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College Republicans and speaker Milo Yiannopoulos silenced on DePaul's Campus (dailycaller.com)
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[–]JasonGeo 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 21時間前* (47子コメント)
Shame that DePaul is so anti-free speech. Everything Dr. King fought for is steadily being destroyed by these racist children.
[–]TheTurntLocker[S] 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 21時間前 (35子コメント)
Right. They're fighting for equality, but denying other's their right to free speech ... which, well, is the opposite of equality
[+]fuckingriot スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 19時間前 (34子コメント)
Freedom of speech protects individuals or organizations from government interference. Basically, you cannot be arrested for your opinions. It has nothing to do with other individuals or organizations from being louder than you. This isn't your safe space.
[–]TheThoughtAssassin 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 18時間前 (21子コメント)
From a legal standpoint, you are correct. However, there is a certain ethical expectation or principal of treating other people's opinions with respect, and not interrupting their speech with threats of violence or yelling.
Is it illegal? No, but it is very inconsiderate and intolerant to treat other opinions in such a manner.
[+]fuckingriot スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 18時間前 (20子コメント)
That's a completely different argument then. "Free speech" has nothing to do with it. "Oh, wah wah, people are being inconsiderate!" I'm sorry did you think this was a safe space? Respect is not an objectively observable thing. What you call respect may be what someone else calls disrespect, or vice versa. Deal with it, that's life.
[–]TheThoughtAssassin 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 18時間前 (19子コメント)
I'm not asking for a safe space, no one is; we are completely open to different points of view, and for a debate/discussion/argument to be had. We just don't want to have our venues (which we paid for) be rudely interrupted, with our guest speaker then physically threatened. It isn't illegal, as you pointed out, but it reflects poorly on what is supposed to be place of open inquiry and discussion.
[+]fuckingriot スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 18時間前 (18子コメント)
i.e. you want your space to be safe. That's cute. Welcome to the real world.
[–]escuradents 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 16時間前 (5子コメント)
I don't want to be physically threatened or assaulted in a university. I'm clearly a crybaby pussy who can't deal with the real world, thnx for the insight.
[–]fuckingriot -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 15時間前 (4子コメント)
Well, maybe the university isn't the safe space you're looking for then? Sorry you can't deal with it. Some off us have thicker skin
[–]escuradents 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 15時間前 (1子コメント)
You're right, that's what I say to women victims of harassement, assault or threats in my campus. University isn't fit for them, they should just leave if they can't deal with it.
[–]Clemalum07 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
Apparently your skin isnt that thick if you cant allow an event on your campus without threatening violence.
[–]buckingbronco1 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
Some of us are fascists.
[–]TheThoughtAssassin 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 18時間前 (9子コメント)
You're an idiot
[+]fuckingriot スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 18時間前 (8子コメント)
At least I'm not a hypocritical cuck.
[–]TheThoughtAssassin 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
You seem to have trouble understanding words. Please explain how I'm a hypocrite.
[–]BirdsInTheNest -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (5子コメント)
You're claiming they want a safe space when you don't want their views and ideas being perpetuated. Sounds like you're the hypocrite on this one.
[–]blanketar 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
If this was the real world we would have beat the shit out of the protesters and continued the meeting.
But it's not
[–]fuckingriot -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Maybe if you weren't such pussies you would have tried.
[–]2ndEarlofRoch 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18時間前 (4子コメント)
That's called the mob-rule.
[–]fuckingriot -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 18時間前 (3子コメント)
Call it whatever you want, it's still not a violation of free speech.
[–]2ndEarlofRoch 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
So If I were to follow you around in public with and use a bullhorn everytime you tried to say something that would't be a violation of your freedom of speech?
[–]fuckingriot -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
Absolutely not, considering, as I said above, the freedom of speech is a guarantee against government interference with public expression. You would be an asshole and I would probably stick you for it, but it is not, according to the US Constitution, a violation of my freedom of speech.
[–]buckingbronco1 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
If this were true, anyone can hire someone with a 200dB loud speaker to effectively silence speech they disagree with. This is Chinese Red Guard tactics.
[–]IHaveGreyPoupon 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
This is partially correct, but it ignores that government action can exist in like-instances. To set the stage, one must recognize that the First Amendment carries costs for the State. Schneider v. New Jersey (State cannot ban leafleting on grounds that it leads to litter which the state must clean up itself. Such a cost must be borne by the state.) The state has a duty to reasonably protect a speaker's right to speak, even against a hostile audience. If the speaker is unable to exercise her right to speak in a public place due to an unruly crowd, we have what is called a "heckler's veto." The government action occurs if the government steps in to stop the speech for fear that the speaker will be harmed for speaking. Such action is an impermissible infringement on the speaker's First Amendment unless the government took reasonable action to protect the speech but was outmuscled by the crowd. Terminiello v. Chicago; more recently, Bible Believers v. Wayne County.
There was no State action here because Milo was not removed from the venue by the police, and thus there was no First Amendment violation, but that does not support your blanket statement that crowd reaction is irrelevant in determining whether a First Amendment violation occurs. That stance is wholly foreign to First Amendment jurisprudence.
For those passionate about the First Amendment, specifically in this context, I urge you to read the majority opinion in Bible Believers. Here is a link to Eugene Volokh's coverage of the decision, and inside the article you will find a link to the opinion itself. It has been praised by First Amendment scholars for providing an accurate and concise history of the issue.
[–]patriotaxe -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 38分前 (4子コメント)
Disrupting a privately paid for event is not legal. Do your homework rube.
[–]fuckingriot 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 32分前 (3子コメント)
It was paid for with student funds, drawn from the tuition paid by the students who disrupted. They paid for it.
[–]Leirsyn 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 27分前 (2子コメント)
Wrong. The entire event's funds were raised by the College Republicans and some portion from Breitbart for security, after the university demanded it, which totally failed obviously. Not a single lick of tuition went into this event. You need to do your research before making absurd claims. So does this change your opinion? I would have not even allowed any of them into the room and made it a private event since it was from our own funds.
[–]fuckingriot 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 16分前 (1子コメント)
Source?
[+]TheMoneyOfArt スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24ポイント-23ポイント-22ポイント 20時間前 (10子コメント)
where did King support racist demagogues, exactly?
[–]TheTurntLocker[S] 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 20時間前* (9子コメント)
he supported the right to free speech and more relevant, the freedom of assembly (which he exercised daily through his work)
These encompass any form of speech, racist or otherwise
[+]TheMoneyOfArt スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 20時間前 (8子コメント)
can you give me a quote?
[–]TheTurntLocker[S] 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 20時間前 (7子コメント)
"All we say to America is to be true to what you said on paper. If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand some of these illegal injunctions. Maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they haven’t committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as I say we aren’t going to let any dogs or water hoses turn us around, we aren’t going to let any injunction turn us around." - Dr. Martin Luther King Junior
from his I've Been to the Mountaintop speech
[+]TheMoneyOfArt スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20ポイント-19ポイント-18ポイント 20時間前 (6子コメント)
you seem to have googled "mlk freedom of assembly" without understanding it.
[–]TheTurntLocker[S] 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 20時間前 (5子コメント)
No, I get it. Through his work, he was often silenced while holding and attending protests. In this particular incidence, he was talking about an injunction the Alabama government gave him to cease. He was being told that he was no longer allowed to peacefully gather and demonstrate in Birmingham.
The quote above was his way of saying "well, we're going to do it anyway, because we are guaranteed that right in the bill of rights"
[–]TheMoneyOfArt -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 20時間前 (4子コメント)
please google "jim crow"
[–]TheTurntLocker[S] 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 19時間前 (2子コメント)
Okay, done. And what am I looking for, in relation to the above discussion?
[–]TheMoneyOfArt -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 19時間前 (1子コメント)
context
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