to have the vindictiveness and behavior of a spoilt child, if not the mentally ill). They have no right to interfere with this sub (and don't kid yourselves, they'll shut it down if they get any chance), don't DESERVE to participate, and you owe it to fellow users to not have to deal with any of that. I'd recommend individual users also Block the same instigators (W_H, S_SV2, G1 and NaNS at a minimum), it may save you a lot of grief.

So thanks for reading this, I know it may come across a bit...eh I don't know, severe? But all of the above is nothing but the truth. Anyway if I got any wrong or missed important cogs, this was mostly my perspective on the last couple weeks, thought a no bullshit roadmap might benefit a few. And thanks for the new subreddit!

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[–]hos_gotta_eat_too 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had my say of the situation in the MaM new stickied rule thread, and the notion that I was leading a revolt, I felt I snuffed out fairly.

This reddit creation was simply an ends to justify a means, and the addition of 240+ to come over within 24 hours, was done with absolutely no advertisement of it, which I still have not done nor feel the need to myself. If the readers here feel the desire to, ok they can. But I did not create TTM to appease any ego I have or anything. Just a place to hang our hats and it a better Reddit is created or comes along and we all migrate there...That works for me just as well as being here.

I leave that up to everyone else.

But thank you very much for the concise breakdown of the events behind the scenes.

[–]MrDoradus 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

FML, my bad joke in reply to the mod's sappy "we're all human" line is now archived forever...

And yeah this whole situation was a massive clusterf*ck, thanks for the summary. Had I known people were reaching out to try and get help from higher up the Reddit food chain I would have supported those posts. I see they've been dominated by the mods in question, it's easier when you have support on your mailing list.

Ah well, hope this new subreddit grows quickly and we leave all this drama behind us.

[–]makingameow 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember seeing a post about a month or two ago that basically predicted this all happening when a certain mod joined the MaM mod team. The post (deleted of course) described the exact same shinanagins that has went on. At the time I didn't know to screenshot ect nor did I care. I don't have the time/energy/know how to look further but it was all about a certain psycho mod. Just saying.

[–]Classic_Griswald 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

What is this in reference to?

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2MOD 2 points 22 minutes ago Truth is there was some stuff that happened behind the scenes that makes it hard for us to keep the sub going as it has. I can't get into the details but we had no choice really.

I don't really understand what "happened" where making a totally new sub to continue on exactly as had been, while keeping the main sub open for strictly MaM talk, makes any sense whatsoever.

I mean, either what was being posted was not okay or okay. But I don't see why opening a new forum to continue the exact same thing, would suddenly change anything.

[–]ahhhreallynow 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then they should have just said that. Simple. People aren't stupid. They know when there is something going on that is not being stated up front. I think they have been threatened with legal action because people were accusing others of crimes. That should have been dealt at the beginning of the sub. It wasn't and was allowed to continue. That is on them and I bet they have been called on it.

[–]Classic_Griswald 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, exactly that. To be honest, I was surprised something at minimum wasn't said as of yet. Even if it was just posturing by KK or MTSO or a spokesperson for them or something.

But the official 'its okay if its in this other forum we made for you guys' just doesn't make sense. Either its okay or not okay. If its not okay, Im sure people would've been willing to make new arrangements or work something out, but I presume you'd take that up in a private discussion with your content contributors, make the gist of it public. Or keep it public from the get-go, depending on how sensitive the issue is.

I imagine if it was really serious people would've offered to jump to a separate sub-reddit, still connected but maybe kept private or 'quarantined' or whatever reddit does for content that causes issue for itself.

I really came late to the party, as I haven't been around the past few days, I just saw the main forum dead, and fractured. I followed the people I've been posting beside the past few months.

Personally I never had a problem with the modding there, I thought they did a good job overall. So Im at a loss really. With everything that has been done crowd funding-wise, to drop rules stating 'anything that wasn't in MaM is off-topic' just seems like a kick in the teeth to the people who have made the sub as popular as it is.

[–]ahhhreallynow 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no problem with modding. It is needed. People get carried away when they are hidden behind a user name. In some cases I think the modding could have been stronger. My issue was with the way it was handled. I found the condescending tone of some (not all) of the mods to be insulting and disrespectful. There was a lot of great discussion that came out of that sub and I am thankful for that. A group of strangers getting together to crowd-fund documents, share them with others and discuss issues that people find hard to talk about is a really great thing. I'm sorry it was handled the way it was but it is what it is. I hope everyone finds their way over here and continues talking.:-)

[–]anditurnedaround 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know nothing about law, but I do know if a statement is made about someone under an umbrella of opinion, it makes it almost impossible to be sued. If it is written and stated without that umbrella, you can be sued.

Example, if I write in a non-opioion type forum, bobby baby killed sweet Melissa and post it where a third party can read it (like here) Bobby baby can sue me, and win if bobby baby can proved it has harmed his life. (If it is not true)

They can subpoena reddit for my IP address.

http://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=1153 If the title of the forum however is Theory or in some form of opinion related thread, well they have no chance.

Could MaM or anything written in their be taken as fact? I don't know.

[–]knowjustice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SCOTUS ruled it is of greater importance to our nation to ensure freedom of speech than it is to silence anonymous speech when it may be deemed defamatory. There ya' have it.

McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Com'n, 514 U.S. 334, 357, 115 S.Ct. 1511, 1524 (1995) (emphasis added) (citing Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60, 64, 80 S.Ct. 536, 538 (U.S. 1960))

[–]ahhhreallynow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very interesting. Thank you for the post. :-) Why not change the darn name of the sub to Theory of making a murderer then. Seems a much easier solution.

[–]danesays 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hmm. I would also like to know what that's in reference to.

[–]innocens 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

It sounds like deflection tbh.

They change the reason every hour.

[–]RF-09-DKMS-67 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, sounds just like some of her other lies.

[–]BlueNiassa 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. This. Exactly this.

[–]innocens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes no sense because it's not true.

[–]ImAskin 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reminds me so much of the dismantling of the pro Avery FB page that had 30,000 users.

[–]Pizzled[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I forgot to add: Make sure to add MORE moderators you trust completely, even holder accounts (I have no idea what to really) call this. Those with a little knowledge and especially Reddit tools will try to dox you, and also get moles in your mod ranks creating a "last man standing" scenario wherein the remaining "top mod" can then remove all the others and essentially kill the sub or worse.

[–]hilarysimone 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something like this apparently happened on thedonald sub.

Def have a back up plan.

[–]RF-09-DKMS-67 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our savior..

Let's get Ho's Angels t-shirts printed up!

[–]no1cub17 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

Wow - interesting - I'd not been obsessively reading the MaM sub for a week or so when all this went down. Just curious though (and I may have missed this) - did new mods come in who fucked it all up? Or did the preexisting mods have a change of heart (or were intimidated by MTSO operatives, who knows) about the MaM sub and wanting to basically eliminate any free discussion about the case? That's the part that's confusing to me.

[–]danesays 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

There is one new mod, notanestleshill. Supposedly, he was supposed to take the reins from ssv2 as the "public face" of the sub, since so many users were fed up with ssv2. I am paraphrasing from memory, but ssv2 is actually the one who explained about the new mod.

His comments drip with condescension; I notice he often uses words like "crazy" and "nut" when referring to the main sub and its subscribers. He enjoys shitting on the idea of armchair detectives solving crimes, even though it has happened – right here on Reddit, actually. (And of course, Websleuths – I'm thinking some of you here might also be WS users.)

If I had to guess, I think outside forces are probably pressuring the mods. Whether it be lawyers or PR or whatever. I think the point of the theory sub, aside from dividing and conquering 64k ppl, is that the mods can point to the word "theory" in the title and use it as protection against harassment or slander or whatever? Just a guess.

[–]NewbieDoobieDoo7 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read 'drip with condensation' and thought sweaty?!

[–]NotVinceNoir 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just went head to head with him on some boosh he spouted about sidebar rules stating you could post things related to the same issues in MaM, when it actually stated those posts would be removed.

[–]LigerTigerTalk 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's simply not true. You can be annoyed at someone but don't discredit them when there is no reason. You asked the question and they answered. Were you not happy with the answer? Did you want the post removed?

[–]NotVinceNoir 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is hardly the point and I think you know it. I was not actually able to get to the link.... that's not discrediting. That's what happened. He deleted the comment where I clarified that in the link he provided (post making rude assumptions about my age and my finally getting it to work) that it clearly states anything not related to MaM will be REMOVED per rule 5. The exact opposite of what was stated. So no, I was not happy with the answer because it was untrue. I just wanted to know if/when that changed. It didn't. Please don't make accusations. It's unnecessary.

[–]LigerTigerTalk 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be honest I'm not sure what the point is. Just thought it wasn't as simple as "some boosh he spouted about sidebar rules". I understand you couldn't access the link for whatever reason which is fair enough and the reply was a bit unfair. It just seems the mods over there are copping more than their fair share of abuse which doesn't solve anything.

[–]NotVinceNoir 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, an over-simplification. My mistake. However, I suddenly just received yet another condescending comment insulting my intelligence asking if I even read rule 5. So, I can't really say I feel too bad for that particular mod. He continues to make untrue statements. I'm not okay with that. I wasn't trying to start anything or get at anyone, I was trying to understand the changes and I didn't know if that was something that had changed. That's it. That was met with opposition.

[–]LigerTigerTalk 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Perhaps the confusion is because rule 5 contains "or the issues presented in the case" which I think is what they are trying to get across.

To be honest I think I'm now siding more with you as his condescending tone is getting a bit much. Anyway, time to move on. Have a great day!

[–]NotVinceNoir 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You too. I'm sorry for being defensive. I actually referenced that in my last comment to him. It's frustrating because I know it was used as a tool to remove posts in the past. I also dislike the fact that he continues to argue, but not where anyone can see. I didn't mean to take it out on you. I hope next time we interact it's under better circumstances.

[–]sophiegirl14 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

You could be right they could be getting pressured. I am sure there are some theories on this sub and Mam that actually came close to what really happened and how scary would that be for some people. Very I would think.

[–]luckystar2591 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the sub started uncovering new evidence and errors in reports and logs I would bet that would have caused problems somewhere.

[–]Bhtx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe I saw someone else point out that about the time that Pagel, Vogul, and GA started getting more interest, the ivory towers began to crumble. Interesting, in the least.

[–]c4virus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My experience was with some existing mods. I don't know what prompted these changes.

[–]sophiegirl14 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Geez the power trips that people go on. It never ends. Really it's just reddit for goodness sake. Thanks for letting us know what happened but honestly this whole thing is just stupid. And I don't mean you are stupid I mean the situation of what happened is stupid. Let's just talk about the case and the show and hopefully we won't have the politics on this sub.

[–]MMonroe54 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. Life is too short and the internet too wide to put up with people like the ones mentioned here. I'd never heard of reddit or the MAM main reddit site until I watched the documentary and became interested in the Avery case, and it's NOT like it gives off oxygen now.

[–]ahhhreallynow 6ポイント7ポイント  (43子コメント)

What concerns me is that I also think they will try and get this site shut down by the admins.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (42子コメント)

We wouldn't do that.

[–]ahhhreallynow 8ポイント9ポイント  (29子コメント)

Considering the Mods over at MAM have been less than upfront about the reasons for the changes over there, forgive me I if hesitate to believe you.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (28子コメント)

It's more complicated than it looks, and there's not much more I can say about it than that.

[–]ahhhreallynow 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know being a mod can be a challenge. I am a mod on a different site and we get all kinds. I get it. But being transparent and upfront goes a long way towards people supporting a decision or leaving. I have never had issues with the mods at MAM but I have an issue with the way with this was handled. We are not an unintelligent group and are more understanding than I think we are being given credit for. If there are reasons for the changes that can't be discussed, for legal reasons for example, then just say that. Good enough. I'd move to another sub no problem. It was like pulling teeth getting answers to why things were suddenly changing. Because this is the way it is is not a respectful answer to a group of people who have built a community that started out by watching a Documentary and evolved into talking about deeper issues.

Most people there were great. Blaming us for some looney showing up at Avery's at Christmas was unfair. He is not part of this community on a regular basis. In fact what he was doing his thing most people here thought he was way over the line and said so. He is a grown ass man and is responsible for himself.

The issues that needed to be addressed should have been addressed early in the process and perhaps we would not be a splintered group right now. People that attacked innocent people should have been banned. Period. Nobody likes to see a community split apart, but water under the bridge now. I have chocolate and life is good! Thank you for your reply! :-)

[–]RF-09-DKMS-67 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which led you to act like a huge B, call people c*nts, ban accounts willy nilly, delete things with misspelled flair and post a bunch of stupid memes? B..b..but stuff happened that we can't talk about, it's complicated... riiiiight.

[–]BugDog1 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

she used the c-word directed at a member? Did anyone screen capture that?

[–]whatever_mate 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes it was captured. Its floating around on here somewhere too

[–]StinkyPetes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent then she can't complain about me calling her a twat. :D

[–]BugDog1 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

More complicated than you not just doing the active modding requested by the community months ago (delete EWE type posts, give flair, merge posts, ban Luke types) ? But instead leaving that to breed and then punishing everyone for your inaction?

[–]wewannawii 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's more complicated than it looks, and there's not much more I can say about it than that.

The writing has been on the wall for a while now that at least one person demonized by the film and the MaM sub intends to sue...

My guess is you've recently received a letter of notice of intent to sue.

Blink twice if I'm right...

[–]ahhhreallynow 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I asked this question over at the new sub a couple hours ago: And it was not from any outside pressure or threat of legal action?

I'll let you know if I get a reply. I'm guessing I wont.

[–]BugDog1 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

As if bringing in extra mods to delete posts that are not implicating anyone and being douchey would be the way to respond that....

[–]ahhhreallynow 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I asked the question again...no reply and a down vote. I guess no questioning Mods should be in the sidebar as well.

[–]BugDog1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They decided they will just get the machine guns out....dissenters beware :)

[–]ahhhreallynow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like it doesn't it? Very sad.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm not allowed to blink :(

I should stfu

[–]StinkyPetes 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

You did your ownself in. Changing the rules midstream not TELLING people ahead of time then using it to ban people? Oh please, cry me a river. Perhaps NOT posting your asshattery where people are FREE to tell you what they think about it without getting banned would be a good thing.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

You seem upset. Is it really worth this kind of anger?

[–]StinkyPetes 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you a shrink now too? Unjust behavior by people in "charge" is upsetting on its face or it should be. That you went so far as to cover UP another mods unethical behavior tells me what camp YOU belong in.

This entire case is about people in power ABUSING their power to obtain the outcome that they desire. If the shoe fits, put it on and go for a hike.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Relax, this is just reddit. You have a nice sub here, no reason you can't grow it together.

[–]katekennedy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, the poor widdle guy. Trying to blame the condition of his reputation on a sub Reddit? That's funny.

[–]BugDog1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

More complicated than you not just doing the active modding requested by the community months ago (delete EWE type posts, give flair, merge posts, ban Luke types) ? But instead leaving that to breed and then punishing everyone for your inaction?

[–]Pizzled[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Edited: just needed her reply so I could block that account, plus I've seen that crap before, shouldn't be in here.

[–]StinkyPetes 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Bullshit. I sat right there and watched you gloat over banning me for calling out the guilter asshattery and you are clearly biased. And you covered up/deleted the CLEAR bias of another mod on this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4l244r/rmakingamurderer_moderator_shenanigans/

SO your word is worth zero.

[–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm on mobile so I can't see your history but is this the thing where you called people bitches and got banned for it? I would do that anywhere regardless of context. But ok

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    [–]siouxsie_siouxv2 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Our sub has a rule against calling people names. Or saying they "act like bitches". Maybe this one is cool with that kind of stuff but I doubt it since the creator seems fairly reasonable.

    [–]StinkyPetes 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Like you? There is a difference between behavior and making it personal and your crowing that you banned me for calling them out for their BEHAVIOR is proof enough. There is no rule posted or otherwise about calling out BEHAVIOR on your MAM sub. But then since you change the rules in your head prior to posting them and ban people for not following them maybe there is a rule somewhere floating in the nethers. If you do not know the difference between BEHAVIOR and making it personal perhaps dictionary.

    [–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    "Acting like bitches" doesn't describe behavior and if I recall correctly it wasn't that vague. You literally called someone a bitch. But name calling seems to be your schtick so have fun with that.

    [–]StinkyPetes 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I posted a link to the thread sweets, so anything you're saying now is just wasted breath. Acting...can you go to your dictionary and look that up? ACTING LIKE...seriously.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4fkt2a/steve_and_autotrader_photographers/

    [–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You're right, this was the height of civility:

    "Yes it does, and if your lot keeps acting like little bitches I'm going to call you out again.

    There's absolutely no law about being stupid, you can be stupid all over this forum all you want, but you carry your stupid into being little bitches, I'm gonna say something."

    Any mod would leave that shit up

    [–]lrbinfrisco 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sounds like the mods are in a conspiracy to cover something up. Where have I seen something like this before? Maybe the Wisconsin DOJ should investigate, they always get to the bottom of things make sure things stay covered up.

    [–]wickedren2 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for this explanation: this morning I felt abandoned and sad.

    Yes that's my post in theory (sorry), I felt like I needed some closure about what happened. And I wanted to add a thought about who I think is behind the changes

    [–]danesays 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Does anyone have any guesses about why:

    1) Yet another mod (NaNS) was added when they already have about a dozen?

    2) The theory sub was created 3 months ago, but only mentioned now? Had they been holding onto it until the "right" moment...?

    [–]sleuthysleutherton 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    From Cancer (a glimpse at S-SV2 rationale for the changes):

    [–]indigo-alien 2 points 6 days ago

    I'm not even sure why that sub exists unless it's some sort of fiction writer's guild hall.

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    [–]siouxsie_siouxv2 2 points 6 days ago

    It's supposed to be about the show. but now it's about ... Something else.

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    [–]sleuthysleutherton 7 points 4 hours ago

    You'd think if the community evolves, the mods wouldn't stand in the way of letting the sub evolve too. Bizarre.

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    [–]siouxsie_siouxv2 -1 points 4 hours ago

    So if I had a subreddit called /r/comicbooks and then there was a massive influx of people who flooded the sub with posts about the movie X-Men and literally nothing else... Would it be unreasonable for me to remove some of those posts or suggest they maybe move some of them over to /r/xmen?

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    [–]sleuthysleutherton 1 point 13 minutes ago

    Apples to oranges. The people who are on the MaM sub are interested and have always been interested in the case, which we were initially introduced to through the docu-series and then, very shortly thereafter, continued to follow as transcripts and evidence were made available. For obvious reasons, the conversation about the case evolved with the availability of the files. Everyone was happy. But then the moderation de-evolved. Months and months after the conversation had already expanded, which really happened in like January, I believe, thanks to /u/SkippTopp's efforts acquiring the files, the mods decided what has been the way pretty much the whole time is no longer the way it will be moving forward...despite the protest of the community. Given that factual history, I think the mod's behavior has become entirely unreasonable.

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    [–]luckystar2591 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The theory sub has hardly any members or traffic. I don't think it will take off.

    [–]BlueNiassa 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Which is probably what they're hoping for. [Speculation]

    ;-)

    [–]JLWhitaker 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for the history. I'm asleep when most of the drama happens, so I wake up to strange.

    I read a bit over there just now and found that it's pretty much died. I think there are only like 3 posts, one for the new mod, in the last 20 hours. Yet this sub is booming! Bottom line: they scared people off.

    [–]Jobrohais 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for the new sub. It got too confusing with all the new rules etc.

    It got to the point where I didn't want to post anything because I didn't know which flair to use...and would have to get out of what I was writing, go to the explanations of the flakes and back in to my post again. So I just didn't bother.

    Their reasoning of the MaM sub getting off topic and and affecting people outside of the sub doesn't make any sense if they're going to allow it on the new one.

    "No kids, you can't play with explosives in the living room because you might blow the house up. Go and play with them in the dining room instead" Logic is obviously not their strong point which is kind of ironic given the nature of the the whole MaM debacle.

    [–]SissyJoh 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    thx OP for the breakdown

    i check back in with real life for a second...i go on a holiday with my girls for 4 days......annnd i miss whatever seems to be the beginnings of the end of the MaM sub -- eh omg soo sad :( but happy for this new home..thx again hos xo 👊🏽

    ....& soo close to the 31st & the brief hmmmm

    i don't know any of u but i am thankful for all the discussions, theories, new evidence digging, speculation & skipps legendary crowdfunding documents..for all the funny & interesting comments & just ALL.OF.IT........i am nowhere near as clever as our amazing main players, but i sure do love checking in & being glued to my screen for hours on end...you all keep this deep obsession alive, kicking & healthy (somewhat) haha

    much respect 🇦🇺❤️⚖✌🏽️

    [–]SilkyBeesKnees 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can't tell you how much I appreciate this, Pizzled! As a newbie redditor it was all quite confusing. But getting clearer by the minute.

    [–]roadpuppets 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    re: the 3 mam mods. In general I tend mind my own business ya know, you want to run a crappy sub & power trip, fine whatever. But it's when you start to get all in your face with your scummyness, almost as if you're proud of it... when you start stepping on others rights and get borderline abusive, then I may lose it a bit and even go on a little mission to at least expose your shitty behavior and lack of basic decency.

    [–]Bituquina 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's good to understand what went down.

    I had a feeling something was very very wrong after the new rules post.

    [–]OpenMind4U 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thank you for reminding and warning. Appreciated.

    [–]ForeverRotts 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes, thank you for your perspective. When you say "Block" those mods do you mean "Ignore" as this is the only option I can see.

    [–]RF-09-DKMS-67 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's an option you can select when you click on that particular user, in Reddit Is Fun it's the three vertical dots below their username, not sure exactly how it is labeled in the browser or other clients, but it is specifically "block user" vs. Ignore.

    This might only be available if they have messaged you or replied to one of your comments, try it in your inbox, if you see it there that may make this a lot clearer, sorry going from memory here.

    [–]danesays 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The subscriber number here keeps climbing. :)

    I am still reading the comments at the main sub... I think I'm getting an understanding of the purpose of r/TheoryofMaM... to warehouse the "vocal minority" of armchair sleuths so that r/MaM can go back to having "friendly, casual discussion about the documentary". (paraphrasing)

    [–]innocens 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LOL, I have a bridge to sell if anyone falls for that.

    [–]Sinsaint36 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for explaining this! I've been gone a few weeks and couldn't figure out what happened.

    [–]Snoedog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow. Reddit drama, eh.

    [–]Howsthemapples 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What a crazy couple of weeks! Oh well Tick Tock! The countdown to the 31st (without an extension ;) is ON!

    [–]luckystar2591 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The banter between the Mods and existing members of MaM is actually getting pretty funny.......

    So much for trying to clean up the sub

    [–]StinkyPetes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Add this to the OP

    Add this to the OP....more lying, cheating, changing posts, denying then deleting when caught red-handed

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4l244r/rmakingamurderer_moderator_shenanigans/

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for your perspective.