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Youth or experience? (self.reddevils)

RedArmyNic が 投稿

It's become increasingly obvious that we need to sign a striker for next season to bang in some goals for us. The question is, do we continue to buy young, promising players to fill the role, or do we go after more experienced heads?

Experienced strikers we should attempt tosign: Gonzalo Higuain, Zlatan, Kane, Dybala.

Youth strikers to consider: Cauley Woodrow, Zakaria Bakkali, Jürgen Locadia.

Disclaimer: it is understood that not all of these players would be available at a reasonable price. So, the top three for me would have to be Zlatan and Higuain for experience, absolute, and being able to realistically sign them. Woodrow is going to be a quality striker, and we could get him for cheaper than the rest.

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[–]RyanSorsbyMartial 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Both.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Okay, agreed. But who do you think we need to bring in?

[–]TMilloMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You class Kane as non Youth?

[–]RedArmyNic[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard to not put him in the experienced section when he's played 80+ matches for Tottenham at the senior level.

[–]gofod 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Rashford

[–]RedArmyNic[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't want to bring in to many, in hopes to not hinder his development. But, do you think he can handle a full work load to help us finish top four again? Because I don't. He needs help.

[–]danc906Schweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

he needed help this year, he'll need help next year. Great debut season but our lack of depth really hurt us up top...especially now that is seems Rooney is looking to take a deeper role.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's what I'm trying to say here. He's undoubtedly going to be a solid first team player, but he can't shoulder the workload on his own. Everyone keeps acting like he's already a star, but making him do it on his own is only going to hinder his development as a player.

[–]danc906Schweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

100% agree...even if he was already a star, this club should want to be challenging on all fronts (league, Europe, FA Cup) as soon as possible. You need more depth and options than the team has had the past few seasons.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I've said LvG didn't deserve all the blame, this is something he deserved the blame for. He sold RvP, Chicharito, Welbeck, and we relied on Rooney and the younger players, a mixture for failure. I would love to have a player like Zlatan come in and teach the young guns a thing or two about composure.

[–]CveinMemphis & Martial 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Having Zlatan for a year will be great for our other young attacking (and defending!) players.

I don’t want two new strikers this window. But one experienced one is ideal, I think.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully a bit of his inherent ability to score amazing goals rubs off on them. Haha

[–]StannisJrScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We only need an experienced striker, Zlatan will do.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wouldn't want any of those youth strikers.

Dybala is good but not sure I'd call him experienced.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

When I say experienced strikers it means players who have played a full season at the top flight of a top five league (Italy, Germany, England, Spain, France).

Why would you not want those youth players? Woodrow has been impressive for the English youth teams and Fulham, and the other two have both been very impressive in the Eridivisie, which is well-known to produce talent on a regular basis.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

You don't watch much of Bakkali then because he's at Valencia now after spending a year in PSV reverses due to his attitude,hes been poor in Spain too.

We have a good enough batch of English forwards without paying stupid money to get more.

Locadia has been good but hardly anything special.

One year in a top league isn't enough to be considered experienced imo.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's why I listed both of these strikers in youth, not experienced. And yes, I've watched Bakkali play while he was at PSV, and a few times in La Liga. He is a promising young talent. As far as the attitude issues go, there's been plenty of players who have been labeled with that stigma that have worked out for the best.

Also, stupid money? We wouldn't have to pay stupid money to get Woodrow, nor would we have to for either of the other young players I listed.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was referring to you saying one year is enough to be considered experienced not those players.

Very few turn it around there's a very long list of very talented players out there with bad attitude that waste there skill. Bakkali looks to be joining that list.

I guarantee we'd have to pay Fulham a nice bit for what we'd be getting and it's be stupid to do when we have Rashford.

The others wouldn't cost a lot because they aren't worth it I wouldn't want them anywhere near the club they're mid table players at best.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay, so let me run through this-- Dybala has 124 first team appearances for Palermo and Juve, therefore experienced. Zlatan is obvious, Kane has 80+ for Tottenham. That's why they're all considered experienced.

As for the others, they either haven't played regularly at the top flight, or at all really. This is why I qualified them as youth, and not experienced.

Woodrow wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as any of the other young players we've been linked with out there. And I'll admit that Bakkali would probably be a stretch, even though he is a talented younger player. But, Locadia is a promising talent and would fit in well, especially for the fact that he would be a reasonably priced player.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For Palmero that's like saying a striker with that many games for Stoke is experienced, he is but not the experience we want.

After another year or 2 with Juve I'd class him as experienced. He's a huge talent and I'd love him but it's in no way a realistic signing nor is someone who could mentor players like Zlatan.

Kane is pushing into experienced territory now for sure after next season I'd class him as it as he'll have played the CL and Euros so he'll have seen all levels.

It's not about the cost though you pay big money for big players, we don't need to worry about cost . We don't need some young project we have enough youngsters. As far as I've seen none of those players would in anyway excite me I'd rather stick to our own young forwards who look 10 times more promising.

[–]limerickcitykidLawrence 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've watched Woodrow for the youth teams and Fulham and I don't rate him at all. Would take Rashford and Wilson over him any day.

By all means Bakkali is a massive cunt and bar scoring a hat-trick once he has done just about nothing in his career. He is also a winger.

Don't know much about Locadia but transfermarkts says he plays mainly as a winger and is older than Memphis and has a worse scoring record than Memphis for PSV.

[–]RedArmyNic[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woodrow is underrated, so I'm not sure why you don't rate him. Care to elaborate? Also, Wilson is athletic, but needs to improve on his technical ability to be able to contribute anything of worth to the first team.

As for Locadia, he plays both as a striker and a winger, just like both of our young attackers that everyone loves. Versatility should make him even more of a target, not a negative at all.