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[–]mightygaz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

will they be removing the mod that makes everyone asian?

this is a bit ridiculous.

[–]TheNightHaunter 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Funny enough I looked for a mod to make everyonr Chinese so I could recreate the Chinese empire complete with the 8 banners so I actually have to disagree with there decision since the third rech flag mods are still up

[–]oOGeneral_RyanOoEmperor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Swastikas are fine but not all white pops

[–]Boxwork 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

That sucks, back to enslaving the blacks I guess.

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now I have to waste all that time purging pops. This blows.

[–]oOGeneral_RyanOoEmperor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

me irl

[–]Natirs 42ポイント43ポイント  (45子コメント)

Yet this game allows your race to have slavery and be a xenophobe. But a mod that makes your entire population one race goes too far? LOL. If this isn't the sign of gaming companies trying to push agendas then I don't know what is. If they are going to go that far, I'd expect them to remove the other mods that allow for one race as well. Let's see if they do that. (We know they won't).

[–]spankymuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget that you can purge whole groups of people. Genocide and slavery are ok. You can conquer the galaxy as space Nazis and purge every alien but your own. Totally cool because it's not "race" but "specie"? But why is it not race? Why not make the parallel comparison and say that Paradox is encouraging racism with a sci fi analogy? If they want to play the political correctness game, then let's go all the way.

[–]TambienPrime Minister 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know they won't. Only whiteness is racist in the modern world.

[–]Clumpy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The difference being whether xenophobia is part of the world/story and whether it's being encouraged and condoned in real life by a mod. Surely you'd recognize the difference between watching Django Unchained and watching a "modded" version with extra slur-ridden commentary? That has an entirely different context.

tl;dr Taking part in a story with racism in it is not the same thing as the player demanding that all characters be white.

[–]Natirs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference being whether xenophobia is part of the world/story and whether it's being encouraged and condoned in real life by a mod.

What do you mean part of their world/story and whether it is being encouraged or condoned by a mod? So, if you pick being a xenophobic race, it only applies to your ancient past but not now because your human race has clearly embraced multiculturalism and diversity but still hates all other alien races? I'm confused. If you select that trait, you are that trait. Again, this discussion is only about humans and not other alien races as the mod in question is for humans. I just found it really ironic that they allow you to be xenophobic but when you want a mod that actually makes your human race legitimately xenophobic, it's racist. If they are going to make that a trait in their game but when someone wants to make a mod that actually fits the trait, that's where it crosses the line?

I'm still waiting to see if they are going to remove all of the "One Race" mods for humans or if it's just going to stop at the "white/Caucasian only" mods.

[–]mask2697 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, they let us play ckii so that we can expel all Jews and systematically capture and castrate anyone not Greek to further Greek blood lines. From that anything else is kind of trivial.

[–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking ridiculous. What if this was a mod that made all humans asian ? Or, dare I say, black ? This is a third party mod that would have gotten downed in the thousand useless mods there are, but they just made it the most famous for a couple of days. WTF Paradox.

[–]Thunderkleize[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (38子コメント)

I'm not sure I agree with this.

For people who want to roleplay, you can imagine a universe where some really shitty people do some really shitty things and now they are the only humans left in the universe.

EDIT: I think removing these sorts of options only hurts in the long run.

[–]Mirria_ 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, racism bad, but speceism is ok?

If someone wants to play the 4th Reich or something, it's their choice really. I don't really "like" it, but I don't feel it's a good idea to go politically correct either.

[–]ArcherMi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is that the ability to do so is already in the game. There's nothing to stop you from enslaving or purging a human pop if it grows as non-white.

At least with the mod you can make some excuse for why there are only white people (for example by saying these humans don't even come from earth or aren't technically human at all) but the words "purge" and "enslave" leave very little to interpretation.

[–]DrBoomkin 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

How could anyone possibly agree with this? WTF Paradox???

I really cant wrap my head around how anyone with a brain could possibly think there is anything offensive with that mod, and I'm not even from a European or American country...

My guess is that this has something to do with the fact that Paradox are a Swedish company, and Sweden is notoriously "politically correct"...

This really worries me. Imagine a mod where you play as "Space Nazis", basically an alternate history mod where the Nazis won WW2 and go into space. The mod would basically change all clothing of characters into Nazi officer uniforms, the flag into a swastika, would force you into being fanatic militarist and fanatic xenophobe (and maybe some unique traits), and would add some interesting events. Now it becomes obvious that this kind of mod would not be allowed by Paradox, which is a shame since it could have been an interesting mod.

(and before someone accuses me of being a Nazi, I'm an Israeli Jew who had family members who were murdered in the holocaust)

[–]mogyesz09 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too bad the same company is falsifying history in Eu4 with the absurd cultural borders, which enforces the post WW1 ideology of the winner side.

[–]StickittomeToxic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, the biggest vic2 mod got removed too and it hasn't really hurt anything. I think they're just trying to avoid stepping on any toes.

You can download the mod here, btw.

[–]spankymuffin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. And this is a game where you can purge whole populations of people. Where an actual ethos is devoted to the principle that all other aliens are inferior/dangerous. But they're drawing the line here? Ridiculous.

I'm just opposed to content-based limits and censorship in general. Unless the content is illegal, anything should be allowed. But it's a European company, so I'm sure their thoughts on expression are a bit different. At the end of the day, it's their business decision and they can make it. It's just disappointing. I feel like they should encourage modding. Open up the forum to all ideas. Let the users decide what they like and dislike. Have some respect for your customers. Don't assume that just because you find something discriminatory it means you have to spare everyone from it. You're a company with a product, not our moral guide. A good thing, too, what with all the incest, murder, patricide, genocide, minors getting pregnant, etc. ,etc. in some of their games...

Edit: Oh, and slavery. Can't believe I forgot that one. Hell, they almost encourage it in Stellaris. I've enslaves just about everyone in my game and it has helped me immensely.

[–]REMSheep 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The combo of European and White is odd as they are two different concepts. As a black American my experience of the conflation of the two is usually in racist contexts. I don't know how I feel but I feel its worth mentioning. I shall now clench my cheeks for the uncomfortable responses.

Edit: Though honestly white supremacists are gonna keep doing their thing regardless. The more time they spend jerking off to cuckold porn and playing grand strategy games, the less time they have for hate crimes.

[–]Socrathustra 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

cuckold porn

That's remarkably specific.

[–]AimoLohkare 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are free to enslave and purge all black and Asian pops in your empire but don't you dare make a mod that removes them!

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. They're just adding more challenges to the game.

[–]peffi23 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Couldn't you technically enslave or genocide humans of different nationalities/colour on your planets in Stellaris? It's already in the game mechanics...

[–]NotScrollsApparentlyOligarch 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah but it might become awkward when your black pop grows up and becomes white, while still being enslaved.

[–]peffi23 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mixed race children of white slave owners were often freed of slavery, so the mechanics are working as intended :)

[–]Prussians_out_of_BY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just pretend theyre jews.
Or Mexicans.

[–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a village deep in the nigerian forest, an english Explorer was staying with the native population to study their culture.
One morning, he got pulled out of his hut by an angry mod and brought to the chief. His wife had just given birth, and the baby was pale as an autumn cloud with white hair and clear eyes.
The explorer denied any implication with the woman and tried explaining how genetics work, to no avail.
Then he brought the chief near a pasture to demonstrate how nature can be tricky sometimes. He pointed at a black sheep and explained the chief that although he had white parents, genetics might get involved and give him unusual attributes.
The chief immediatly calmed down, cautiously looked around him and whispered in his ears: "all right english man, I'll forget your incident with my wife if you cover me for the sheep".

[–]SirRagesAlot 25ポイント26ポイント  (34子コメント)

As a minority who has experienced what some may call racism in real life....

I don't really give a shit what other people mod into their game and find this move stupid and unnecessary.

[–]TheAquamanEmperor 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

As a minority who has experienced what some may call racism in real life....

Are you sure about that?

I'm busting chops today.

[–]I_am_a_fern[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Humm... Isn't assuming you can't be a minority if you have white hands kinda racist ?

[–]SirRagesAlot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, does owning a nvidia shield make me a member of the next Master Race?

I'll return the tablet promptly

Or my hands too pale for you in bright light?

I didn't know I could turn white with some strong fluorescent light! This fixes everryythinhgg /s

[–]racist_thowaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He could be Mexican, Native American, Asian, Arab, any mix of the above or even white mixed with one of these.

To look through his comment history and denounce what he's saying because he has whitish skin is EXTREMELY racist.

[–]Sefirot8 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

Their business is making a game, not weeding through mods that might be contrary to their values. They are essentially saying "we are unwilling to let people have certain experiences". Even if a mod comes out thats blatantly racist, thats steams decision, not Paradox. Its ironic anyway, for a game that has genocide included as a core mechanic.

"Hey, you wanna be a maniacal empire that purges xeno scum?? That sounds awesome... as long as you arent white only. You can ethnically cleanse that civilization, but make sure you include people of african and asian descent in your extermination squads. Mmmk thanks."

[–]in_rod_we_trust 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't you manually purge any humans who are coloured anyway in this game? I mean the game already has genocidal options. I guess it hits too close to home, and they don't want some media outlet on a slow day picking up a story that they are linked to these mods (sort of like the Reddit pedo pics subreddit ban).

[–]IronGremlin 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

You could at least pretend to understand that there might be a difference between purging the Xorbkaxxionss of kala-azar 8 and 'roleplaying' an empire of White's only.

One of those things hits just a little closer to home for some people.

And "what they are saying" is that they'd rather not have Paradox be silently endorsing this by keeping it up on a channel they moderate. I'm sorry you have to look elsewhere to get your galaxy full of Space Nazis.

[–]renadi 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doesn't one of their games let you literally play as hitler?

I disagree with them making this choice, it seems contrary to their goals.

[–]in_rod_we_trust 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not familiar with HoI series, but if you play as Germany, do they have you make decisions related to the Holocaust? Or is it strictly military? Because if it's the latter, I really see no problem. As long as he's just a leader with some stats, there's nothing wrong with it IMO.

[–]Clumpy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either way it wouldn't be a problem in a fictional setting. I'm taking a pounding in this thread but all I'm arguing is that making content with racism is different than making content for racists.

[–]____trash________ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's strictly military.

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, they should be focused more on releasing the full game before they focus on being Marxists.

[–]SmacktrickZ 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha! What is the world comming to!

People get offended by literally anything and take shit way too personally.

Would it be the same if he had made a mod for some of the other xenos to be completely white?

I would love for a modder to take the least human looking species and make a mod for them that makes them all "pale" in skin color and see if people think that's racism.

As cliche as it sounds, stellaris really opened my mind on the fact that there are much larger things out there than us tiny humans. Get over yourself people, stop seeing evil everywhere just because there are a few populations which divert in ethics.

[–]NewDayNewGame 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've had a feeling that Paradox is working in an atmosphere where nothing is wrong, and everyone should just get along. Nobody will challenge something they consider wrong or bad. And now this? Wow.

[–]Asiak 21ポイント22ポイント  (18子コメント)

I don't think I agree either, but I don't think I disagree that strongly.

It was named 'European Phenotype and Names Only (White Humans)' after all.

They could entirely be misinterpreting the mod maker's intent. And it is a slippery slope that they have (to my knowledge) never embarked on. The regulation of the mods that is.

But I'm sorry that title does also imply something.

To create a mod that changes the human look and name list is one thing. But then to label it exclusively with the word 'European' much less followed by the word 'only.' The title does kind of imply that this is the mod maker's definition of what 'European' is or should be.

[–]DrBoomkin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

That doesn't make sense. There is such a thing as a "European phenotype". It's not a racist term. The word "only" refers to the mod, since it makes humans "only" of the European phenotype.

[–]TheAquamanEmperor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Europe is not completely white. For example, according to Wikipedia, 10% of the French population is of North African descent.

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

That is what European is. We're white - there are no Black, Asian, or Aboriginal Europeans because it's not a civic term.

[–]sepalg -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

ahahahahah are you shitting me

at any given point over the past two centuries half of your degenerate peninsula has insisted the other half of it is Secret Black People, whether because the Hun is natively swarthy, because the Irishman was, uh, spanish-tainted somehow, because the Englishman is corrupted by Celtic blood, or because the Spanish were irrevocably tainted by the Moors. And that's all well before we start talking about southern europe or the Slavs.

[–]Clumpy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spoiler alert: People making these arguments have absolutely no idea of what "race" is or how the definition or "whiteness" has arbitrarily changed over time. The fact that the primary argument here seems to be "Well the game has racists so why can't its players be racists" proves that if anything.

[–]sepalg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, i know that, and he knows that, but occasionally it's more fun if you play along and pretend that's not the case

[–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What other people claim doesn't change what I believe, mate. I don't care if you think Spaniards are black or Celts are aliens from Pluto. They're still white and that doesn't alter my statement at all just because you or other people have different beliefs about it.

[–]Bloodweaver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but anyone can claim anything and say they believe it. It's just a statement without any fact. I could say I believe all Irish are Leprechauns and I don't care what other people claim.

[–]sepalg -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

never gets old the way NRx Statements of Scientific Fact retreat to "b-b-but it's just my opinion" the second someone who knows anything about anything challenges them.

[–]renadi -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

I guess the naming is problematic, but seriously, is that something that holds any strength, the naming could be misinterpreted as a racist message, but isn't in any way of its own a racist statement.

Also, it appears they have a bunch of other seemingly racist mods still up if the content was the problem.

I doubt they'll use this to limit anything other than the white version, which I wouldn't play anyway so I guess I'm not bothered, but if they stop us from being able to install a asian only or african only mod I'd be extremely disappointed.

It also seems like removing mods like this hurts the chances of similar mods being made for other races than human that just so happen to be able to affect humans, I love the potential to more customize our races. If they restrict arbitrary phenotype decisions like this I'm just very disappointed.

[–]TambienPrime Minister 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're ok with them removing the white only version you can't have a problem with them removing any African only or Asian only versions.

[–]renadi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really not OK with them removing anything, I just don't care about the white's only mod existing I guess. And if I knew it wouldn't affect me in the future I wouldn't object to it getting removed.

I just see it as a worrying sign.

I don't know how they'd justify removing this but not the others, but maybe it will work out.

[–]jkwahTomb -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Technically leaving up any single human race/ethnicity mods up opens up the door where players could spawn them as AI empire and then enslave/purge the pops.

[–]taggedjc 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, yes. The old "enslaving or purging the entire human race is okay as long as you do all the races at the same time".

What's stopping you from, in the base game, purging or enslaving only the black people Pop icons, while leaving the caucasians free (and alive)? While you are at it, resettle all the asian-portrait people to one planet and genetically engineer them to be Intelligent Natural Engineers and put them to work in your Engineering Labs developing robotics.

The base game comes with plenty of opportunities for racists to get their kicks. The mods seem like they open up some interesting storytelling more than they encourage racism, as far as I am concerned..

[–]OccasionallyClueless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, having the single race mods can be interesting for the roleplay experience, but I doubt it will impact anyone that greatly aside from the most serious roleplayers.

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    [–]Rocksbury 17ポイント18ポイント  (44子コメント)

    Lets make a mod that makes everyone people of color. I will put money on it staying up.

    [–]m0l0ch 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh so you're one of those people who think white people cant be subject to racism.

    Someone already did, lets see what happens with these:

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    [–]SmacktrickZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I sorta feel sorry for the person that created these mods. He is being dragged into something he probably never intended to be part of.

    Sorry Mr. Toad :(

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    [–]xSPYXEx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't agree with the mod, but it's more trouble than it's worth to take it down and make a deal out of it.

    I also find it kinda ironic that in a fame where the common meta is to enslave and systematically eradicate entire systems full of sentient life and everything's cool, but being one certain skin color makes you a nazi.

    [–]smurf-vett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Cause how else you gonna do the Battlestar Space Nazi empire?

    [–]iroks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where is my empire from jetsons !?
    We can purge entire RACE just because we don't like their portrait.
    We can enslave entire RACE just because we have nice bonuses to slave production.
    We can systematically purge in our space death camp to make galaxy racially pure.
    We can make eugenic program to have better leaders.
    We can just invade and kill all prespace civilizations.
    But no to only white mod ?! Come on ! If this was mod all women/black/chines/indian it would be ok ? My country was not a colonial empire so i'm offended by this !

    Let the dawnvote begin

    [–]taggedjc 7ポイント8ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Next, they'll pull the mods that make all your mushroom-people red...

    Maybe it wouldn't be considered discriminatory if it was mod that separated out all of the portraits, instead of just singling out the caucasians?

    I am kind of torn on this too. If the mod was just what it said on the tin - and wasn't advertised in a racist way - then why automatically consider it racist?

    Did the mod change the default humans, or simply add another human portrait type? If the former, I could see it as stepping on some toes, but the latter is just adding a new alien that happens to look like europeans, and what's racist about that? :P

    [–]Deceptichum 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Maybe it wouldn't be considered discriminatory if it was mod that separated out all of the portraits, instead of just singling out the caucasians?

    I do see some questionable mods if Paradox is serious about this stance.

    We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality," a Paradox spokesperson told Eurogamer. "We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices:

    As from what I can see these modders have not included all alternatives.

    [–]taggedjc 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The Matriarchy Mod is at least technically a separate species.

    But I still personally think even if the mods might appeal to a racist or sexist player, if the mod itself is not specifically racist or sexist, it really shouldn't be removed. For example, an empire of all-women is a common fantasy trope (Amazons) and likewise, Space Nazis are a common fantasy trope (although good luck trying to put the word "Nazis" in without it immediately being called discriminatory...). You can't even make your empire defeat the Space Nazis, if you can't make Space Nazis to defeat in the first place...

    I dunno. I don't want to encourage hatred of any sort, but I'm not sure being heavy-handed by removing mods is the way to do it. Being inclusive in regards to race in the default Humans was a big step as it is. And people always want more options.

    [–]Deceptichum -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    although good luck trying to put the word "Nazis" in without it immediately being called discriminatory...).

    Easy, a Grammar Nazi mod.

    Yeah I think it's currently pretty benign and this is a game where you can purge entire species at the end of the day.

    [–]taggedjc 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Discriminatory! Discriminatory against grammerfluids and interrobangers!

    Edit: Holy what, downvotes on this, an obvious joke?!

    [–]Deceptichum 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh please, no one cares about those fluidbangers. They're not real humans like us.

    [–]taggedjc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Fluidbangers" isn't even a real word! ;P

    [–]JMocks 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If the mod was just what it said on the tin - and wasn't advertised in a racist way - then why automatically consider it racist?

    That's just the world we live in.

    [–]taggedjc 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm pleased they have the variety of ethnicities as the default. It is a bright outlook for our potential future.

    But I do think it could be fun to play as Space Japanese. It is a bit immersion-breaking to have your space Emperor die and be replaced by some non-asian person, when it is supposed to be a dynasty of Japanese descent.. so removing a mod that could enable some of these interesting stories is a bit disappointing.

    [–]kailen_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    If they take this one down but leave the other(that lets you pick) I would be okay with it. The thing with this is that it flat out removes the everything but whites, that really does kind of make it racist no matter how you look at it.

    [–]n3roman 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

    If you're trying to role play The Fourth Reich, non Aryans just won't do.

    [–]renadi 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, no it does not, how is installing an optional mod that lets you customize your gameplay racist?

    Wanting to play as a white race only does not make YOU racist.

    Might make your race racist, or maybe not, you don't know.

    [–]kailen_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I see your point, honestly I don't really believe in removing any mods racist or not. I was more saying i really hope they leave the other one up as it offers choice were as this one and the other races specifics ones I can kind of understand removing. You have to remember they are also from Sweden, so I think that stuff is even more of a touchy subject than here.

    [–]taggedjc -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah, if it edits their human portrait options, it does seem a little racist. If it just added a "caucasian-only" portrait, so you could have one ethnically diverse empire and another not-diverse empire, that would be interesting!

    [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No one is forced to use this mod. It shouldn't bother you.

    [–]ac-80 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "discriminatory"

    "We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality,"

    we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices.

    • its a mod
    • No character in the game has feels
    • Why does it matter
    • Black/Asian/female only mods would stay up (i bet)
    • Not everyone is a left winger
    • Its a game, no one is being discriminated against

    This is so unbelievably petty, but then again Paradox is situated in the left wing extremist capitol of the world. If I want to RP as a Roman Patriarchal society, why must Paradox stop me? What If I want to play as a Black Female matriarchal empire, will paradox have a problem with that?

    Ether remove all specific human identity only mods or none of them.

    Paradox devs like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEiguYmgxA

    [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Roman Patriarchal society, why must Paradox stop me?

    Because feelings.

    What If I want to play as a Black Female matriarchal empire, will paradox have a problem with that?

    Of course not.

    [–]iroks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This
    All or nothing.

    [–]UnlimitedLimitedFirst Speaker 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I knew reading the comments was a mistake...

    EDIT: I remember in Civilization: Beyond Earth the different human leaders had different race/culture, am I racist if I roleplay as the civ that won in stellaris?

    [–]esseo2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Like wow, this is the shit community I've been playing with all this time? Feels pretty bad, man.

    [–]mego-pie 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Think about this from paradox's position. They might very well just be covering their butts. Say some nutter decides to get on them for "allowing " racism in their mod community. They might just be trying to avoid negative PR and set a precedent that they won't allow mods in the community that could cause a PR stink..

    [–]HyperboreanNRxEmperor 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Or they could be like the Devs of The Witcher and stand up against the people making these claims and get positive PR for not backing down.

    Of course they won't do that because they're Swedes though.

    [–]YOUGOTMOxY 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's not kid ourselves here. If they're Swedes they probably thought eliminating this mod was doing the right thing, not a paranoid religious reaction to a harmlessly titled and wholly harmless mod.

    Good luck playing Space Celts now kids

    Race politics is like stepping around broken glass thanks to political correctness. The only way to deal with sharp edges is to wear steel boots and pound that glass until it turns in to sand

    [–]mypersonnalreader -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Glad Paradox took the high road there

    [–]elakastekatt -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Exactly. Also, fuck OP for putting discriminatory in scare quotes.

    Edit: Ohh, it was Eurogamer that did it. Fuck them then.

    [–]mypersonnalreader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it was Eurogamer that did it

    It's what we call journalistic "objectivity". ;)

    [–]Arakkoa_Avian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    While I was honestly a bit suspicious of people installing that mod, I recognize the roleplay need for one. One of the games I started (and didn't continue much - yet) was a galaxy filled with humans of various types, all embodying various tropes. And I needed my Space Japan to have all people look Asian, right next door to Space Africa with all blacks. I mean, I wouldn't publish anything from that game anywhere, it was super offensive, but I had fun mocking all the stereotypes in all directions.

    [–]mipe81 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, after all realism isn't Paradox's strong suit.

    [–]hksara47 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you know who else banned stuff they didnt like? nazis

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    [–]ender1200 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A second mod, entitled 'Separate Human Phenotypes', is also being looked into by Paradox. This mod splits the human race into four separate in-game species, meaning that players can create a custom empire using people of just a single ethnicity.

    At least they are being consistent.

    I'm not sure I like the idea of developers being responsible for the content of mods created by the community, but I know that steam workshop is already disallowing nudity and sexual content.

    Usually these kinds of mods just end up in places like Mod DB and Mod Nexus.

    [–]Paradoxal_BearCommunity Manager 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I haven't read all the comments here, but I want to make a comment on this nonetheless. There are several mods that will allow you to role-play in most of the different ways I've seen you suggest in here. This particular mod had several disturbing elements in it's public description which we do not want to have clearly displayed on our product page however.

    You are right of course. Our job is to make computer games, not push political agendas. This is why we removed some political proclamations being made in the description field on our workshop page. Eurogamer left out several details on what it actually was that we removed.

    [–]eriknmar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I purchased Stellaris yesterday, and was going to search for a mod just like this today. So this was a good coincidence. I'll grab the mod from http://www.moddb.com.

    [–]Mr_Kringerpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How is it "discriminatory"? Its a mod.

    Their default humans are a joke. They believe that in 200 years humans will get over 1000's of years of bigotry and religious differences and become a monolithic people without political strife?

    Only in a collectivist global government, purging all those who have "Wrong ethics".

    [–]CrotchLordMiami2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think it's surprising that a developer would prefer their game not be showcased in such a fashion on the official steam mod workshop. Regardless of your feelings, it looks bad, it's bad for business and PR

    If you really just have to have this mod then host it yourself, they're not going to stop you

    [–]PotatoKing21 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wtf Paradox. How is this mod even racist? If anything is offensive, it's slavery or genocide. But nobody needs to make a mod for that SINCE IT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME.

    [–]TambienPrime Minister -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As long as they remove all other one race mods I'm fine with this.

    [–]Trollimperator -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    wtf is wrong with those modders? how shall deside who to enslave and who not /eviljokedontjugdeme

    [–]WumperD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Burying your head in the sand and acting like this kind of stuff doesn't exist isn't going to solve anything. I'm not even sure the intention was racist, might have been for roleplay purposes.

    [–]NewDayNewGame -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    discriminatory practices

    Jesus Christ, how many are even going to play this? Fuck Paradox.

    Someone needs to make a mod that removes all white men and see what happens.

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