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[–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

[–]MDFification 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

Around this time, the term 'social justice warrior' was coined

This is nitpicky, but the term predated GG by several years, and had been steadily rising in prominence before GG actually hit. The use of SJW in GG shows where the movement was drawing its earliest and most vocal members - /pol/, tumblr's right wing community and reddit.

[–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

meh, not really. It wasn't coined by the movement, it was popularized by the movement.

[–]MDFification 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm ashamed to say that I was pretty involved with the alt-right movement some years ago, and can confirm it had been popularized among gaming/chan culture for a long while when GG hit. It was visible in those communities increasingly from 2013 on.

That said, this is nitpicky, but it is useful to counter the 'ethics in journalism' argument. The people who were using the term before it became a mainstay of GG were already openly bigoted, and GG helped normalize that stance.

[–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That said, this is nitpicky, but it is useful to counter the 'ethics in journalism' argument

It is kind of clever to use the whole "ethics in gaming journalism" slogan -- I mean who's going to come out and say they're pro-unethical gaming journalism?

[–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't blame you. It was and still is extremely popular on the internet. Many people fall for the propaganda.

[–]individualist_ant 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The earliest usage of "Social Justice Warrior" is a 1995 novel by Tim Dugdale.

In December 2009 it was used positively to describe Alice McGrath in her obituary, http://www.vccf.org/media/e-news/social_justice/12-2009.shtml

The very first urbandictionary entry for "sjw" is April, 2011 and is defined as positive: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW&defid=5758297

The second urbandictionary entry for "sjw" is July, 2011 where it's defined as a pejorative: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW&defid=5987912

/pol/, hate reddits, and other hate sites aren't the best at archiving, so it's my guess they started using the term in 2011.

In early '14 hate groups with an older userbase began using the term as a pejorative: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1034644/

Gamergate began in late 2014, when the term was well established by hate groups.

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    [–]cadrpear 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In response, the misogynists behind the harassment campaign created 8chan.

    8chan existed beforehand; it'd be more accurate to say that they moved to 8chan.

    [–]blahblahwordvomit 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're right! One of it's most noteworthy uses previous/alongside gamergate based harassment campaigns was the distribution of images of children in provocative positions.

    http://www.dailydot.com/politics/8chan-pedophiles-child-porn-gamergate/

    On 8chan’s pedophile forums, users insult and dismiss most anyone who might object to the content they’re sharing, calling them “moralfags.”

    Moralfags, the thinking goes, are not worth listening to because the self-described pedophiles, hebephiles, and ephebophiles (each word specifies the age of children that an adult is sexually attracted to) who populate these forums have heard “moralfag arguments” a million times already. No amount of indignant Internet posting, they reason, changes the fact that they’re attracted to children, or that they want to look at sexualized images of them. So ignoring or berating the inevitable crusaders is the only retort they have.

    Looks like they didn't have to try hard to fit in

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk. 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You targeted gamers.

    Gamers.

    No but for real though. They claim "le SJW menace" is super easily offended, when a woman having sex who happens to be a writer spawned an enormous harassment effort.

    I wonder what the overlap between /r/the_donald and KiA is - I'm sure they wouldn't be too happy about this: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/280812064539283457

    [–]VoteRonaldRayGunSpecialises in Salt Law 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I found a Venn diagram.

    [–]VorpalEskimo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Red is too close to pink and therefore misandry. Please change to blue.

    [–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    #MasculinitySoFragile

    Edit: Gators downvoting my comment here? #MasculinitySoFragile

    [–]PhyrexianDildo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But because modern feminists run under the generic umbrella of "feminism" (something that most people would say they support. You're not a woman-hating bigot, are you?), they go unchecked. They go mostly without criticism because anyone who criticizes them or points out their flaws is labeled a misogynist and silenced. [+53]

    Or maybe because the rhetoric of your "criticism" was bold-faced misogyny to begin with? Calling someone a "whore who should be anally-raped and pissed on" is as much a critique of feminism as calling someone a "faggot" is a critical analysis of queer politics.

    [–]TotesMessenger 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

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    [–]ElephantAmore 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

    [–]mareanguis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I love all the smug avoidant comments. "I would engage and debunk all their points with my superior logic, but I have better things to do." Mmm-hmm, gurl. Okay.

    [–]VoteRonaldRayGunSpecialises in Salt Law 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    [–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Specialises in Salt Law

    salty.

    [–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I like how people on that sub unironically mock the notion of evidence to back up one's claims. It's almost like they know they're full of shit but they don't care.

    Don't you understand proof is a tool of the patriarchy and actually having a point is difficult and oppressive. It's much easier and less problematic to force people to assume you have a point, pretend you've already proven it, then complain about people "harassing" you for your position.

    wat? OP came with a lot of evidence to back up their claim.

    [–]Aw_Man_A_Srster 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Evidence against GamerGate = Doesn't Exist.

    It's so non-existent that these fake gamer boys don't even acknowledge it. Even if it's written down for them.

    In a neat, well-put-together post!

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      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't username bait please, edit it and I'll reapprove

      [–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk. 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Maybe there should've been a big pixelated butt at the top

      [–]FlyTrumpIntoTheSun 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's the only way to get those nerds to pay attention.

      [–]anace 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Last sentence in [background] links to this comment.

      I love how the accusation of "shaming" is basically just shaming people.

      In this case for uttering criticism. And there is [good reason for that from a public health perspective}(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9104606).

      So, here we have 1) you're the real bigot for calling out my bigotry, and 2) slut shaming is good for public health because it limits STDs.

      I don't know which is more ridiculous.

      [–]casersatz 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Much like the neo Nazi website Stormfront, KiA has a particular set of “response/rebuttal” checklists that they go through in an attempt to “refute” the points people make against the movement.

      Your forgot one consistently employed method of response: burying someone under a pile of reactionary cliches! ("cuck", "shill", "beta") thought-terminating cliches ("SJW", "salt", "go back to your safe space", "lol triggered!") and vague catch-all statements using misapplied terminology, devoid of any real analysis ("nice strawman" and "PROJECTION!")

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        [–]PeppyHare66 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is why I keep saying GamerGate definitely has ties to feminism. Because it's just another ideology, trying to spread false messages. If this were a religion, we wouldn't have issues slamming it. But because modern feminists run under the generic umbrella of "feminism" (something that most people would say they support. You're not a woman-hating bigot, are you?), they go unchecked. They go mostly without criticism because anyone who criticizes them or points out their flaws is labeled a misogynist and silenced.

        Oh my God, what a wonderful fantasy. Imagine if it were that easy to get them to shut the fuck up.

        [–]baronvoncarson 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Beautiful write up. But you forgot Alison Rapp hate. They actively tried to get her fired for the longest time digging up all kinds of things from her past. After she got fired they kept going and flooded the front page of their sub pics of her from her personal life. And really didn't stop trying to shame her. I'm on my phone so i can't link well sorry

        [–]LiberalParadise[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Sorry, I was at character limit! I know I could've written a lot more about the specific people they harass.

        [–]baronvoncarson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Don't apologise. It is a great write up and really highlights the incredible hate that gets spouted from that shithole.

        [–]tee96 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was wondering how long it would take for KiA to get on here.

        [–]True_Eaglelibrarian 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Lol I love KiA's rush to yell "LIES LIES NOTHING TO SEE HERE. HEY!! MOVE ALONG! THIS JUST LIES!!"

        Then you have absolute clowns like /u/Antonioofvenice all worked up trying to drag SRSsucks and their 10 members into the fold. Join us srss for they targeted GAMERS!!!

        Great posts as seen by the reaction.

        [–]Minn-ee-sottaaMarx, Lenin, and revolution. Real girls' talk.[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Please don't username bait

        [–]True_Eaglelibrarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Bait? Please. He can disappear forever. I don't need that idiot shitting up my threads by making an appearance.

        [–]nopus_dei 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

        “It’s about ethics.”

        The thing that gets me is that Sarkeesian is one of the most ethical people in video game journalism. GG's basic complaint is (purportedly) that journalists accept gifts and favors from developers in exchange for positive reviews. Sarkeesian crowd-funded her own journalism and is openly critical of the developers.

        [–]SuperAlbertN7 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Honestly though. When was gaming journalism ever good? It's always had the problem of getting most of it's funding from the people it reports about through ads. And we were always kinda pissed about it.

        [–]nopus_dei 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        True, and that's a much bigger problem than gaming journalism. Herman and Chomsky discussed it quite a bit in Manufacturing Consent. Advertising-dependence aligns media companies' financial interests with those of the broader corporate community, and it pushes them to seek out the upper-middle-class audiences that advertisers crave. I suspect it's the reason why, for example, I found out about the Panama Papers through reddit and not the New York Times.

        Over the long term, I think the solution is to end ad-dependence, maybe through the widespread adoption of ad-blockers. It's not clear what the alternative funding model is, though, so I'm glad that people like Sarkeesian are experimenting.

        [–]SuperAlbertN7 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well luckily things like Patreon have become popular lately so it seems like ad-dependence at least for a lot of content producers may become rare. Though there is of course a concern that they will then just pander to their paying base. Though that's just like regular media.

        [–]Logseman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The Panama papers were obtained by a journalist guild who syndicated the content to many other outlets.

        [–]Eisenblume 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Crowd-funding is for some reason seen as incredibly suspect though. I'm not really sure why, but some of them go so far as to boycott games like that out of "ethical" concern.

        [–]uweird 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Quality post, thanks.

        [–]PT10 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I feel like there needs to be one of those charts linking the different online communities. To show the overlap between MRA, TRP, truecels, white supremacist subreddits, trump subreddits, *inaction subreddits, voat, /pol/, etc.

        [–]1431234141354 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Could you as least acknowledge the gamers are dead articles?

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          [–]TomatoHereevil anti-white sjw cuck[M] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Back to circlejerk you go ------>

          [–]ElephantAmore 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Hey, at least he plays video games.

          Video games!

          [–]Plob218 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "I will break you like the controller I threw against the wall when I lost at Halo and my mom grounded me for a week. I was only 34 years old at the time, and I've only grown more powerful since."

          [–]darthhayek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's been 17 days since the last hate subreddit. You're late.

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