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Sub-thread here.

TL;DR -- I post a review paper detailing evidence that children are not completely gullible, which includes a one-paragraph reference to Margaret Mead's ethnographic work done with the Manus in PNG. This then drags the sub-thread into rehashing the Mead-Freeman debate. As for explanations, see my responses in the thread. The other person cites a Wikipedia article and the 1988 documentary which includes the confession of the "hoaxing." I quote from Shankman's history extensively to show how this idea has been rejected. Even Mead's other critics do not buy into the hoax hypothesis.

I still haven't learned my lesson -- just never refer to, quote, or cite Mead outside of an anthropology paper. Even if it has nothing to do with Samoa. You'll just get dragged into flogging this dead horse into a bloody pulp.

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[–]TiakoCultural capitalist 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I have done a bit of reading from both and my opinion is that both Freedman and Mead were being honest in conveying what they were told, but Mead had significantly better access because of age, time, religion and gender.

Also you have an absurd amount of patience. I would have peaced out after the third reply.

[–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Freeman and Mead both had good access, it's just that they were different kinds. Freeman spent more time with chiefs and higher-ups. Not sure what you mean by religion, though. Mead was known as an ardent Episcopalian.

[–]TiakoCultural capitalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

By religion I meant that Samoa had been more thoroughly brought into the Christian mainstream in in 1980 than 1930. A young Samoan in 1930 might be willing to admit things that an old Samoan in 1980 would not regarding sexuality. Likewise, a young woman would be willing to admit things to another woman (Mead) and not to a man (Freedman). This is what I mean by better access--I think for the sort of questions being asked, Mead had better access to information.

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