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Scope of "The Red Pill" (self.marriedredpill)

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The Red Pill Matrix analogy pertains to the awakening to the true nature of women and the state of gender relations today . If this is a new concept, read up.

If we limit "The Red Pill" to this "awakening" there are several competing groups within this rubric.

One becomes a member of one of these groups only after you have taken The Red Pill. Before that you can be clueless, Bluepill, Mangina, Pussy, cuck, or a fem but those categories are beyond the scope of this post for me to define. Perhaps a future diagram.

For this post, I want to identify the "types" of Red Pill and provide A HANDY AND COLORFUL VISUAL AID AND MODEL to further the understanding of Red Pill.

The rest of this post is based on the linked model that I propose so take a peak.

The first group, and the only group I identify as fully within the scope of "The Red Pill" are the MGTOW's. Note the slight overlap with a few MGTOW's perhaps not within the Red Pill (probably because they are morons) but for the most part they are well within the praexology (or else why would they consciously decide to go MGTOW?). In fact, Men Going There Own Way will tell you that the only reasonable response to unplugging and taking the Red Pill is to swear off trying to have any LTR with a woman. Some will tell you the proper response to The Red Pill is to go full "Prepper" and move to your solar powered cabin in the woods.

Next are the Pickup Artists. Note a couple things about the model:

--Part of the PUA circle falls outside of the scope of Red Pill. Some PUA's have NOT taken the Red Pill. They may be dedicated to picking up women but they have not accepted the true nature of women and their methods and success probably depend on inherently attractive qualities they have (i.e. they are probably good looking to begin with so they have not been forced to take the pill).

--The PUA circle overlaps both MGTOW (that is, some MGTOW's study PUA for short term relationships) and it also overlaps MRP (that is, some Merps study PUA when they get to that level of Dread).

The 3rd group I identify within the circle of Red Pill is Married Red Pill. Note again how this circle also includes a portion that falls outside the Red Pill and I would include "both" of you "pro-marriage" evangelists in this group. A few other types of Merps would also not be "Red Pill" such as the tourists, the men who eschew self-improvement, and the 99.99% of married guys in this world right now. It would also include the blog (though certainly not the books) of Athol Kay (May Peace Be Upon Him).

The final group which I could not figure out how to depict are the so called "Red Pill Women." I have a sneaking suspicion that ALL women are "Red Pill" that is ALL women have the knowledge about the true nature of women and all appear to conspire to cover it up. Interesting.

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[–]MRPguyMarried 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regarding the visual, I think a much greater portion of the MGTOW should be outside of the "red pill" circle. Sure, some have probably swallowed the pill, but I think a large part of them are simply attempting to obtain repentance from women for the atrocities that women have committed against them in the past.

That's not red pill at all. Red pill is about improving man so we can have improved relationship with women in the future. A red pill man will engage in conversation with women. A MGTOW guy will avoid such a scenario. If he doesn't engage in conversation with a woman, and she doesn't give him the response he likes, it's just that: a response he doesn't like.

A red pill man recognizes that it's a response he doesn't deserve, and sets about improving himself.

Married red pill cannot fall outside of the the red pill, it is simply a specialized version of RP principles. [EDIT: MRP should therefore be a fractionally small circle within TRP?]

I'm a physician. A pediatrician is a physician. An anesthesiologist is a physician. There is only one of those you'd want sedating you prior to surgery. Same degrees, but different educations and methods because they have both chosen to specialize. MRP is specialized RP.

[Another edit: RP is a sexual strategy for men. Therefore, Red pill women doesn't exist in this universe, no matter how cool we think it is that they exist. Same for MGTOW. Not a sexual strategy, just a "I'm pissed at women so I'm ignoring them" strategy.]

[–]jeeohnjones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think all women consciously know about their inclinations to betafy their partner, their wishes to branch swing and upgrade, but probably have more solid thoughts about their AF/BB strategy. “marrying this nice guy to settle down and get taken care of, because I'm sick of the bad boys” is said commonly and openly enough.

There are strong Alpha women who don't want to submit to a man, or haven't found the right one, and their long term relationships aren't fully happy. They're always vaguely uneasy.

Even “just about everyone else” who starts out as the happy couple, having a lot of sex, wife being feminine and sweet, and he slowly becomes a beta over time, either with her encouragement, or without her preventing it... Are the women happy after the man has become a beta pussy?

Are they gleeful about their shut-down libido and the dad-bod? Swinging from one man to the next and making each one worse than before. Seems like a shitty strategy. Wouldn't it be in their best interests to improve the man they're with? To make him stronger so he's a better provider, to make his life easier so he can work harder, to make him happier so her sex life is better?

They're asking “where have all the good men gone?” indicating they want strong masculine men. They just have no idea how they keep fucking it up and making the men betas.

The “Red Pill Women” on the forums who are aware, are using the information to prevent their nature from making their lives shitty. Preventing themselves becoming masculine, sex-denying harpies, preventing their husbands from devolving into betas.

I don't think most women have a clue beyond their basic instincts.

Man is sexy. Do want.

Man is not sexy. Do not want.

[–]Adderallabuse -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a group of men who want "pain free" masculinity.

When I speak of painfree, I mean they don't like the parts of red pill like hypergamy, women's inability to love men as men were taught to believe they could be loved, women's absolute lack of sympathy for mens pain and burdens, lack of logic, reason and responsibility etc

Basically, all the self improvement is good but not the misogyny.

To that I say its fine to paint the garage and have dinner plans organzed but this isnt Alpha by a longshot. Before she was your wife, she fucked some broke jerkoff on a matress on the floor and she still thinks of him when her husband pounds her. The true nature of attraction (Alpha behavior) isnt fun to learn at first and this is what I meant that the real alphas in the wild don't play house cuz they are way too badass.

Dont believe it? Who do you think married women have affairs with? Usually, hubby is shocked that his woman would risk it all for that asshole (the guy who doesn't seriously offer commitment)

Never let a bitch think she is 100 percent secure. Maybe 50 to 80 percent and you got a fighting chance.

This is the line of thinking that saves mens marriages