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Holy fuck /r/conservative (self.circlebroke)

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IDK why but I decided to start checking out /r/conservative a few months ago. I'm not conservative, but it was kind of funny seeing people who were reject Donald Trump so adamantly. Once Cruz dropped out, I knew it was only a matter of time before the place went full "MAGA" and a quick look on the front page of that sub should show that.

Let's take this post:

Rapper threatens to kill Donald Trump if he takes away his mom's food stamps

The video is about a kid basically ranting about Trump and how he's scared for his mom's welfare under a Trump presidency. It is a ramble and the kid is black so you can guess what the comments will be like. Let's take a look, shall we?

How is this guy a rapper? Because he blabs some profanity and says "nigga" a lot? [2nd comment from top]

White people saying the n word. Great. Anyway I took the liberty of finding this guy's stuff. IDK about the users of /r/conservative but this looks like rapping to me. Let's look at the replies.

[Quoting parent] How is this guy a rapper? Because he blabs some profanity and says "nigga" a lot?

For anyone who didn't click on the image, it's a picture of lil' wayne with a quote that says "good thing nigga rhymes with nigga or this rap shit would be hard." I'm not going to bother explaining why white conservative people talking about hip hop culture using (false) internet memes with the n-word in them is bad. A couple more replies of the same level later and:

No, he's a rapper because he produces rap music. Read the video description

Oh good someone who reads in the sub. Downvoted, mind you, but at least someone. What is the response to that?

Produces crap music.

Valuable discussion and excellent insightful humor. Moving on.

If he was a better rapper he could afford to get his mother OFF food stamps. But those gold chains aren't exactly cheap, ya dig?

God, hasn't he just tried to rap better? Also, "ya dig?" from someone who definitely should not be typing that. Onwards.

How about his mom gets a job? Someone should kill this waste.

Emphasis mine. Ignoring the fact that he literally just said that somebody should go kill this kid, he decides that his mom should get a job, unaware if she already does or not or anything about him or the woman.

Do you really think someone who produced this kid can hold down a job?

Do you mean she wouldn't be able to have a job because she clearly spent all her time educating her highly intelligent son?

I mean someone has to do it. Definitely not the dad doing anything.

A shithole of racist stereotypes and circlejerking devolves to this. Nothing about killing a kid though, let's look at the reply that is below comment-vote-score threshold.

Ah, conservatism at its finest. Really great people....

Well, I mean, compared to that douche in the video...yeah.

[Downvotes] So, just so we're clear, because of his demeanor in the video, the kid deserves to die? That's an appropriate, rational response?

If he's not willing to work to feed himself and provide a life for himself, then yes.

Emphasis mine again. Just a few more comments to rap this up, I think.

Excuse me? I couldn't understand a word you said. Does mumbling incoherently count as s terroristic threat?

Stupid blacks, speak english please.

I endured about three seconds of this asswit's voice before quitting.

I only understood about 50% of what this guy was saying.

Stereotypes: the youtube video

I can't even have a final rant about this topic. I recommend not checking out /r/conservative unless you want to see a cesspool of people jerking off to how transgender feels don't real and abortions should basically call for the death sentence.

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    [–]v12a12[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't you mean crapper?

    [–]BrunchBoi 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That guys music is jammy as fuck. Thanks for the new music!

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    [–]xavierdc 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Careful OP, this sub is filled with smug /r/Conservative subscribers.

    [–]GaroldWilsonSnailJr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Checking in. But I haven't been there much lately since I'm trying to pretend this depressing election cycle and politics in general don't exist and that I'm actually in a magical land of rainbows, fairies, and unicorns!

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Not so much anymore, really. I'd say there's way more socialists here than conservatives.

    [–]v12a12[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Realize that being capitalist is not being conservative.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    That's true, I didn't imply otherwise. Although capitalism is often intertwined with reactionary mindsets, often unwittingly, many liberals do believe in social justice and all.

    [–]v12a12[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Again, you can be liberal and capitalist.

    [–]SallyMason 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not like contemporary American "liberal" and "conservative." He means "liberal" in the antiquated 18th century philosophical sense. People who believe they are entitled to rights such as personal freedom and property ownership. People who support interpersonal commerce and democracy.

    As opposed to Marxists and communists.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mhm... That's what I said. Liberalism implies capitalism, anyways.

    [–]StumbleOn 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

    unaware if she already does or not or anything about him or the woman.

    That one bothers me most, really.

    The majority of people on food stamps, or any sort of assistance, are working. Some of them are working full time. 40 hours per week. FULL TIME. FULL. TIME. And yet because wages are so fucking wrong in this country and shit like housing eats up so much of our resources we need to turn to the government for help.

    Someone is on food stamps? I blame things like WalMart, Apple, Amazon, IBM, CitiGroup, Fannie Mae, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. I rarely blame the person, because for every one person obviously cheating the system there are a thousand people behind them desperately trying to work to provide for themselves.

    [–]learntouseapostrophe 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "ya dig?"

    I lost it.

    If he's not willing to work to feed himself and provide a life for himself, then yes.

    because being a musician isn't work?

    america is fucking scary.

    [–]trainfanyay 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Dang fool should have pursued a STEM career!

    [–]Dis_Illusion 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I tried subscribing to /r/conservative a while back to get an opposing viewpoint from /r/politics. I got banned in about a month.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

    /r/politics is pretty reactionary anyways.

    [–]NotSquareGarden 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It was better when everyone agreed that Bush was a big doo doo head. Lots of conspiracy theories, but better than what there is now.

    [–]Tolni 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's a really odd mix between Bernie supporters and /r/The_Donald subscribers.

    Like Reddit, I guess, but smaller and willing to quote luminaries such as TYT, RT and, believe it or not, NK news aggregators.

    [–]Benthetraveler 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    What I really find odd is the fact that even though reddit is this large there doesn't seem to be a place for moderate conservatives. I wonder why that is? Maybe age?

    [–]xavierdc 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    /r/Circlebroke?

    [–]GaroldWilsonSnailJr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This sub is pretty dang liberal...

    [–]Joeygforce 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Moderate viewpoints still exist?

    [–]v12a12[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly those are moderates at this point. What the GOP is right now makes people have to become more extreme. Others can try their luck at shifting to dem this election cycle and hang out at /r/politicaldiscussion or a candidate sub or something.

    [–]Andyk123 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've wondered that too. I think it's the nature of the upvote/downvote system that makes it really difficult to have a moderate forum. One extreme side will eventually overwhelm all the others and shut down discussion unless you have incredibly active moderators.

    Even /r/moderatepolitics became an S4P sub for a while. /r/neutralpolitics does a good job at not being a circlejerk, but they have the most strict moderation of probably any sub on Reddit.

    [–]Tolni 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/PoliticalDiscussion is pretty nice, although once or twice I saw them cheering for Gary Johnson but this being Reddit, it can't be really helped.

    [–]Beejsterb 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Wow. That sub went Cruz to Trump real quick.

    [–]GaroldWilsonSnailJr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    One of the top mods who was a big pro-Cruz/anti-Trump guy recently announced he wouldn't be participating much for awhile. Partially out of frustration and partially due to a new job or something. He was also one of the non-ban happy mods as well so I'm sure the sub is rapidly on the downfall.

    [–]skeltalsorcerer 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yup. Pretty disappointing to see that fans of someone relatively principled have gone to a dangerous fascist lacking any principles.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Calling Cruz principled is a little bit far

    [–]deathuntoourenemies 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's principled, you just don't like his principles.

    [–]skeltalsorcerer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't think so. On some issues he was nuts but he at least actually supported those positions.

    [–]BucksnBengals 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most of the Cruz supporters that were super hardcore are on the NeverTrump train. And the NeverTrump mods have all left for a variety of reasons so now pretty much every mod is pro-Trump.

    [–]v12a12[S] 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Only change that they have ever experienced.

    [–]table_fireplace 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wow, I think we've found the source from which all Facebook memes flow!

    [–]v12a12[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's the other way around.

    [–]Tastygroove 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's a amazing how the minions of conservatism work agast their own common good. I think it boils down to perfection of grapes and cucumbers. "They" eat cap'n crunch for free but I have to skave for 40 hours for malt-o-meal brand. They've got Mountain Dew I've got sams choice WTF. So the monkies rattle their cage. It's primate nature.

    Edit: perception not perfection. Double edit Jesus Christ slave not skave... I should actually read what I write once in a while.

    [–]Andyk123 85ポイント86ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I wonder if Ted Nugent would get away with making a death threat against Obama like this...

    Uhh, he did that a loooong time ago. Not only did he "get away with it", he was applauded

    [–]TempleOwl17 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ted Nugent has done so like 2 or 3 times iirc.

    [–]aruraljuror 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

    preposterous, what are you going to suggest next, that there's no war on Christmas? that straight white cis dudes aren't persecuted? come on now

    [–]lazydictionary 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I once tried to have political discussions there back in 2012. It's just filled with old people Facebook style opinions, and people submitting some just awful content from awful sources.

    At least they aren't on /r/all often, unlike TD.

    [–]ModerateConspiracy 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Holy shit that guy's got flow. Anyone know where I can pick up an album?

    [–]L1eutenantDan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    but he doesn't speak in MY vernacular, he must be an idiot and his music must be horrible!

    [–]watho 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He only appears to have 2 singles out. Definitely worth keeping an eye on though.

    [–]Siriann 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was thinking the same thing, lol. He's got a couple tracks on Spotify including this one (search for Maine Musik). But I don't think he's put out an album yet.

    [–]skeltalsorcerer 16ポイント17ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Only a month or so ago and it was anti-Trump. It was also more moderate - I had a reasonable conversation about transgender rights a while back.

    [–]500000000000 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I made a self post titled "Can Muslims be conservative?" Banned immediately lmao

    [–]v12a12[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

    If you take a look at my profile, I'm having a debate with multiple people who believe that trans people are all in the feeeeeellllsssss.

    [–]aiesa 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I'll often argue trans issues with ignorant liberals but honestly with the "Maintaining Social Orders From Ye Olde Days Is Good And Necessary" types I don't bother wasting my time. Hopefully they'll have an epiphany at some point...

    It's just too exhausting. :(

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    This is why I just post Stalin memes in response to Donalderinos. There's no reaching them.

    [–]chris-bro-chill 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Increasing civil rights often leads to smaller govt, so they should support it.

    [–]skeltalsorcerer 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Well... kinda but it should be remembered that for the most part the arguments against come from ignorance, not necessarily hate. It strikes me as strange however that people have forgotten about gay marriage and seem to now oppose trans rights more than they opposed gay marriage - I doubt many mainstream politicians were calling gay people mentally ill.

    [–]IBYMBYBMYL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe not in the last 15-20 years, but before then, I wouldn't be surprised if there were plenty of mainstream politicians that called gay people mentally ill. I just hope it doesn't take 30+ years to get basic human rights for us like it did with gay people.

    [–]lunetron 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It may not have happened quite as often, but some mainstream politicians did indeed use such rhetoric around 2004. As well as a lot of talk about same sex marriage undermining the family, society, etc. The sheer level of nastiness was frightening. LGBT people were being portrayed as a threat to America more broadly.

    [–]skeltalsorcerer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Still, it seems bizarre how fast reactionaries are jumping from issue to issue so quickly.

    [–]meikyoushisui 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's because they lose almost every culture battle, ultimately. When they recognize a fight is lost, they move on to the next losing battle.

    [–]lunetron 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I guess it happens when people are driven purely by emotion. Their fixation is one whatever happens to outrage them the most at a given time.

    [–]BucksnBengals 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I highly recommend some /r/shitrconservativesays.

    And yes, now that it's basically the_Donaldlite with the occasional NeverTrumps who get routinely down voted and harassed the 14 year old mod Chabbie is having a glorious time. It's basically forwardsfromgrandma, lewronggeneration, and the occasional dank 4chan meme rolled up into one. Also lots of clickbait and random shit about Islam, SJW's, etc.

    [–]nate077 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They banned me because they thought I was a 'libshit.' Would recommend.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's a conservative self-criticism sub, like criticizing /r/conservative from the right of center.

    [–]nate077 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And all I ever did was argue that, as a point of fact, Corey Lewandowski grabbed Michelle Fields. That and I was mean to the mod.

    [–]lunetron 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's basically forwardsfromgrandma, lewronggeneration, and the occasional dank 4chan meme rolled up into one. Also lots of clickbait and random shit about Islam, SJW's, etc.

    I'm not at all surprised that lewronggeneration type sentiments are being found there. That place always felt pretty reactionary, albeit in a slightly non-political way.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 97ポイント98ポイント  (36子コメント)

    kill this waste

    Uh... TIL "individual liberty" includes killing poor black children.

    And I still find it funny that conservative bans you for bringing up the Southern Strategy.

    [–]balanceofpower 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But let's remember one thing: Liberals are the real racists! /s

    [–]lunetron 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Haven't you heard? The southern strategy don't real! Any red blooded internet right-winger will remind you that conservatives have NEVER been racist, blacks fought for the south in the civil war, and the democrats are the REAL racists because the Republicans are the party of Lincoln and all that jazz.

    Yep. The fact that people seriously make those arguments is dismaying, to say the least.

    [–]ALoudMouthBaby 34ポイント35ポイント  (30子コメント)

    Uh... TIL "individual liberty" includes killing poor black children.

    Oh come on, stop acting surprised. With this particular group of people this has basically become a series of dog whistles. You post in ELS enough to be well aware of this.

    [–]Silvercork 5ポイント6ポイント  (29子コメント)

    ELS?

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 12ポイント13ポイント  (28子コメント)

    /r/enoughlibertarianspam

    I don't often peruse it anymore because the mods came out and purged all the socialists a while back.

    [–]Whack-aTroll 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ELS definitely has plenty of socialists, it's certainly not a hardcore left wing sub like /r/anarchism or /r/socialism or /r/communism but it certainly has its share of the left.

    [–]Nurglings 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Not all the socialists, just tankies and the assholes who kept posting about how social democrats were the same as libertarians.

    [–]aruraljuror 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

    social democrats were the same as libertarians

    that's ridiculous

    libertarians didn't kill Rosa Luxemburg

    [–]Nurglings 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Shit like this is a good example of why the ELS mods had to do something.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I mean I'm pretty sure he was joking, X killed Rosa is a meme. Socialists are kind of de facto allied with liberals a lot of the time, for better or for worse.

    [–]aruraljuror 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I mean I'm pretty sure he was joking

    sometimes I'm not even sure myself tbh comrade

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same. Sometimes I find myself waking up after a night of drinking only to discover myself wearing a ushanka and a Che shirt.

    [–]Nurglings 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Sure, the problem was ELS was constantly getting linked to by places like /r/shitliberalssay and the people brigading weren't joking. Even the mod post you linked in this thread was a clear example of SLS doing their usual shit thing.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The ELS mods were being quite shitty as well, tbh. Human nature? Seriously? Their arguments were logically incoherent, and they had clear double standards.

    [–]Silvercork 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah, I drop by that sub occasionally

    [–]denreyc 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't they just respect the right to life over there? Lol.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Only until you're out of the womb.

    [–]DramaticFinger 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This doesn't surprise me at all. That sub offered such a warped, stunted perspective on life and attempted to pass it off as legitimate political thought waaay before the orange one reared his ugly head. I always tag its users as "potatoes" because that place has always been the lowest of low-hanging fruits.

    [–]RufusSG 93ポイント94ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Produces crap music.

    Is this /r/conservative or /r/lewronggeneration?

    [–]paradoxasauruser 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Especially with that meme, Weezy has detractors for plenty of valid reasons but if you reference that I know you have absolutely no idea what good hip hop is, have never listened to Lil Wayne, and are a cock.

    [–]aruraljuror 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    say what you want about contemporary Weezy, but from 2004-2009, Lil' Wayne was hip-hop. the amount of features he killed was mind-boggling. plus, in my mind anyone who released Dedication 2, Drought 3, and the first two Carters gets a lifetime pass.

    [–]simple_mick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Honestly the only people who shit on Wayne were the ones in diapers when the Carter III dropped.

    [–]paradoxasauruser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah dude Tha Carter III is GOOD hip hop

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The_donald would be /r/ledootgeneration. You've been spooked by a centipede! Upwallbuild to trigger SJWs!

    [–]gumbos 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Old person question here - can someone explain the word 'doot' to me? Why do people post things like 'doot doot' with no other text?

    [–]jeffs_bogus 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Hey now, don't soil mr skeltals good name. /r/ledootgeneration isn't a racist, sexist cesspool. All skeltals are equal!

    [–]ThereIsNoSantaClaus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I actually remember after FPH got banned people were trying to grandstand in that sub of all places by posting pics of overweight people's x-rays and making jokes about it.

    [–]jbeast33 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thank mr skeltal

    [–]denreyc 56ポイント57ポイント  (1子コメント)

    [le shower thoughts: the smug edition]

    Conservatism is the /r/lewronggeneration of music expanded to all of life.

    [–]halvin_and_cobbes 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ronald Reagan = Queen

    Obama = Kanye

    [–]-eagle73 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy fuck or... HOLY CUCK?

    Not sure if that's a word they use over there.

    [–]thrownawayagain5689 113ポイント114ポイント  (36子コメント)

    Wow, seems like /r/conservative really has gone off the deep end, wishing death on any black people who might have different opinions or worse, have the temerity to inconvenience them.

    [–]Fuxx 98ポイント99ポイント  (35子コメント)

    The /r/conservative mods are literally teenagers. I remember drama where people found out one of their mods was no older than 14. They moderate like that aswell.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 29ポイント30ポイント  (34子コメント)

    If the media is to be believed all the young 'uns are becoming super liberal. I haven't seen it, but apparently it's there.

    [–]swagnarok69 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (19子コメント)

    You haven't gotten to college yet. You'll see it soon.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa -1ポイント0ポイント  (18子コメント)

    I'm a high schooler who takes half my classes at a local college I would've seen it already

    [–]swagnarok69 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (17子コメント)

    When you go full time (as I assume you will as you're likely some sort of middle class) you'll understand. My GF did what you're doing but was still amazed by the liberalism of full time college.

    [–]pink_gabriel 7ポイント8ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I agree that colleges can have liberal areas of study, but disagree with the notion that young people at universities are especially liberal.

    The full claim in the context of this conversation is usually, "Young people are becoming more liberal than their parents." I think that's probably true, but it's not really a high bar; wanting weed legalized and supporting gay marriage are common positions among young people, but they do not a full liberal attitude make. I think that's one of the reasons we make fun of "brogressives" so much on this sub. That's lots of these young people, right there: one or two added liberal attitudes, but otherwise generally whatever their parents are.

    My university has a liberal slant on its classes, but the students themselves are a mixed bag.

    [–]chris-bro-chill 61ポイント62ポイント  (13子コメント)

    The polls usually only account for 18-24, which are becoming liberal.

    When they are still at home with conservative parents, they just believe what their parents say.

    [–]shinyhappypanda 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

    That's what happened to me. I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh in the afternoons and reading his books because that's what my mom listened to and read. Around the end of high school/ beginning of college, my beliefs and opinions took a sharp 180 degree turn.

    [–]chris-bro-chill 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I didn't do a total flip, but I definitely shifted to the left hard after going to a big college in a bigger city.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I know you've talked about supporting Kasich before. Would you characterize yourself as left of center?

    [–]chris-bro-chill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That being said, my lack of support for the candidates on the left lrgely comes from the fact that I struggle to trust Clinton, and Sanders needs a straight up complete re-do of the economy for his socialist-lite policies to make any sense.

    I am merely just trying to work with the capitalist system in place, and Bernie is too idealistic with how his policies would fit into our current economic system.

    [–]chris-bro-chill 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Depends on the issue. I work for a social enterprise that employs folks returning from prison (which includes my wife's business line that employs victims of human trafficking), so I am pro-small business while being passionate about social justice because I believe social enterprise is the only way to make capitalism not horrible.

    Kasich embodied a somewhat nuanced approach to recidivism, human trafficking, and addiction in Ohio, while also supporting small businesses, so it worked for what I care most about.

    Plus, I'm fairly certain he was the only politician not merely paying lip service to God (cough TED cough), and as an evangelical, that meant a lot to me.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How do you feel about worker ownership in the economy? Like co-ops? Would you support market socialism?

    [–]chris-bro-chill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It always seemed like an oxymoron to me...I'm not sure I know enough on the subject to have an opinion.

    My degree is in public policy/nonprofit management, so my economics study was 100% in liberal economics.

    [–]aiesa 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Have you seen any polls that account for specific issues? I wanna have reassurance that the limit isn't "doesn't think the gays should be sent to concentration camps and thinks weed and internet porn should be legal".

    [–]chris-bro-chill 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    My background is policy, not sociology, so I would be interested to see that as well.

    [–]aiesa 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh, I saw this on a political sub: A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows, except that headline is frankly nonsense, though I suppose it does include some vaguely interesting statistics about the culture of political views in the USA, and of course the natural response to this phenomenon is to use different words.

    The part that surprised me was the Pew Research link which claims that Occupy Wall Street supporters were not particularly critical of capitalism, as I'm sure the movement was started by and largely organised by anarchists?

    [–]chris-bro-chill 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

    When I ask people to define capitalism or socialism, folks on both sides usually give really bad answers, so we need better ways to gauge support for either one

    [–]OffColorCommentary 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You could ask people to define each term and then ask what their opinions on the things they defined are. Then bucket their definitions by the common themes in responses - I expect "capitalism" is usually the free market, entrepreneurship, or consumerism.

    Lots of interesting things you can do with that data, when you're done facepalming.

    [–]Minn-ee-sottaa 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd ask "what is your opinion on private ownership of factories and business and exchange in an open market versus collective ownership of the property with similarly free exchange?"