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METASubreddit Update And New Mods (self.ThisIsNotASafeSpace)

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Hello /r/ThisIsNotASafeSpace subscribers,

As you may have noticed, the previous moderators for this sub had been inactive for months and the sub's content was suffering for it, with Neo-Nazis and members of legitimate hate groups deciding this would be a "safe space" for them to promote their agendas. Several users objected to this and it all got reported multiple times, but with no active moderators, no changes could be made. Wanting this sub to be a positive place for people to discuss campus authoritarianism and the proliferation of "PC" culture throughout society in general, I did a Reddit Request for this sub and was given moderator privileges. /u/TheHat2 and a few others may also be joining the team as mods as well, but as I intend the moderation style to be relatively hands-off, there probably isn't a need for a big team at this point in time.

Very brief bio about myself and why I've decided this sub serves an important purpose. I previously worked in Higher Education, specifically in Sexual Misconduct Prevention, and have seen firsthand the harms of this culture which seems to be prevailing on campus. Those criticizing misleading sexual assault statistics being shot down, those criticizing "rape culture" rhetoric or unconstitutional campus due-process policies being accused of being "rape apologists", etc. It's a large reason why I left the field but I'm still interested in efforts to expose the culture and contribute to positive changes to combat it.

Many of the intended changes the previous mods wanted to make I will keep in place (https://www.reddit.com/r/ThisIsNotASafeSpace/comments/46zipw/subreddit_update_seeking_new_mods_for/). In summary:

1.) Rule 4 has been changed to include the text "Comments or posts which promote malignant bigotry (including the use of slurs for the purpose of disparaging others) are subject to removal. Users that post such comments repeatedly will be banned."

2.) Domains such as Daily Stormer are now going to be filtered out automatically by AutoMod. I have gone back and removed most of those links from here from the past half year and have not chosen to ban anybody posting those or engaging in any Rule 4 violating content. From here on out, Rule 4 will be enforced.

3.) Some other minor changes may be made but hopefully with just the couple listed above, this can be relatively hands-off in terms of moderation.

If you have any suggestions, questions, criticisms, etc. feel free to message modmail or voice them here. I'm expecting backlash from those that Rule 4 will effect, but it seems the community at large would like for that content to no longer be here so the sub can get back to it's intended purpose.

MakeThisIsNotASafeSpaceGreatAgain

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[–]ShapeOfAUnicorn -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why care, though? This sub is technically a safe space now, from ideas that certain others are offended by.

Are Nazis disgusting people? Yes.

Are the posts more likely made by people who just want to feel edgy? Maybe.

Is the Daily Stormer hateful trash? No doubt about it.

HOWEVER, with this move, you have successfully #MadeThisIsNotASafeSpaceASafeSpaceNow

It's fine if you want to create your own safe space, but don't then claim you're still "not a safe space".

I don't see what's wrong with seeing posts from hateful people. If you're triggered, chances are you don't (or I guess the correct word on this sub now, after this moderation decision has been made, would be DIDN'T) belong on this sub anyway.

Free exchange of ideas, people. Racists, sexists and other hateful people expose themselves through their actions. You don't have to agree with them.

MakeThisIsNotASafeSpaceGreatAgain by not making this a safe space.

[–]TheHat2 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, let me tell you a story.

We tried this sort of thing with /r/SocialJusticeInAction. We said "fuck it, let's let the votes decide what stays and gets hidden, and leave it at that."

And then came the Neo-Nazis, the white nationalists, the bigots and trolls. And they weren't deterred by the downvotes. The community clearly didn't support that rhetoric, but the opposition didn't dissuade the white nationalists in the slightest. So people began to leave, and they told us as much. They couldn't participate in a sub that was being seen as, ironically, a safe space for hatemongers.

What did we do? Nothing, at first. We made an announcement and said "we're aware of the problem, but we're not going to do anything right now because we don't think it's right to do it." And that announcement led to even more of the same people coming in, spreading their racist rhetoric, driving more of the established community away.

The time came where we said enough is enough, and we kicked them out. Anyone using slurs to disparage others, banned. Submissions from Daily Stormer, gone. Cleaned out the worst offenders in a day. And the problem has practically vanished.

Sometimes, restrictions work. They don't work when they establish echo-chambers. And considering the only real restriction here is "don't openly be a racist cockbag," I don't quite believe that counts towards creating an echo-chamber.

[–]ShapeOfAUnicorn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a difference between /r/socialjusticeinaction and /r/notasafespace. One claims to not be a safe space in its very name, the other doesn't.

There is also a difference between moderating troll content and moderating racist content. Troll content would be, in a sub that isn't a safe space, irrelevant shitposting (i.e a jontron meme on this sub, which is about social conflict).

You can decide to justify this move however you want, but you've still made it a safe space. As I said, moderate it however you wish to, but this sub is now a safe space by definition.