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[MEGATHREAD 2] - Manchester United Management change (self.reddevils)

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This MEGATHREAD is for you all to discuss the supposedly imminent change in Manchester United management, with Louis Van Gaal set to be relieved of his duties so that Jose Mourinho can return to football.

What we know so far:

  • Merely hours after the FA Cup final victory, a leak seems to have come from Jorge Mendes himself that the change is imminent.
  • Louis van Gaal was not made aware at all and is set to be told today (Monday).
  • The public announcements are expected to be made tomorrow (Tuesday), where Ed Woodward should announce the Retirement of Van Gaal and inform the media and fans that Mourinho is to take over from June 1st.
  • Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.
  • Announcement could come late in the day on Tuesday as they must inform the New York Stock Exchange at time of opening, though it can occur earlier if they prep a shirt memo for opening time instead.

Additional information;

  • It appears that a move for Zlatan Ibrahimovic is underway and that the chance to work with Jose Mourinho again is a key factor in the deal.

  • Additional transfer rumours appear to be coming out thick and fast, with Joao Mario and Andre Gomes heavily linked with a move, as well as Alvaro Morata. Other suggestions are Icardi and Stones as well.

So; what are your thoughts?

UPDATE 1: It appears as though the Dutch contingent have been sacked. A statement from United is due at 1PM reports say.

UPDATE 2: Most major news sources now running with the same angle as above. Reuters confirm a statement is due at 1pm.

UPDATE 3: Several people are now suggesting that Ryan Giggs has rejected an approach to stay on as a coach for Jose Mourinho and will leave Manchester United after 29 years at the club.

UPDATE 4: The BBC, Sky Sports and all major outlets are now reporting that Louis Van Gaal has been sacked. Compensation packages now being discussed. Standing by for the official United conformation now...

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[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (3子コメント)

Hi all, to help us mods keep things as tidy as we can, from this moment on we'll enact the same rules as we do with Transfers. Only official United responses are allowed as link submissions from here on out.

Edit: the rule has been slightly relaxed, but only top sources may be posted at this time. Consult the wiki reliability guide if you need to see where they measure up.

[–]Crusty_Gammon_Flaps 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Imagine if we announce Jose and then in the same day we announce 3 player signings including Zlatan. That would be mental.

[–]tiger1296Masturbinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

So who would the other 2 be?

[–]aamodbDe Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

James Rodriguez and Bebe

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want Bebe and the next 2 Bebe-s

[–]ubergorpSchweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Messi and Ronaldo, obviously

[–]teh0wnah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where does that leave Neymar?

[–]Senor_MouseAnder Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I would explode if we end this week with Mourinho as manager and Zlatan as our first signing of the summer.

[–]ausnick2001It 's Carrick y'knoooow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Zlatan is worth a gamble but we may want to tone down our expectations a bit. I'm going for cautious optimism.

[–]LucaRiolu493Blind 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Warren Joyce is trending on Twitter, apparently he's been approached for the Blackburn job...

Not like this :(

[–]da_gee01 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just feel horrible right now. Feel like crying. Just watched LVG's last news conference and its absolutely horrendous how this has been handled. I agree after failing to get top 4, he had to go but the fact that he got us our first major cup after SAF should not be underestimated. He's leaving a legacy behind and will forever play an important figure in our history. If Shaw, Martial, Memphis, Rashford, CBJ, TFM, all come good it should always be remembered that it was LVG who gave them their first games!

Smalling (apart from City game and Saturday's game) has been excellent and this has been due to LVG.

Thank you LVG! Now let's get on this Mourinho train!!!

[–]nowhere_Park Ji-Sung 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there like a stream of the announcement or are we just waiting for a tweet/article on manutd site?

[–]highertellurianMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Waiting for official confirmation by united. It will be updated on their website and Twitter.

[–]3V-Coryn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now I really can't wait for the next season. Hope a lot of signings will be made.

[–]LucaRiolu493Blind 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am happy he will not be our manager this year, but still it is sad when someone gets the sack. Loved Louis, didn't love his football. I won't say anything about Mourinho until after he's had a chance to show his stuff at United.

Goodbye Louis!

[–]wp4815162342 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

https://twitter.com/ncustisTheSun/status/734703994199781376

LVG and staff furious with this they genuinely thought they had next season and were planning for it

[–]kmtchlEvra 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would understand if LVG were furious about the timing of his sacking. However, to be furious because he isn't getting his final contracted year, after a terrible season, is naive.

[–]Splash_map 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Custis talking through his considerable arse again

[–]035036503530Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should have a rule that on this sub that you get banned for linking to that shit rag

[–]teh0wnah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Delusional..

[–]EroticIceCreamBlind 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have so many conflicted emotions right now. Still on an FA cup high, sad for LvG, disappointed with how we've handled this, excited for Jose, new signings and our youth growing... I just feel weird

[–]ausnick2001It 's Carrick y'knoooow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like breaking up with your girlfriend because you like someone else. For the best in the long run but boy is it shit to begin with.

[–]wp4815162342 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fulltimedevils:

We're being told the club statement at 1pm will say mutual consent or words to that effect, and also that the club are trying to keep Giggs

https://twitter.com/FullTimeDEVILS/status/734703057632661506

[–]Robocop_99 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So im guessing they'll be no announcment of Mou as manager till mendes flies in tomorrow?

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this rate no announcement until Mendes tells the club that they're allowed to. Seems he's in full control.

[–]lukejames1111Beckham 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, news has just broke. Awaiting a statement from MUFC and this sub is going to go crazy again. Yay, modwork.

[–]cooksenMata 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its offical, Jones will never take a corner for us again.

[–]general_description 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36356584 . BBC made it offish!

[–]RVallant 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Muhuhuh, if Football Manager 2016 is anything to go by, the Dutch contingent (Hoek aside) is awful and shouldn't be at the club anyway! =p

Van Gall out? Good.

Mou in? Great.

Giggsy gone? Bad. Hopefully he'll take up a management job and excel at it and by the time Mourinho screws up in about 5-30 years, he'll be ready to replace him.

[–]BloodyMess111 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are all but Italian coaches shit on FM?

[–]dios87Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll miss you Giggsy :'(

[–]_ar767 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Independent reporting the sacking. Don't know if sources are reliable.

[–]popcornelephant 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't quite believe Giggsy is finally not going to be part of the club. Hope he goes earns his stripes elsewhere and comes back eventually.

[–]redchilliprodThree Lungs Park 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why are we unable to keep this out of the press when we have an announcement coming up? This is an absolute shambles - and whilst it was LVG's time to go as far as I'm concerned, we should really have the class to make a decision, then make a statement instead of this horrific bukake of different information all over the waiting journalists, who can't seem to get the journalistic jizz out of their eyes before gleefully uploading their 'exclusive'.

[–]Robocop_99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was the same with Moyes. Kinda feel sorry for them as it seems the media know they're sacked before the managers actually know themselves.

[–]daniam1Shaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its because were such a massive club. The press is obsessed with us, and especially this managerial situation because it sells so many papers/clicks - which is why this circus has being going on for months now.

Short of sacking LVG in december I'm not sure what else the club could do. We're not even half way through the first working day since winning the FA cup, so if LVG is getting canned today its hardly like we've sat on our hands and let him stew.

The rest is just Mendes and the press running their mouths which is out of the club's control.

[–]redchilliprodThree Lungs Park -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think we can blame this on Mendes. Maybe all the shit over the last few months, but the fact that everyone knows about this before the club's official announcement lies squarely on Ed's shoulders. Why on earth would Mendes benefit by calling up the journos 2 hours before the announcement?

[–]daniam1Shaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mendes benefits by appearing to be the one in control, its a power play.

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That got pretty Freudian

[–]matt768 16ポイント17ポイント  (21子コメント)

Is there really someone who watched us play all season and is against the sack?

[–]_redmeScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. I've been against the sack and especially against the sack when learning who would be replacing him.

I'd have been much happier if it was Guardiola for example, and could even understand that terminating Van Gaal would be regardless of his tenure or United status - we couldn't afford to miss out based on the timing of him leaving Bayern this season. Guardiola would keep us playing pure football. We completely lack in the final 1/3rd which is understandable based on whos on the pitch, and both him & Van Gaal would be better this next season given they would have further recruited creative forwards, wide players & the final position CB. We'd be flying next season in either scenario.

But no. Might as well say good bye to the following: Fosu Mensah, Mata, CamboJack, Lingard, Verela, Wilson (was never here), Januzai... Rashford will stay and be the 'example of following Utd Traditions' - whilst effectively replacing Lingard on the wing when he makes way for the striker Mourinho wants - whether thats Zlatan or other.

He'll hire a destroyer who won't do very much footballing so say good bye with regards to how United develop their ball playing ability from the back. This player, even if he drops in between the two center backs won't be good enough to withstand a press and he'll be passing back to De Gea more than any other pass.

This also means our CB's will no longer have license to freely carry the ball forward out of the back effectively cutting out much of the simplest ways of advancing into the last 1/3rd of the pitch.

Success isn't guaranteed even with him. United couldn't get the transfers needed for Van Gaal - no top talent, no top defender, and ones that he did get (Falcao/Di Maria) were complete mistakes not related to Van Gaal. Will Glazers/Woodward break the bank for Mourinho? He certainly needs to be able to spend £100m if he wants the team HE wants. He'll want his own defensive midfielders, striker, winger to replace Mata, and perhaps two experienced defenders. That's a lot of money.

If he can't get them, then he'll be struggling to employ 'his philosophy', we'll struggle to play a new system, United will struggle to get top 4 again and yet another manager will have his reputation tarnished.

On balance of that point, Mendez might now allow top talent on his books to join our club instead of the other top clubs. But that's a big if. Normally we only receive said players if they are a teenager, or after Real/Bayern/Barcelona has finished with them.

[–]thehf45 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not against the sack but I'm not too keen that Mourinho is the replacement.

[–]Sunny_McJoyride 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you could have any current manager in the world, who would you choose?

[–]035036503530Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who's the alternative?

[–]rk_11De God 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we only look at the result against top teams, I'd be against it.

But after watching our gameplay, I'd say we need someone better.

I feel he is our Master Roshi, its time to move to a new trainer.

[–]ArazezScholes -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm against the fact that we've sacked 2 managers in 3 years. This isn't the Manchester United that I know. And I'm really hoping that we don't turn into Madrid in where we're sacking managers left right and centre.

[–]summerincassiopeiaBlind 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We hired 1 manager who was unsuitable for the job and the other was out of contract at the end of next season anyway. You have to understand that Fergie was a once in a lifetime thing.

[–]ArazezScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not supporting either of our previous managers.

I'm saying that it's unacceptable to have had 2 consecutive under-performing managers.

[–]WhatHappenedToLeeds 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So are you saying that you think we should have done a better job in picking a manager and getting in the right players? What's the solution if the club gets that part wrong though? I'd prefer to not have a carousel of managers, but I also wouldn't be ok with poor performances and not competing for the title for more than a couple seasons. I know that sounds spoiled, but we have been spoiled.

[–]BloodyMess111 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a difference. Madrid sack managers when they've won the league. We've made two appointments that were, for whatever reasons, not working out. It's absolutely the right decision to sack in that case. You don't persist with failure because it doesn't feel nice to do something about it. Utd sacked plenty of managers in between Busby and SAF, why don't fans realise this?

[–]NestledrinkHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because most fans were not alive before that and not bothered to learn the history probably.

[–]BloodyMess111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh I get it now, all the proper reds on here who talk about the Utd Way have no idea what happened at the club prior to 1992. If they think the club is run poorly now! One of our managers was having an affair with the bus drivers wife ffs!

[–]rob1005 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think it's that people are against it, but for me the way all this came out within minutes of winning the FA Cup and completely over shrouded the achievement is disgusting and a huge lack of respect towards LVG. I would feel the same whoever it was who had to be grilled by the press about it in an FA Cup win press conference

[–]matt768 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. We should havr announced it sooner and make it great goodbye party. But it could shift focus of manager and players before match and in the end, feelings aside, noone is bogger than club. And mendez fucked it up, thats true

[–]Jrobert94Hamilton 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I finally got that hate in the game vs Bournemouth, when I'm watching from home I can distract myself with reddit etc.

When i was at the game tho i couldn't do anything and was so bored first half it was unreal.

I have a season ticket next year and am much happier going to see a Mourinho team than a Van Gaal team

[–]matt768 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually choose to study and even cook during matches to keep me occupied. It eas so boring i almost cried myself to sleep

[–]BloodyMess111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must be new here. I present to you Black_Squire and his magic bag of limitless excuses.

[–]kusendahlMartial 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't be.

[–]matt768 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

But but he won the cup. Failed champions league, failed one of the weakest bpl, failed community shield, europa league and only played youngsters after we had no other players to play. He played with fellaini at 9 few times before actually trying rashford

[–]ManUToasterDiego Forlan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol failed community shield?? Wut!? Is Mourinho going to fail CL next season?

[–]kusendahlMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like LVG, I really do. But now there is another manager off duty. A pretty good one. Maybe the best. It's a no-brainer.

[–]vowthyDe Gea 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mou Pep Klopp Conte Wenger

Cheers

[–]MajonaCMRonaldo 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can we just take the time to digest the fact that Giggs will be leaving after 29 years here.

[–]essjay2009Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho has, in the past, brought in people who know the club to work alongside him. If not Giggs, who do we think he'll target? I mentioned Scholsey in another post, but I could see one of the Nevilles coming back. Having said that, Nicky Butt is still there, so maybe Mourinho will see him as sufficient.

I don't think Giggsy is a lost cause either. The stories coming out now are basically saying he had no influence over LvG and did very little other than run a few training sessions. So maybe much of the criticism of this season will escape him.

[–]kusendahlMartial 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It hurts. No doubt. But he will be back.

[–]SnoyarcMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sure hope so. Hopefully he can take over somewhere, do exceedingly well, and come back to United and be Fergie 2.0

[–]vowthyDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for everything LVG. time to go back to ur wife. Hello Jose ;)

[–]wp4815162342 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

unconfirmed reports from a BBC Journo that giggs has walked

https://twitter.com/richaskam/status/734682439147261952

[–]mink_manMourinho 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Megathreads are shit. Reddits sorting doesn't allow proper discussion. I prefer to comment on threads rather than look through posts.

[–]allyallmfersneed___Schweinsteiger 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Congrats to Woodward and the board for another colossal fuck up in dismissing a manager...

[–]George_Beast 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

They waited till Monday to officially get rid of him, how exactly did they fuck up?

[–]allyallmfersneed___Schweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Leaks to the press and pressers about the players being unhappy on the eve of his dismissal.

They took a situation where is just made sense to release him and made him a sympathetic figure by trying to make him look like the bad guy in this.

[–]JGQuintelMata 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you really think the club leaked that info? After staying quiet for so long?

It was clearly Mendes, he's known for it.

[–]BadAthMOFOViva Ronaldo! 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

I really don't want to see Giggsy leave.

[–]stevo3001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to be one of the very best managers in the world to be good enough to manage United. It's time for Giggs to go and prove that he is that. If he's good enough, he'll be welcome back as manager one day. And if he isn't, some role at the club, coaching or ambassador or whatever, will presumably always be there for him if he wants it.

[–]theadamsegal 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was an amazing player but if he really wants to do what is best for himself and the club, he will go prove himself elsewhere.

If he's good enough, there will be many years for him to come back and manage the team.

[–]Willszz1De Gea 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do. I don't like the idea of forcing Giggs on to a manager just because it's the ideal dream of him one day managing us to success.

[–]Wolpfack 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could be better for him to experience another club's management and get some top man experience. Actually, it would truly qualify him for the job at United by settling once and for all his abilities to manage a team.

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He'll be back.

[–]patcheee 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So long, fare well. Thanks for the F.A. Cup, but the football has been atrocious at times (most of the time).

Let's pray for better attacking football, whether under Mourinhio or someone else.

[–]BloodyMess111 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because of the start I read the rest of your comment to the tune of the Sound of Music song. I now have that awful song in my head, thanks for that.

[–]FilipinooFlash 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of these so called Utd fans on social media. Dancing on the grave, pretty tasteless

[–]ywhineRVP RVP RVP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found a Mail article from last year about players unhappiness, notably the analysis from Reckers - it all seems to add up from the reports yesterday (Rooney/Carrick complaining to LVG)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3229640/Manchester-United-performance-analyst-Max-Reckers-one-main-reasons-player-unhappiness.html

[–]tiger1296Masturbinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol United just tweeted about Lingard just now, such a tease

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thread has been set to 'New' sort so you get to see comments come in as they happen like our match threads.

[–]DarmianLVG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, more discussion this way.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thread has been set to 'New' sort so you get to see comments come in as they happen like our match threads.

[–]fergieschewinggumHe hates scousers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

BREAKING NEWS: Reports: Manchester United sack Louis van Gaal - Much more on #SSNHQ

[–]geozza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

😭

[–]Stuarty1984 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I hope its not true.

We have some great youngsters coming through who have been at the club a long time, they may get cast aside. We have a big fan favourite in Mata, who may also end up out on his ear. Giggs is reported to have said that he doesn't want to work with Mourinho.

It's not a decision that will be backed 100% by the fans. Don't get me wrong, I like to see an animated/passionate manager and I may enjoy that side of him if he gets the job, but I still don't think he's the right man for the job, long term.

[–]vowthyDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's happening mate

[–]matt768 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Have you watched at least 50% of matches this seson?

[–]Stuarty1984 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, what's your point?

[–]matt768 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did you enjoy it? I know i didnt. Youngsters and mourinho assumption is older than religion and terrorism

[–]Stuarty1984 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not particularly, but I did enjoy seeing so many of the youngsters get a game and more often than not play well. I hope he knows what's expected of him and staying in line with club traditions and youth.

The Mourinho thing with youngsters isn't that inaccurate an assumption, he's been a spender most if not all of his clubs after Porto.

[–]matt768 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great spender comparison. Welbeck out, falcao in. Adnan on loan, Di Maria in. Mata at rw, pereira and memphis benched.

[–]Stuarty1984 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welbeck wasn't good enough and his injuries at Arsenal have helped prove it was time for him to go. They needed a big name like Di Maria after the abysmal season after Moyes. Falcao was a joke I'll give you that. Our squad at that stage needed freshening up, Mourinho spends regardless.

[–]buckfasterLittle Pea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lads the time is almost upon us. Jose is coming. I'm nervous and excited and not getting a fucking ounce of work done today cause I'm hitting refresh that much.

[–]Lap_Ras 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mourinho furious with the Mendes leak?

Leaked by Mendes???

[–]JGQuintelMata 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Obviously. Why would the club leak it? Mendes is known for leaking information when it suits him.

The amount of people blaming Woodward and the board for a 'colossal fuck up' are delusional. No team is going to leak info minutes after winning a cup.

[–]Lap_Ras 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm saying Mendes leaked the fact Mourinho is fuming with himself.

[–]HunkOfLoveValencia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What will happen to Giggs?

[–]mink_manBellion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giggsy has just left carrington

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734679326763945984

[–]TopsyKret5Van Persie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/458508081039962112

this was the time of the announcement of moyes sacking

[–]danskzwag 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Post fergie I didnt think we would find a manager that hates the scouse as much as we do

[–]fergieschewinggumHe hates scousers 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit stream link for this thread

[–]wp4815162342 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734679326763945984

Giggs just left Carrington - No word yet

[–]erfanPFellaini's Chest 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

I honestly don't get the Zlatan hype. I just pray to God we don't get him. He wont fit in PL at this age and his personality is not what we need in our team and he'll be an obstacle for our our youth development and his wages will be ridiculous. Its just gonna be another berbatov case but worse.

[–]DJ_B0BThe Special One 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree, we've been missing a target in the box for ages, more often than not wing play leads to a cross and this season so many of them are wasted on our small attackers.

[–]YourTypicalSaudiAnder Hererra 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, don't want another high profile but questionable striker, don't want to live another Falcao saga.

[–]Schmee88 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

He scored 50 goals last year.

[–]JMassie21De Gea -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

In France...

[–]matt768 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many did cavani scored? Or any other player thats above average and you rate?

[–]JMassie21De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't particularly rate Cavani either, that and he's played out wide to accommodate Zlatan as well. Zlatan is a good player, at times a very good player. Just don't want him near the club.

[–]mbakhietDi Maria 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Martial was playing in that same french league prior to lighting up the premier league, as was Payet.

[–]JMassie21De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Payet also led the entire continent in chances created and no one really knew who he was.

[–]mink_manBellion -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are selfish. They want Zlatan because it's Zlatan, not because of the player he is.

[–]TIDZ3Rash-Daddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is Jorge pronounced Hor-hay or George?

[–]metalspikeMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always thought it was Jor-jay. But I guess that ain't right…

[–]TIDZ3Rash-Daddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha same George Mendes sounds weird now

[–]jorgelucas7Memphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since he's of Portuguese language the "J" is more bent to "Jay" than to "Hay". So I'd say it's "George".

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hor-gay

[–]the_cunt_muncher -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If all these reports of Giggs being butthurt about being passed over for the job and him threatening to leave are true then he can fuck off. He's not entitled the job when he's never managed a team ever.

[–]MartianGeneral -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope Jose is a changed man when he takes over this job. I don't want to see any disgraceful stuff from him, but something tells me we'll be seeing that in plenty.
Oh, and please don't park the bus at Old Trafford, have some shame.

[–]Spitfire221 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

  • The public announcements are expected to be made tomorrow (Tuesday), where Ed Woodward should announce the Retirement of Van Gaal and inform the media and fans that Mourinho is to take over from June 1st.

Do you mean in terms of leaving the club, or is the rumour that he will retire? Very excited about Mou but I can't help but feel sorry for Louis with how this has all gone down.

[–]khalfrodo34 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

LVG is choosing to retire this summer the way racehorses choose to retire.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

He said this would be his last job when he joined us

[–]Spitfire221 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now that you mention it that sounds familiar... thanks!

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

BBC's Dan Roan

After their mishandling of the Moyes sacking, United said they'd learn lessons. Sadly for all concerned, LVG exit appears even worse.

Make of that what you will.

Link

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I put in mainly on Mendes to be honest,United seem to have had a timeline planned all along,however he jumped the gun pretty fast and there wasn't much United could do.

I mean the full time whistle was hardly gone in the cup and it was all over the BBC.

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indeed, I fail to see how it's the club's fault that his agent has taken it upon himself to spill the beans too early.

[–]sometalkofmeScholesy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The buck, for better or for worse, stops with the club.
Either United's team did not emphasize enough about the rigidity of how things would go about.

Or, they did so, and Mendes chose to ignore United's concerns anyway, implying the 'super-agent' doesn't take the hierarchy of the club seriously. Yet we will continue to deal with him to take his clients into our fold; management & playing staff.

[–]Sunny_McJoyride 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, it feels like that was a bit of a power-play from Mendes, letting Man Utd know they can't dictate terms like that to him. Also seems to be keeping a cosy relationship with the BBC.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Supposedly Wayne Rooney is the source of yesterday's articles about LVG, emails and all.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really? According to who?

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Red Issue have gone big on it, a few decent United fans on my twitter feed saying it too.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow. I hope not. Especially after he's come out and said its wrong to talk about.

[–]geozza 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pure speculation, but I've seen a for sale sign outside what I've heard is Rooney's house

[–]welbzyThe Ghost of Welbeck 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rooney knows how to use email?

[–]khalfrodo34 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find that hard to believe.

[–]Apocalypse37APOCALYPSE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The foundation has been laid, the blueprint is ready. JM's gonna build a fortress that hopefully, shall not crumble!

[–]sometalkofmeScholesy 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.

Is there a source for this?

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a series of tweets from a few of the people reporting it. Should be one near the sub front page still.

[–]Pigeon_AssholeBlind's Sexy Hair 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've spent over £20 so far on roaming charges trying to see if it's happened yet!

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't happen until at least 12. Probably best to come back at 1pm instead.

[–]youreviltwinbrotherNobody fucks with The Peaky Woodwards 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, it's been too long since the off-season f5 party has been in full swing. Nice to be back!

[–]parton90Scholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope there's some truth behind these transfer rumours that have come out.

[–]njpatelAnder Herrera 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cannot wait. I know it may end in tears but the ride will be worth it and, OMG, fucking Mourinho.

He's coveted this position for ages, I don't think he's going to go into this job as harsh as some of the others. He knows the English press inside-out, people at the club aren't poisonous like at Real, he's got enough money to cure world hunger, and he's sitting on the tallest throne in the land.

If he brings his A game and adds a bit of class in his dealings, he'll have everyone related to MUFC eating out the palms of his hands.

[–]labtecozaDeutscher Fußballmeister 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will probably work out exactly like this with a shit ton of speculation and transfer rumours to come. We will probably be linked heavily with every Mendes client and everyone who has worked with Mourinho in the past

[–]khalfrodo34 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As if we haven't been linked with all of them since December.

[–]danskzwag 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734666485667336192 LMA lawyer Paul Gilroy QC arrives @ Carrington but turned away by security. Employment barrister acted for Moyes too

[–]khalfrodo34 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's an LMA lawyer?

[–]BloodyMess111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

League Managers Association

[–]RICK_DORGONSchweinsteiger 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

LMA

League Managers Association. It's the Trade Union for Managers. I guess they're just making sure that all settlements etc are done properly and LVG receives fair treatment and compensation.

[–]nick_badlands 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/member-services/legal/

[–]AspectsDruidCarrick 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

League Managers Association, I think.

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was just about to post this. BBC website also now confirming. An indication of change if ever there was one.

BBC Live feed link

[–]MTPsGameHerrera 51ポイント52ポイント  (7子コメント)

Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.

That is a great point actually, I wonder how Mourinho has felt over these last few months, especially if an agreement was already in place.

[–]Entrepreneur_GirlJuan Manuel Mata García 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

It was written all over his face when that damn car door wouldn't open

[–]FeezbullGiggs 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm utterly disgusted with how mendes did it honestly. Pathetic low blow and disrespectful on so many levels. Utter prick.

[–]Entrepreneur_GirlJuan Manuel Mata García 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

We all weren't expecting it as well, we all thought maybe the weekend after the FA Cup win was when mourinho to United would emerge again. Was literally 2 seconds after we lifted the trophy that bbc was confirming it. What a crazy day that day was.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I even mentioned to someone there's no way they'd confirm it then no matter the result. But fucking mendes. And Woodward too honestly for how he's let it get to that.

A simple "he's our manager and we support him" statement would've made it so much better because in the end, LvG wasn't sacked during the season anyway and all these moves can still happen with less prodding questions from the bag of dildos called the media.

[–]essjay2009Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That sort of statement would have done two things. It would have massively pissed off the fans and possibly tarnished the cup win anyway. It also would have made the club look like idiots given that Mourinho coming in has been such an open secret, especially if Mendes still made his statement. At the moment we look a little ruthless (I'm fine with that) and Mendes looks like a vindictive dick (I don't care about him - he probably likes having that reputation so people don't cross him) but if they made that statement and then backtracked a week later the above remains true but they also look like clueless, indecisive idiots.

There was no better way to handle this other than getting Mendes to shut up, and we don't control him. The club did nothing wrong here.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As opposed to being quiet about it and having the fans pissed off anyway?

[–]patthetree 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was Mendes who leaked the news to the bbc I have lost any respect I had for him (which wasn't much). LVG deserved more respect than to be treated like that.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 17ポイント18ポイント  (17子コメント)

The way I see it:

  • Van Gaal laid the foundations.

  • Mourinho is going to build the house.

  • Giggs is going to live in it.

[–]DJ_B0B 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You forgot Moyes demolishing the house.

[–]GrayOctopusBasti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I took the hinges and put it in the boy's hands.

[–]NaoTapar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then invite his brother wife around

[–]manu4ever99 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't agree that LVG laid the foundation. On the contrary, he pretty much shacked players' attacking mindset. Possession means nothing if we just backward - we are number one team in EPL in terms of number of backward passes.

[–]Harold_Spliffington 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best defence in the league. Build from the bottom up!

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd argue he laid the foundations in terms of recruitment, retaining players and promoting youth from the academy. He had all the ingredients he needed, he just messed up the execution.

I really can't see Mourinho making the same mistakes. Our team is currently well set up to absorb pressure, something a Mourinho team needs to do. He just needs to add the fast counter attacking aspect to it, something Martial, Memphis, Rashford etc will excel at.

[–]mink_manBellion 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Mou is successful you just know everyone will be saying LVG laid the foundations despite probably having a different set of key players, signings and a completely different style of play.

[–]Kambei1311LVG 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the weirdest thing.

If any other manager in the world gets sacked - and the subsequent manager does well - they're generally considered a failure.

If Van Gaal gets sacked, he gets credit for laying foundations. It makes no sense.

In the FA Cup Final, Mata equalised following an assist from Fellaini. Nobody gives Moyes credit, do they?

[–]DublinguistSmalling 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, remember when that fairy tale had a pep in it? Let's see how it goes.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Pep should have stayed at Barcelona in my opinion. He would have eclipsed Sir Alex and then some, he would have been immortal at his childhood team.

[–]manu4ever99 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think Pep will have a rude awakening at City next season. EPL is way more competing league than La Liga and Bundesliga.

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and as we have seen, the boring possession football is easily punished in BPL.

[–]robbieclacy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

More than that, I'm not sure if the city players are capable of his style

[–]NaoTapar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will just buy new ones

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

His started to have serious stress issues at Barca. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes back, but only once the players who were there before are gone.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah the before and after pictures of him managing Barcelona are scary.

[–]opdjasinMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anyone knows anything about LMA lawyer? He just arrived at Carrington. https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734667338281328640

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