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[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 36ポイント37ポイント  (128子コメント)

Cry a me a river.

Inb4 Wehraboos cry over poor innocent resettled Nazis. :'-(

[–]KestyrFlorida 33ポイント34ポイント  (12子コメント)

Only 10 to 14 million expulsed Germans. Bunch of whiners.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

I know, we should have resettled so much more.

[–]besturGlorious Þjóðveldi 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, we should've resettled the Poles too.

Soviet needs more living space

[–]Sargon_the_GreatestSharrukin STRONK! 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're thinking too small, rightful Russian clay goes as far west as the Loire, Paris real name is Novaya Yekaterinburg.

[–]besturGlorious Þjóðveldi 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

the Loire

Funny name for the Луара river.

[–]RezKezPolish Hussar 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

You did, lol!

Ok, I get it you meant "further".

Btw: Why does Russia needs so much living space? All Russians hate each other so they need to keep distance one from another or what? I will never get it. You have the biggest country - start improving it already!

[–]unexpectedrussianRussia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

there is not so many potato fields as u think. IN USSR time we took potato from Moldova and Ucraine and from Central Asia. Now we can breed some potato only in Krasnodar kraj where is warm for potato

[–]ImTokiPagandom of Lithuania 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Russians want to rule everything with their shitty system.

[–]besturGlorious Þjóðveldi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those Poles were ethnic Russians, don't you know?

[–]CreshalPrussian in Austria, the suffering is real 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Buffer space against the next invasion.

[–]Kin-LuuFirst Reich, best Reich! 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah.

It would have been cruel to force them to live under soviet oppression. They were most likely better of in Germany.

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 13ポイント14ポイント  (72子コメント)

Collective punishment is good? Perhaps you would find North Korea's legal system to be to your liking.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 3ポイント4ポイント  (71子コメント)

"Boohoohoo ich got resettled just bekause of supporting murderous Regime and helping wizh Genocide, where is zhe Justice on zhis Welt?

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 13ポイント14ポイント  (68子コメント)

Do you understand what collective punishment means? It means that not only do the wrong doers get punished, so does every person in their family and vicinity. Can you image this happening to you? Your brother kills someone and you get prison time.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 4ポイント5ポイント  (67子コメント)

Great post, you could say this to Germans before they murdered tens of millions of people.

Or before they elected murderous genociders

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 4ポイント5ポイント  (66子コメント)

Your response didn't even mention my points. Also, my bad for forgetting that it isn't individuals who think, act, and commit actions, but everyone with the same surnames and who live in the same place are of one mind.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 0ポイント1ポイント  (65子コメント)

These "individuals" were happy to democratically elect and then support regime centred at - among others - removing any individuality.

NSDAP could have been stopped, it only required German not to choose racist imperialist murderers as a ruling class. But they wanted to make Deutschland Gross Zuruck they paid for it.

And they didn't pay enough.

[–]pretentious_couchGDR 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Many didn't though, they lived in peace for generations in these regions and were killed/forcefully removed.

Over 2 million civilians died and that's somehow a good thing?

Hope that's just you and not a large part of the polish people.

Kind of ironic also, considering the last polish elections...

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many didn't though

Negligibly small margin

they lived in peace for generations in these regions and were killed/forcefully removed

Why don't you say this line to your ancestors when they were killing, raping, pillaging, displacing, genociding their way into Slavic lands?

Over 2 million civilians died and that's somehow a good thing?

Infinitely better than what Germans did in the countries they conquered.

Hope that's just you and not a large part of the polish people.

I sometimes have to defend today Germans from antigerman rhetoric many Poles tell, but I'll never ever have any compassion towards Germans born before '45.

[–]KaisersemmelGerman Empire 5ポイント6ポイント  (37子コメント)

your oddly eager to see Germans die horribly. Also please respond to the points made in this thread and don't just continue to babble about how "all German support Nazi at this time"

[–]Maxi_WWet Maxi Pad 3ポイント4ポイント  (23子コメント)

Meh, certainly enough Germans supported it to have a decade-long totalitarian reign of terror that involved killing of millions of people who had the wrong religion, the wrong opinion, the wrong skin colour, etc.

[–]KaisersemmelGerman Empire 4ポイント5ポイント  (22子コメント)

I never said that they didn't and that Germany, specifically the Nazi Supporters within, doesn't deserve punishment for the crimes committed, but the inhumaneness of "Blame all the Germans" is ridiculous. Another ridiculous stance to have is to call out the people who point out this stupidity as "Nazis" or "wehrboos".

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

your oddly eager to see Germans die horribly

Not at all, I wish Germany prosper and lead EU into bright future.

Nazi apologists can fuck off though.

#NotAllNazis

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

The problem here is that you think any of us are Nazi apologists. How can we expect you to have a reasonable discussion if you view this as a dichotomy between genocidal apologists and justice for the oppressed?

[–]KaisersemmelGerman Empire 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not, and never will be, a Nazi Apologist. I am merely trying to point out that this thought of "everyone in Germany should be punished for ww2" when that is simply not the case.

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 5ポイント6ポイント  (22子コメント)

Once again, you talk about Germans as if they're 1 massive entity, one giant mind. Tens of millions voted Nazis, tens of millions didn't. Thousands committed genocide, tens of millions enthusiastically supported them, tens of millions opposed it, and tens of millions simply went with the flow. It's time to start viewing humans as individuals, each with their own opinions, motivations, desires, flaws, gallantry, power, etc.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 0ポイント1ポイント  (21子コメント)

Yeah, we all know that famous civil war in Germany that sparkled when brace and just Germans rose up against tyranny and Holocaust and fought Hitler.

Except, no they were happy to support Nazi warmachine, they were giving their life so another thousand Jews could be gassed, they were doing everything to prolong the existence of their racist state.

They were mere tens of people that opposed Hitler's regime. Not enough to cry about resettlements.

[–]GiantDuarfLiving in Canada now 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's becoming clear to me that you legitimately believe the entire German nation were genocidal murder machines.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Do you not even know how a dictatorship works? The Gestapo killed you if you spoke out. Would you post this shit if you had to shoot yourself in the head afterwards?

[–]KaisersemmelGerman Empire 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

But, there was a uprising against Hitler....Valkyrie? ringing any bells?

[–]VorsprungOfficialWe don't drink Foster's 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

muh Sudetenland

muh Kruppstahl

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh look from where NSDAP got the most votes!

Could that be coincidence?

[–]viktor72Sometimes I just Kant.[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

East Prussia was oddly pro-Nazi and no one has ever been able to explain why to me. Even Marion Döhnhoff in her biography didn't give off the impression that East Prussia was so pro-Nazi. I think it may be because they were cut off by the corridor so they felt vulnerable.

[–]antipositiveRhine Republic 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

There were several factors. First it was rather agricultural dominated, which correlates to a more conservative population. The WW1 experience put another factor of vunerability into it.

Since after the referendum there has been a huge campaigning for the "Germanfication", fueling nationalism. Hitler managed to put himself into the shoes as a successor Hindenburg, who was pretty popular there, so he managed to get the conservative monarchists onto his side. In addition to that, there has been a huge agricultural crisis in the 1920s, didn't help that exports got more expensive due to the corridor and also people immigrated back from the west during the depression, further feeding umemployment in East Prussia.

Source: Andreas Kossert: "Ostpreußen: Geschichte und Mythos" and "Masuren - Ostpreußens vergessener Süden" by the same author. Both books are available in German in Polish and got criticized by nationalists in both countries - so I think he found a good middle ground.

[–]viktor72Sometimes I just Kant.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah thank you. When I finally get good at German I want to read that book. It's been on my list for a while now.

[–]antipositiveRhine Republic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Np, I have both of them here, so drop me a message if you're looking for specific information - might take a while to answer, as I'm not daily on reddit.

[–]PotassiumTriiodideSingapore[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read that in Masuria, the NSDAP campaigned in Polish and got a lot of votes. Strange.

Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masuria

[–]DlimzwIs not sekret PAP spy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

tears form Danube River

[–]nichnickI'm American 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

This. Pisses me off whenever people cry for the krauts.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 2ポイント3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Cry for the Krauts? Like my grandmother, forcibly resettled with family members raped along the way?

[–]nichnickI'm American 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

>Prussian flair

Fuck off.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Genocidal asshole

Fuck off.

[–]nichnickI'm American 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Look. You're a Nazi. You're desperately clinging on to Prussia because another nation's culture makes you feel good. Grow the fuck up. Stop posting in the_Donald, and fucking do something useful.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Aw, you went through my post history. So cute. Glad to know assholes like you aren't anyone important.

[–]nichnickI'm American 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not that fucking hard to guess. Someone with a Prussian flair can be pretty safely assumed to have Fascist sympathies.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

So cute.

Now: Genocide, good or bad?

[–]nichnickI'm American 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Genocide

bad

Dismantling Germany

good

[–]EMC2133 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

he really couldn't be less important.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, Prussian flair attracts many USians with "German heritage" with revisionist view on the history of their "homeland".

I'd risk a statement no actual German sports this flair.

[–]nichnickI'm American 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. I was a wehraboo too when I was young and particularly retarded. I grew out of it by thirteen though.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only a year? You've come far.

[–]nichnickI'm American 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lel. That was nearly a decade ago, fucker.

[–]besturGlorious Þjóðveldi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They wus good Deutscher, they dindu nuffin wrong

[–]Feldmeijerhouzee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look, its a Pole.

[–]king_radicalNunavut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Wehraboos"

That's a good one.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Glad to hear my grandmum was a Nazi. Asshole.

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh that explains your Nazi apologism.

Was your grandmother in the resistance? Did she opposed the regime?

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Was yours?

People live lives man. Are you out fighting every dictatorship in the world? What country do you live in?

[–]nichnickI'm American 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe if you didn't have a Prussian flair, people wouldn't call your shit. Also, you post a right wing shit holes.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude. All I'm saying is that genocide is bad. Forced march of a specific ethnic group is genocide. Are you saying genocide can be good?

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Was yours?

My grandmother was considered subhuman, her country was invaded and ravaged for war. My ancestors were fearing for their lives everyday wondering if they live to see the next morning. Her act of resistance was surviving in the Hell your ancestors prepared for her.

People live lives man.

And some people do this without supporting Hitler.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So was mine- she moved from Warsawa after the war. Polish. You fuck. She wasn't in the resistance, I guess she betrayed her homeland?

[–]jPaoloGrey Eminence 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How a Pole could get resettled from Warsaw?

[–]jkb_Canada 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh look, a burger with a Prussian flair being a Nazi apologist.

[–]AchieriusKleindeutscheland best Deutscheland -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look, a genocide-advocating piece of slime.