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By 50.3% to 49.7%Austria rejects 'far-right president' (bbc.com)

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[–]my_name_is_worse -10ポイント-9ポイント  (26子コメント)

Colonialism in the early 1900s, the war on terror and drone strikes.

[–]Woesly 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

Colonialism in the early 1900s

Fucking white people, building us roads, churches, hospitals and schools and shit.

[–]my_name_is_worse -4ポイント-3ポイント  (17子コメント)

I was more referring to the dividing up of lands with no concern to the religious and political divisions that exist in the Middle East. The reason those white people were in the Middle East was always either oil or military utility.

[–]Woesly 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

So you agree that different cultures and religions leads to violence? Great, let's get those borders closed right now then.

[–]nope_nic_tesla -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

I like how no matter what the person responding to you says, you warp it to justify your preconceived opinion. I wonder if you ever enter into these conversations with an open mind, willing to consider other people's opinions as legitimate.

[–]Woesly 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

He just admitted that different cultures is what caused violence in the Middle East, yet he wants different cultures to live in Europe.

Maybe you should open your mind.

[–]nope_nic_tesla -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't think that person was arguing that being from a different culture in and of itself causes violence. I think it was more that they had "no concern to the religious and political divisions that exist in the Middle East" when establishing colonial rule.

[–]Woesly 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think he's just looking for any reason to blame Europeans for Arabs killing each other.

[–]nope_nic_tesla -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you suggesting that European colonialism & the post-WW2 treatment of the Middle East by a European/American-dominated UN is not connected to the violence in the Middle East that has been experienced over the past few decades?

[–]Woesly 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not sure how colonialism has led to muslims killing other muslims because they're not muslim enough.

[–]my_name_is_worse -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

What? I think dividing up lands without respect to political implications is a great way to cause wars. Refugee policy has nothing to do with that.

[–]Woesly 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

There are religious and political divisions between us and migrants from Syria and Africa. It's a great way to cause terrorist attacks.

[–]my_name_is_worse -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Forcing migrants into the arms of Terrorists back home is a much better way to cause terror attacks. Who do you think these people are running from? It's the terrorists who hurt them much, much more than the terrorists hurt westerners.

[–]Woesly 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Who do you think these people are running from?

Most of them are economic migrants running from nothing actually.

Forcing migrants into the arms of Terrorists back home is a much better way to cause terror attacks.

Maybe in their own countries but that's no concern of ours. Keeping our own countries safe takes priority. Look at the rape gangs in Britain and the sex attacks in Germany.#

Also, most of the 'refugees' are military aged men, not women or children. So they are either cowards or here for more sinister reasons.

[–]my_name_is_worse -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

We have a strong interest in stopping the growth of ISIS. Sending them bitter recruits with a newfound dislike for westerners is the worse thing we can do. If most of them are 'military age men', that only compounds the urgency of the situation.

[–]Woesly 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd rather have those people killing each other in Syria than doing it here thank you. And ISIS could be stopped in one week is America wanted to, which they clearly don't.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Man I wish I could use bad shit that happened an actual century ago for my fuck ups. To place all blame for the station of the people of Syria is itself bigoted, it implies that they have no personal agency to control their situation.

Of course, you won't mention what led to the war on terror, or what we're actually striking at with the drone strikes.

[–]my_name_is_worse -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm referring to the root causes of these problems. Groups like ISIS would not exist save for the terrible mismanagement of Iraq. They are bolstered by the very easily propagandised 'collateral damage' from drone strikes.

[–]Occams_Lazor_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also wouldn't exist if Islam didn't teach violence and intolerance.

[–]my_name_is_worse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Islam is just a tool of these political movements to gain power. The root divisions lie between political groups in the Middle East. Sunni and Shia being forced together is a recipe for disaster no matter what you think of Islam. Western countries should have considered that when they drew their borders. Now they are facing the consequences of their actions (not that I think the perpetrators are justified whatsoever).

[–]TheInfected [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

ISIS became powerful in Syria, not Iraq. And what do drone strikes have to do with anything? Drone strikes aren't happening anywhere close to Iraq.

[–]lawesipan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But they were a split from Al-Qaeda in Iraq, which grew powerful as a result of the Iraq war, and which was able to seize power in Syria because of the civil war, the causes of which one can trace back to the domination of the country by a wealthy/overmighty Shia minority leading to a resentful Sunni population, who were thrown into a centralised nation state with no historical basis or consideration for how it would work out.

[–]TheInfected [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You forgot the /s.