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[–]TheNightHaunter 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Funny enough I looked for a mod to make everyonr Chinese so I could recreate the Chinese empire complete with the 8 banners so I actually have to disagree with there decision since the third rech flag mods are still up

[–]oOGeneral_RyanOoEmperor 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Swastikas are fine but not all white pops

[–]KayttajatiliArctic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go to Steam/SteamApps/Common/Stellaris/gfx/portraits/portraits and open the 00_portraits .txt file, then look up refrences to humans in the file and remove refrences to any portraits that are not the portrait 02. (That is the asian one).

For any other portrait specification purposes, the portraits number matches the number a phenotype possesses in the species editor.

Remember to back up the original file. For example, using a oo_portraits with the caucasian portraits disabled will make the Commonwealth of Man's default starting leader invisible because she is hardcoded to be one. Meaning you should only use the modified file when playing empires you made yourself.

[–]mask2697 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, they let us play ckii so that we can expel all Jews and systematically capture and castrate anyone not Greek to further Greek blood lines. From that anything else is kind of trivial.

[–]AimoLohkare 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are free to enslave and purge all black and Asian pops in your empire but don't you dare make a mod that removes them!

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. They're just adding more challenges to the game.

[–]HeshKadesh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Steam Achievements, hopefully.

[–]HandicapdHippo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The pop icon is just cosmetic though. You can't remove a race as they are selected randomly when a new pop grows.

[–]mightygaz 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

will they be removing the mod that makes everyone asian?

this is a bit ridiculous.

[–]blahblahlalawhoomp 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

[–]mightygaz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

i'll defer to your superior knowledge of neo-nazis. personally i have no idea what they say.

[–]blahblahlalawhoomp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. Ending multiculturalism is the stated goal of the modern white-supremacist.

[–]04231993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember a similar thread got shut down on the Paradox forums before the game released. Not only did the guy ask if white only pops were possible, he also mentioned "purifying" the human race of all brown and black people. Like wtf?

[–]Boxwork 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

That sucks, back to enslaving the blacks I guess.

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Now I have to waste all that time purging pops. This blows.

[–]taggedjc 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you purge them while they are still a growing Pop, it's instant!

Purging babies is the best.

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, Uncle Mao :')

[–]Mr_Kringerpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are policies to prevent slaves from reproducing.

[–]taggedjc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but your other Pops will still reproduce, and they could show up as any phenotype.

Of course, if slave breeding is off, you can just enslave the growing offspring and it will magically disappear, no purging necessary! Your neighbors will love you for that.

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[–]arcoolkaMolluscoid 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lmao alright SRS, that comment was a joke.

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    [–]peffi23 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Couldn't you technically enslave or genocide humans of different nationalities/colour on your planets in Stellaris? It's already in the game mechanics...

    [–]NotScrollsApparentlyOligarch 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Yeah but it might become awkward when your black pop grows up and becomes white, while still being enslaved.

    [–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In a village deep in the nigerian forest, an english Explorer was staying with the native population to study their culture.
    One morning, he got pulled out of his hut by an angry mod and brought to the chief. His wife had just given birth, and the baby was pale as an autumn cloud with white hair and clear eyes.
    The explorer denied any implication with the woman and tried explaining how genetics work, to no avail.
    Then he brought the chief near a pasture to demonstrate how nature can be tricky sometimes. He pointed at a black sheep and explained the chief that although he had white parents, genetics might get involved and give him unusual attributes.
    The chief immediatly calmed down, cautiously looked around him and whispered in his ears: "all right english man, I'll forget your incident with my wife if you cover me for the sheep".

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      [–]Sefirot8 31ポイント32ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Their business is making a game, not weeding through mods that might be contrary to their values. They are essentially saying "we are unwilling to let people have certain experiences". Even if a mod comes out thats blatantly racist, thats steams decision, not Paradox. Its ironic anyway, for a game that has genocide included as a core mechanic.

      "Hey, you wanna be a maniacal empire that purges xeno scum?? That sounds awesome... as long as you arent white only. You can ethnically cleanse that civilization, but make sure you include people of african and asian descent in your extermination squads. Mmmk thanks."

      [–]in_rod_we_trust 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Can't you manually purge any humans who are coloured anyway in this game? I mean the game already has genocidal options. I guess it hits too close to home, and they don't want some media outlet on a slow day picking up a story that they are linked to these mods (sort of like the Reddit pedo pics subreddit ban).

      [–]williamfbuckleysfist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep and you can also fucking enslave them which is arguably worse from a "racist" standpoint.

      [–]IronGremlin 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

      You could at least pretend to understand that there might be a difference between purging the Xorbkaxxionss of kala-azar 8 and 'roleplaying' an empire of White's only.

      One of those things hits just a little closer to home for some people.

      And "what they are saying" is that they'd rather not have Paradox be silently endorsing this by keeping it up on a channel they moderate. I'm sorry you have to look elsewhere to get your galaxy full of Space Nazis.

      [–]renadi 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Doesn't one of their games let you literally play as hitler?

      I disagree with them making this choice, it seems contrary to their goals.

      [–]in_rod_we_trust 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I'm not familiar with HoI series, but if you play as Germany, do they have you make decisions related to the Holocaust? Or is it strictly military? Because if it's the latter, I really see no problem. As long as he's just a leader with some stats, there's nothing wrong with it IMO.

      [–]Clumpy 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Either way it wouldn't be a problem in a fictional setting. I'm taking a pounding in this thread but all I'm arguing is that making content with racism is different than making content for racists.

      [–]Eurehetemec 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It is very clearly military ONLY. Intentionally so.

      [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, they should be focused more on releasing the full game before they focus on being Marxists.

      [–]HandicapdHippo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Even if a mod comes out that's blatantly racist,that's steams descion not paradoxs.

      That's not true at all paradox has full control of everything in the steam workshop and forums same as every other Dev. If they wanted to ban the use of triangles in steam mods it's fully within their rights to do it.

      [–]Eurehetemec -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It reflects on their game.

      They are very well within their rights, as publisher, to say "We don't want this mod in your official Steam database".

      I mean, you mad that Steam didn't have porn mods for FO4 or the like? They exist, but the devs don't want them there.

      Anyway, not sure why you think this isn't their decision as a business. You can get your racism and porn and so on from Moddb.

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        [–]Thunderkleize[S] 51ポイント52ポイント  (83子コメント)

        I'm not sure I agree with this.

        For people who want to roleplay, you can imagine a universe where some really shitty people do some really shitty things and now they are the only humans left in the universe.

        EDIT: I think removing these sorts of options only hurts in the long run.

        [–]Mirria_ 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

        So, racism bad, but speceism is ok?

        If someone wants to play the 4th Reich or something, it's their choice really. I don't really "like" it, but I don't feel it's a good idea to go politically correct either.

        [–]ArcherMi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The funny thing is that the ability to do so is already in the game. There's nothing to stop you from enslaving or purging a human pop if it grows as non-white.

        At least with the mod you can make some excuse for why there are only white people (for example by saying these humans don't even come from earth or aren't technically human at all) but the words "purge" and "enslave" leave very little to interpretation.

        [–]DrBoomkin 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

        How could anyone possibly agree with this? WTF Paradox???

        I really cant wrap my head around how anyone with a brain could possibly think there is anything offensive with that mod, and I'm not even from a European or American country...

        My guess is that this has something to do with the fact that Paradox are a Swedish company, and Sweden is notoriously "politically correct"...

        This really worries me. Imagine a mod where you play as "Space Nazis", basically an alternate history mod where the Nazis won WW2 and go into space. The mod would basically change all clothing of characters into Nazi officer uniforms, the flag into a swastika, would force you into being fanatic militarist and fanatic xenophobe (and maybe some unique traits), and would add some interesting events. Now it becomes obvious that this kind of mod would not be allowed by Paradox, which is a shame since it could have been an interesting mod.

        (and before someone accuses me of being a Nazi, I'm an Israeli Jew who had family members who were murdered in the holocaust)

        [–]renadi 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        According to a dev, there was more to it than that article reports and it was indeed racist in intent.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/4ktt2l/paradox_pulls_discriminatory_stellaris_mod_that/d3ht2c6

        [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

        [–]Eurehetemec 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

        It's nothing to do with PC.

        It's a to do with a PRIVATE COMPANY avoiding PUBLIC EMBARASSMENT. They are here to make a profit, not avoid offending racists. Do they want headlines like "Game mod in official mod store allows space nazis to purge space jews"? or the like? No.

        How is this difficult? FO4 bans porn mods, for example.

        [–]DrBoomkin 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

        It's not the official mod store. It's the steam workshop. I could understand if they curated mods on the official Paradox website, but that is not the case here.

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          [–]StickittomeToxic 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Meh, the biggest vic2 mod got removed too and it hasn't really hurt anything. I think they're just trying to avoid stepping on any toes.

          You can download the mod here, btw.

          [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

          [–]REMSheep 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

          The combo of European and White is odd as they are two different concepts. As a black American my experience of the conflation of the two is usually in racist contexts. I don't know how I feel but I feel its worth mentioning. I shall now clench my cheeks for the uncomfortable responses.

          Edit: Though honestly white supremacists are gonna keep doing their thing regardless. The more time they spend jerking off to cuckold porn and playing grand strategy games, the less time they have for hate crimes.

          [–]Socrathustra 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

          cuckold porn

          That's remarkably specific.

          [–]Eurehetemec 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Indeed, for some reason it's huge with far-right/neo-nazi types.

          [–]Socrathustra 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          TIL but didn't need to.

          [–]3vilbill 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

          One man dominating another man by "claiming" his woman? Why wouldn't it be.

          [–]Eurehetemec 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

          The dominator is almost always black. Which with white racists loving it makes the whole thing very... interesting...

          [–]yacobus-leui 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          where you getting this info ? im sure your sources are solid and verified but just to make sure...

          [–]renadi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Tumblr's pretty good if you're interested...

          [–]yacobus-leui 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          where you getting this info friendo ? im sure your sources are solid and verified but just to make sure...

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            [–]spankymuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Agreed. And this is a game where you can purge whole populations of people. Where an actual ethos is devoted to the principle that all other aliens are inferior/dangerous. But they're drawing the line here? Ridiculous.

            I'm just opposed to content-based limits and censorship in general. Unless the content is illegal, anything should be allowed. But it's a European company, so I'm sure their thoughts on expression are a bit different. At the end of the day, it's their business decision and they can make it. It's just disappointing. I feel like they should encourage modding. Open up the forum to all ideas. Let the users decide what they like and dislike. Have some respect for your customers. Don't assume that just because you find something discriminatory it means you have to spare everyone from it. You're a company with a product, not our moral guide. A good thing, too, what with all the incest, murder, patricide, genocide, minors getting pregnant, etc. ,etc. in some of their games...

            Edit: Oh, and slavery. Can't believe I forgot that one. Hell, they almost encourage it in Stellaris. I've enslaves just about everyone in my game and it has helped me immensely.

            [–]tsking01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I don't care if someone wants to play a white only or black only or European only race. It's their fantasy world, they can create any story they see fit. Maybe they want to play a collectivist military race that promotes slavery - who are also human. Now are we saying that it's wrong to use the human race for this, but with other species it's fine? C'mon now. You KNOW that collectivist, xenophobic militants of ANY species are going to be racist. Why are humans the exception? Paradox is making a gross assumption about the creator and users of the mod that doesn't seem justified.

            I'll be busy playing my starfish reptiles who enjoy their spiritual solitude, contemplating why skin color matters to those who believe skin color doesn't matter.

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              [–]Paradoxal_BearCommunity Manager 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

              I haven't read all the comments here, but I want to make a comment on this nonetheless. There are several mods that will allow you to role-play in most of the different ways I've seen you suggest in here. This particular mod had several disturbing elements in it's public description which we do not want to have clearly displayed on our product page however.

              You are right of course. Our job is to make computer games, not push political agendas. This is why we removed some political proclamations being made in the description field on our workshop page. Eurogamer left out several details on what it actually was that we removed.

              [–]woaden88 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

              http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tv8IEXSuuyMJ:steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/%3Fid%3D682291921%26searchtext%3D+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=br

              no 'multiculturalism' here

              OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN!

              [–]Eurehetemec 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No-one here wants logic and business sense, dude! They just want to rage about how PC and mean you are.

              [–]IndridCipher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Get out of here with your sensible response to a overblown situation. The Internet is raging against the liberal bias in here ffs! Entertainment like this only comes around once every 5 minutes....

              [–]Trueseeing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Sweden Yes.

              Please stop policing optional content.

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                [–]Natirs 56ポイント57ポイント  (98子コメント)

                Yet this game allows your race to have slavery and be a xenophobe. But a mod that makes your entire population one race goes too far? LOL. If this isn't the sign of gaming companies trying to push agendas then I don't know what is. If they are going to go that far, I'd expect them to remove the other mods that allow for one race as well. Let's see if they do that. (We know they won't).

                [–]Paradoxal_BearCommunity Manager 83ポイント84ポイント  (19子コメント)

                We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an "agenda" not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page. We decided it was a step too far and removed it. Eurogamer did not do a good job describing what exactly it was we removed.

                [–]taggedjc 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ah, see, removing a mod because the author is being racist in the mod description sounds fair to me.

                Removing it simply because of what the mod actually modifies in-game would have been a bit silly, since separate racial human portraits are one of the most-commonly requested mod types so far and almost never sought after for racist purposes. Lots of legitimate roleplaying comes from these and similar storytelling tropes.

                [–]Andy06r 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Should repost as a top comment, no one is seeing this

                [–]dot-pixis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Listen to the admins, guys. Put down your pitchforks and listen.

                [–]3vilbill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                What is even better is that Eurogamer included a link to Moddb to download it.

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                  [–]Clumpy 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  The difference being whether xenophobia is part of the world/story and whether it's being encouraged and condoned in real life by a mod. Surely you'd recognize the difference between watching Django Unchained and watching a "modded" version with extra slur-ridden commentary? That has an entirely different context.

                  tl;dr Taking part in a story with racism in it is not the same thing as the player demanding that all characters be white.

                  [–]Natirs 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The difference being whether xenophobia is part of the world/story and whether it's being encouraged and condoned in real life by a mod.

                  What do you mean part of their world/story and whether it is being encouraged or condoned by a mod? So, if you pick being a xenophobic race, it only applies to your ancient past but not now because your human race has clearly embraced multiculturalism and diversity but still hates all other alien races? I'm confused. If you select that trait, you are that trait. Again, this discussion is only about humans and not other alien races as the mod in question is for humans. I just found it really ironic that they allow you to be xenophobic but when you want a mod that actually makes your human race legitimately xenophobic, it's racist. If they are going to make that a trait in their game but when someone wants to make a mod that actually fits the trait, that's where it crosses the line?

                  I'm still waiting to see if they are going to remove all of the "One Race" mods for humans or if it's just going to stop at the "white/Caucasian only" mods.

                  [–]Clumpy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Dude, if you're really just roleplaying a world in which racism and genocide worked differently then more power to you. We all explore dystopian/dysfunctional settings in fiction (I mean, many of us oppose the prison industrial complex but have a blast playing "Prison Architect"). But my point is that there's a difference between a mod/story/setting with racists and one for racists. Paradox not wanting to give the thing a benefit of a doubt represents their recognition of that distinction.

                  [–]TambienPrime Minister 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  You know they won't. Only whiteness is racist in the modern world.

                  [–]spankymuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Don't forget that you can purge whole groups of people. Genocide and slavery are ok. You can conquer the galaxy as space Nazis and purge every alien but your own. Totally cool because it's not "race" but "specie"? But why is it not race? Why not make the parallel comparison and say that Paradox is encouraging racism with a sci fi analogy? If they want to play the political correctness game, then let's go all the way.

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                    [–]SmacktrickZ 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Haha! What is the world comming to!

                    People get offended by literally anything and take shit way too personally.

                    Would it be the same if he had made a mod for some of the other xenos to be completely white?

                    I would love for a modder to take the least human looking species and make a mod for them that makes them all "pale" in skin color and see if people think that's racism.

                    As cliche as it sounds, stellaris really opened my mind on the fact that there are much larger things out there than us tiny humans. Get over yourself people, stop seeing evil everywhere just because there are a few populations which divert in ethics.

                    [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

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                      [–]SirRagesAlot 30ポイント31ポイント  (48子コメント)

                      As a minority who has experienced what some may call racism in real life....

                      I don't really give a shit what other people mod into their game and find this move stupid and unnecessary.

                      [–]TheAquamanEmperor 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      As a minority who has experienced what some may call racism in real life....

                      Are you sure about that?

                      I'm busting chops today.

                      Edit: True true, skin color doesn't always reflect ethnicity. As a black guy, I should be sensitive to that. Apologies, /u/SirRagesAlot

                      [–]SirRagesAlot 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'm sorry, does owning a nvidia shield make me a member of the next Master Race?

                      I'll return the tablet promptly

                      Or my hands too pale for you in bright light?

                      I didn't know I could turn white with some strong fluorescent light! This fixes everryythinhgg /s

                      [–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Humm... Isn't assuming you can't be a minority if you have white hands kinda racist ?

                      [–]racist_thowaway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      He could be Mexican, Native American, Asian, Arab, any mix of the above or even white mixed with one of these.

                      To look through his comment history and denounce what he's saying because he has whitish skin is EXTREMELY racist.

                      [–]Asiak 25ポイント26ポイント  (29子コメント)

                      I don't think I agree either, but I don't think I disagree that strongly.

                      It was named 'European Phenotype and Names Only (White Humans)' after all.

                      They could entirely be misinterpreting the mod maker's intent. And it is a slippery slope that they have (to my knowledge) never embarked on. The regulation of the mods that is.

                      But I'm sorry that title does also imply something.

                      To create a mod that changes the human look and name list is one thing. But then to label it exclusively with the word 'European' much less followed by the word 'only.' The title does kind of imply that this is the mod maker's definition of what 'European' is or should be.

                      [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

                      [–]DrBoomkin 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      That doesn't make sense. There is such a thing as a "European phenotype". It's not a racist term. The word "only" refers to the mod, since it makes humans "only" of the European phenotype.

                      [–]arcoolkaMolluscoid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      According to a Community Rep higher up in this thread, they thought it was distasteful at first, but kept it. The mod creator changed the description to something that pushed an agenda and they removed it.

                      It might've been the intent, might have not.

                      [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      That is what European is. We're white - there are no Black, Asian, or Aboriginal Europeans because it's not a civic term.

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                        [–]Rocksbury 22ポイント23ポイント  (50子コメント)

                        Lets make a mod that makes everyone people of color. I will put money on it staying up.

                        [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

                        [–]m0l0ch 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Oh so you're one of those people who think white people cant be subject to racism.

                        Someone already did, lets see what happens with these:

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                        [–]SmacktrickZ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I sorta feel sorry for the person that created these mods. He is being dragged into something he probably never intended to be part of.

                        Sorry Mr. Toad :(

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                        [–]graveedrool 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        I know a lot of people are being gentle to not risk down-voters but I'll go all the way and say it is like it is.

                        Paradox were WRONG to do this. Not "maybe wrong..." or "I mean I'd have done it differently but I see where this is coming from." - just wrong. I love them to bits and trust me when I say I'll still support them and play Stellaris' and all their other games and this won't change anything but this has been possibly one of their worse decisions so far.

                        As someone who tends to lean left wing (although I consider myself a moderate) this shit frustrates me so much - because you are feeding ammo to people who claim "Liberals are becoming oppressive and censorshipping everything!!" - it was the same bullshit that happened with tracer in overwatch but at least in that case the designers admitted they didn't like the pose anyway and more importantly it was part of the actual game. So you know what - I can understand that.

                        THIS is a fricking mod. It's not in your base game, so there isn't any excuse of "But legal actions!" or "But this might offend some people..." someone has to go to the trouble of searching this up then installing it to use it. This hurts NO ONE.

                        On top of that - the mod isn't even near racist or discriminatory. Oh boo hoo it only uses white people, THAT'S ROLE PLAYING. You just added the option to add a description to your custom Empires, you're trying to encourage backstory and role-playing right? But with humans no no no - it's ONLY the story of how humans lived happily ever after and diverse! Fuck it - could simply be a different race that evolved differently. Maybe there was a nuclear war and only Europe/a few people survived? But no - it has to be YOUR story - in a game you've designed to be as open as possible.

                        Screw that. We know from experience in history that humanity almost went down much darker paths - and why can't that be an option? You don't have to add it to the base game - SOMEONE HAS MADE IT INTO A MOD FOR YOU!

                        There is no excuse whatsoever to do this and it's painfully overly protective of the community to the point that it's more offensive in a patronizing sense than it ever would be as a 'discriminatory' mod.

                        It's a mod hidden away that'll get maybe a 100 downloads tops over the course of Stellaris' lifetime and it'll hurt no one.

                        I am seriously pissed off at Paradox for this. I want to hear their actual excuse. Did someone really threaten legal action? Did they suddenly change their attitude and decide that they want to take away modding and make it a single player campaign story? I bet fucking not.

                        It's a mod Paradox - not even an offensive one. Get over it.

                        [–]Daedelous2k 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        I agree.

                        [–]graveedrool 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        I hope Paradox tweet about this - I know they're active on the community and I hope they get some backlash and respond to it.

                        Because in the end, yes it's their game - but the mods AREN'T their game. If they're not ruining games or hacking/giving unfair advantages in multiplayer why does it matter?

                        [–]Eurehetemec -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        If they're in Steam Workshop, they're publicly and officially associated with their game.

                        Many mods for many games are disallowed from the Workshop. Funny how people only care now.

                        [–]smurf-vett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Cause how else you gonna do the Battlestar Space Nazi empire?

                        [–]ender1200 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        A second mod, entitled 'Separate Human Phenotypes', is also being looked into by Paradox. This mod splits the human race into four separate in-game species, meaning that players can create a custom empire using people of just a single ethnicity.

                        At least they are being consistent.

                        I'm not sure I like the idea of developers being responsible for the content of mods created by the community, but I know that steam workshop is already disallowing nudity and sexual content.

                        Usually these kinds of mods just end up in places like Mod DB and Mod Nexus.

                        [–]WorldEmperor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I kind of wanted to make an American/Confederate empire that was xenophobic/militant etc. etc. In this fantasy universe, it would have been like the racist/far-right people that were against the United Nations of Earth. I wasn't going to necessarily play as them, I just thought it would be an interesting addition to the galaxy. Having an all white race separate from the rest of humans would have added a little flavor.

                        I'm not too passionate about this issue, but this is just an example of just using this mod in a nondiscriminatory, storytelling kind of way

                        [–]NecRoSeaN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think in order for a mod like this to prevail it has to be a mod that can cancel out all sorts of race colors. Want to play as an all black race, uncheck whites, asians, and mixed races.

                        Want to play as Asians, uncheck every other races except Asians. To assume an all white mod would go well, especially by a Swedish company was a really dumb move.

                        [–]taggedjc 8ポイント9ポイント  (28子コメント)

                        Next, they'll pull the mods that make all your mushroom-people red...

                        Maybe it wouldn't be considered discriminatory if it was mod that separated out all of the portraits, instead of just singling out the caucasians?

                        I am kind of torn on this too. If the mod was just what it said on the tin - and wasn't advertised in a racist way - then why automatically consider it racist?

                        Did the mod change the default humans, or simply add another human portrait type? If the former, I could see it as stepping on some toes, but the latter is just adding a new alien that happens to look like europeans, and what's racist about that? :P

                        [–]Deceptichum 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Maybe it wouldn't be considered discriminatory if it was mod that separated out all of the portraits, instead of just singling out the caucasians?

                        I do see some questionable mods if Paradox is serious about this stance.

                        We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality," a Paradox spokesperson told Eurogamer. "We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices:

                        As from what I can see these modders have not included all alternatives.

                        [–]taggedjc 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        The Matriarchy Mod is at least technically a separate species.

                        But I still personally think even if the mods might appeal to a racist or sexist player, if the mod itself is not specifically racist or sexist, it really shouldn't be removed. For example, an empire of all-women is a common fantasy trope (Amazons) and likewise, Space Nazis are a common fantasy trope (although good luck trying to put the word "Nazis" in without it immediately being called discriminatory...). You can't even make your empire defeat the Space Nazis, if you can't make Space Nazis to defeat in the first place...

                        I dunno. I don't want to encourage hatred of any sort, but I'm not sure being heavy-handed by removing mods is the way to do it. Being inclusive in regards to race in the default Humans was a big step as it is. And people always want more options.

                        [–]Deceptichum -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        although good luck trying to put the word "Nazis" in without it immediately being called discriminatory...).

                        Easy, a Grammar Nazi mod.

                        Yeah I think it's currently pretty benign and this is a game where you can purge entire species at the end of the day.

                        [–]JMocks 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        If the mod was just what it said on the tin - and wasn't advertised in a racist way - then why automatically consider it racist?

                        That's just the world we live in.

                        [–]taggedjc 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'm pleased they have the variety of ethnicities as the default. It is a bright outlook for our potential future.

                        But I do think it could be fun to play as Space Japanese. It is a bit immersion-breaking to have your space Emperor die and be replaced by some non-asian person, when it is supposed to be a dynasty of Japanese descent.. so removing a mod that could enable some of these interesting stories is a bit disappointing.

                        [–]kailen_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (18子コメント)

                        If they take this one down but leave the other(that lets you pick) I would be okay with it. The thing with this is that it flat out removes the everything but whites, that really does kind of make it racist no matter how you look at it.

                        [–]n3roman 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        If you're trying to role play The Fourth Reich, non Aryans just won't do.

                        [–]renadi 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        No, no it does not, how is installing an optional mod that lets you customize your gameplay racist?

                        Wanting to play as a white race only does not make YOU racist.

                        Might make your race racist, or maybe not, you don't know.

                        [–]kailen_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I see your point, honestly I don't really believe in removing any mods racist or not. I was more saying i really hope they leave the other one up as it offers choice were as this one and the other races specifics ones I can kind of understand removing. You have to remember they are also from Sweden, so I think that stuff is even more of a touchy subject than here.

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                          [–]ac-80 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          "discriminatory"

                          "We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality,"

                          we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices.

                          • its a mod
                          • No character in the game has feels
                          • Why does it matter
                          • Black/Asian/female only mods would stay up (i bet)
                          • Not everyone is a left winger
                          • Its a game, no one is being discriminated against

                          This is so unbelievably petty, but then again Paradox is situated in the left wing extremist capitol of the world. If I want to RP as a Roman Patriarchal society, why must Paradox stop me? What If I want to play as a Black Female matriarchal empire, will paradox have a problem with that?

                          Ether remove all specific human identity only mods or none of them.

                          Paradox devs like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEiguYmgxA

                          [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Roman Patriarchal society, why must Paradox stop me?

                          Because feelings.

                          What If I want to play as a Black Female matriarchal empire, will paradox have a problem with that?

                          Of course not.

                          [–]iroks 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This
                          All or nothing.

                          [–]UnlimitedLimitedFirst Speaker 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          I knew reading the comments was a mistake...

                          EDIT: I remember in Civilization: Beyond Earth the different human leaders had different race/culture, am I racist if I simply wanted to roleplay as the civ that won in Stellaris?

                          [–]esseo2 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Like wow, this is the shit community I've been playing with all this time? Feels pretty bad, man.

                          Edit: I was expecting downvotes so maybe people misunderstand me: a lot of you are racist, white supremacist fucks.

                          [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Upvote for the edit.

                          [–]ModerateConspiracy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Ugh. I hope it's only reddit post-thedonald, but a quick look at the paradoxplaza forums would probably prove otherwise. Maybe for my sanity I'll try to convince myself it's just a vocal minority.

                          [–]sepalg 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          yeah Paradox games have always had an assortment of types like these.

                          normally they're busy arguing with each other over where paradox put the borders of some irrelevant county in the ass end of eastern europe though.

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                            [–]mego-pie 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Think about this from paradox's position. They might very well just be covering their butts. Say some nutter decides to get on them for "allowing " racism in their mod community. They might just be trying to avoid negative PR and set a precedent that they won't allow mods in the community that could cause a PR stink..

                            [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Or they could be like the Devs of The Witcher and stand up against the people making these claims and get positive PR for not backing down.

                            Of course they won't do that because they're Swedes though.

                            [–]YOUGOTMOxY 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Let's not kid ourselves here. If they're Swedes they probably thought eliminating this mod was doing the right thing, not a paranoid religious reaction to a harmlessly titled and wholly harmless mod.

                            Good luck playing Space Celts now kids

                            Race politics is like stepping around broken glass thanks to political correctness. The only way to deal with sharp edges is to wear steel boots and pound that glass until it turns in to sand

                            [–]Eurehetemec 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Where's all this anti-Swede bigotry coming from? As a Brit I've never seen it before.

                            [–]xSPYXEx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I don't agree with the mod, but it's more trouble than it's worth to take it down and make a deal out of it.

                            I also find it kinda ironic that in a fame where the common meta is to enslave and systematically eradicate entire systems full of sentient life and everything's cool, but being one certain skin color makes you a nazi.

                            [–]Arakkoa_Avian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            While I was honestly a bit suspicious of people installing that mod, I recognize the roleplay need for one. One of the games I started (and didn't continue much - yet) was a galaxy filled with humans of various types, all embodying various tropes. And I needed my Space Japan to have all people look Asian, right next door to Space Africa with all blacks. I mean, I wouldn't publish anything from that game anywhere, it was super offensive, but I had fun mocking all the stereotypes in all directions.

                            [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            They removed it because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis. None of the other single-race mods have language that advances an agenda.

                            [–]WumperD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Burying your head in the sand and acting like this kind of stuff doesn't exist isn't going to solve anything. I'm not even sure the intention was racist, might have been for roleplay purposes.

                            [–]arcose1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Wow. Great. Paradox is going to play nanny with our mods now.

                            Also... how fucked in the head do you have to be to be offended by an all-white human pops mod, in a game where planetfuls of sapient beings are callously exterminated on a regular basis?

                            [–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Fucking ridiculous. What if this was a mod that made all humans asian ? Or, dare I say, black ? This is a third party mod that would have gotten downed in the thousand useless mods there are, but they just made it the most famous for a couple of days. WTF Paradox.

                            [–]Eurehetemec 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Third party mod in the first party, official, game-associated mod store, dude.

                            So Beth has to allow porn mods for FO4 in Steam, right?

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                            [–]mrdeadsniper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Couldn't you make the argument any ethnicity could be exclusive. England. Japan. Specific country sent out an experimental colony ship. Started an alternate human development.

                            [–]Kaje85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Could we get a no man-bun mod instead?

                            [–]Derffert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            What if I want to recreate the HRE in space? What if I don't want my German Kaiser to be a black woman with a Chinese name? What about potential LOTGH mods? Will it be discriminatory for the Galactic Empire to be made up of Germanic males? This leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, if Paradox doesn't admit they made a mistake I'll seriously start to reconsider my support for the company.

                            [–]mypersonnalreader -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Glad Paradox took the high road there

                            [–]PotatoKing21 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Wtf Paradox. How is this mod even racist? If anything is offensive, it's slavery or genocide. But nobody needs to make a mod for that SINCE IT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME.

                            [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The mod is racist because the modder added the phrase "No multiculturalism here!" to the mod description, not only because the mod features white people. Paradox were fine with it until the modder added that phrase, which is the real-life rallying call of neo-nazis.

                            [–]NewDayNewGame 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            discriminatory practices

                            Jesus Christ, how many are even going to play this? Fuck Paradox.

                            Someone needs to make a mod that removes all white men and see what happens.

                            [–]TambienPrime Minister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Applause for the game's diversity and the daring mod. Race is entirely a double standard.

                            [–]Eurehetemec -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Why do people think a private company should not be allowed to choose which mods are publicly associated with its games on Steam Workshop?

                            Every other major developer who uses Workshop polices it to some degree. Bethesda are quite strict. Why should they be forced to allow these mods?

                            EDIT - If you downvote, answer the question, please. Doing otherwise is pure cowardice.

                            [–]ender1200 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think that it have to do with the fact that people are used to mod being hosted on third party sites and forget that the workshop is curated by the developers.

                            Honestly, now that I think about it I'm not really sure what's the news here. Someone made a mod with racist undertones and posted it to the workshop, paradox removed it because it can be seen as a tacit approvement on their side if they don't. this shit on happens daily if not hourly basis.

                            [–]AluminumSoldier 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            While I recognize that Stellaris is Paradox's game and that they may ultimately do as they like with it, I am against "fun policing". What if I wanted to make a race of space vikings? Or space samurai? Or space Zulu? Is a single ethnicity mod truly discriminatory in such a setting? I don't believe so. Taking down mods such as these will limit player's capacity for meaningful roleplay.

                            My next qualm is with consistency of enforcement. Will some mods be kept and others removed? Where is the line of discrimination? Why was the white race only mod removed and the Asian race only mod retained? If Paradox adopts such a politicized policy, I would hope it would be implemented across the board, neither favoring nor targeting no one. But such a policy, I believe, is an uphill battle. These mods will be made one way or another, and they will be disseminated as well. In attempting to censor them, I beleive Paradox is picking a losing battle that, while it has a noble motive, will ultimately have negative effects on player choice and freedom, while accomplishing nothing but alienating affected customers.

                            [–]mipe81 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well, after all realism isn't Paradox's strong suit.

                            [–]chosen-mimes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Why aren't there any fat human portraits!? Does paradox hate people with more weight?/s

                            [–]Foodstamp001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            r/blackpixelsmatter

                            [–]CrotchLordMiami2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I don't think it's surprising that a developer would prefer their game not be showcased in such a fashion on the official steam mod workshop. Regardless of your feelings, it looks bad, it's bad for business and PR

                            If you really just have to have this mod then host it yourself, they're not going to stop you

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                            [–]EmperorPeriwinkle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This gonna be good.

                            Also ban all other single race mods to build salt pressure.

                            [–]whyheyguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Darn it! Now how am I going to do my "Nazis in Space" campaign?

                            [/sarcasm]

                            [–]iroks -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Where is my empire from jetsons !?
                            We can purge entire RACE just because we don't like their portrait.
                            We can enslave entire RACE just because we have nice bonuses to slave production.
                            We can systematically purge in our space death camp to make galaxy racially pure.
                            We can make eugenic program to have better leaders.
                            We can just invade and kill all prespace civilizations.
                            But no to only white mod ?! Come on ! If this was mod all women/black/chines/indian it would be ok ? My country was not a colonial empire so i'm offended by this !

                            Let the dawnvote begin

                            [–]Rulare 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            There's even a "Purge ALL OF THIS society" or "Enslave ALL OF THIS society." BUTTON. You push it and it starts genociding everyone of a particular social group hassle-free.

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