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The federal government has awarded the University of Michigan (UM) a grant of over $500,000 to conduct research on the effect of 'microaggressions' on women in the engineering fields. (campusreform.org)

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[–]improperlycited 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't understand why you are posting this here.

[–]Trynottobeacunt[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Did you see the part where it says they spent

$500,000 to conduct research on the effect of 'microaggressions'

?

http://www.microaggressions.com/

This is the result of your lack of revision on this subject and your support for these idiots behind it http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/22/a-school-has-banned-playtime-whistles-to-protect-children-5898298/?ito=twitter

[–]necius 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

Dismissing an area of study by putting it in scare-quotes doesn't prove anything. If you want to claim that it's not a legitimate field of study, that's fine, but let's see some arguments backed up peer-reviewed literature. Otherwise, what you're doing is not skepticism, it's dogma wrapped in a pseudo-scientific veneer.

[–]Trynottobeacunt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think that 'microaggressions' are an area of study?...

This is not the subreddit for you.

Do you understand how fucking mental this is? http://www.microaggressions.com/

[–]Skripka -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because saying "microaggressions" sounds much more professional and intellectual than simply coming out and saying what you're actually doing ... "We're blowing $500,000USD to study why some people in engineering are @$$holes, and @$$holes to women specifically".

[–]necius 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why is studying that a bad thing? If that research can be used to help reduce the culture of assholery then we'll end up with more and better qualified people doing the work, who would have otherwise been put off by the assholes, which is not only good for women, it's good for society as a whole.

[–]Skripka -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

The thing is. It won't "cure" anyone of anything.

The very term "microaggression" gets derision, because it is damned funny...the more so because proponents bandy it about as though using it makes their position worthy of being taken seriously. People are jerks. Everyone knows it. Get over it. People always have been. Especially when they feel underpaid and overworked and no gratitude from their employer-which is statistically speaking 95% of people since the 1970s (seriously, those are the employee happiness and compensation stats, most people have not seen a raise since the 1970s). Spending $500,000USD to "study" it won't solve anything. As someone who does research, I wish I could get a grant for $500,000USD to sit on my @$$ and wax poetic about why people are mean at the workplace.

It won't get more better qualified people doing the work. People that get hired are the ones that manage to make it passed Human Resources out of the 500+ resumes submitted, and those are not necessarily at all the best at what they do. Further, in the economy we are in, if you have a job you keep it because jobs that pay the bills are few and far between even if your co-irkers are jerks and the cast of The Office.

[–]following_my_heart -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

People are jerks. Everyone knows it. Get over it. People always have been

There is a difference between 'people are jerks' and microaggressions against women. If people were just jerks evenly, to everyone, that would just be deplorable.

That isn't what is happening. What is actually going on is women are at the receiving end of a far disproportionate number of 'acts of jerkness'.

And it results in them leaving STEM fields in far disproportionate numbers. It is blowing huge holes in the STEM pipeline - specifically for women. At every stage of the pipeline. From primary school through graduate school.

It matters. If you want an educated, talented, STEM workforce, you don't want people blowing arbitrary holes in the pipeline. It is fucking expensive (and simply wrong).

The way you start fixing a problem like this is by studying it. You find how, why, when, by whom, and in what specific ways women are being actively discouraged from working in STEM fields.

And then you start patching the holes in the leaky pipeline.

[–]Skripka 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually...people tend do tend to be jerks to everyone....but some listening take it much more personally than others.

Further most people in the USA, statistically speaking, DO NOT gain employment in their degree-field-of-study. And yes college is horrendously expensive, as someone with graduate degrees believe me I know. But STEM is not unique in people getting degrees and leaving the field....that is perfectly normal and par for the US education course.

People are hot for pushing higher percentages of STEM degrees...but oblivious to the fact there simply aren't that many STEM jobs. Every calendar year there are approximately 4,000,000 new college graduates of all stripes (associate through doctoral, or otherwise terminal degree, in all fields). Every year there are not 4,000,000 new jobs. Increase the number of STEM graduates, and you'd just increase the number of people seeking employment outside their field of study.

[–]TheBlackCat13 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually...people tend do tend to be jerks to everyone....but some listening take it much more personally than others.

And by "some", I take it you mean "women", since their treatment is the issue we are talking about here.

[–]Skripka 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. I said "some" and mean it. Some people are thin skinned, many are not. Hence "some". There are guys and gals at every workplace that cannot take a quip or an off color joke and turn it into a Code Red issue worthy of meetings. I've met and had to work with both. I've gotten on with life. Likewise, there are many skilled professionals in many areas across gender that have a dry sense of humor and need it to survive another day of office drama.

It seems ironic that you seem to have such a low opinion of women that your position is that only women must take offense at any remark. Tell me, why is it your view that only women are such that that they alone must necessarily always be the ones taking offense? Please. Do. Go. On. Your clever attempt to cast me as the sexist one is backfiring. No that one isn't a microaggression or trigger, that is an observation.

[–]ManicParroT -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It costs a bunch of money to train engineers. If women engineers are dropping out at increased rates because people are being unusually dickish to them then that's something worth knowing about. Even a 2% difference is an awful lot of people..

You don't even need a financial incentive to make the case for studying this, but if you want one there's a very good one right there.

[–]necius 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

If this research helps to increase productivity in engineering even a fraction of a percent, it will pay for itself many times over.

[–]Maurynna368 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a female engineer who DOES experience stuff like this (and I know I'm not the only one) I am very interested to see the results of this study.

I've had interactions with people where they were intentionally being sexist and some where I don't think the intent was to come off as such but it does and results in misunderstanding. I think more understanding of those second class of interactions would go a long way to help both men and women in the workplace.

[–]Account000_0 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

It won't. It's just going to employ a few pseudo-social scientists for a year or two, they'll write their paper, and then no one will read it.

[–]Skripka 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then it will get cited on Morning Joe and Fox and Friends once....and never peer-reviewed.

[–]TheBlackCat13 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's just going to employ a few pseudo-social scientists for a year or two, they'll write their paper, and then no one will read it.

And you conclude they are "pseudo-social scientists" based on what criteria?

[–]redwhiskeredbubul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really think it would be useful to have some remedial STS or history of science education across the board in the curriculum to show why this stuff is important. Look at Rosalind Franklin, for example. On the one hand, it's annoying when people can't conceive that social structures influence lab work. On the other hand, if no effort is made to educate people about the fact that it happens, you can hardly blame the putative subjects of the research for feeling baffled and alienated.

[–]Trynottobeacunt[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also this school looks like it wishes to end 'microaggressions'... http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/22/a-school-has-banned-playtime-whistles-to-protect-children-5898298/?ito=twitter

[–]gunfupanda 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm torn between up voting because it's interesting and down voting because OP is a douche.

[–]Account000_0 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Imagine what that $500,000 could have been used for. There are so many smart young women out there actually studying engineering who have amazing ideas.

Cancel this useless "microaggression" research. And divide that $500,000 on 3-5 engineering graduates to spend pursuing cool engineering projects that can actually produce tangible and useful results.

[–]TheBlackCat13 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

How many of promising students end up quitting the field because of problems that this research is going to address? I guarantee you it is more than 3-5.

[–]Skripka 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

If people being jerks in the workplace dissuade them...then they are seriously not ready for the world to chew them up and spit them out. Microaggressions are a joke. A terribly funny joke.

Real life ain't positive sunshine and rainbows and unicorns. Kids need to stop being so damned sheltered, and grow up.

[–]TheBlackCat13 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am sure it seems like a joke to you, you don't have to deal with it every day. It is easy to lecture people from the sidelines.

[–]Skripka 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh contraire. At work we have mandated Title IX Sensitivity Training and now "microagression" talks every year now.

Why?

Because now no one is allowed personality or snark or sarcasm or gallows humor for fear of offending the Unique Fragile Delicate Snowflakes that expect the world to bow down to them graduating from college now. Crap like "microaggression" is why millennials as an entire generation are laughed at by employers.

Of course, now I have to repent because I probably committed 15 microaggressions in the above posting and caused 500 strangers on the internet to experience triggering memories that ruined their lives permanently. I should probably go and have myself a drink, but that would probably be a triggering microaggressive act too worthy of being reported to the Emotive Thought Police.

[–]TheBlackCat13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

contraire. At work we have mandated Title IX Sensitivity Training and now "microagression" talks every year now.

Of course, because going to a talk is exactly like living through it every day.

Crap like "microaggression" is why millennials as an entire generation are laughed at by employers.

Oh please, this didn't start with millenials. It has been a problem all along. It is just that now people are actually trying to do something about it.

[–]Swampfoot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

At work we have mandated Title IX Sensitivity Training and now "microagression" talks every year now.

Seems your outfit needs to up your dosage of those talks.

[–]Maurynna368 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if they don't quit the field entirely, they will quit jobs and move to another company (been there, done that). This information could be used to help address employee retention problems.