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[MEGATHREAD 2] - Manchester United Management change (self.reddevils)

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This MEGATHREAD is for you all to discuss the supposedly imminent change in Manchester United management, with Louis Van Gaal set to be relieved of his duties so that Jose Mourinho can return to football.

What we know so far:

  • Merely hours after the FA Cup final victory, a leak seems to have come from Jorge Mendes himself that the change is imminent.
  • Louis van Gaal was not made aware at all and is set to be told today (Monday).
  • The public announcements are expected to be made tomorrow (Tuesday), where Ed Woodward should announce the Retirement of Van Gaal and inform the media and fans that Mourinho is to take over from June 1st.
  • Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.
  • Announcement could come late in the day on Tuesday as they must inform the New York Stock Exchange at time of opening, though it can occur earlier if they prep a shirt memo for opening time instead.

Additional information;

  • It appears that a move for Zlatan Ibrahimovic is underway and that the chance to work with Jose Mourinho again is a key factor in the deal.

  • Additional transfer rumours appear to be coming out thick and fast, with Joao Mario and Andre Gomes heavily linked with a move, as well as Alvaro Morata. Other suggestions are Icardi and Stones as well.

So; what are your thoughts?

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[–]MTPsGameHerrera 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.

That is a great point actually, I wonder how Mourinho has felt over these last few months, especially if an agreement was already in place.

[–]Entrepreneur_GirlJuan Manuel Mata García 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was written all over his face when that damn car door wouldn't open

[–]youreviltwinbrotherNobody fucks with The Peaky Woodwards 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, it's been too long since the off-season f5 party has been in full swing. Nice to be back!

[–]danskzwag 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734666485667336192 LMA lawyer Paul Gilroy QC arrives @ Carrington but turned away by security. Employment barrister acted for Moyes too

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was just about to post this. BBC website also now confirming. An indication of change if ever there was one.

BBC Live feed link

[–]khalfrodo34 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's an LMA lawyer?

[–]AspectsDruidCarrick 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

League Managers Association, I think.

[–]RICK_DORGONSchweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

LMA

League Managers Association. It's the Trade Union for Managers. I guess they're just making sure that all settlements etc are done properly and LVG receives fair treatment and compensation.

[–]nick_badlands 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/member-services/legal/

[–]BloodyMess111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

League Managers Association

[–]DublinguistSmalling 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

A mega thread? OK, so...I wanted ask, with Jose coming in, what people think about LVG or Giggs or u/PedanticPat maybe moving into a director of football role or something to do with youth development. Is that suitable for here or should I create a new thread? I'll do both just to be sure.

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Put me in charge of website/social media/games and keep me faaaaar away from footballing decisions lol.

[–]DublinguistSmalling 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • "PUT ME IN CHARGE" Says Pat

The Sun

[–]vauno 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pat, when you're in charge, put me in on cleaning duty. I promise not to miss a fake bomb in the bathroom

[–]JirachiJirachiOHHHH YESSS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about a real bomb?

[–]DublinguistSmalling 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Put me on security, I promise not to put one there

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

If Pat takes a DoF roll then I would hire /u/MonsieurRyan and /u/Rdzzl for the Head Youth Develoopment and Academy Coaching.

In all seriousness, I suspect any hope of LVG hanging about was ruined Saturday night.

[–]rdzzlPowell[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm game. It seems like a perfect way to continue procrastinating my master's thesis.

[–]DublinguistSmalling 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They know the team, the United way, it would be a shame to lose that

[–]clg93 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Giggs wouldn't have the experience for those roles & I think he wants to move into management, or at least be an assistant for a while longer.

LVG will go & relax with his wife, the way all this has been handled I highly doubt he'd want to work with our board any longer.

Pat might have a chance.

[–]noob_senpaiHad enough, next pls 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've read somewhere that Mourinho likes to have someone around, who knows the club well, so I guess he could opt for keeping Giggs around. As for Giggs, I think he might not want to stay, though it would certainly a great opportunity for him to stick around for a year to learn from Mourinho too - this would also benefit the club, so it seems to me the most optimal solution. Obviously, the people involved will decide and may have a completely different opinion, but as I see if Giggs would stay for a year before going into management somewhere else, he would have learned from SAF during his playing time, from Moyes (learning from his mistakes is also something), from LVG as his assistant, and then Mourinho. That would certainly be a pretty solid basis to build on.

[–]EddieMcDowallMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've worked in management (teaching management but...) and I know of very few people willing to accept a demotion, it's usually an easy way to force a resignation. So I don't see LvG going from absolute boss to a DOF where the roles would be 'shared' between himself and the manager. As to Giggs, if he doesn't have the experience to manage I don't see how he can become a DOF.

Don't get me wrong, I want a DOF, I think it's the best way to limit the damage I fear Jose may bring, but we need better experieince than LvG or Giggs.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jorge Mendes is the new director of football

[–]FrenchMancMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

underated post.

[–]DublinguistSmalling -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean this sincerely: Good

[–]mufcirclejerk 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you think that would be good?

[–]DublinguistSmalling 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chances of spending all summer sniffing after Bale, Muller, and Neymar?

0%

[–]sometalkofmeScholesy 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho is apparently 'furious' that Mendes has led this leak so close to the final, as he see's LVG as a mentor and close friend.

Is there a source for this?

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a series of tweets from a few of the people reporting it. Should be one near the sub front page still.

[–]TMilloMartial 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

LVG bought and brought through a great team for Jose to make into champions.

Van Gaal played frustrating football, but we should always be thankful for his ability to spot and nurture talent.

FA Cup champions, ending on a high.

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I lot of people (I'm not one of them) feel like LvG hasn't made many good buys and that the squad isn't good enough.

I genuinely feel like Mou has a good foundation to work with and that his counter-attacking style will suit a good number of players more than LvG's system. He should be able to elevate the current players we have, as he has done in the past with other teams/players.

[–]robbieclacy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the team is champions league quality but only just. I'm scared that we don't have enough world class players, a team of good players often needs a great one to break down top defences.

[–]WisegoatMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think most people agree that we are still need at least a couple more top signings to get us back to the top though.

Our defence needs reinforcing, De Gea has hidden masked the problems with his sheer brilliance. He should not be having to make anywhere near the number of saves that he is.

Two or three nice signings between midfield, the wings and upfront could completely upgrade the attacking side of our game as well.

Exciting times ahead!!

[–]doesnt_like_pantsHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree wholeheartedly, it's funny though, when there was a lineup thread yesterday the majority of people were including 5 or so new signings in their starting XI. It's just hard to imagine, as you said, 3 first teamers seems more realistic.. A CB, a CM and a RW should do the trick. We'll probably get Ibra as well so I guess that would make 4!

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

BBC's Dan Roan

After their mishandling of the Moyes sacking, United said they'd learn lessons. Sadly for all concerned, LVG exit appears even worse.

Make of that what you will.

Link

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I put in mainly on Mendes to be honest,United seem to have had a timeline planned all along,however he jumped the gun pretty fast and there wasn't much United could do.

I mean the full time whistle was hardly gone in the cup and it was all over the BBC.

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indeed, I fail to see how it's the club's fault that his agent has taken it upon himself to spill the beans too early.

[–]sometalkofmeScholesy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The buck, for better or for worse, stops with the club.
Either United's team did not emphasize enough about the rigidity of how things would go about.

Or, they did so, and Mendes chose to ignore United's concerns anyway, implying the 'super-agent' doesn't the hierarchy of the club seriously. Yet we will continue to deal with him to take his clients into our fold; management & playing staff.

[–]DonnieAzofff 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mendes is a cunt

[–]ICame4TheCirclejerk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And the sun rises in the east.

The man is too big of a power player in modern football, but if that's the way football is today it doesn't hurt to have him "on our side". SAF hated the role agents play in the modern game, but he also knew how to use them to our benefit. He and Mendes had a very cordial relationship over the years, which was to a mutual benefit. Mendes leaking the information of Mourinho's arrival can be be interpreted both ways. It's disrespectful towards LVG but it also paves the way for the change most of us want. If Mendes can help make that change happen sooner then I'm all for it.

[–]DonnieAzofff 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, youre right ITS just the Way he handled it

[–]antantoonAlpaca Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's with your choice of capital letters?

[–]Kambei1311LVG -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. He's a businessman and he's incredibly good at his job. The majority of people in this sub have overinflated expectations about how emotions are meant to be handled in one of the coldest and most cut-throat industries in the world.

Louis Van Gaal is not Mendes' client; Jose Mourinho is. Throughout this process he will have used all resources available to negotiate the best possible contract. Making the media aware of Mourinho's contact with Man United is a tactic almost certainly designed to increase pressure on the club and solidify the future appointment; it has not been done to undermine Van Gaal's authority.

That that the club has been in protracted negotiations with Mendes and Mourinho suggests that the club have been looking to establish a new path forward. At a senior level the club made its decision months ago, and currently there's this unrealistic expectancy that all decision-making at an executive level is meant to be done quietly and cleanly at one of the biggest and most widely followed clubs in the world. It's just not feasible.

At City they flatly announced that Pellegrini would be replaced by Guardiola, and they left the manager to see out the season knowing that he didn't have a future at the club. At Real Madrid they got rid of Benitez in his first season. He had the team in third place and he didn't make it past January. At Liverpool they sacked Rodgers after eight games.

All of these sackings were widely reported in the weeks and months prior to actually happening. This is not uncommon in football.

Van Gaal has had to deal with increased media scrutiny, yes. This is not Mendes' fault. This is inevitable given how poor the team was throughout the season. Van Gaal also had the chance to finish the season fully, and in the end he won the FA Cup. Yes, the party was cut short by the news the same day, but again, this is the football industry. The season is over, and now the club is working to move on from the old regime and solidify the new appointment.

It's sad to see anyone sacked, and on a personal level I sympathise with Van Gaal, who has had a lot to deal with over the last several months. That said, the guy has got it better than most; the football world is fucking merciless.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

The way I see it:

  • Van Gaal laid the foundations.

  • Mourinho is going to build the house.

  • Giggs is going to live in it.

[–]DublinguistSmalling 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, remember when that fairy tale had a pep in it? Let's see how it goes.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Pep should have stayed at Barcelona in my opinion. He would have eclipsed Sir Alex and then some, he would have been immortal at his childhood team.

[–]manu4ever99 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think Pep will have a rude awakening at City next season. EPL is way more competing league than La Liga and Bundesliga.

[–]robbieclacy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

More than that, I'm not sure if the city players are capable of his style

[–]NaoTapar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will just buy new ones

[–]arron77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and as we have seen, the boring possession football is easily punished in BPL.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

His started to have serious stress issues at Barca. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes back, but only once the players who were there before are gone.

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah the before and after pictures of him managing Barcelona are scary.

[–]manu4ever99 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't agree that LVG laid the foundation. On the contrary, he pretty much shacked players' attacking mindset. Possession means nothing if we just backward - we are number one team in EPL in terms of number of backward passes.

[–]Harold_Spliffington 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best defence in the league. Build from the bottom up!

[–]mink_manBellion 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Mou is successful you just know everyone will be saying LVG laid the foundations despite probably having a different set of key players, signings and a completely different style of play.

[–]Kambei1311LVG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the weirdest thing.

If any other manager in the world gets sacked - and the subsequent manager does well - they're generally considered a failure.

If Van Gaal gets sacked, he gets credit for laying foundations. It makes no sense.

In the FA Cup Final, Mata equalised following an assist from Fellaini. Nobody gives Moyes credit, do they?

[–]AJMcCoy612The Special Juan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd argue he laid the foundations in terms of recruitment, retaining players and promoting youth from the academy. He had all the ingredients he needed, he just messed up the execution.

I really can't see Mourinho making the same mistakes. Our team is currently well set up to absorb pressure, something a Mourinho team needs to do. He just needs to add the fast counter attacking aspect to it, something Martial, Memphis, Rashford etc will excel at.

[–]GrayOctopusBasti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I took the hinges and put it in the boy's hands.

[–]NaoTapar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then invite his brother wife around

[–]Spitfire221 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

  • The public announcements are expected to be made tomorrow (Tuesday), where Ed Woodward should announce the Retirement of Van Gaal and inform the media and fans that Mourinho is to take over from June 1st.

Do you mean in terms of leaving the club, or is the rumour that he will retire? Very excited about Mou but I can't help but feel sorry for Louis with how this has all gone down.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said this would be his last job when he joined us

[–]khalfrodo34 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

LVG is choosing to retire this summer the way racehorses choose to retire.

[–]danskzwag 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Post fergie I didnt think we would find a manager that hates the scouse as much as we do

[–]erfanPFellaini's Chest 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly don't get the Zlatan hype. I just pray to God we don't get him. He wont fit in PL at this age and his personality is not what we need in our team and he'll be an obstacle for our our youth development and his wages will be ridiculous. Its just gonna be another berbatov case but worse.

[–]mink_manBellion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are selfish. They want Zlatan because it's Zlatan, not because of the player he is.

[–]patthetree 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was Mendes who leaked the news to the bbc I have lost any respect I had for him (which wasn't much). LVG deserved more respect than to be treated like that.

[–]Pigeon_AssholeBlind's Sexy Hair 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've spent over £20 so far on roaming charges trying to see if it's happened yet!

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't happen until at least 12. Probably best to come back at 1pm instead.

[–]wp4815162342 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734679326763945984

Giggs just left Carrington - No word yet

[–]njpatelAnder Herrera 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cannot wait. I know it may end in tears but the ride will be worth it and, OMG, fucking Mourinho.

He's coveted this position for ages, I don't think he's going to go into this job as harsh as some of the others. He knows the English press inside-out, people at the club aren't poisonous like at Real, he's got enough money to cure world hunger, and he's sitting on the tallest throne in the land.

If he brings his A game and adds a bit of class in his dealings, he'll have everyone related to MUFC eating out the palms of his hands.

[–]babsk988The Special One 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So who's on designated f5 duty for United's official twitter then?

[–]parton90Scholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope there's some truth behind these transfer rumours that have come out.

[–]fergieschewinggumHe hates scousers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit stream link for this thread

[–]TopsyKret5Van Persie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/458508081039962112

this was the time of the announcement of moyes sacking

[–]opdjasinMartial 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anyone knows anything about LMA lawyer? He just arrived at Carrington. https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734667338281328640

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

League Managers Association. Basically the Union for Managers. Not unusual for them to show up after a season as they usually ensure bonus payments are organised and met, but they can do that anytime. Him arriving today could be a heavy indicator that we're now pushing through a compensation package.

[–]Pint_Of_BitterIrwin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same QC that dealt with the Moyes departure and contract termination too.

[–]Apocalypse37APOCALYPSE 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The foundation has been laid, the blueprint is ready. JM's gonna build a fortress that hopefully, shall not crumble!

[–]TIDZ3Rash-Daddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is Jorge pronounced Hor-hay or George?

[–]jorgelucas7Memphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since he's of Portuguese language the "J" is more bent to "Jay" than to "Hay". So I'd say it's "George".

[–]metalspikeMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always thought it was Jor-jay. But I guess that ain't right…

[–]TIDZ3Rash-Daddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha same George Mendes sounds weird now

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hor-gay

[–]mink_manBellion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giggsy has just left carrington

https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734679326763945984

[–]HunkOfLoveValencia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What will happen to Giggs?

[–]Lap_Ras 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho furious with the Mendes leak?

Leaked by Mendes???

[–]labtecozaDeutscher Fußballmeister 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will probably work out exactly like this with a shit ton of speculation and transfer rumours to come. We will probably be linked heavily with every Mendes client and everyone who has worked with Mourinho in the past

[–]khalfrodo34 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As if we haven't been linked with all of them since December.

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Supposedly Wayne Rooney is the source of yesterday's articles about LVG, emails and all.

[–]welbzyThe Ghost of Welbeck 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rooney knows how to use email?

[–]khalfrodo34 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find that hard to believe.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? According to who?

[–]yiyiyiyiHerrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Red Issue have gone big on it, a few decent United fans on my twitter feed saying it too.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. I hope not. Especially after he's come out and said its wrong to talk about.

[–]the_cunt_muncher -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If all these reports of Giggs being butthurt about being passed over for the job and him threatening to leave are true then he can fuck off. He's not entitled the job when he's never managed a team ever.

[–]MartianGeneral -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope Jose is a changed man when he takes over this job. I don't want to see any disgraceful stuff from him, but something tells me we'll be seeing that in plenty.
Oh, and please don't park the bus at Old Trafford, have some shame.